CSL & options - what is worth a premium?

[Florian]

I know it really depends on the country to know which option / color / material is worth a premium, but I wanted to get the question out there.

I am studying very closely buying a CSL, and I wonder what you would pay a premium for?

Here is a list of the options :
Exterior color - SG or SB - no premium either way in my opinion. I would prefer a SG thought
Mileage - worth a premium of low
Maintenance - not worth a premium if done in time
General shape - of course, worth a premium if excellent

No cost options

19” double spoke alloy wheels style 67M - would get the value down
Auto air conditioning - worth a premium if the car comes without it!
BMW Business radio - no premium
No model inscription
Graduated tint front windscreen
Smoker package

Cost options

Car alarm €430.00 - no premium
Climate comfort front windscreen €230.00 - no premium
Floor mats €100.00 - no premium
Park Distance Control (PDC) €400.00 - no premium
Rain sensor €110.00 - no premium
Headlamp wash €260.00 - no premium
(Bi-)Xenon headlights with headlamp wash €530.00 - no premium
Single CD €100.00 - no premium
Mini disc player €260.00 - no premium


Mileage - worth a premium of low
Maintenance - not worth a premium if done in time
General shape - of course, worth a premium if excellent

So, if I would get the perfect car : option less low mileage excellent condition SG. That would be worth a premium.

What are your thoughts on what would add / remove value of a car?

Input is appreciated :-)

Regards,

Florian

[ChrisCSL]

In my opinion, the PDC removes value.
It looks way better without it.

[E46CSL]

In my opinion, the PDC removes value.
It looks way better without it.


I would not buy car without it :-D

But I agree it looks a bit unsightly.

[Florian]

You mean the butt dimples? Yeah, doesn't look to good, but god is it practical!

I don't want it on my future CSL either, but if I found the right one and it comes with the PDC, I wouldn't mind it too much!

[Trawler]

I would not buy car without it :-D

But I agree it looks a bit unsightly.

So coming round to the fact SB looks better & also faster.

Normally hate air con but find the csl gets too hot without it.

[Florian]

So coming round to the fact SB looks better & also faster.

Normally hate air con but find the csl gets too hot without it.
Is SB the secret +10hp option on the CSL?
Aircon depends on where you live, and when you use the car!

[Trawler]

Is SB the secret +10hp option on the CSL?

No +15bhp that's why the SG guys are so jealous.

Aircon depends on where you live, and when you use the car!

Agree, but for some reason I find the csl too hot when I have no problem with our other car. Don't know if it's true, but someone said there is less bulk head insulation, hence more heat soak. Someone will be along soon to put that correct that myth.

[Florian]

So coming round to the fact SB looks better & also faster.

Normally hate air con but find the csl gets too hot without it.

Agree, but for some reason I find the csl too hot when I have no problem with our other car. Don't know if it's true, but someone said there is less bulk head insulation, hence more heat soak. Someone will be along soon to put that correct that myth.

Hmm.. Interesting, as I am looking to find one without aircon.

Are there any production numbers out there with the options that were chosen? Or will BMW never release them? It would be interesting to know which is rare.

I see a lot of cars with aircon & radio, which makes me think it is a very common option.

Florian.

[Mark CSL]

My car has aircon xenon lights auto wipers and rear sensors

But i would not buy a csl without aircon all the other options are a bonus but not worth more the big difference is miles and owners if you are looking at prices.


It is also a big thing that the running in service was before 2000 miles or if the car ever needs warranty on the engine bmw will not cover it.


And SB is faster thats why i sold my last 2 SG CSLs :gayfight:

[Mark CSL]

Are there any production numbers out there with the options that were chosen? Or will BMW never release them? It would be interesting to know which is rare.
Florian.


Bmw told us the CSLs were built to order so they would take them out the production line thats why they cant number them as they were not built in one run.

There was only 100 SB CSLs in the UK

[shane@mbtech]

Mine has no aircon, if it was a daily driver I might get a bit pissed off. But as its not it doesnt bother me in the slightest.

[Yanto]

Honestly....

Forget about everything except Xenons and aircon which I think are the bare essentials for an only car (mine is). If not, forget aircon.

Concentrate on maintenance and not necessarily mileage.

The cars are getting rarer by the day.

Few care about PDC or Auto wipers (or being honest, colour) as long as car is sound.

:thumbs:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Honestly....

Forget about everything except Xenons and aircon which I think are the bare essentials for an only car (mine is). If not, forget aircon.

Concentrate on maintenance and not necessarily mileage.

The cars are getting rarer by the day.

Few care about PDC or Auto wipers (or being honest, colour) as long as car is sound.

:thumbs:
Very True :thumbs:Always wanted a SG one as stood out more but found a SB that was too good to pass up.

[Florian]

But i would not buy a csl without aircon all the other options are a bonus but not worth more the big difference is miles and owners if you are looking at prices.
Forget about everything except Xenons and aircon which I think are the bare essentials for an only car (mine is). If not, forget aircon
Thanks for the input. I just love the look of the focused dash on the no-option no-aircon car!
http://www.audi4life.com/images/BWM/M3/2003_BMW_M3_CSL_E46_5.jpg
http://www.trndcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/BMW-E46-M3-CSL-Interior-Picture.jpg
http://img2.netcarshow.com/BMW-M3_CSL_2003_800x600_wallpaper_11.jpg
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu58/m3csl1_2009/csl5.jpg

Car will mainly be a garage queen / weekend short tour driver. I'm planning on keeping it in perfect shape.
What I mainly love is the masterpiece of engineering it is, and aircon kind of takes that away (in my opinion).
Also, aircon might be trouble down the road, as it might leak or whatever else it can do.

I'm torn about this :(

[Barry C]

it sounds like you want a car with no air con and no radio so if thats what you want, then I say go for it...personally I wanted a radio and aircon but each to their own.

don't worry about resale value. they'll all be worth loads of money in years to come regardless of aircon or no aircon etc. it'll make next to no difference

[shimmy]

why not buy the best car you. an afford and take out the aircon and radio? as well as the xenon.

pdc is the only one that is not cheap to remove.

you could sell aircon to a certain hot sweaty scouser when summer turns up!

[Florian]

it sounds like you want a car with no air con and no radio so if thats what you want, then I say go for it...personally I wanted a radio and aircon but each to their own.

don't worry about resale value. they'll all be worth loads of money in years to come regardless of aircon or no aircon etc. it'll make next to no difference
I know :banghead:
I never listen to other people regarding what I want / not want, even if I ask the question.
Do you think the value will go up in the years to come? That is another concern of mine, as I do not want it to loose value. It won't be driven too much.
why not buy the best car you. an afford and take out the aircon and radio? as well as the xenon.

pdc is the only one that is not cheap to remove.

you could sell aircon to a certain hot sweaty scouser when summer turns up!
Removing aircon might be a very involved task, I am not sure it is that easy.
You need to remove the controller inside the car, the wiring, the compressor, the intercooler, the fan, all the lines, and I'm not sure about the belt running all that.
I think it would be cheaper to remove PDC.

[Barry C]

I know :banghead:
I never listen to other people regarding what I want / not want, even if I ask the question.
Do you think the value will go up in the years to come? That is another concern of mine, as I do not want it to loose value. It won't be driven too much.

Removing aircon might be a very involved task, I am not sure it is that easy.
You need to remove the controller inside the car, the wiring, the compressor, the intercooler, the fan, all the lines, and I'm not sure about the belt running all that.
I think it would be cheaper to remove PDC.

who knows?
If you're buying the car waiting for it to go up in value I think you've got the wroing idea. It's just a car, a really good one at that. just go out and drive it and enjoy it. If it goes up in value, that's great! If not, who cares, you've enjoyed driving it.

i think it won't lose much value though. in 10 years time they will still be worth over £20k I'd imagine, maybe over £30k with inflation :beer:

[E46CSL]

who knows?
If you're buying the car waiting for it to go up in value I think you've got the wrong idea. It's just a car, a really good one at that. just go out and drive it and enjoy it. If it goes up in value, that's great! If not, who cares, you've enjoyed driving it.

i think it won't lose much value though. in 10 years time they will still be worth over £20k I'd imagine, maybe over £30k with inflation :beer:

:thumbs:

[JBird]

Florian, is this not something for you then, awsome price... if your into sb.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3275359.htm

[shane@mbtech]

Florian, is this not something for you then, awsome price... if your into sb.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3275359.htm

Too good maybe??


Its been up for sale for a long long time. Why?

[Florian]

Too good maybe??


Its been up for sale for a long long time. Why?

I wish, but it is a RHD.
I am in France, and would fancy a LHD.

There is a cheap RHD for sale in France :
http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/309880906.htm?ca=16_s

And this LHD in Germany that is very cheap for the mileage :
Edit : it was at 35k euros yesterday. I guess it already sold! Crazy, less than 25 hours. It had 23 000 km.

