BMW Car Track Day Photos

[englebert]

Great day today, nice to get the car back on circuit after my last shunt! When i arrived there were a few too many chavs around for my liking, but everyone i spoke to was actually really nice. Only problem for me was the disappointing Ferodo pads again.

I got a few snaps in between swapping over with my dad, here they are...

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Hope to see you all again on track soon!

Cheers,

Rob

[glendog74]

Nice one mate - looks like you had fun in the 'dry'! :thumbs: Who was the other CSL in the pics?

[englebert]

I'm not sure if he is a member but it was a guy from Leeds, it was a standard car but with Brembos all round. I think his RTABs were shot as he was struggling a bit round Brands.

I only took photos for a few mins, but there was the WTCC style wrapped CSL, Tom Houlbrooks, one which was S7* CSL and maybe another one. Also a Turbo'd and Nitrous powered M3 i missed out!

[bryce]

Looks fun, shame that old E30 is kicking your ass :whistle:

[E46ACS]

Looks like you had a good day Rob.

Good pictures. You got lucky with the weather!

Car is looking sweet!!!

[E46ACS]

I really like the last 3 pictures, seeing 2 CSL's on the track in action!!! :thumbs:

[houlbt]

I'm not sure if he is a member but it was a guy from Leeds, it was a standard car but with Brembos all round. I think his RTABs were shot as he was struggling a bit round Brands.

Y, looked like that...I know Jags had a chat with him about some of his handling issues and I think he may be dropping the car in for some work in the morning.

Your car went well Rob... certainly well peddled on some of the laps I witnessed.

[Andyk]

Nice pics, love seeing pics of classic BMW's....especially the E30 M3's. Looks like you had fun. :thumbs:

[englebert]

Yeah, always liked the E30s. Curiously i think the fastest non-race one was in fact the convertible one. It also sounded almost CSL-esque!

My favourite was the 2002 though.

Thanks Tom, well done to you Piers and Stephan for taking out people on free rides. I would have charged a fiver a pop myself :hahaha:

[GT TWO]

Had a text earlier to ask if I was ok as someone had an 'off' on this day.

Unfortunately I didnt make it but apparently there was an incident with a CSL.

Hope whoever did is ok.

[E46ACS]

Had a text earlier to ask if I was ok as someone had an 'off' on this day.

Unfortunately I didnt make it but apparently there was an incident with a CSL.

Hope whoever did is ok.

Yeah, I have read somewhere that there was a CSL on its side in the gravel trap at brands......

[GT TWO]

Had a text earlier to ask if I was ok as someone had an 'off' on this day.

Unfortunately I didnt make it but apparently there was an incident with a CSL.

Hope whoever did is ok.

Yeah, I have read somewhere that there was a CSL on its side in the gravel trap at brands......

Sh1t not good.

[englebert]

Not on its side, but hit the wall damaging the side panels, but supposedly whoever it was drove it home.

[Mark CSL]

An off in a CSL now that will bring in the credit crunch for the owner

[shimmy]

the geezer was ok and car looked worse than it was i think, but you never know until you get it stripped

front left impact and side panels and windows damaged but roof, bonnet and rear looked fine

engine sounded good and no fluid leak plus wheels were all good and seemed to be ok geo at least to drive home

will be a few grand but car looked solid tbh

[Gastro]

guy was ok and car looked worse than it was i think, but you never know until you get it stripped

front left impact and side panels and windows damaged but roof, bonnet and rear looked fine

engine sounded good and no fluid leak plus wheels were all good and seemed to be ok geo at least to drive home

will be a few grand but car looked solid tbh

GuyR ?
Doesn't have much luck with his cars :bigcry:

[houlbt]

no, I think he means 'the guy was ok', it wasn't GuyR's car.

