Book a Track won't REFUND!

[83SY]

Not happy :banghead: Booked a day with Book a Track July 2nd at Donny & had to cancel due to work commitments & understood that I would loose a 20% admin fee but... they have said because I was a couple of hours late sending them an email to cancel (within 7days) I will loose the whole £320 or have a credit note...!

1) I think 20% is enough to loose considering they have places still available so havent turned anyone away & really how much admin have they done!

2) Im doing Donny 31/8 and expect that's it for 2012 so I would have to wait till summer next year to use this £320 & after this I would use them again!

Their response was - 'if you dont want the credit not which is a good will gesture then we will keep the full amount'

Should have listened to the guy's that warned me of 'Book a Twat' :moan:

[83SY]

Cant believe their attitude! Just sent another email basically saying I wasnt happy & could they do anything for me? They replied.....

'For the avoidance of doubt, we will most definitely NOT be refunding your card'

:finga: Wa#kers!

[Barry C]

I organise Trackdays in Ireland and I have to say I'm on Bookatracks side of the fence...obviously:hahaha:

The problem you get with giving out credit notes/refunds etc is that you get people trying to cancel due to poor weather forecast, work commitments etc:banghead:

I have a no refund policy. If you book and can't make it then it's your loss, however in certain circumstances i will give the person a credit for the next trackday etc

if you booked a Ryanair flight to spain and had to cancel due to work commitments do you really think they would give you a refund? or any airline for that matter.

Honestly the credit note is a generous gesture that they are not obliged to do. I'd be happier with that rather than giving them 20% admin fee which is a total scam

[83SY]

Fact of the matter is 20% is a joke, what have they done for this & they have spaces available so they havent lost a thing (other than my future business)

If they had refunded minus the 20% i would have took it on the chin & booked again with them but they are bloody rude!
& the fact I was a matter of hours out of the 7days to get a refund! Not the way to run a business IMO

I was warned of their attitude! should have listened to Shimmy... :notworthy:


I organise Trackdays in Ireland and I have to say I'm on Bookatracks side of the fence...obviously:hahaha:

The problem you get with giving out credit notes/refunds etc is that you get people trying to cancel due to poor weather forecast, work commitments etc:banghead:

I have a no refund policy. If you book and can't make it then it's your loss, however in certain circumstances i will give the person a credit for the next trackday etc

if you booked a Ryanair flight to spain and had to cancel due to work commitments do you really think they would give you a refund? or any airline for that matter.


Honestly the credit note is a generous gesture that they are not obliged to do. I'd be happier with that rather than giving them 20% admin fee which is a total scam

[shimmy]

no refund is pretty common these days as Barry says, you used to be able to bail out late if the weather looked bad but times have changed

a refund is what you want but voucher is good although means you have to speak to them again :)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I have had problems with them before where they have given me a credit with a time limit, due to not having a car then luckily got my mates to use the credit and they gave me the cash back. :banghead:

[83SY]

no refund is pretty common these days as Barry says, you used to be able to bail out late if the weather looked bad but times have changed

a refund is what you want but voucher is good although means you have to speak to them again :)

To be honest Shim if they had been polite I would have been fine but I dont want to attend anything they run in the future! :birdman:

[Barry C]

obvioulsy yours is a genuine case and this has nothing to do with you but you wouldn't believe some of the crap people have given me over the years.

A guys engine blows up and dumps oil everywhere and he starts screaming at me for a refund.:119:

I obviouly tell him he's not getting a refund so instead he goes and tries to sell his wristband to some other idiot at a discounted rate for the afternoon session:wanker: ... I should have charged him for the track closure.

Then you have the guys who do 20 laps and get a puncture and come looking for 50% back because they need money for a tyre or to get a tow truck home or what ever.

Then you have the guys who sign on a second driver to their car but instead they try get out and drive another car etc etc.

honestly, you wouldn't believe the bullshit people try and pull these days. People have no respect and everyone is looking for something for free

[83SY]

Not thats it's any of their business but the real reason i couldn't do it is my Nan whos 91yrs old has been in a nursing home for the past five weeks & has recovered after a small stoke & coming home to her house Monday so wanted to help/be there when she comes home.

And I am sure you get all sorts of reason's & getting messed around is never nice but im sure you are polite to your customers who are spending alot of money with you...

But I shouldn't have to tell them that & I wont I just know for the future I wont be using Book a track or recommending them to anyone :wanker:

[Barry C]

Not thats it's any of their business but the real reason i couldn't do it is my Nan whos 91yrs old has been in a nursing home for the past five weeks & has recovered after a small stoke & coming home to her house Monday so wanted to help/be there when she comes home.

And I am sure you get all sorts of reason's & getting messed around is never nice but im sure you are polite to your customers who are spending alot of money with you...

But I shouldn't have to tell them that & I wont I just know for the future I wont be using Book a track or recommending them to anyone :wanker:

That's totally understandable and delighted your Nan is on the mend.:beer:

There is no excuse for bad manners though, especially when a customer has spent £320:119: sounds expensive!

[83SY]

That's totally understandable and delighted your Nan is on the mend.:beer:

There is no excuse for bad manners though, especially when a customer has spent £320:119: sounds expensive!


Thanks Barry

[phoenixcsl]

Sounds like a headache!

Personally I'd take the credit note, then sell it to someone on the forum, sell it with a bit of discount, you don't loose too much and someone else gains a little discount, everyone is happy(ish).

At least that way you have a bit of cash back in your pocket, they haven't won and you haven't lost all your hard earned. :thumbs:

[petery]

Personally I think Bookatrack are one of the best track day organisers out there. I've been going on their track days since 2004 and never had a problem with them.

I know the guys who run the company well and deal with them a lot and they are always polite and do what they can to help out.

I think the offer of a credit note to use against future track day seems like a good offer as you can't make that day becuase of a change in YOUR plans. #You were obviously intending on spending that money for that track day so what does it matter if you use it in a months time instead?

[shimmy]

Personally I think Bookatrack are one of the best track day organisers out there. I've been going on their track days since 2004 and never had a problem with them. ?

Agree regarding the trAckday itself



I know the guys who run the company well and deal with them a lot and they are always polite and do what they can to help out.

?


Codswallup...:-D


(Lawsy- get Sticky on here, he'd love this)

[petery]

Agree regarding the trAckday itself





Codswallup...:-D


(Lawsy- get Sticky on here, he'd love this)


I find how you treat people makes a difference to how you get treated............

[jonnyleroux]

I'm disappointed to have to come here to defend myself, but equally I can't sit around and let these lies you're spouting affect my companies reputation.

Firstly, you contacted us over 24 hours after the 7-day deadline. I politely pointed out that you'd missed the deadline and offered a goodwill credit note, which I was in no way obliged to do.

Your response was both arrogant and bullying (in a similar vein to this thread in fact) and I will not be bullied into issuing a refund.

As for the reason why you couldn't attend. Here's your original email :-

"Unfortunately I will be unable to attend Donington next week due to work commitments that have just arisen."

If you choose not to furnish me with the truth about why you can't attend the event then that's your choice, but don't use the sick granny to try and drum up forum support afterwards - that's pathetic.