Thanks for the help :-)

Regards,

Florian

[Barry C]

Thats cheap. would be worth while picking that up on the way back from a ring trip and adding a few grand on to the price tag in the uk:hahaha:

I wish, but it is a RHD.
I am in France, and would fancy a LHD.

There is a cheap RHD for sale in France :
http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/309880906.htm?ca=16_s

And this LHD in Germany that is very cheap for the mileage :
Edit : it was at 35k euros yesterday. I guess it already sold! Crazy, less than 25 hours. It had 23 000 km.

Thanks for the help :-)

Regards,

Florian

[E46CSL]

Thats cheap. would be worth while picking that up on the way back from a ring trip and adding a few grand on to the price tag in the uk:hahaha:

24k for a 56k miles - I suppose it is OK, but not a screaming buy when you compare to this car that is here.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3858377.htm

[Ciaran Mk1]

wish, but it is a RHD.
I am in France, and would fancy a LHD.

There is a cheap RHD for sale in France :
http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/309880906.htm?ca=16_s

And this LHD in Germany that is very cheap for the mileage :
Edit : it was at 35k euros yesterday. I guess it already sold! Crazy, less than 25 hours. It had 23 000 km.

Thanks for the help :-)

Regards,

Florian

Salut Florian!

Just on the topic of LHD Vs RHD cars in France, do you know if Insurance charge a premium if you were to insure a RHD vehicle in France?

Secondly, what insurance companies would you recomment to talk to when insuring a performance car?

[Barry C]

24k for a 56k miles - I suppose it is OK, but not a screaming buy when you compare to this car that is here.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3858377.htm


there is surely lots of haggling to be done on that price as i'd imagine the market for RHD CSL's in France isn't huge!:smokin:

[Florian]

Thats cheap. would be worth while picking that up on the way back from a ring trip and adding a few grand on to the price tag in the uk:hahaha:

Salut Florian!

Just on the topic of LHD Vs RHD cars in France, do you know if Insurance charge a premium if you were to insure a RHD vehicle in France?

Secondly, what insurance companies would you recomment to talk to when insuring a performance car?
Hi

I have no idea about insurance. I think there is no difference.
For the company, I go through Allianz but I don't know if it is the best. They have a good service, and that is important.

I don't know much about insurance :-( sorry..

there is surely lots of haggling to be done on that price as i'd imagine the market for RHD CSL's in France isn't huge!:smokin:
Yes! I am sure you can discuss that price a lot and add some once you have the car in England!

[Ciaran Mk1]

No problem, but thanks! Forme, it wouldn't make too much of a problem to have a LDH or RHD so that's why I was asking.

A colleague of mine is coming with me to a GMF this afternoon to see if we can get a competitive quotation of them.

[SachaR]

Hi, I had my car insured in france for 2 years and they knew it was RHD, there was no extra cost.

[Florian]

No problem, but thanks! Forme, it wouldn't make too much of a problem to have a LDH or RHD so that's why I was asking.

A colleague of mine is coming with me to a GMF this afternoon to see if we can get a competitive quotation of them.

It will be a problem for underground parking, freeway,... Since you have to get a ticket and will need a passenger, or getting out of the car :(
But, you can get a "telepeage" for cheap, which would solve the freeway problem.

Florian

[shimmy]

also not that good when 'kerb crawling' - ill let Yanto translate :)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

also not that good when 'kerb crawling' - ill let Yanto translate :)
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: or is that give more detail about kerb crawling :whistle:

[SachaR]

It will be a problem for underground parking, freeway,... Since you have to get a ticket and will need a passenger, or getting out of the car :(
But, you can get a "telepeage" for cheap, which would solve the freeway problem.

Florian

I solved the problem with this :wink:


http://images.landofnod.com/is/image/LandOfNod/RobotClaw_0611?$zm$

[Ciaran Mk1]

also not that good when 'kerb crawling' - ill let Yanto translate :)


Well why else would I be looking for a "Right hooker" :thumbs:


I solved the problem with this :wink:



Great minds think alike! :smt023
I know how much of a pain in the ass RHD cars can be over here in carparks and toll booths so that will be my first purchase when I get a new car!

[shane@mbtech]

also not that good when 'kerb crawling' - ill let Yanto translate :)
Perfect for curb crawling Shim.
You can get a better view of what you will be getting for your 50 euros:smokin: