CSL Engine Rattle - Help

[nigelonich]

Had a look at some historic posts and Id appriciate some help>

Background> 2003 CSL with 65k miles bought with engine fault which resulted in fitting a 40k mile engine froma damaged CSL. Engine fitted and valve clearance service done at the same time but there were shims out which was a worry.
Current situation> valve clearances all good but engine sounds bad and mostly coming from around C5. Inspection shows damage to the cam and to the rocker but likely more damage on others.
Advice needed please>
1) I looked on you tube and there are some great videos of how to take the vaonos off and I wondered if I got a cam locking tool is it easy enough to replace the cams and rockers?
2) Do I need any extra special tools?
3) Already spent lots on this car and looking for the fit for purpose solution. So do i get a set of good used cams and new rockers from BMW or get a new set of Shrick and followers?
4) based on the above do I need a remap as I want to keep it right.
5) Anyone got the part i need?

Cheers in advance.
Nigel

[cantfind1]

Hi Nigel,

Best advice I can give you is to find the cause of the damage and the noise first before buying cams etc etc.

I would start with a compression and leak down test to see if the head gasket is intact especially between cylinders 5 and 6..

as for the damage to the cams and rockers its probably due to oil starvation, some CSL's have had this problem

I would not attempt to do the cams and rockers yourself....setting the timing on these takes skill!

No need to remap at this stage....first get it running 100%

[Mark CSL]

Hi Nigel
It sounds like the same as what went wrong with my engine
It got a new engine under warranty

Have you had the sump off to check the big end shells before you start buying cams ?

[nigelonich]

I have had a local specialist ex BMW technican do some work so far and he has confirmed the cam damage so hopeful that this is the extent.

Thanks for the feedback. I get the feeling another engine is the best option or a rebuild, EEEEKS!

Everything below the head is stock e46 m3 right?

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

If your going to change engine route, which
if you have confirmed cam damage, makes
sense [metal filings in oil].

If your wanting to keep the engine CSL Spec,
then you could purchase a S54 engine, and
fit your existing Exhaust valves and a pair of
replacement CSL cams.

With a good clean, a lot of your existing parts could
be salvaged, and you could retain for spares, or sell.

If your going to 'upgrade' with CR/Cams/Rods etc, then
if your existing block/crank are good, then your existing head
would clean up, you have good valves hopefully,
then its how far you go and how much you want to spend.

Unless your Racing then a stock rebuild makes sense.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shane@mbtech]

I have had a local specialist ex BMW technican do some work so far and he has confirmed the cam damage so hopeful that this is the extent.

Thanks for the feedback. I get the feeling another engine is the best option or a rebuild, EEEEKS!

Everything below the head is stock e46 m3 right?

Yes, only difference is one cam and exhaust valves.

Block/pistons etc are the same

[Niel333]

Hi Nigel
It sounds like the same as what went wrong with my engine
It got a new engine under warranty

Have you had the sump off to check the big end shells before you start buying cams ?

+1

[nigelonich]

Oh and told that taking cams off and replacing them involves removal of the head. Is this a fact?

Its all fiction before I have a look. Then it turns to fact.

[AlexGTT]

Oh and told that taking cams off and replacing them involves removal of the head. Is this a fact?

Its all fiction before I have a look. Then it turns to fact.

No.

[Pooky]

Oh and told that taking cams off and replacing them involves removal of the head. Is this a fact?

Its all fiction before I have a look. Then it turns to fact.

Replacing followers is head off. Just cams then no.

[nigelonich]

I have been offered a replacement CSL motor so as it was reasonably priced and warranted I have decided to take that option. By the time I buy cams, rockers, gaskets and apply either my time or someone elses its a break-even scenario really at best. Thats if there is no other issue of course.

A friend of mine and I started the motor last night and beween all information we have the motor needs a top end rebuild if its done right.

If anyone is interested in the motor that comes out let me know. It will be a 41k mile head block and sump bare with the issues described by me in this thread. Ill take a video/sound of the engine running or if your quick you can come round and listen!

Whimper

Nigel

[nigelonich]

Guys>

For the record this is what you dont want to hear from your CSL! Video with sound last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDPL26X0x8

Sounds just like this guys who has a similar problem on a stock M3 S54>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lfjpC4GFJA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lfjpC4GFJA)

[nigelonich]

Engine removed and new engine ready to go in. Takes a while to do but enjoying it a bit more now ive stopped crying.

Just waiting for new flywheel bolts from BMW.

Anyone got the torque setting as it wasnt clear on TIS.

Cheers

[nigelonich]

Some good news. Sold the old engine on Pistonheads in 30 mins.....:)

[azrael]

Some good news. Sold the old engine on Pistonheads in 30 mins.....:)

That is good going!

[nigelonich]

Can anyone tell me the torque settings for the flywheel bolts and for the four bolts that hold the front pulley on? I think its 115nm for the flywhel bolts but no idea what to use for the front pulley.
Cheers

[giraffe]

60NM then 50`, 50`For vibration damper ( 4 bolts ) . 120NM flywheel bolts

[nigelonich]

Thanks. We fittted the flywheel back on last night and got the pulley on. A satisfying moment when it made it to the bellhousing for a couple of amatuers like us!:thumbs:

[nigelonich]

Going great with the rebuild but>

Any idea what goes in this plug which is on the fule rail? We cant seem to find anything to plug into it and wondered if it was spare?

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/nigelonich/csl01.jpg


Thanks in advance.

[Mark CSL]

There is a wire and plug come up from below and it plugs in to this
Not sure where it goes with out removing the airbox

[nigelonich]

Thanks. Ill keep looking. Ive not fitted the airbox yet so it must be in there somewhere.

[nigelonich]

Found it hiding down behind the back of the head. Thanks.

[nigelonich]

Well, after a few long nights in the garage the moment came to turn the key. Ill be honest and say it didnt start at first and that was due to the earth strap not being connected to the block from the chassis. Easy fix and quickly found. No fault codes and started first time. The new engine sounds a million times better than the last one. Claimed to have only 18,000 miles on it and you can see its still very shiny in the clip.

Thanks for the help/advice from you all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kef99R0oWFU
:thumbs: