Am I being naïve ????

[MERLIN]

Hi All,

Am I being naïve, to expect to find a CSL that has not had e.g. five, six, eight owners in eight years ??

It seems the majority of those for sale, have had lots of owners, who must have kept them for a very short time.

Is it a case of most CSL's have had lots of owners, due to people wanting to say “I’ve owned a CSL” then selling it on, or just, tracked them and move them on ??

One recent one, having done less than 20K, has had five owners ????

Just trying to find a low mileage one that has had one or two owners, preferably SB and with extended warranty.

I realise that lots of owners does not necassarily mean bad car, and a one owner could have been abused, but it would be against the norm.



Am asking the impossible, chasing rainbows ???

[shimmy]

Hi All,

Am I being naïve, to expect to find a CSL that has not had e.g. five, six, eight owners in eight years ??

It seems the majority of those for sale, have had lots of owners, who must have kept them for a very short time.

Is it a case of most CSL's have had lots of owners, due to people wanting to say “I’ve have owned a CSL” then selling it on, or just, tracked them and move them on ??

One recent one, having done less than 20K, has had five owners ????

Just trying to find a low mileage one that has had one or two owners, preferably SB and with extended warranty.

I realise that lots of owners does not necassarily mean bad car, and a one owner could have been abused, but it would be against the norm.



Am asking the impossible, chasing rainbows ???


they are out there, just be defenition those with less owners are less likely to be for sale :119:

lets not forget these cars are 11 years old nearly and an owner every two years would not be strange at all, indeed id say its average for any car.

[chrisburns]

As Shimmy says they are out there. I'm the 2nd owner on mine with less than 30k so keep looking a good one will pop up eventually.

[azrael]

Just because it has had more owners doesn't make less good.

I guess the only reason to want it is if you want to sell on with less owners. If you intend to keep it then it makes no difference, not that I think it does anyway, certainly with the CSL

[3wheels3]

You could build an arguement that when someone sells CSL it gets that extra bit of tlc and when it becomes someones new p&j gets another round of anything it desires:smt028

[MERLIN]

You could build an arguement that when someone sells CSL it gets that extra bit of tlc and when it becomes someones new p&j gets another round of anything it desires:smt028

Just because it has had more owners doesn't make less good.

I guess the only reason to want it is if you want to sell on with less owners. If you intend to keep it then it makes no difference, not that I think it does anyway, certainly with the CSL

As Shimmy says they are out there. I'm the 2nd owner on mine with less than 30k so keep looking a good one will pop up eventually.

Thanks for your comments, these are the comments I wanted, to help me understand the "mentality" of a CSL owner.

I did say "I realise that lots of owners does not necassarily mean bad car", but trying to get my head around, if they are everybodies p&j, why does nobody keep them very long ??

[Equinox]

I suppose it can take some justifying keeping a car for a long time with very little use, I can do it but people can come under financial pressure and family pressure to move these things on and be sensible.

Equinox

[Pooky]

Also depends who owned it. I'm the fourth owner, but the third one from this forum and the first owner had it a number of years. History is key.

[alexk]

they are out there, just be defenition those with less owners are less likely to be for sale :119:

lets not forget these cars are 11 years old nearly and an owner every two years would not be strange at all, indeed id say its average for any car.

shimmy they are 9 years old, soon to be 10 :finga:

[shimmy]

shimmy they are 9 years old, soon to be 10 :finga:



:beer:

[Mark CSL]

My cars owner history
1 owner 6 months
2 owner 2years
3 owner Me 2 years 2 months
4 owner my Friend 2 years 6 months
5 owner Me again

There are a few CSLs with more owners but the CSL is not for every one
the seats put a lot of people off and having 25/30k in the garage is not for every one.

When i bought my first csl owners were importent as the csl was only 2 years old at the time but if i was looking now condition service history
and warranty would be the first thing on my list.

Just my view on owners :supz:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Mine has had four owners and done 14,000 miles and the proper colour :whistle:

[Mark CSL]

Mine has had four owners and done 14,000 miles and the proper colour :whistle:


So you own the rare fast SB :whistle:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

So you own the rare fast SB :whistle:
One of the few, but it is not as clean as yours now :thumbs:

[LeinsCSL]

I'm the 3rd owner of mine, but really I wouldn't care less if I was the 10th

There's an article in BMWCar magazine this month that seems to suggest many have bought them with a view to daily driving, jumping out of the likes of an M5, but just found them too uncomfortable and sold them on quickly

As an aside, that article also criticised the seats, saying that they were the one thing on the car which potential purchasers would have to change. Personally I find them the best around for a road car, especially on longer trips

[Yanto]

Thanks for your comments, these are the comments I wanted, to help me understand the "mentality" of a CSL owner.

I did say "I realise that lots of owners does not necassarily mean bad car", but trying to get my head around, if they are everybodies p&j, why does nobody keep them very long ??

I can confirm most CSL owners are mental.

[AlexGTT]

I can confirm most CSL owners are mental.

Agreed but there are those a LOT more mental than others................not pointing fingers though.:wink:

[Bounce]

Agreed but there are those a LOT more mental than others................not pointing fingers though.:wink:Go on Alex point yer finger:smt039

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Agreed but there are those a LOT more mental than others................not pointing fingers though.:wink:
Go on creat a list :whistle:

[Mark CSL]

It will be a long list going by the posts on here :blalalala:

[shane@mbtech]

Agreed but there are those a LOT more mental than others................not pointing fingers though.:wink:

I can confirm most CSL owners are mental.

Go on Alex point yer finger:smt039

Did I hear my name mentioned:-D

[MERLIN]

There's an article in BMWCar magazine this month that seems to suggest many have bought them with a view to daily driving, jumping out of the likes of an M5, but just found them too uncomfortable and sold them on quickly

Just what I wanted a plausible reason as to why the majority of CSL's have had a "few" owners.

Thanks.

[MERLIN]

There are a few CSLs with more owners but the CSL is not for every one the seats put a lot of people off and having 25/30k in the garage is not for every one.

Thanks for your comments, just what I wanted, another valid reason why CSL's appear to have had lots of owners.

Thats two comments now that are slowly convincing me that maybe "few" owners is not always a bad thing as far as CSL go.

Perhaps I should post a wanted ad, with my "requirements", and see what happens ??

[83SY]

I'm the sixth owner of mine at 50k in SG. I thought the same as you but after looking hard and talking to the previous owners I think that some people just want to tick the box & others find them abit raw therefore need a second car & like the guys have already said 25-30k is alot to have in the garage.

+ some people want a trophy car sat in the garage and to Joe Public it just looks like a e46 you can pick up for 8grand so not that impressive if you care what other people think :blalalala: although anyone's opinion that matters will know what it is!

Get on and buy one! Good luck

[shimmy]

I'm the 3rd owner of mine, but really I wouldn't care less if I was the 10th

There's an article in BMWCar magazine this month that seems to suggest many have bought them with a view to daily driving, jumping out of the likes of an M5, but just found them too uncomfortable and sold them on quickly

As an aside, that article also criticised the seats, saying that they were the one thing on the car which potential purchasers would have to change. Personally I find them the best around for a road car, especially on longer trips

I think that is prob the reason for a small numbe rod owners only.

Like most specialist cars the CSL will never be a good daily drive (it was for me for 2 years) and if a car sits in the garage for fun, people tend to swap them out every so often as they have their toys and like to try new toys.

Anybody below 6'2" and 16 st won't find the seats any problem. Even at my size they were comfortable but just not adequate for track use.

[Pip1968]

I am the 4th or 5th owner of my CSL and have had her for five years or so. I think as has already been said the initial purchaser will likely be the sort of person who keeps it for no more than three years. Those along with many others will find it too raw for everyday use and so will tick the box and move on.

I also think that possibly if it was more expensive it may have had less owners.

Pip

[azrael]

I am the 4th or 5th owner of my CSL and have had her for five years or so. I think as has already been said the initial purchaser will likely be the sort of person who keeps it for no more than three years. Those along with many others will find it too raw for everyday use and so will tick the box and move on.

I also think that possibly if it was more expensive it may have had less owners.

Pip

Mine was the same and it only had 14k on it. Its the kind of car to change hands regularly. Think a lot were pre registered to as they weren't shifting at launch. Lots of reasons the numbers can be higher.

[Eduardo]

I think that's right. I think owners buy the cars for different reasons,

The reason why i am selling mine after just 2000 miles is that i don't drive those nice cars throught the winter and that i feel it is too nice just to have them in garage. I had the same problem with the Mustang and the Viper. But always wanted a CSL.

Looking at the MOT's on mine, some owners were collectors and the previous owner drove it daily.

14.05.07 2163 miles

· 31.03.08 3,125 miles

· 17.03.09 11,276 miles

· 15.04.10 16,548 miles

· 19.03.11 30,395 miles

. 10.04.12 40,168 miles

So Merlin you can buy mine :wink: , mine is fine :)

Eduardo.

[shimmy]

mine had two previous owners, then me.

First two really looked after it :smokin:

[83SY]

mine had two previous owners, then me.

First two really looked after it :smokin:

Never been Raced or Rallied.....ummmmmm??? :whistle:

[_Nathan_]

Owned mine since it was 3.5k miles and 18 months old, pre-registered by BMW then owned by one guy, I've looked after it just great since, looks like new ;)

[0836whimper]

As an aside, that article also criticised the seats, saying that they were the one thing on the car which potential purchasers would have to change. Personally I find them the best around for a road car, especially on longer trips

I love the seats, remind me of the car's focus and fit me perfectly. I find them much better 'fitting' than the big adjustable ones in the M3, could never get lumbar right on those.

But can see why someone bigger might struggle.

[MERLIN]

Thanks for all the comments, they have helped me to change my pre-conceived ideas on number of owners.

But just to throw a spanner in the works, one of the "candidates" I now find out was/is a Lease car, how would that effect your opinion of a car ??

My pre-conceived thoughts are coming to the fore again, "may have had to be serviced regularly, but keeper probably abused it, knowing he was going to hand it back" am I wrong again ???

[phoenixcsl]

I think the CSL is one of them cars that attracts many owners.

I'm the 4th on mine, the last owner only had it in his possession for 6 months and didn't like it, due to the seats and ride, he wanted a 'special' daily drive, so he bought a M3 CS instead, his loss my gain.

[azrael]

Thanks for all the comments, they have helped me to change my pre-conceived ideas on number of owners.

But just to throw a spanner in the works, one of the "candidates" I now find out was/is a Lease car, how would that effect your opinion of a car ??

My pre-conceived thoughts are coming to the fore again, "may have had to be serviced regularly, but keeper probably abused it, knowing he was going to hand it back" am I wrong again ???

This is where condition comes into play. You'll need to view it. This is a sports car and a very usable one at that. If you have warranty and the car is in great condition what does it matter?

Whats the point in not using a car or buying a car thats so looked after you daren't actually use the thing properly. This only matters if you want to get in and out of the car quickly and/or with minimal £ loss or if you are a collector and are buying it for appreciation... in which case I expect the cost of carry may come into play.

Get one, use it, love it, keep it

[LeinsCSL]

Anybody below 6'2" and 16 st won't find the seats any problem

I love the seats, remind me of the car's focus and fit me perfectly. I find them much better 'fitting' than the big adjustable ones in the M3, could never get lumbar right on those.

But can see why someone bigger might struggle.

Well I'm 6ft8 and 17stone and the seats and driving position are about as good as I've ever had in a car :smt055

[shimmy]

Well I'm 6ft8 and 17stone and the seats and driving position are about as good as I've ever had in a car :smt055

then your shoulders must be very narrow and all that weight must beon your ankles and chin :smokin:

[LeinsCSL]

then your shoulders must be very narrow and all that weight must beon your ankles and chin :smokin:

Now that you mention it, I do seem to hit the brakes with my fat ankles the odd time when accelerating. Makes for poor progress ;)

[toplad]

The CSL is just like any other expensive sporty car. People buy them for the experience and then move them on for something else desirable. It's the same with Porsches, Ferraris and any other top end car
Once a car has had more than one owner, the number of owners becomes an irrelevance.
Buy on condition, service histroy. Everything else is a lottery

[shane@mbtech]

If you were presented with this...................

6018

Would you be bothered if she had had 1 previous boyfriend or 8 previous boyfriends.

I did'nt think so:smokin:

[MERLIN]

If you were presented with this...................

6018

Would you be bothered if she had had 1 previous boyfriend or 8 previous boyfriends.

I did'nt think so:smokin:

If she was a Redhead with Double D's then probably not:drool:, but a Brunette I wouldn't bother viewing !

[MERLIN]

OK, you lot have convinced me, lots of owners is not a bad thing where CSL's are concerned.

But, where are all the BLACK ones with under 30K miles ??????????

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote- ''Would you be bothered if she had had 1 previous boyfriend or 8 previous boyfriends.

Lawsy- If they had gone by the names of
Fahran or Dehqan, then in short, yes.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote - ''But, where are all the BLACK ones with under 30K miles ??????????

John Terry is alleged to have said that they could be
around the Loftus Road vicinity.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

If you were presented with this...................

6018

Would you be bothered if she had had 1 previous boyfriend or 8 previous boyfriends.

I did'nt think so:smokin:
You would just SMASH it and know you have had a piece of the action too :whistle:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

OK, you lot have convinced me, lots of owners is not a bad thing where CSL's are concerned.

But, where are all the BLACK ones with under 30K miles ??????????
Same place as all the Grey ones :whistle:

[shimmy]

Hi All,

Am I being naïve, to expect to find a CSL that has not had e.g. five, six, eight owners in eight years ??

It seems the majority of those for sale, have had lots of owners, who must have kept them for a very short time.

Is it a case of most CSL's have had lots of owners, due to people wanting to say “I’ve owned a CSL” then selling it on, or just, tracked them and move them on ??

One recent one, having done less than 20K, has had five owners ????

Just trying to find a low mileage one that has had one or two owners, preferably SB and with extended warranty.

I realise that lots of owners does not necassarily mean bad car, and a one owner could have been abused, but it would be against the norm.



Am asking the impossible, chasing rainbows ???


Tbh I am just really impressed you found the umlaut to spell naïve

[MERLIN]

Tbh I am just really impressed you found the umlaut to spell naïve

I wish I could claim the credit for that, but I cannot !

11/10 for observation !!