Interestingly, your last email to me said you were going to attend on Monday after all rather than lose your money. It'll be interesting to see if you do turn up as it clearly shows where your priorities lie!

For the record, it is *incredibly* rare for us to refuse a refund or credit note - in any circumstances. A polite and appreciative approach goes a long way.

Jonny
BaT

[shimmy]

Interestingly, your last email to me said you were going to attend on Monday after all rather than lose your money. It'll be interesting to see if you do turn up as it clearly shows where your priorities lie!

BaT

yep, defended yourself pretty well there, even managing a new 'low' in insulting customers....or maybe you see that as a new 'high'

[83SY]

Your short rude response led me to be in a position where I do not want to attend another one of your track days & my reasons behind not attended should not make a difference Jonny.

I was shocked at your short & rude reply considering recently I spend over a £1000 with you hiring a car and treating a friend to a track day with you at castle Combe in his Honda S2000.

I have made other family arrangements and will be getting this track day out of the way so I can enjoy my future track day experiences and not deal with book a track.

As for your companies rep' don't be so rude and arrogant and you won't get called so by me and others!

I will be there Monday so if you want to say something do it face to face.







I'm disappointed to have to come here to defend myself, but equally I can't sit around and let these lies you're spouting affect my companies reputation.

Firstly, you contacted us over 24 hours after the 7-day deadline. I politely pointed out that you'd missed the deadline and offered a goodwill credit note, which I was in no way obliged to do.

Your response was both arrogant and bullying (in a similar vein to this thread in fact) and I will not be bullied into issuing a refund.

As for the reason why you couldn't attend. Here's your original email :-

"Unfortunately I will be unable to attend Donington next week due to work commitments that have just arisen."

If you choose not to furnish me with the truth about why you can't attend the event then that's your choice, but don't use the sick granny to try and drum up forum support afterwards - that's pathetic.

Interestingly, your last email to me said you were going to attend on Monday after all rather than lose your money. It'll be interesting to see if you do turn up as it clearly shows where your priorities lie!

For the record, it is *incredibly* rare for us to refuse a refund or credit note - in any circumstances. A polite and appreciative approach goes a long way.

Jonny
BaT

[83SY]

'But don't use the sick granny to try and drum up forum support afterwards - that's pathetic'
I only hope you opened your mouth without using your head!
& to question a customers family priorities! When you havent a clue how I & my family care for my Nan so keep these comments to yourself.

Yes I told you it was because of work commitments, but you response was so arrogant I didnt feel I wanted to explain any further & wanted my money back & to see the back of BaT...

BaT;
For the avoidance of doubt, we will most definitely NOT be refunding your card.

Bat;
If you’re not happy and the credit note is no good then I will remove the credit note now as it’s clearly pointless as a goodwill gesture if there’s no goodwill generated.

Me; - Happy to loose 20% admin fee..
I consider that 20% is more than
fair & if you attend to maintain repeat customers this is not the way
to do business. Particularly considering most people who do track days
do so through word of mouth recommendation from fellow track day'ers.
( Really is that threatening) :bigcry:

BaT;
For the record, it is *incredibly* rare for us to refuse a refund...
(Really? are you sure...)

Am I telling you how to run your business? no just stop being rude to people that give you their hard earned money!

Will I use BaT again after Monday? NO :beer:

[83SY]

I find how you treat people makes a difference to how you get treated............

Bat;
A polite and appreciative approach goes a long way. (Pot kettle black)

Totally agreed & thats why I wont be giving them anymore of my money :(

[jonnyleroux]

Shame you feel the need to be so selective with your quotes Simon.

Having offered you a goodwill credit note, this was your immediate response:-

"A credit note is no good to me & I would like & expect a refund minus
the 20% admin which is im not 100% happy about but i will take it on
the chin."

Jonny
BaT

[83SY]

Credit note is no good to me pruely because I wouldn't use BaT again because of the way ive been dealt with.

I will be there Monday & reading the T&C's

22. Aggressive or threatening behaviour towards any BookaTrack.Com personnel or any other person at a BookaTrack.Com event will result in termination of the event for You. No refund will be given and the decision of BookaTrack.Com is final.

I will have to bite my tougue. As they say Silence is Golden :finga:



Shame you feel the need to be so selective with your quotes Simon.

Having offered you a goodwill credit note, this was your immediate response:-

"A credit note is no good to me & I would like & expect a refund minus
the 20% admin which is im not 100% happy about but i will take it on
the chin."

Jonny
BaT

[jonnyleroux]

And let's not forget this little chestnut:-

"I hope you will refund the amount minus 20% but will be very disappointed if not & will look into taking the matter further"

Your bullying tactics may work with other companies but I personally won't tolerate it.

And if you want to question my refund policies - out of a total of 406 refund/cancellation/transfer requests in the last 12 months, there have only been 2 clients who have not had anything back from us. You would have been the third.

Jonny
BaT

[jonnyleroux]

Credit note is no good to me pruely because I wouldn't use BaT again because of the way ive been dealt with.

Keep re-writing history at this rate and you'll have me convinced before too long! If you can't keep your stories straight then you really shouldn't be posting them to forums for everyone to spot your inconsistencies.

Jonny
BaT

[83SY]

Keep re-writing history at this rate and you'll have me convinced before too long! If you can't keep your stories straight then you really shouldn't be posting them to forums for everyone to spot your inconsistencies.

Jonny
BaT

'Inconsistencies' Thats a long word for you Jonny. Lets not forget you being rude and having a lack of customer service started the emails regarding taking things further & not wanting a credit note.

BaT;
For the avoidance of doubt, we will most definitely NOT be refunding your card. (im guessing would be enough to wind anyone up)

I guess your doing very well and dont need repeat paying customers so best of luck to you but I will be telling anyone who asks me all about BaT

+ I was told by more than one person your a rude & arrogant person to deal with so youve earnt that title! :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

83 SY, what exhaust are you running, only reason I ask is you wouldn't want to fail the noise tests:whistle::hahaha:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

83 SY, what exhaust are you running, only reason I ask is you wouldn't want to fail the noise tests:whistle::hahaha:
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[83SY]

83 SY, what exhaust are you running, only reason I ask is you wouldn't want to fail the noise tests:whistle::hahaha:

Thanks mate. S/S race box. tested at 94DB's so im all good to go! :partyman:

[shane@mbtech]

Thanks mate. S/S race box. tested at 94DB's so im all good to go! :partyman:

Awaits the next thread..........."Bookatrack wont let me on track due to failing noise test"

:hahaha:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Awaits the next thread..........."Bookatrack wont let me on track due to failing noise test"

:hahaha:
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: Which track is it :whistle:

[shimmy]

Awaits the next thread..........."Bookatrack wont let me on track due to failing noise test"

:hahaha:


and everybody knows BaT have a'special' relationship with Donington Circuit so my guess the word is already in to race control " watch out for that noisey CSL" :(

[83SY]

I've already had the beast noise tested so I'd love to see them try & pull that one :moan:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

and everybody knows BaT have a'special' relationship with Donington Circuit so my guess the word is already in to race control " watch out for that noisey CSL" :(
Looks like an early finish for him then, are they raising the noise level for our day or will you be extra careful ;)

[83SY]

Looks like an early finish for him then, are they raising the noise level for our day or will you be extra careful ;)

They have quoted noise levels of 98DB's thats pretty high :119:

[outnumbered]

I'm a completely disinterested party in all this not knowing either SY or Bookatrack, but based on what I've seen here, it's not clear to me what BaT have done wrong.

You were late cancelling, they offered you a credit note, which you declined.

You then carried on trying to get a refund, and they told you clearly it was a credit note or nothing.

So what else were you expecting exactly ? If they wouldn't refund you within their T&Cs that'd be another matter, but it's you who's outside the agreed T&Cs, and they've offered goodwill which you've declined...

[3wheels3]

Don't listen to 'em all Sy, as long as you short shift all the way round you'll be fine. You could even submit your mpg reading to eco trackday competition :)

[83SY]

I asked for a refund and was greeted with such arrogance and rudeness I didn't want a credit note because I didnt want to deal with BaT again!

I'm sure if you have dealings with them you will understand. Pistonheads thread all about this dude!

Anyway I'm doing the track day and won't have to deal with then again




I'm a completely disinterested party in all this not knowing either SY or Bookatrack, but based on what I've seen here, it's not clear to me what BaT have done wrong.

You were late cancelling, they offered you a credit note, which you declined.

You then carried on trying to get a refund, and they told you clearly it was a credit note or nothing.

So what else were you expecting exactly ? If they wouldn't refund you within their T&Cs that'd be another matter, but it's you who's outside the agreed T&Cs, and they've offered goodwill which you've declined...

[83SY]

Don't listen to 'em all Sy, as long as you short shift all the way round you'll be fine. You could even submit your mpg reading to eco trackday competition :)
:hahaha: I will report back with my mpg figures

[billyboysm3]

You will not fail a 98db driveby absolutely smashing it round.

Billy

[jonnyleroux]

I asked for a refund and was greeted with such arrogance and rudeness I didn't want a credit note because I didnt want to deal with BaT again!

Shall we let the public decide on that?

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SY:Unfortunately I will be unable to attend Donington next week due to work commitments that have just arisen. I understand there will be a 20% admin charge, could you please refund the remainder onto the card I paid with

BaT:Unfortunately the notice period for a refund is 7 days. However, as a goodwill gesture I will issue a credit note less the admin fee to your BaT account which will be valid for 12 months from today.

SY: The website states 7 days & I sent you the email within 7 days. A credit note is no good to be & I would like & expect a refund minus the 20% admin which is im not 100% happy about but i will take it on the chin.

BaT:7 days before the date of the event would have been midnight on Sunday night, or absolute worst case 9am on Monday morning. If you’re not happy and the credit note is no good then I will remove the credit note now as it’s clearly pointless as a goodwill gesture if there’s no goodwill generated.

SY: Would you not consider this petty? I consider that 20% is more than fair & if you attend to maintain repeat customers this is not the way to do business. Particularly considering most people who do track days do so through word of mouth recommendation from fellow track day'ers. I hope you will refund the amount minus 20% but will be very disappointed if not & will look into taking the matter further & of course never use book a track again.

BaT:The fact that the credit note is no good to you tells me that you have no intention of doing another BaT day in the next 12 months. I’m sorry it’s come to this but I don't respond well to threats and your responses thus far have been both arrogant and unreasonable.

SY: I find your response both Arrogant & unreasonable. I have not threatened anything or anyone just pointed out this is not the way to run a business. I will be expecting a full refund before July 2nd as a good will gesture! I was planning on doing a number of events with book a track next year & have attended events with Gold track (SPA) & opentrack (DONNY) this year & Castle combe with you hiring a car for the day! If you do not intend to refund this amount minus the 20% ADMIN fee please let me know

BaT:At least we're on the same wavelength then Simon. For the avoidance of doubt, we will most definitely NOT be refunding your card.

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I think you'll agree that, when viewed in context, it was Simon who approached this conversation with entirely the wrong attitude.


Jonny
BaT

[83SY]

Love the way you've left out two emails to stop you looking like a tw#t!

Not to mention the editing work you have done
:gayfight: didnt really quite go down like that did it Jonny!

I'm actually now really looking froward to Monday




Shall we let the public decide on that?

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SY:Unfortunately I will be unable to attend Donington next week due to work commitments that have just arisen. I understand there will be a 20% admin charge, could you please refund the remainder onto the card I paid with

BaT:Unfortunately the notice period for a refund is 7 days. However, as a goodwill gesture I will issue a credit note less the admin fee to your BaT account which will be valid for 12 months from today.

SY: The website states 7 days & I sent you the email within 7 days. A credit note is no good to be & I would like & expect a refund minus the 20% admin which is im not 100% happy about but i will take it on the chin.

BaT:7 days before the date of the event would have been midnight on Sunday night, or absolute worst case 9am on Monday morning. If you’re not happy and the credit note is no good then I will remove the credit note now as it’s clearly pointless as a goodwill gesture if there’s no goodwill generated.

SY: Would you not consider this petty? I consider that 20% is more than fair & if you attend to maintain repeat customers this is not the way to do business. Particularly considering most people who do track days do so through word of mouth recommendation from fellow track day'ers. I hope you will refund the amount minus 20% but will be very disappointed if not & will look into taking the matter further & of course never use book a track again.

BaT:The fact that the credit note is no good to you tells me that you have no intention of doing another BaT day in the next 12 months. I’m sorry it’s come to this but I don't respond well to threats and your responses thus far have been both arrogant and unreasonable.

SY: I find your response both Arrogant & unreasonable. I have not threatened anything or anyone just pointed out this is not the way to run a business. I will be expecting a full refund before July 2nd as a good will gesture! I was planning on doing a number of events with book a track next year & have attended events with Gold track (SPA) & opentrack (DONNY) this year & Castle combe with you hiring a car for the day! If you do not intend to refund this amount minus the 20% ADMIN fee please let me know

BaT:At least we're on the same wavelength then Simon. For the avoidance of doubt, we will most definitely NOT be refunding your card.

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I think you'll agree that, when viewed in context, it was Simon who approached this conversation with entirely the wrong attitude.


Jonny
BaT

[jonnyleroux]

Love the way you've left out two emails to stop you looking like a tw#t!

Not to mention the editing work you have done
:gayfight: didnt really quite go down like that did it Jonny!

I'm actually now really looking froward to Monday

Which two emails Simon? That's all of the emails I sent you, other than the last few which I didn't feel added anything:

SY:Not the way to do business Jonny. I will be there Monday (for the last time with bookatrack)

BaT: OK i've added your booking back to your account. I don't know what garage you had booked before but i've put you in garage 17 now.

SY:I will be at the Track day this Monday if you have a problem with that let me know now

BaT: You've paid for it – you’re entitled to attend

SY: I will be there & other than listening to your drivers breifing want no contact with you or your staff. Then I will go on my merry way & book with other TD companies in the future

BaT: UNSUBSCRIBE

[83SY]

Funny that the pistonheads thread mentions you to be rude and arrogant!
And where would they get that from :thumbs:

After the track days over Monday your welcome to come over for a chat face to face :wanker:

[83SY]

Come on Jonny not those two emails...
I will post them when I'm back to work

I'm sure your far to busy insulting people to be on this forum and I'm sure you haven't got an m3 csl so why are you on here?