[shimmy]

no, I think he means 'the guy was ok', it wasn't GuyR's car.

yes i am turning into Doom speak missing out all my 'the' and 'a', too much time with the Baff

dont know the guy whose car it was but certainly NOT that car

( i have edited it to be corect)

[shimmy]

by the way Tom, i popped into the garage at Brands to say hello but you were busy doing your Hans device ready to go out so didnt bother you.

Next time :blalalala:

[GT TWO]

pics on Z3mcoupe.com

[englebert]

LOL, someone on the Z3 forum thought it was me... almost like they presume i am a hooligan :whistle:

Considering i've just fixed mine with a lot less damage than that i fear the guy is going to have a pretty big bill coming his way. Feel for the guy, never nice!

[E46ACS]

Not pretty. But mostly looks like panel damage. Looks like his biggest problem will be the months of waiting for a replacement front bumper.

[E46ACS]

Anyone told him about this forum? Keep himself occupied whilst waiting for the repairs!

[houlbt]

by the way Tom, i popped into the garage at Brands to say hello but you were busy doing your Hans device ready to go out so didnt bother you.

Next time :blalalala:

You should have done... would have been good to meet the person who never posts anything sensible on M-Torque. Next time do come & say hello, I could have taken you out in the racecar.

T

[houlbt]

Not pretty. But mostly looks like panel damage. Looks like his biggest problem will be the months of waiting for a replacement front bumper.

Yes a little bit painful... if anyone gets his contact details pls send him my way, I would show him a cash bid for that car.

[E46ACS]

Although having a closer look..... that front wheel looks like its at an angle, could more damage there than just panel damage. It also looks like all the airbags deployed.

Not going to be a small repair bill that one! :bigcry:

[E46ACS]

And he may not have had track insurance..... :bigcry:

[englebert]

The wishbones are as soft as cheese, so if he has to replace one i wouldn't be surprised. You'd have to get the geometry done as a matter of course... it all adds up i'm afraid.

[houlbt]

I made a few calls... apparently not insured, hasa colleague who's going to help him repair it. He doesn't sound interested in selling it to me to build a racecar. :(

[neil]

i looking into track insurance and it worked out cheaper to crash :bigcry:

[shimmy]

You should have done... would have been good to meet the person who never posts anything sensible on M-Torque. Next time do come & say hello, I could have taken you out in the racecar.

T

:bigcry:





You should have done... would have been good to meet the person who never posts anything sensible on M-Torque. Next time do come & say hello, I could have taken you out in the racecar.

T




:thumbs:

next time!

[shimmy]

by the way Tom, i popped into the garage at Brands to say hello but you were busy doing your Hans device ready to go out so didnt bother you.

Next time :blalalala:

You should have done... would have been good to meet the person who never posts anything sensible on M-Torque. Next time do come & say hello, I could have taken you out in the racecar.

T

Tom, if you want a sensible post then i think for anybody to post a picture of somebody elses damaged car is poor show and i would have trouble/feel gulilty taking the pic let alone posting it on a CSL forum.

Thankfully over at MT they have withdrawn it and would hope the same would happen here.

[houlbt]

To be fair I tend to agree.... I personally wouldn't post a picture of another persons misfortune.

[windy]

Apologies. Is it ok to continue talking of pouncing on his misfortune and making a track car of it?

It's taking me a while to get the rules here, but I take it any negativity towards a BMW M3 CSL is not allowed, especially comments regarding depreciation of a BMW M3 CSL. It's ok to talk about a damaged BMW M3 CSL, but posting a picture so that users can see more clearly what's being discussed is not allowed. And it's ok to discuss benefiting from a damaged BMW M3 CSL owners misfortune by bagging a cheap car?

Great, all clear.

[Mark CSL]

I only remove posts if the owner wants it removed
you can post pix and talk about most things
(IF I LIKE IT ):hahaha:


As BT say it is good to talk :whistle:

[shimmy]

Apologies. Is it ok to continue talking of pouncing on his misfortune and making a track car of it?

It's taking me a while to get the rules here, but I take it any negativity towards a BMW M3 CSL is not allowed, especially comments regarding depreciation of a BMW M3 CSL. It's ok to talk about a damaged BMW M3 CSL, but posting a picture so that users can see more clearly what's being discussed is not allowed. And it's ok to discuss benefiting from a damaged BMW M3 CSL owners misfortune by bagging a cheap car?

Great, all clear.

Windy

TBH i was mainly aiming it at the MT thread which started with the picture.

But as you bring i up, i dont think any post about this subject really entertaining and if you do then thats your and the others opinion and not much i can do about it,

there are many reasons why track day cars involved in damage on track are not discussed too heavily and pictures not posted and one day when you have thought about it for a minute or two, that bulb may just light up above your head.

Until then carry on, as there are many different people in this world.

[shimmy]

I only remove posts if the owner wants it removed
you can post pix and talk about most things
(IF I LIKE IT ):hahaha:


As BT say it is good to talk :whistle:

Mark

i can relate to that however same policy at MT and as it has been removed i think you could probably guess who's asked!!

[Mark CSL]

I can under stand why
No 1 wants there car all over the net if it is damaged or a doggy history

I bought the P1 CSL and everone on MT said it was a dog
it was a great car and it cost me 21K and after 6 months i sold it for 28k
so it was a great car to me :thumbs:

[Rags]

I know the guy in question through my mate

He is fixing the car.

[GT TWO]

The pics should not have been taken in the first place

[csl_mba]

Is the damaged csl one of those in the pictures on the first page?

[Rags]

The pics should not have been taken in the first place

I think in this day and age, avoiding people taking photos at track days is becoming increasingly difficult.

The photos were taken by one of the chaps on the ZM Forum...

[GT TWO]

The pics should not have been taken in the first place

I think in this day and age, avoiding people taking photos at track days is becoming increasingly difficult.

The photos were taken by one of the chaps on the ZM Forum...

Rags, taking pics is not the point mate, taking pics of someone's misfortune and putting it on the WWW is F'ing stupid, see my post on other forum.

[shimmy]

Rags, taking pics is not the point mate, taking pics of someone's misfortune and putting it on the WWW is F'ing stupid, see my post on other forum.

x2

[englebert]

In principle i agree, but perhaps the photographer asked permission?

[GT TWO]

In principle i agree, but perhaps the photographer asked permission?

He did not, thats why the pics have been pulled.

[Rags]

Yeah, one if the guys on the forum took the photos then the owner wanted them deleted.

Anyway, its not like you can identify the identity of the owner or the car itself/

[houlbt]

Apologies. Is it ok to continue talking of pouncing on his misfortune and making a track car of it?

It's taking me a while to get the rules here, but I take it any negativity towards a BMW M3 CSL is not allowed, especially comments regarding depreciation of a BMW M3 CSL. It's ok to talk about a damaged BMW M3 CSL, but posting a picture so that users can see more clearly what's being discussed is not allowed. And it's ok to discuss benefiting from a damaged BMW M3 CSL owners misfortune by bagging a cheap car?

Great, all clear.

Is it an opportunity for me to build a racecar - yes.
Did this arise from someone elses misfortune - yes.

However, I maintain this is the best option now open to said owner. He would be better placed to sell the car as is at circa £10k and put the money he would have/will spend fixing it (I estimate £12-£16k) towards buying an uncrashed example.

Either way, I've know who's car it was and been in touch. He's chosen to repair it and I wish him the best and will help if I can. The pictures in my mind were harmless as they didn't identify the specific car but given then owner asked for them to be taken down then it's only fair to respect those wishes.

[dave1]

you dont live in the real world!i bet you,d give £10k for it so would i!!
i think there would be a big que for that car at £10k its a £3k repair and £25k done hello!

iv seen smashed to **** csl,s make £18k

"i estimate £12k to £16k to repair it"
what planet are you on? i hope you dont try your hand a body work for a living!!

[Rags]

LOL

Its damaged goods regardless if it gets fixed.

It would never be the same again.

[houlbt]

i think there would be a big que for that car at £10k its a £3k repair and £25k done hello!

Jesus keep your pants on Dave... don't be so cocking aggressive. You're entitled to think my repair estimate is high but no way is it £3k as you said here and on Mtorque.

We're talking about putting the car back to as new with genuine panels right??

How much is a replacement CSL front bumper?
How much does it cost to refit curtain airbags?
How much does it cost to repair rear quarter panels?
Paint work, was gravel rash all over it.... if you want the car back to an as new standard you might well end up respraying the whole car to get a good even finish.
There was from what I could see (I was there were you?? )some front suspension damage, minor but non the less needed replacing and the car subsequently realigning.
Supply/fit replacement glass?
Wheel refurbishment?

If you can do it for £3k send me your details and I'll get the poor owner involved to get in touch about a quote. :clown:


iv seen smashed to **** csl,s make £18k

Really? recently? no, didn't think so... there are a couple of leggy but clean cars that have just changed hands for <£20k. Good cars are going for low £20k's ... so how can you justify paying much more than £10k for an accident damaged car in the current climate?

Or think of it another way... how much would you pay for a damaged and subsequently repaired car? Would you really want to pay more than £20k given you can buy an undamged one for that kind of money. That being the case how much can you justify paying for a damaged car???

And in case you wondered, no I won't be trying my hand a running a body shop, thanks for the cocking tip.

[dave1]

secondhand parts wing £50 door £50 quarter £100 bumper £500
£1000 worth of paint few bits and bob,s i may be £500 either way but i have been doing this a long time.

i may of over reacted but when i see people say things like £12 to £16k to repair its no wonder :hahaha:

that is light damage and would repair a treat

not going to argue about it :beer:

[houlbt]

secondhand parts wing £50 door £50 quarter £100 bumper £500
£1000 worth of paint few bits and bob,s i may be £500 either way but i have been doing this a long time.

:smt017

ok, so you want to save a few quid with second hand parts. You find me a secondhand good condition genuine BMW CSL front bumper for £500. I'd like one myself so please send me the details. If you can't find one phone BMW and ask them for a price on a replacement CSL front bumper... then tell me if your £500 either way is even close.

Also, if the rear quarter panel is in need of replacement that's not a small job is it? Correct me if I'm wrong as it's not my area of expertise but it's not like a front wing which is a bolt on replacement, I think it's a more involved process as it's one piece with the roof line?


Airbags?
Glass?
suspension?
etc..

Then after all this we are still stuck on the fact that there are undamaged cars trading at just under £20k now (sad to see as a CSL lover but true). Hence why I maintain that a circa £10k price is fair bid for a damaged car before repairs.

Maybe you have been doing this a long time, but either be more tactful or sort your numbers out before you flame someone....

Let's leave it at that. :heart:

[AlexGTT]

As a CSL enthusiast, regardless of values & costs, I'm just very sad to hear about this. I wish the owner the very best of luck getting his pride and joy repaired and back out on the road where it should be.

[dave1]

secondbumper for sale couple weeks ago £500 the parts are there if you look fitting of the quarter is in the paint price 1/4 glass is £60 air bags second hand £30 wishbone at the worst £200 still along way from £12 to £16k or are you not good at maths either if csl,s are so cheap now go and buy one and chop that up!

[Helli2020]

proper handbags ! :blalalala:

[DazBlackCSL]

Yup ... me thinking exactly the same :whistle:

Thought the MT forum was for war a peace posts with people losing it on email !!

[glendog74]

Thought the MT forum was for war a peace posts with people losing it on email !!

Lol, me too! That's why i avoid it usually :hahaha: :clown: :hahaha:

[DazBlackCSL]

:wink:

[s.mac]

I'm not sure if he is a member but it was a guy from Leeds, it was a standard car but with Brembos all round. I think his RTABs were shot as he was struggling a bit round Brands.



Its me :-D and the rear left was well shot, BM sport sorted the problems the next day but its a shame I had to wait till after the track day. I was running slicks by the time I was back in Leeds :119:
Tom thanks for the passenger lap that you sorted with Jags, all I can say is :thumbs: what a car it really showed me what a CSL can do :-D

now I need some 888's or cups :drool:

on another note I have a vorsteiner front bumper for half of the £500 estimated if the guy who pranged his wants a quick fix :wink:

one for Tim... its Steve from the ring (EvoT)... hows it going ... and you need to get it round a track mate :thumbs:

[englebert]

Glad you got it sorted out fella! Liked your Brembos by the way, looked classy in silver.

[E46ACS]

one for Tim... its Steve from the ring (EvoT)... hows it going ... and you need to get it round a track mate :thumbs:

STEVE!!!!! You nutter!!! Didn't realise that was you mate!

Already had it round Croft, and I 'found the limit' as well. :119: I was lucky enough to avoid the barriers though! :-D

[houlbt]

Found a couple more pics today....

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/houlbt/_DSC1058-1.jpg

[houlbt]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/houlbt/_DSC0700-1.jpg

[houlbt]

Yes the guy driving is tiny, no it wasn't me.... he's a quick peddler that Jags.

:)

[glendog74]

Great pics, i really love the CSL in white and it suits the red wheels just right - especially on track :-D

[E46ACS]

Is the white a wrap or a re-spray? If it is a wrap, how much was it?

[houlbt]

It's a wrap,both the white and red bits and give or take it was about £1500.

[david]

Highmast and myself got a go on a bran new track Around Paris, First test drives since built...

Pics are better than words

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/11/72/83/81/08fc2610.jpg

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/11/72/83/81/08fc2611.jpg

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/11/72/83/81/08fc2910.jpg

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[david]

more pics to come

[E46ACS]

It's a wrap,both the white and red bits and give or take it was about £1500.

Might treat myself to a wrap.......... :wink:

[E46ACS]

Highmast and myself got a go on a bran new track Around Paris, First test drives since built...


You lucky devil!!!!! :thumbs:

[Andyk]

Highmast and myself got a go on a bran new track Around Paris, First test drives since built...


You lucky devil!!!!! :thumbs:

;ooks like you had a lot of fun...Good work :thumbs:

[Highmast]

Something funny due to the tyre and the set up...in the morning with a very sleepy track, i was "really" faster than david wich one drive like "hollidays on ice" with his Sport cup and lowered car...
of course when sun came, situation reversed, and i could not follow his SG gone like a rocket...ggrrrrr!
advantage on this track, with PSS10 and Sport cup...too much! maybe more than 3 secondes by lap, and i know where is the accelerator pedal!!!
Normal you think, but that was interresant to see progress between a stock CSL and a full up grade one...when track came slowly dry.
I don't speak about the difference between the two drivers... :blalalala:
That was a good track day for us and for myself with a fantastic fight with the incredible audi R8. (stability, no spinning wheel (4WD), and no understeering even in short wet bend...so easy to drive, limit no fun)...i drive it during one session, the guy very cool let me did a test after the fight. (i 'll give a video link when ready...the end of the fight was funny!!!)
Definitly, the CSL is more enjoy to drive!

[glendog74]

Cool :smokin:

[SMD]

Looks great fun! :drool:

[david]

yep fun, but not in the morning, with wet track and 3°, couldn't get the cups heated up.. what a nightmare, and I was forced to let pass the dude with is black Csl... ( hightmast :birdman: )

Then, after lunch, the "darkside"( as the grey Csl) became the nightmare of all drivers on the track... :thumbs:

We all know that Grey csl are naturally faster than black ones... :-D :-D

[E46ACS]

We all know that Grey csl are naturally faster than black ones... :-D :-D

You KNOW that's true!!! :whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

This is why we love the CSL just for what it is a road car that is just NOT a road car !

