Club Motorsport???

[83SY]

In the early stages of looking into some 'Club' motorsport, nothing to serious just good value for money fun. Had a chat with Shim regarding the Mazda MX5's. :beer:

Will keep doing the TD's in the CSL just fancy the 'thrill of the race'
Any ideas? :whistle:

[northernjim]

I reckon rallying would be good:whistle::supz:

[Bounce]

I reckon rallying would be good:whistle::supz::hahaha::hahaha:

[Yanto]

I vote ShimmyRacing.

Good pre-race fluffer service included in the drive price. Breakfast of champions. Good de-stress.













(he'll even take his dentures out first if you ask nicely !!):beer:

[thegingerninja]

Www.productiongti.com

One make championship for golf gti mk 2 - friendly, competitive and closely monitored driving standards to keep the wannabe BTCC donkeys under control. I've been with them for 2 years, cost effective close racing.

[mattCSLnut]

Www.productiongti.com

One make championship for golf gti mk 2 - friendly, competitive and closely monitored driving standards to keep the wannabe BTCC donkeys under control. I've been with them for 2 years, cost effective close racing.

:thumbs: ... and here's the perfect car to join in the FUN :smokin:

[Straightsix]

What about go karting ?

I have never done a proper track day but how do u guys drive without risking your baby ?

[shimmy]

What about go karting ?

I have never done a proper track day but how do u guys drive without risking your baby ?

always a risk.....insurance helps but not all have it and doesnt cover off all the risk

my reasoning is that if i didnt do TD in it i would prob sell it

[83SY]

Agree with Shimmy, when bought the CSL I had no intention of tracking it but now I think it's a waste if your not going too!

Karting... Too old
Rallying... Too expensive
VW Golfs....? Will do some home work
:supz:

[billyboysm3]

Id be up for some endurance racing, Shimmy how does that work and how many do you need in a team? 4-6 people?

That will be great fun.

[billyboysm3]

Shimmy Racing style:

http://www.ma5daracing.com/mk1/eventguide/2012/enduro/1.php

[still no worries]

do they still run the csl cup series ?

[83SY]

Shimmy Racing style:

http://www.ma5daracing.com/mk1/eventguide/2012/enduro/1.php


Looks awesome Bill. Need to look into this mate :thumbs:

+
FREE Driver refreshments for the 12 hour race ... BEER??? :hahaha:

[s.mac]

you will need to take your ards guys ;) if you haven't got your race license that it

[83SY]

you will need to take your ards guys ;) if you haven't got your race license that it

ards... in Somerset it your 'Oh Ards' :blalalala:

[s.mac]

Im sure Bounce will get that Sy :whistle:

[83SY]

phoned MSA today and the fact i held a International Rally licence means bugger all when it comes to circuit racing!
I had a circuit licence in 2003 but that only lasts three years if you don't renew :banghead:

[shimmy]

phoned MSA today and the fact i held a International Rally licence means bugger all when it comes to circuit racing!
I had a circuit licence in 2003 but that only lasts three years if you don't renew :banghead:

Duncan s a lovel chap.................although Jonny at BaT is the chief ARDS examination officer :hahaha:

[s.mac]

what's this Shimmy :119::119::119: is Dunc going to start racing

[shimmy]

what's this Shimmy :119::119::119: is Dunc going to start racing

Maybe I should have not said that :).....I have no idea what you are on about Steve :)

[Bounce]

Im sure Bounce will get that Sy :whistle:I don't know what your talking about:whistle:

[thegingerninja]

do they still run the csl cup series ?

Nope - was too expensive with too many classes.

Something for people to think about though - I was chatting with a guy I know through racing that he was thinking about running a race series for the E46 M3. Ethos is to make it fair and affordable. A one make series, no csl allowed, standard engine, gearbox, diff (apart from cooling), standard suspension top mounts (basically means that you can be competitive with a £2000 suspension system and if you spend £5000 on suspension it will be no real benefit), exhaust manifold must be standard, the remainder is allowed to be modified. ecu will be locked out with a specified map supplied by the race organiser and then sealed. 18 inch wheels only, you can use the same width front and back to extend tyre life by interchanging front with rears - saves money again. The one thing that needs to be tested is brakes, big brakes will be pricey. If, and it is a big if that I asked about - if the brakes can be proved to work with braided hoses, standard calipers with uprated fluid and race pads, then it should be a very cost effective way to race a fantastic car. In short, you can buy a car now for £5000, yes, it may be a cat d or an old tatty one, but who cares it's going to be raced. Another £5000 should make it race ready, so you get to the grid for £10,000 in a 343 bhp, rear wheel drive, one make series where everyone effectively has the same car.

Obviously these are rough figures, but achievable - seems like a bargain to me, I'm in if it goes ahead!!

Anyone else fancy it?

[_Nathan_]

If that had been around 3 years ago then yeah, sounds awesome, too far down another route now though.

[shimmy]

If that had been around 3 years ago then yeah, sounds awesome, too far down another route now though.

I think the idea was always a good one but Thorneys hunt for selling a/m stuff and the recession got in the way.

I think you could run it on the TrAckday Trophy/Team Trophy series to start with MSV. Allow more mods than suggested such as suspension, brakes, no aero, as any serious driver will want the car to handle better and tyres to wear slowly (maybe control tyres to take re budget and heavy exlenditure out). 40 minute races and take away the sprint, two drivers to remove some of the damage and testosterone (keeping costs down)

In this climate you'd be lucky to get 10-12 cars of this type but if by chance it looked like good racing it may take off. Other series don't like E46M3 as they are too quick.

[thegingerninja]

I think the idea was always a good one but Thorneys hunt for selling a/m stuff and the recession got in the way.

I think you could run it on the TrAckday Trophy/Team Trophy series to start with MSV. Allow more mods than suggested such as suspension, brakes, no aero, as any serious driver will want the car to handle better and tyres to wear slowly (maybe control tyres to take re budget and heavy exlenditure out). 40 minute races and take away the sprint, two drivers to remove some of the damage and testosterone (keeping costs down)

In this climate you'd be lucky to get 10-12 cars of this type but if by chance it looked like good racing it may take off. Other series don't like E46M3 as they are too quick.

Control tyre would definately be there and 40 min 2 driver races were an option aswell as sprints and endurance races. One of the main reasons for a one make series is exactly what you pointed out Shim, other race series don't like the E46 M3 as it is too quick, such a shame since it is a cracking car that is becoming quite affordable now. Disagree about allowing more mods though, cost spiral and the man with the deepest pockets wins. I'll happily race wheel barrows........as long we all have the same wheel barrow. If drivers want to modify as they go on, this not for them.

[shimmy]

Control tyre would definately be there and 40 min 2 driver races were an option aswell as sprints and endurance races. One of the main reasons for a one make series is exactly what you pointed out Shim, other race series don't like the E46 M3 as it is too quick, such a shame since it is a cracking car that is becoming quite affordable now. Disagree about allowing more mods though, cost spiral and the man with the deepest pockets wins. I'll happily race wheel barrows........as long we all have the same wheel barrow. If drivers want to modify as they go on, this not for them.

Suspension will have to be aftermarket. 90% of M3 now are 60k miles plus and the OeM suspension will be fucked. The last thing you want to do is buy new OeM suspension if you go racing, and next last thing is race or OeM suspension fucked or not as the tyres won't last esp in 40 minute races.

Tbh everybody who races would want suspension and brakes upgraded along with decent tyres. This would also mean that CSL/M3 could both run as only difference worth talking about would be a CF roof.

I'm just going in the garage to start building :) I've always wanted to enter my CSL in the TrAckday Trophy
Nice idea to have mix of 40 and 20 minute races.

[3wheels3]

I think the idea was always a good one...

Awww thanks shim :smt055 :-D

[shimmy]

Awww thanks shim :smt055 :-D

credit where credit was due.........wheelsburg did have first dibs at the idea however im not sure camels naked dancers was ever gonna pass BRSCC

[83SY]

I like the sound of the E46 M3 challenge. Is this just a thought or happening ?

[Curly]

Nope - was too expensive with too many classes.

Something for people to think about though - I was chatting with a guy I know through racing that he was thinking about running a race series for the E46 M3. Ethos is to make it fair and affordable. A one make series, no csl allowed, standard engine, gearbox, diff (apart from cooling), standard suspension top mounts (basically means that you can be competitive with a £2000 suspension system and if you spend £5000 on suspension it will be no real benefit), exhaust manifold must be standard, the remainder is allowed to be modified. ecu will be locked out with a specified map supplied by the race organiser and then sealed. 18 inch wheels only, you can use the same width front and back to extend tyre life by interchanging front with rears - saves money again. The one thing that needs to be tested is brakes, big brakes will be pricey. If, and it is a big if that I asked about - if the brakes can be proved to work with braided hoses, standard calipers with uprated fluid and race pads, then it should be a very cost effective way to race a fantastic car. In short, you can buy a car now for £5000, yes, it may be a cat d or an old tatty one, but who cares it's going to be raced. Another £5000 should make it race ready, so you get to the grid for £10,000 in a 343 bhp, rear wheel drive, one make series where everyone effectively has the same car.