Which two emails Simon? That's all of the emails I sent you, other than the last few which I didn't feel added anything:

SY:Not the way to do business Jonny. I will be there Monday (for the last time with bookatrack)

BaT: OK i've added your booking back to your account. I don't know what garage you had booked before but i've put you in garage 17 now.

SY:I will be at the Track day this Monday if you have a problem with that let me know now

BaT: You've paid for it – you’re entitled to attend

SY: I will be there & other than listening to your drivers breifing want no contact with you or your staff. Then I will go on my merry way & book with other TD companies in the future

BaT: UNSUBSCRIBE

[jonnyleroux]

I've gone through my sent items and as far as I can tell, that's every email I sent you on the topic posted below. Please correct me if i'm wrong and post these 2 emails which make me look like a twat.

After the track days over Monday your welcome to come over for a chat face to face :wanker:

Why the fuck would I want to do that? There's going to be plenty of very happy and pleasant clients to chat to on Monday - not about to waste my breath on you am I?

Jonny
BaT

[83SY]

I've gone through my sent items and as far as I can tell, that's every email I sent you on the topic posted below. Please correct me if i'm wrong and post these 2 emails which make me look like a twat.



Why the fuck would I want to do that? There's going to be plenty of very happy and pleasant clients to chat to on Monday - not about to waste my breath on you am I?

Jonny
BaT

I did say I will post them & I'm glad to hear I'm a waste of breath lol your so polite....

As a valued paying customer I looking forward to joining you and the team on Monday

[jonnyleroux]

As a valued paying customer I looking forward to joining you and the team on Monday

For the avoidance of doubt, you are NOT a valued customer and I look forward to watching your every move with a view to black flagging you and fucking you off home at the earliest opportunity. Best behaviour on Monday Simon :-)

[83SY]

For the avoidance of doubt, you are NOT a valued customer and I look forward to watching your every move with a view to black flagging you and fucking you off home at the earliest opportunity. Best behaviour on Monday Simon :-)

What's that song? Oh yeah... Show your true colours !!!

And I look forward to trolling every forum possible Tuesday am to report my wonderful day with book a track

You will be too busy telling everyone how fast you are to watch me so kiss my arse Jonny

See you Monday

[83SY]

For the avoidance of doubt, you are NOT a valued customer and I look forward to watching your every move with a view to black flagging you and fucking you off home at the earliest opportunity. Best behaviour on Monday Simon :-)

:thumbs: as an owner of a track day company I still can't believe you just wrote that ... I'm still laughing cos you've just made yourself look like the biggest tool

[3wheels3]

For the avoidance of doubt, you are NOT a valued customer and I look forward to watching your every move with a view to black flagging you and fucking you off home at the earliest opportunity. Best behaviour on Monday Simon :-)

Hey Jonny, even those without a problem with BaT or you personally might take offence at you coming on here with that stuff. It's one thing trying to put your case but it's possible to over step the mark regardless. It's cost you more than a few customers.....I think you've lost respect with that last comment.

Edit: In fact even if I previously didn't think a refund was appropiate it's time to offer one now in light of those comments.

[83SY]

You will not fail a 98db driveby absolutely smashing it round.

Billy

Thanks Bill, noise all ok but I'm still getting black flagged!
Bit racist giving me just the black one tho...?

[shimmy]

Thanks Bill, noise all ok but I'm still getting black flagged!
Bit racist giving me just the black one tho...?

If you do get black flagged make sure you don't go past all the sound meters and rev the bollox of the car in 3rd gear for another 5 laps, that wouldn't. Be fair.

[83SY]

If you do get black flagged make sure you don't go past all the sound meters and rev the bollox of the car in 3rd gear for another 5 laps, that wouldn't. Be fair.

Thanks shim. Watch this space

[83SY]

For the avoidance of doubt, you are NOT a valued customer and I look forward to watching your every move with a view to black flagging you and fucking you off home at the earliest opportunity. Best behaviour on Monday Simon :-)

Still can't believe it!

[jonnyleroux]

Hey Jonny, even those without a problem with BaT or you personally might take offence at you coming on here with that stuff. It's one thing trying to put your case but it's possible to over step the mark regardless. It's cost you more than a few customers.....I think you've lost respect with that last comment.

It's a shame you feel that way and if it offends anyone I'm genuinely sorry. Part of the reason we are still around after ~13 years of running track days is that I don't let people walk all over me. Whether that's on the forum, or at the circuit. Driving standards issues get dealt with in the same forthright manner and that's why we've got one of the best reputations and safety records in the industry.

And before Shimmy gets all twitchy and dislodges the massive chip off his shoulder - a few gobshites on an internet forum with an axe to grind do not constitute a bad rep :-)

Jonny
BaT

[shimmy]

It's a shame you feel that way and if it offends anyone I'm genuinely sorry. Part of the reason we are still around after ~13 years of running track days is that I don't let people walk all over me. Whether that's on the forum, or at the circuit. Driving standards issues get dealt with in the same forthright manner and that's why we've got one of the best reputations and safety records in the industry.

And before Shimmy gets all twitchy and dislodges the massive chip off his shoulder - a few gobshites on an internet forum with an axe to grind do not constitute a bad rep :-)

Jonny
BaT


Sorry I'm "off the carbs" at the moment.

[83SY]

It's a shame you feel that way and if it offends anyone I'm genuinely sorry. Part of the reason we are still around after ~13 years of running track days is that I don't let people walk all over me. Whether that's on the forum, or at the circuit. Driving standards issues get dealt with in the same forthright manner and that's why we've got one of the best reputations and safety records in the industry.

And before Shimmy gets all twitchy and dislodges the massive chip off his shoulder - a few gobshites on an internet forum with an axe to grind do not constitute a bad rep :-)

Jonny
BaT

Keep on going jonny your digging deeper

[jonnyleroux]

Keep on going jonny your digging deeper

No worries - I'm sure these two magic emails you're going to find will be the final nail in the coffin.

Jonny
BaT

[jonnyleroux]

Keep on going jonny your digging deeper

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzrkgtuzNW1qz541no1_500.png

[83SY]

No worries - I'm sure these two magic emails you're going to find will be the final nail in the coffin.

Jonny
BaT

You really are a cock lol

In a nutshell. I asked when you made a point of me not telling you the reason for cancelling was regarding my sick granny as you put it, would it have made a difference! No bat t&c's are final
+
email regarding me leaving a message to ring me back regarding cancelling the day that I left over the weekend so 9 days prior to the event did not count because cancelling the event was not mentioned in the message!

Funny how you were conveniently selective when copy and pasting your emails!
Or did they slip your mind

[83SY]

I'm going to see visit my sick granny now so please excuse me I will look forward to Monday

[DazBlackCSL]

Chaps

Lets please keep this civil or we will have too move the thread.

[83SY]

Chaps

Lets please keep this civil or we will have too move the thread.

Sorry Daz, I'm done now :smokin:

[azrael]

Chaps

Lets please keep this civil or we will have too move the thread.

Yep, not going anywhere is it Dazza. Life is too short guys.

