CSL Sub-frame cracks

[hoshy]

Hi guys,

Some of you may remember, I'm relatively new to the CSL world. And I was not cimpletely in love with my CSL in the beginning...

This is changing - with every mountain pass I thrash over :D

Anyway - I had a clunking that turned out to be diff output shafts and whilst at a seemingly good M dealer in Regensburg (birthplace of my CSL I believe!) I asked about the subframe epoxy repair.

The TIS doc he referenced says this was only a problem on pre-2000 E46 cars and thus I don't need it. I have asked him to investigate if it's worth doing on the CSL - just to be sure.

Here is a doc that supports his claims: http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag65/e46_subframe_tis.pdf

What do you guys think - any experiences with this?

Cheers

[azrael]

I believe that doc has been superseded and yes it is worth having your car checked

[s.mac]

Mines just been repaired under warranty so I would say he is incorrect

[Trawler]

That article brings back memories. Thought at the time why would a learner driver cause problems.

[shimmy]

Mine was fixed in 2009 :-D

[Trawler]

Mine was fixed in 2009 :-D

Was that the time you were learning to drive. :hahaha:

[shimmy]

Was that the time you were learning to drive. :hahaha:

No, that was 2010 :smokin:

[hoshy]

Here was the response from a BMW dealer in Germany:

"I talk about the auxiliary frame with the workshop master and he says that the repair ( Expoid? ) is not good for this car. The M3 have been a better auxiliary frame and with the Expoid is it maybe to hard."

They seem to not want to do the repair, even if I pay. I assume because, at least from their info, it's not necessary.

I used to get pissed off with my E36 M3 Evo for eating rear top mounts but I'd rather have that problem any day of the week! I could change them in 30 minutes flat... once even on a Ferry between between boarding and departure :)

[shimmy]

if you are on about cracks in thr body floor under the rear subframe then they are lying to you

there is a bmw TIS and sucessful US law suit and id guess they have fixed 100s

[hoshy]

Well, yes - but they're saying it's only for pre-2000 cars - and the only TIS document I found supports this - where is the updated version?

[_Nathan_]

My floor had cracked in my CSL.

The fact that loads of people on here have had to have it done on cars built in 2003 should supersede any TIS document...

[Jon8710]

Mines just been repaired under warranty so I would say he is incorrect

iv just recently entered the CSL world and im aware of the issues with the subframe but what are the tell tell noises coming from the rear of the car ?
or is it somthing you just need to give to the dealer to see if they can see ?

[shimmy]

iv just recently entered the CSL world and im aware of the issues with the subframe but what are the tell tell noises coming from the rear of the car ?
or is it somthing you just need to give to the dealer to see if they can see ?

i had no symptoms but some have tapping ir creakiing noises from the rear

cracks mainly start in two locations in hard to see points under car near two if the subframe mounting locations

if bad they appear in the boot so strip out boot and have a good look at the floor first

[83SY]

I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if im going over old ground but im guessing this is covered under Warranty if you have the Fully comp' insurance with BMW?

[northernjim]

Its covered in the "car not fit for purpose so we will repair it for free so you don't slag us off to the world" section of bmw's terms and conditions:hahaha: ( car must be under 10 years old tho apparently)

[billyboysm3]

I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if im going over old ground but im guessing this is covered under Warranty if you have the Fully comp' insurance with BMW?

And I would get BMW to check it before you fit Intrax.

[83SY]

And I would get BMW to check it before you fit Intrax.

Thanks Bill. Simpsons had a peak and said its ok at the moment.

Is it covered with OEM suspension on?