There is something special about turning up in your day to day car and spanking much more exotic machinery !

[DazBlackCSL]

We all know that Grey csl are naturally faster than black ones... :-D :-D

You KNOW that's true!!! :whistle:

Hmmm now thats a challenge !

:drool:

[glendog74]

This is why we love the CSL just for what it is a road car that is just NOT a road car !

There is something special about turning up in your day to day car and spanking much more exotic machinery !

So true! :smt055 :supz:

[david]

this one is a good one... Highmast Vs R8 the last seconds of the video are the best.... :gayfight:

http://www.dailymotion.com/Zeerss/video/x7o44x_r8-chasing-csl-lfg_auto

[SMD]

Great Video! :smokin:

[Highmast]

this one is a good one... Highmast Vs R8 the last seconds of the video are the best.... :gayfight:

http://www.dailymotion.com/Zeerss/video/x7o44x_r8-chasing-csl-lfg_auto


yyesssss, funny at the end without damage, lucky! but dirty shoes after! :whistle:

and just one precision, what i think about the fastest colour for CSL: :birdman:
I remember at the end of the action (in the video) when oppened the door to see how deepy in the gravel i was, saw coming from the straight line david in his CSL with a big smile as the joker :clown: in batman...it was a really funny situation...but when you go fast it could happen, isn'it david!!!
be afraid of the darkside! upgrade coming soon on my car... : :whistle:

Definitly a good day...finished with 2 evo Mitsubishi against 2 CSL...
CSL wone of course, even one was with slick tires and 390 HP!!!
Looking for photos of the action...

[david]

but when you go fast it could happen, isn'it david!!!



I know that, i've already "stored" the car in a pitt and in the tire walls, smashed 2 front splitters and paint scratches on the rear fender.... but no body and paint work around, just some polish and all was clear again... :whistle:

[shimmy]

the R8 was looking at the clip a fair bit quicker if it had a clear run. You should have let her by and see how close you could get (i reckon 2 secs a lap difference)

[dave1]

great vid looked like any other quick audi to me quick in a straight line then mucho understeer :gayfight:

[englebert]

Before they were in the UK officially Max Biaggi had one at Brands and it was very quick, keeping up with my NSX which had APs and Nitrons. I was very impressed with it.

[a_Y]

houlbt,

more of your car PLEASE!!!!

[Andyk]

You would have thought the R8 would have got past on the straights....although not many long straights on that track.....Never been a fan of fast Audi's. Not driven an R8 but have driven plenty of RS models and found them very very fast but left me feeling cold...very souless cars.

[DazBlackCSL]

Totally agree with you Andy , had an S3 with 350BHP from Kim Collins , and V fast but didn't make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end :hahaha:

[englebert]

Seen this morning the V10 R8 is officially, am sure that will be quite a beast.

[Highmast]

a another link with a film taken inside my CSL on the new short track of "la ferté gaucher". a 3500 meters track longer, not very fast but funny...i did a lap in 1min53 later in the afternoon with a better grip.

http://www.dailymotion.com/Zeerss/video/x7oghp_m3-E46-csl_auto
(video is longer to upload, don't stress...)

[Mark CSL]

Highmast
I bet the evo was not expecting you up the inside :thumbs:

[Andyk]

Enjoyed that one :thumbs: ...always amazes me how good the CSL is. When the CSL came out over here it didn't meet with critical acclaim, but Europe put it up on a pedestal and rightly so.

[derek]

great video, gave me an idea how about a dvd of the best csl laps, i know Mark has a several and is a dap hand with dvd,s :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

Nice clip. Does the G get too much for the passenger at 2min 10secs. :hahaha: :wink:

[Curly]

looks tight circuit going there with a pall in march in a lotus s2