Obviously these are rough figures, but achievable - seems like a bargain to me, I'm in if it goes ahead!!

Anyone else fancy it?

yeah pretty much agree with the ninja pity thorney cocked it up the first time around :whistle:myself I think you can keep things pretty simple it doesnt have to be too expensive, first of all you can use a road legal trackday tyre like the yoko ad08 which comes with 8mm of tread depth so it can be used in the dry and the wet and is approx 2 seconds a lap slower than a cup but will last 2-3times longer. So which would appeal to the road/trackday guys who dont want to buy an extra set of wheels, keep the car on standard wheels (get a set on ebay for £100) as regards suspension you need top mounts KW and Billstein do a none ajustable set for approx £1000, only upgrade the front brakes KSport do a set for approx£1000. Standard rear brakes are okay with upgraded pads, usual thing like bushes upgraded, weights 1400 kgs fuelled up and if you want to run adjustable front suspension and ap's front and rear the car has to weigh 1450 kgs, so here you go things can be run on a budget all the above is really to get guys who are doing trackdays and still race in a road legal car, two races a day both 30mins one or two drivers to keep the cost down

Here a list of entrants
Curly - Jim (purple preditor ) :smokin:

[northernjim]

yeah pretty much agree with the ninja pity thorney cocked it up the first time around :whistle:myself I think you can keep things pretty simple it doesnt have to be too expensive, first of all you can use a road legal trackday tyre like the yoko ad08 which comes with 8mm of tread depth so it can be used in the dry and the wet and is approx 2 seconds a lap slower than a cup but will last 2-3times longer. So which would appeal to the road/trackday guys who dont want to buy an extra set of wheels, keep the car on standard wheels (get a set on ebay for £100) as regards suspension you need top mounts, KW and Billstein do a none adjustable set for approx £1000, only upgrade the front brakes KSport do a set for approx£1000. Standard rear brakes are okay with upgraded pads, usual thing like bushes upgraded, weights 1400 kgs fuelled up and if you want to run adjustable front suspension and ap's front and rear the car has to weigh 1450 kgs, so here you go, things can be run on a budget all the above is really to get guys who are doing trackdays and still race in a road legal car, two races a day both 30mins one or two drivers to keep the cost down

Here a list of entrants
Curly - Jim (purple preditor ) :smokin:

team mates or competitors:whistle: just as long as there is no pedalling:notworthy: involved I could be interested

[Curly]

Not on the bike Jim :) we will try that at the ring next year;)

[thegingerninja]

Suspension will have to be aftermarket. 90% of M3 now are 60k miles plus and the OeM suspension will be fucked. The last thing you want to do is buy new OeM suspension if you go racing, and next last thing is race or OeM suspension fucked or not as the tyres won't last esp in 40 minute races.

Tbh everybody who races would want suspension and brakes upgraded along with decent tyres. This would also mean that CSL/M3 could both run as only difference worth talking about would be a CF roof.

I'm just going in the garage to start building :) I've always wanted to enter my CSL in the TrAckday Trophy
Nice idea to have mix of 40 and 20 minute races.


Sorry - I didn't explain the suspension bit enough. The only standard part is the top mounts and the wishbones. You can replace any bush with a nylon one anywhere on the car (except for the top mount), but no solid mounts. The idea of this is to make the generic £2000 suspension system as effective as a £5000 system - since there is a certain amount of "movement" in all these parts - if everything was solid mounted then a £5000 system would out perform the £2000 system and hence the guy who spends most money wins - not the ethos of this idea, and Thorney has already proved that this does not work. Dampers and springs are free and will probably be 2 or 3 way adjustable, so there is loads of scope for getting the set-up tuned. Definately be a control tyre, a treaded one which would hopefully be road legal for those who wish to keep their cars road legal and even possibly drive to the races (just depends on if it is in a fit state to drive home!!) Maybe the chance of doing some 2, 4 and 6 hour races? Just depends on costs and demand.

The main aim for this - and it was only a chat over a beer at a race meeting recently, was to give a platform for the E46 to race at sensible money. Just take a look at all the E46's out there with trick gearboxes costing thousands, massive engine upgrades, diffs, slicks, wets, aero, mega expensive suspension, pedal boxes, plastic windows, carbon fibre parts, stand alone ecu ignition systems which need a lot of dyno time to get them right etc etc etc......and in the end, people have run out of money and then can't afford to race the damn thing - so whats the point? The chap who is considering starting this series has no interest in trying to make money from this, people can buy their parts from where ever they want, so long as they are to the regulations. I'm already trawling ebay for an early M3, £5000 will definately buy a complete working car in the near future. Cage, seat, suspension, bushes, harness, wheels and tryes and away you go!

This would be a fair level playing field where the driver with the best skill and set-up knowledge will succeed. I hope this happens.

[shane@mbtech]

I'll be up for this once wedding out of the way. :beer:

[thegingerninja]

yeah pretty much agree with the ninja pity thorney cocked it up the first time around :whistle:myself I think you can keep things pretty simple it doesnt have to be too expensive, first of all you can use a road legal trackday tyre like the yoko ad08 which comes with 8mm of tread depth so it can be used in the dry and the wet and is approx 2 seconds a lap slower than a cup but will last 2-3times longer. So which would appeal to the road/trackday guys who dont want to buy an extra set of wheels, keep the car on standard wheels (get a set on ebay for £100) as regards suspension you need top mounts KW and Billstein do a none ajustable set for approx £1000, only upgrade the front brakes KSport do a set for approx£1000. Standard rear brakes are okay with upgraded pads, usual thing like bushes upgraded, weights 1400 kgs fuelled up and if you want to run adjustable front suspension and ap's front and rear the car has to weigh 1450 kgs, so here you go things can be run on a budget all the above is really to get guys who are doing trackdays and still race in a road legal car, two races a day both 30mins one or two drivers to keep the cost down

Here a list of entrants
Curly - Jim (purple preditor ) :smokin:

Your bang on the money Curly - as usual!

[_Nathan_]

in the end, people have run out of money and then can't afford to race the damn thing

Hi :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Hi :thumbs:


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


I ran out of money before i started buidling mine :-D,

[billyboysm3]

Shimmy i reckon you've got enough spare parts stashed away ready for this, all you need is the car.

[83SY]

I like the sound of this! Keep the rules simple so no scope for 'biggest wallet wins' run road tyres to keep the cost down. Would like to think cica 10k would give you a good car ready to race!

Interesting :thumbs:

[Yanto]

I'll be skint once wedding out of the way. :beer:

EFA...

[s.mac]

Lawsy, I asked about your Ards test at Oulton. I will give you a buzz tomorrow

[terryb]

In the early stages of looking into some 'Club' motorsport, nothing to serious just good value for money fun. Had a chat with Shim regarding the Mazda MX5's. :beer:

Will keep doing the TD's in the CSL just fancy the 'thrill of the race'
Any ideas? :whistle:

I raced mx5s with Shimmy Racing last year and I can guarantee that there is no closer or fun race series available and the fact that it is relatively cheap is a bonus. 58 cars on the grid at Silverstone.... :)

[shane@mbtech]

EFA...

Ill be skint long before the wedding arrives mate:banghead:

Mrs has just organised invites. HOW MUCH:moan:

[s.mac]

depends what you call cheap Terry. I didn't think I would spend half as much as I have :bigcry: and there's something that needs repairing after every meet in the XR Challenge :banghead: which just adds to the long bill :(

[shimmy]

I raced mx5s with Shimmy Racing last year and I can guarantee that there is no closer or fun race series available and the fact that it is relatively cheap is a bonus. 58 cars on the grid at Silverstone.... :)


52 max, actually was 49 only:-D but still queuing down to the COmplex

[shimmy]

Mrs has just organised invites. HOW MUCH:moan:


anybody here got there's yet?

[CraigMillwardCroft]

anybody here got there's yet?
Have you not got yours :whistle:

[DuncanR]

what's this Shimmy :119::119::119: is Dunc going to start racing

Maybe I should have not said that :).....I have no idea what you are on about Steve :)dONT TELL HIM pIKE !! FOOK CAPS

I did indeed pass my ARDS the other week-end at Bedford, medical next Monday , and then apply for Race Licence :finga:

I fancy a go at a shared car, team, endurance type gig first, possibly Paris - Dakar to start off with !:-D

[83SY]

dONT TELL HIM pIKE !! FOOK CAPS

I did indeed pass my ARDS the other week-end at Bedford, medical next Monday , and then apply for Race Licence :finga:

I fancy a go at a shared car, team, endurance type gig first, possibly Paris - Dakar to start off with !:-D

Sounds good:thumbs:

How much was your Ards test all in?

[DuncanR]

Sounds good:thumbs:

How much was your Ards test all in?Now let me see Sy ..
Purchase of tricked out CSL £23,500
First Ring trip incl JK purchase £2,000
Trailer £1,800
Further Ring trips and JK's since 2009 £6,000 min
Trackdays since 2009 £3,000
Numerous Cups £6,000
New wheels £1,000
Trolley jack £135
Helmet £6-50
Plastic tie wraps £3

I wish I hadnt just done that Sy you bastard !:119::clown:





I am unable to disclose full costs seriously mate, it was a case of fair exchange etc. ! I bought the MSA pack of course for £70, which contains your application.

[billyboysm3]

http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/go-racing.aspx

[83SY]

Now let me see Sy ..
Purchase of tricked out CSL £23,500
First Ring trip incl JK purchase £2,000
Trailer £1,800
Further Ring trips and JK's since 2009 £6,000 min
Trackdays since 2009 £3,000
Numerous Cups £6,000
New wheels £1,000
Trolley jack £135
Helmet £6-50
Plastic tie wraps £3

I wish I hadnt just done that Sy you bastard !:119::clown:



I am unable to disclose full costs seriously mate, it was a case of fair exchange etc. ! I bought the MSA pack of course for £70, which contains your application.


Would have been cheap if you hadn't have bought those Plastic tie wraps! :finga:

[83SY]

Banger racing looks cheap :smokin:

Car = £500
Licence = £25 :whistle:

Chiropractor = £10K :bigcry:

[jibber_monkey]

Seeing as it's been ages since I posted here I may as well do some shameless promotion for the series I race in. It's called the Nippon Challenge and is open to pretty much anything Japanese or Asian within the weight and power limits. Despite this the racing is close, as you can see from the video below of the opening round at Pembrey. The car that won this race is barely modified from standard running c280 Bhp, has been built and run on a very tight budget, and he still wins races. Don't you just hate some people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIkZ9mwZTVA

I should say, my car is also a Nissan 200SX, running exactly 300 Bhp and about the same amount of torque. It is far from standard and has had 6 years worth of development work on it. It's now much faster than the race above thanks to some surprisingly effective aero parts as demonstrated below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7SOvN_4srk

[e46m3c]

You guys made any decisions yet?

Im just starting to look at this. Ideally id want to split the driving / cost with my brother.

Any of you looked at superkarts? it looks mental.

Not that much info on MX5's but the youtube videos look great. especially in the wet.

I just get the impression nippon and trackday will get very expensive? Mx5 stikes me as cheap entry?

[e46m3c]

S2000 in nippon/trackday trophy might be good fun. light, open, sounds great, cheap, fast and good for trackdays outside of racing.

[shimmy]

Barry and I have a plan for 2013-2014 (money dependant)

Idea is to take a couple of races late 2013, rented cars, and maybe build mx5s for 2014 season. Jan-Mar 2014 will be winter testing.

[83SY]

I maybe up for a go at MX5's if you guys are giving it a bash! Need to do something & the thought of rubbing all the paint off your doors is appealing :blalalala:

[e46m3c]

Does anyone know the pricing and structure of the mx5 series? their website isnt really that good.

Also need to consider if there is a control tyre, do people use new every race / qualy etc.

MX5 series looks like serious racing. nippong and trackday troph looks more entry level however id imagine the costs are more.

Any other one make series? BMW compact based? S2000 or rx8 are cheap, rwd, powerful enough...

[pinkpanther008]

I maybe up for a go at MX5's if you guys are giving it a bash! Need to do something & the thought of rubbing all the paint off your doors is appealing :blalalala:

Knocking the paint off Shimmy's back doors, hang on a minute thought this was about circuit racing not extra curricular?!!:gayfight:

[shimmy]

Knocking the paint off Shimmy's back doors, hang on a minute thought this was about circuit racing not extra curricular?!!:gayfight:

fecking hell, i thought we were up for perfect weekend away!

[83SY]

fecking hell, i thought we were up for perfect weekend away!

:smt055 Here's hoping

[e46m3c]

Think MX5 ma5ad is the way to go. Anyone on here currently race in this series?

Would be mk1 for me i think.