[DazBlackCSL]

Sorry Daz, I'm done now :smokin:


:thumbs: (when is this track day might be worth heading up for coffee)

[jonnyleroux]

You really are a cock lol

In a nutshell. I asked when you made a point of me not telling you the reason for cancelling was regarding my sick granny as you put it, would it have made a difference! No bat t&c's are final
+
email regarding me leaving a message to ring me back regarding cancelling the day that I left over the weekend so 9 days prior to the event did not count because cancelling the event was not mentioned in the message!

Funny how you were conveniently selective when copy and pasting your emails!
Or did they slip your mind

OK Simon, now unfortunately *you* have overstepped the mark. You are blatantly lying about emails that don't exist and phone calls that were never made. All our calls are recorded and all emails are stored our server. I welcome any independent inspection of either system.

I have posted *every* bit of email correspondence we have exchanged this week and there was most certainly no voicemail from you over the weekend.

Unless you can post or forward me the alleged email (complete with headers) then I must insist that you retract those blatant lies immediately, otherwise I'll be cancelling your booking for Monday and I'll see you in court.

Jonny
BaT

[shane@mbtech]

I love big black cocks

[DazBlackCSL]

Yep, not going anywhere is it Dazza. Life is too short guys.


Bit odd for me not to be in the pub at this point too on a friday ! :-D

And when are we having that beer anyway !

Clare out so im in with Chloe, tennis on vino and pizza ordered ! lol

Two matches going on to keep an eye on !

[DazBlackCSL]

I love big black cocks

Not the train ... please not the train again !

[Yanto]

Bit odd for me not to be in the pub at this point too on a friday ! :-D

And when are we having that beer anyway !

Clare out so im in with Chloe, tennis on vino and pizza ordered ! lol

Two matches going on to keep an eye on !

You've changed.........but still luv u :smt055

[DazBlackCSL]

You've changed.........but still luv u :smt055

lol !! Out tom on one to make up for it !!

Love ya too .... WHARF BEERS WHEN
:-D

[83SY]

OK Simon, now unfortunately *you* have overstepped the mark. You are blatantly lying about emails that don't exist and phone calls that were never made. All our calls are recorded and all emails are stored our server. I welcome any independent inspection of either system.

I have posted *every* bit of email correspondence we have exchanged this week and there was most certainly no voicemail from you over the weekend.

Unless you can post or forward me the alleged email (complete with headers) then I must insist that you retract those blatant lies immediately, otherwise I'll be cancelling your booking for Monday and I'll see you in court.

Jonny
BaT

Are you for real! You know as well as I do that I rang you and discussed my sick granny in your words as not a valid excuse for cancelling because no one can cancel with bat!

If you intend on cancelling my track day booking and not refunding me you better be prepared for a battle my friend cos you'll get one!

Any excuse not to face me on monday! Spineless

[shimmy]

OK Simon, now unfortunately *you* have overstepped the mark. You are blatantly lying about emails that don't exist and phone calls that were never made. All our calls are recorded and all emails are stored our server. I welcome any independent inspection of either system.

I have posted *every* bit of email correspondence we have exchanged this week and there was most certainly no voicemail from you over the weekend.

Unless you can post or forward me the alleged email (complete with headers) then I must insist that you retract those blatant lies immediately, otherwise I'll be cancelling your booking for Monday and I'll see you in court.

Jonny
BaT

Thats interesting and I would be keen to know which clause in your T&Cs allow you to do that?

If it went to court, it wouldn't go on for very long is my guess.

[Yanto]

lol !! Out tom on one to make up for it !!

Love ya too .... WHARF BEERS WHEN
:-D

Summers coming bruv and you know what that means in the Wharf......Ohgodyeah

We keep flirting with this but firm date going in events section within next 5 weeks.

Can you bring the car cover with you....cash waiting :)

[Yanto]

lol !! Out tom on one to make up for it !!

Love ya too .... WHARF BEERS WHEN
:-D

You in town Tom ?


Am on a Leo in cov gdn with my uni pals....who knows what later ????
:smokin:


Fook it... Will get my own thread :partyman:

[DazBlackCSL]

Summers coming bruv and you know what that means in the Wharf......Ohgodyeah

We keep flirting with this but firm date going in events section within next 5 weeks.

Can you bring the car cover with you....cash waiting :)

Will do, will be full of spiders as still in the shed :hahaha:

And looking forward ti , will get a room !!!!!!

[DazBlackCSL]

You in town Tom ?


Am on a Leo in cov gdn with my uni pals....who knows what later ????
:smokin:


Fook it... Will get my own thread :partyman:


lol :hahaha:... na im out with the boys tom ascot way drinking .. but deffo on the wharf :smt055

[83SY]

For the avoidance of doubt, you are NOT a valued customer and I look forward to watching your every move with a view to black flagging you and fucking you off home at the earliest opportunity. Best behaviour on Monday Simon :-)

This will go down well in court

[jonnyleroux]

Are you for real! You know as well as I do that I rang you and discussed my sick granny in your words as not a valid excuse for cancelling because no one can cancel with bat!

Right then. I'm officially signing off from this thread now. You've proved yourself to be a bare-faced liar and I refuse to correspond with someone who is going to randomly make shit up. If you honestly believe we discussed your sick grandmother on the phone then I seriously suggest you get some psychiatric help.

Jonny
BaT

[83SY]

Right then. I'm officially signing off from this thread now. You've proved yourself to be a bare-faced liar and I refuse to correspond with someone who is going to randomly make shit up. If you honestly believe we discussed your sick grandmother on the phone then I seriously suggest you get some psychiatric help.

Jonny
BaT

Your twisted Jonny. And you need to make it clear in front of everbody if your cancelling my track day?

And my hotel that can not be refunded?

Should add up to a costly claim if you want to play that game?

[83SY]

Thats interesting and I would be keen to know which clause in your T&Cs allow you to do that?

If it went to court, it wouldn't go on for very long is my guess.

:wav::wav:

[shane@mbtech]

To save hassle of court.

Did you pay on credit card?;)

[3wheels3]

Can't believe Benneteau got totally Roger'd in that last set!

[83SY]

To save hassle of court.

Did you pay on credit card?;)

No debit card

[DazBlackCSL]

Can't believe Benneteau got totally Roger'd in that last set!

+1

[Mark CSL]

:smt064:smt064:smt064

[O'Neill]

Me, I will still be going on Bookatrack track days, I like someone who takes no bull and not false.

[83SY]

Me, I will still be going on Bookatrack track days, I like someone who takes no bull and not false.

:gayfight:

Until he rubs you up the wrong way too... & that is in no way questioning his sexual orientation or yours!

[O'Neill]

:gayfight:

Until he rubs you up the wrong way too... & that is in no way questioning his sexual orientation or yours!

I think he's straight up, talks his mind, some people may take this wrong, being used to middle management arse lickers

[83SY]

I think he's straight up, talks his mind, some people may take this wrong, being used to middle management arse lickers

That's your opinion bud so no worries. Hope you enjoy your Track Day's :-D

[83SY]

I'm here, stayed at the priest house hotel 10/10
Was enjoying my day until the rain started chucking down!

First time at Donny in a car (been round on a bike)
1st session : 1.24.2
2nd session : 1.22.0
3rd session : 1.20.4
Now it's raining!
Unfortunately lots of traffic out there today but loving the track

Couple of sessions after lunch in the wet then I'm getting home
Roll on 31/8

[shimmy]

I'm here, stayed at the priest house hotel 10/10
Was enjoying my day until the rain started chucking down!


Couple of sessions after lunch in the wet then I'm getting home
Roll on 31/8


damn thats quick and fast too it.......if it dries you are sub 1m 20s which is superb:thumbs:

[shimmy]

just heard thru a reliable source this thread may still have legs :whistle:

somebody has just been chucked off!

[DazBlackCSL]

just heard thru a reliable source this thread may still have legs :whistle:

somebody has just been chucked off!


:whistle: ...

[Pip1968]

:smt069 I have to say both parties seem to have been a little unreasonable and it is a shame it digressed into insults, gesticulations and bad language.

The whole thing makes Touristfahrt look like the safest option after all.

Mediator required I think.


Pip :whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

will be keeping one on the thread :-D

[83SY]

damn thats quick and fast too it.......if it dries you are sub 1m 20s which is superb:thumbs:

Thanks mate. Would never had dried chucked it down.

Jonny sent me packing because I posted my times on this forum!
This must be a new low for mr le roux!

Although I was only gunna do another few laps still can't believe it, lowest of the low! Oh well onwards and upwards

[shimmy]

Thanks mate. Would never had dried chucked it down.

Jonny sent me packing because I posted my times on this forum!
This must be a new low for mr le roux!

Although I was only gunna do another few laps still can't believe it, lowest of the low! Oh well onwards and upwards


as i feared, not really what members or contributors are supposed to do, its like having the Stazi breathing down our necks

[83SY]

If had stayed dry would have been pissed off but a rain soaked caterham covered track wasn't that appealing and we planned to leave at 3pm

Safe to say I won't be tracking with bat again

[Mark CSL]

He has been Banned for using the site after he used the Lap Times to boot a member from a Track day.:moan:

I say we dont use them in the future, as it does no harm to try and better your self. after all thats what trackday driving is all about :beer:


Its good to see this chap back out :ban::ban::ban::ban::ban::ban:

[shimmy]

I think good decision Mark. I can put up with alot but someone using the site to find a reason to make good his threat, when he ads nothing to the forum, is not needed.

[northernjim]

just heard thru a reliable source this thread may still have legs :whistle:

somebody has just been chucked off!



:hahaha::clown::whistle:



Thanks mate. Would never had dried chucked it down.

Jonny sent me packing because I posted my times on this forum!
This must be a new low for mr le roux!

Although I was only gunna do another few laps still can't believe it, lowest of the low! Oh well onwards and upwards

Firstly - fast times Si:beer:

Secondly - I would have been disappointed if you didn't get chucked off for posting them up on here, after the way both of you have been 'talking' too each other. You dared him... and then clearly broke the rules.

Thirdly - The whole thread has been embarrassing, I know its easy to misunderstand our great languages subtle nuances,and inflections when its translated from mouth to keyboard....but really:(



fourthly - feck I must be getting old to dissapprove of a little bit of :smt062:hahaha:

[northernjim]

I think good decision Mark. I can put up with alot but someone using the site to find a reason to make good his threat, when he ads nothing to the forum, is not needed.

Do you put up with me?:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[shimmy]

Do you put up with me?:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

You contribute loads Jim.......boyish good looks, pin up material :hahaha:

[83SY]

Agreed jim it did go too far and end up playground tit for tat crap.
I am surprised at his comments considering his position within the track day sense but I'm done talking about JR

On the plus side car behaved well love donington & looking forward to 31/8



:hahaha::clown::whistle:





Firstly - fast times Si:beer:

Secondly - I would have been disappointed if you didn't get chucked off for posting them up on here, after the way both of you have been 'talking' too each other. You dared him... and then clearly broke the rules.

Thirdly - The whole thread has been embarrassing, I know its easy to misunderstand our great languages subtle nuances,and inflections when its translated from mouth to keyboard....but really:(



fourthly - feck I must be getting old to dissapprove of a little bit of :smt062:hahaha:

[northernjim]

You contribute loads Jim.......boyish good looks, pin up material :hahaha:

Technical knowledge sorely lacking I know.. but ask me a question about best spade technique and I'm your man:hahaha:

[O'Neill]

Good time:supz:

Was there any awkward moments with Jonny, did you speak to him, did he personally put your wrist band on extra tight:-D

[83SY]

He has been Banned for using the site after he used the Lap Times to boot a member from a Track day.:moan:

I say we dont use them in the future, as it does no harm to try and better your self. after all thats what trackday driving is all about :beer:


Its good to see this chap back out :ban::ban::ban::ban::ban::ban:

Thanks mark. Completely up to you guys who you track with but going forward my money will be going elsewhere.

The only other TD company I have used is Goldtrack & the organisers were lovely people & the day was run perfectly

+ looking forward to opentrack day as I've only heard good things about Daves track days

[83SY]

Good time:supz:

Was there any awkward moments with Jonny, did you speak to him, did he personally put your wrist band on extra tight:-D

No bud, the girls at signing on were very polite
JR's drivers briefing was typical JR loving the sound of his own voice

Until i got the boot I didn't see him :smt055

The ironic thing was all the caterhams had lap timing equipment clearly in use lol

[shimmy]

Technical knowledge sorely lacking I know.. but ask me a question about best spade technique and I'm your man:hahaha:


sorry mate...lost on me and too difficult to google! :wink:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

You contribute loads Jim.......boyish good looks, pin up material :hahaha:
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

To be fair, and I will be completely honest.

I thought Bookatrack stance to begin with was justified, you can fully understand their view. Well I can. But their handling of the situation and their response was not justified.

Jonny has come across as a complete and utter fuckwit, especially kicking you off the track.

My basic psychology understanding predicted the outcome. I was slightly out on the reason;)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Now Mark has banned him, does that mean all CSL's are banned from Bookatrack :whistle:

[83SY]

To be fair, and I will be completely honest.

I thought Bookatrack stance to begin with was justified, you can fully understand their view. Well I can. But their handling of the situation and their response was not justified.

Jonny has come across as a complete and utter fuckwit, especially kicking you off the track.

My basic psychology understanding predicted the outcome. I was slightly out on the reason;)

I can see your point of view given that yes he has a 7day rule but if he doesn't answer the phone all weekend and doesn't ring you back should it be a 9 day rule. I did try and contact him this weekend to make sure my day hadn't been cancelled and again no answer.

I would have taken a credit not if he hadn't of been so rude & insulting towards me & family. Im going over old ground on this matter (for the last time) but being in business myself i can't get my head around his thinking regrading being hard nosed & straight taking towards people because it comes across rude and arrogant. I wouldn't dream of talking/treating my customers that way because without them I'm screwed...!

Getting sent home was beyond belief when I'm pitted next to a catherham that had a 1500 timing system! Maybe my wife in the stands with her I phone stop watch was just too much! Either way I'm home in one piece with a smile on my face so happy days!

[petery]

Now Mark has banned him, does that mean all CSL's are banned from Bookatrack :whistle:

I very much doubt that..............

timing on a track day? no surprise you were thrown off, one of the first rules of track days with which ever company you use. It invalidates their insurance and its not worth the risk to them.
Others may have been timing but keeping it to themselves so not really a problem.
83SY came on here and publicly showed he was timing, whichever way you look at it that was breaking the rules of the day and they had every right to throw you off that as i would hope they would do with anyone doing the same.

I will be using BaT again and will be first choice for any of my future track days.

[Mark CSL]

I very much doubt that..............

timing on a track day? no surprise you were thrown off, one of the first rules of track days with which ever company you use. It invalidates their insurance and its not worth the risk to them.
Others may have been timing but keeping it to themselves so not really a problem.
83SY came on here and publicly showed he was timing, whichever way you look at it that was breaking the rules of the day and they had every right to throw you off that as i would hope they would do with anyone doing the same.

I will be using BaT again and will be first choice for any of my future track days.

So for taking sake if your m8 times your laps from the pit lane the car being timed should go home ???

Thats pish with all the tools to post times from mobile phones and the like
Its posible to post times for every car that is doing a lap at any track in the world as it happens.

It looks like BaT just wanted to piss him off after the fall out
but he spat the dummy and to use the site as a way to do it was
SHIT thats why he got a BAN.

You and any body on this site can use them but there will be a few members wont inc me.

[petery]

So for taking sake if your m8 times your laps from the pit lane the car being timed should go home ???

Thats pish with all the tools to post times from mobile phones and the like
Its posible to post times for every car that is doing a lap at any track in the world as it happens.

It looks like BaT just wanted to piss him off after the fall out
but he spat the dummy and to use the site as a way to do it was
SHIT thats why he got a BAN.

You and any body on this site can use them but there will be a few members wont inc me.

That's all well and good and yes timing is possible in many ways but NO timing on track days is a rule that is in place, we can all take the risk to time but we have to suffer the consequences if we get caught.
I don't see it as any different to speeding on the road, we all take the risk and do it sometimes but if we get caught you take the punishment.

If its a mate doing it on the pit wall i think that is a little bit different, but keeping it to yourself until the end of the day is really not that hard.

83SY would never have been thrown off the day if he hadn't posted the times during the day. If he'd waited until he left then nothing would have been done about it and you could all go back to talking about a good time round Donington.

[83SY]

I very much doubt that..............

timing on a track day? no surprise you were thrown off, one of the first rules of track days with which ever company you use. It invalidates their insurance and its not worth the risk to them.
Others may have been timing but keeping it to themselves so not really a problem.
83SY came on here and publicly showed he was timing, whichever way you look at it that was breaking the rules of the day and they had every right to throw you off that as i would hope they would do with anyone doing the same.

I will be using BaT again and will be first choice for any of my future track days.

I'm sure you time your laps Petery? Yes wrong to post them, lesson learn!
But there was at least 10 catherhams brimming with timing equipment & unless JR walks around with his eyes closed he knew that..

All that to one side BaT has so many of these catherhams buzzing round it drives you mad especially when 90% of them don't looks in their mirrors & move over! + in the wet they are all over the shop!

Enjoy your future track days & give JR my love

[petery]

I'm sure you time your laps Petery? Yes wrong to post them, lesson learn!
But there was at least 10 catherhams brimming with timing equipment & unless JR walks around with his eyes closed he knew that..

All that to one side BaT has so many of these catherhams buzzing round it drives you mad especially when 90% of them don't looks in their mirrors & move over! + in the wet they are all over the shop!

Enjoy your future track days & give JR my love

I do time my laps yes, as do 90% of the people on most track days and it is very hard for anyone to police and I'm not saying you were wrong to time but putting the times on a public forum could cause the track day organiser to have major problems if there was an accident/incident that involved their insurance company as they could prove that timing was happening invalidating their insurance. This applies to every organiser not just BaT.

when running a business it's just not worth the risk.

I'm pretty sure most of the Caterham's out on the track today were Academy drivers so pretty new to this driving on track stuff.
Not all us Caterham drivers are the same........

[shane@mbtech]

I can see your point of view given that yes he has a 7day rule but if he doesn't answer the phone all weekend and doesn't ring you back should it be a 9 day rule. I did try and contact him this weekend to make sure my day hadn't been cancelled and again no answer.

I would have taken a credit not if he hadn't of been so rude & insulting towards me & family. Im going over old ground on this matter (for the last time) but being in business myself i can't get my head around his thinking regrading being hard nosed & straight taking towards people because it comes across rude and arrogant. I wouldn't dream of talking/treating my customers that way because without them I'm screwed...!

Getting sent home was beyond belief when I'm pitted next to a catherham that had a 1500 timing system! Maybe my wife in the stands with her I phone stop watch was just too much! Either way I'm home in one piece with a smile on my face so happy days!

That was my point in the way the situation was handled, Im not saying you were wrong.

In business you have to think of the future and the way the current climate is, more so. Shortsighted on there part me thinks.

He would have been better biting his tongue, we all have to from time to time.

Regardless what his friends/supporters might say, and as I say to begin with I could see their point, he has not won himself any customers IMO, only possibly lost some.

You are allowed to film at trackdays and reviewing film will tell you how fast you completed a lap in, does not mean you are timing.

Good times by the way, you have Shimmy worried now.:gayfight:

My best in the GTR was 1.19,07 in the morning. Standard car, and nice and smooth driving. I think I did 1.20 with Yanto in, it was too easy tbh in that thing, and thats part the reason I sold it, it could have gone far quicker, but was not so rewarding on track and would cost a mortgage every trackday. That was first time out in the car.

I am tempted to get booked on this:smokin:

[83SY]

I do time my laps yes, as do 90% of the people on most track days and it is very hard for anyone to police and I'm not saying you were wrong to time but putting the times on a public forum could cause the track day organiser to have major problems if there was an accident/incident that involved their insurance company as they could prove that timing was happening invalidating their insurance. This applies to every organiser not just BaT.

when running a business it's just not worth the risk.

I'm pretty sure most of the Caterham's out on the track today were Academy drivers so pretty new to this driving on track stuff.
Not all us Caterham drivers are the same........

Ohh your a catherham driver, so your part of the family.

You seem to forget he has gone out of his way to look for an excuse to send me packing!!! Lesson learnt regarding the times posted but have a little look on some other forums & yes in the track section alot of talk regarding lap times etc

[Mark CSL]

That's all well and good and yes timing is possible in many ways but NO timing on track days is a rule that is in place, we can all take the risk to time but we have to suffer the consequences if we get caught.
I don't see it as any different to speeding on the road, we all take the risk and do it sometimes but if we get caught you take the punishment.

If its a mate doing it on the pit wall i think that is a little bit different, but keeping it to yourself until the end of the day is really not that hard.

83SY would never have been thrown off the day if he hadn't posted the times during the day. If he'd waited until he left then nothing would have been done about it and you could all go back to talking about a good time round Donington.

Wont matter now its all over but i am sure almost all CSL and Track drivers love to know there lap time.

There are other ways he could have delt with this he could have refunded him and taken the % and had a happy customer all he done was get some bad PR that could cost him a lot more than the money he got.

A happy customer is worth any amount when you run a company
even when they are wrong :-D

[3wheels3]

I did a 1m 17.1s today and I never got kicked of Donny.

I hope he had more on yer than that...

[83SY]

I did a 1m 17.1s today and I never got kicked of Donny.

I hope he had more on yer than that...

He also said he didn't like the way I'd styled my hair, fair reason for sending me home if you've seen my hair!

[Mark CSL]

He also said he didn't like the way I'd styled my hair, fair reason for sending me home if you've seen my hair!

:smt046:smt046:smt046

[83SY]

Wont matter now its all over but i am sure almost all CSL and Track drivers love to know there lap time.

There are other ways he could have delt with this he could have refunded him and taken the % and had a happy customer all he done was get some bad PR that could cost him a lot more than the money he got.

A happy customer is worth any amount when you run a company
even when they are wrong :-D

Totally agree with that regarding a happy customer. I've had my fair share of horrible customers & i wouldn't like to socialise with them but they do pay my mortgage & pump up the track day fund!

[83SY]

Thanks, only managed to get 3 sessions in before the rain

Come on get booked up! Fingers crossed we get some sunshine!

I need some more camber, bit of under steer & touch too soft through the fast bitz! Intrax needed

That was my point in the way the situation was handled, Im not saying you were wrong.

In business you have to think of the future and the way the current climate is, more so. Shortsighted on there part me thinks.

He would have been better biting his tongue, we all have to from time to time.

Regardless what his friends/supporters might say, and as I say to begin with I could see their point, he has not won himself any customers IMO, only possibly lost some.

You are allowed to film at trackdays and reviewing film will tell you how fast you completed a lap in, does not mean you are timing.

Good times by the way, you have Shimmy worried now.:gayfight:

My best in the GTR was 1.19,07 in the morning. Standard car, and nice and smooth driving. I think I did 1.20 with Yanto in, it was too easy tbh in that thing, and thats part the reason I sold it, it could have gone far quicker, but was not so rewarding on track and would cost a mortgage every trackday. That was first time out in the car.

I am tempted to get booked on this:smokin:

[shimmy]

I am tempted to get booked on this:smokin:


If you do I think we will both be trying to hang onto 83SY coat tails :-D

But on a positive note a bit like Wiggins and Cavendish, we should be able to all get some great laps in and some good times.

Remind me to book my insurance :(:whistle:

[Barry C]

Fu king hell.

This thread is a case study in how a small situation becomes a big situation if not managed properly.

This should be case study for college kids on how not to run a business.

That book a track douche bag is going to lose a lot more than 300 quid through bad publicity. He shouldn't have let emotion get in the way, kicking him off the track for a minor infringement was really immature.

What an idiot.

[shimmy]

Fu king hell.

This thread is a case study in how a small situation becomes a big situation if not managed properly.

This should be case study for college kids on how not to run a business.

That book a track douche bag is going to lose a lot more than 300 quid through bad publicity. He shouldn't have let emotion get in the way, kicking him off the track for a minor infringement was really immature.

What an idiot.

He doesn't care. He truely doesn't care. I think he thinks hell be alright without all the feckers who he upsets so feck em, he doesn't need them.

He may be right. He may not. :119:

[83SY]

If you do I think we will both be trying to hang onto 83SY coat tails :-D

But on a positive note a bit like Wiggins and Cavendish, we should be able to all get some great laps in and some good times.

Remind me to book my insurance :(:whistle:

It's not competitive shim & remember no timing!

I'm going on a diet until 31/8 I'm sure I could loose a few pounds! Remove the hello kitty carpet mats & leopard print seat covers & that should be another tenth.....

[shane@mbtech]

It's not competitive shim & remember no timing!

I'm going on a diet until 31/8 I'm sure I could loose a few pounds! Remove the hello kitty carpet mats & leopard print seat covers & that should be another tenth.....

See if you had leopard print carpet mats and hello Kitty seat covers like we have, Jonny Lego would never have kicked you off:smokin:

[83SY]

See if you had leopard print carpet mats and hello Kitty seat covers like we have, Jonny Lego would never have kicked you off:smokin:

You could have given me the heads up before I got given the bus pass! :finga:

Car booked in to have the oil slick button fitted for when shimmy's riding my arse down through the curves.... :smokin:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I am with MARK CSL and won't be using them :-D

[Yanto]

That was my point in the way the situation was handled, Im not saying you were wrong.

In business you have to think of the future and the way the current climate is, more so. Shortsighted on there part me thinks.

He would have been better biting his tongue, we all have to from time to time.

Regardless what his friends/supporters might say, and as I say to begin with I could see their point, he has not won himself any customers IMO, only possibly lost some.

You are allowed to film at trackdays and reviewing film will tell you how fast you completed a lap in, does not mean you are timing.

Good times by the way, you have Shimmy worried now.:gayfight:

My best in the GTR was 1.19,07 in the morning. Standard car, and nice and smooth driving. I think I did 1.20 with Yanto in, it was too easy tbh in that thing, and thats part the reason I sold it, it could have gone far quicker, but was not so rewarding on track and would cost a mortgage every trackday. That was first time out in the car.

I am tempted to get booked on this:smokin:

To be fair, I prob cost you 3secs a lap mate....















(cue Shim)

[shane@mbtech]

To be fair, I prob cost you 3secs a lap mate....

(cue Shim)

I dont know how it felt from the passenger seat, but it was effortless for me, it was fast dont get me wrong.

but because we dont get a winners cheque, trackdays for me are a balance between going as fast as possible in the car but having great fun with great feedback thrown in. The GTR just went fast. There is a reason why Im back in a CSL;) (again:hahaha:) even got my business partner infected, he has one now too.

[Yanto]

I dont know how it felt from the passenger seat, but it was effortless for me, it was fast dont get me wrong.

but because we dont get a winners cheque, trackdays for me are a balance between going as fast as possible in the car but having great fun with great feedback thrown in. The GTR just went fast. There is a reason why Im back in a CSL;) (again:hahaha:) even got my business partner infected, he has one now too.

It was mega mate, very, very quick but felt almost too effortless....if you know what I mean.

[Mark CSL]

I dont know how it felt from the passenger seat, but it was effortless for me, it was fast dont get me wrong.

but because we dont get a winners cheque, trackdays for me are a balance between going as fast as possible in the car but having great fun with great feedback thrown in. The GTR just went fast. There is a reason why Im back in a CSL;) (again:hahaha:) even got my business partner infected, he has one now too.


Great Car the CSL and better the second or third time round

[83SY]

I dont know how it felt from the passenger seat, but it was effortless for me, it was fast dont get me wrong.

but because we dont get a winners cheque, trackdays for me are a balance between going as fast as possible in the car but having great fun with great feedback thrown in. The GTR just went fast. There is a reason why Im back in a CSL;) (again:hahaha:) even got my business partner infected, he has one now too.

The fact you've gone to a GTR and come back speaks volumes for the CSL. I'm sure the GTR is an impressive bit of kit but IMO i feel very connected with a CSL, gives great feedback & yes it's big power/rear wheel drive but it gives you fair warning before you get past the point of no return!

I've had a wheel speed sensor out for a couple of months now so all TC off which is hairy in the wet! Wouldn't have it any other way tho!

Would love a go it a GTR and fair play you've ticked the box but I'd imagine he CSL is back for good? Especially after all the work you've done on it!