Nurburgring driving for the first time in CSL

[Christophe.m]

Hey,

This weekend was my first time at the Nurburgring with my CSL... I did already 19 laps over there ( with a civic Eg6 and a STI 9 ).

First lap was saturday right after the VLN race ( we drove on the VLN track configuration ) for my first lap, I used the M-track mode for more safety and also because ( I guess ) it was designed for that kind of track... But it was horrible ! worst than on an usual track ! For my second lap, I decided to turn off all traction control and it was much better and smoothy... But I feel very stressful and tense, the goal isn't to drive fast or register a good time, But a the end of the lap, impossible to go for a other one because the track closed after an accident so FINISH for saturday...

Sunday : I start to warm up the CSL by driving to Adenau then I ve plug the Performance Box and the Go pro and I went on the Nordschleife... Without traction control.

first lap: So stressful, it's really different to drive a Civic of 900kg and jump in a CSL of 1400 kg... I feel than I slow but I don't know exactly because for the fist lap, my performance box was setting the start/finish line. ( BTG mode )

second lap: Ok go ahead, I try to follow an Audi TTrs and clio Sport but I loosed them after bergwerk... Strange !!! after the lap my perf box announced the time... GOD DAMN IT !!!! 15 sec slower than my Eg6 with 184 Hp

I know than it's normal than I feel better in my civic because I drive Honda since 7 years but I feel confuse because I'm was expecting a better time...

Anyway I tried an other lap but it was really better and I started to feel distracted so I decided to stop for today and look other people how they do...

now it's time to practice and get a better feeling with the FR driving...



I have a little question for all CSl driver on the Nordschleife... How do you feel with the M-track mode ?

I know than the problem is not the car but the driver.. but I feel a big handicap from it and I wonder if it's because I using a OEM suspension setup and the car take too much rolling so I loose some grip from the inside wheel, turning on the M-track mode... OR maybe my differential is a little tired and don't sent enough torque to my outside wheel and again turn on the M-track...


Thank you for your answers :)

[shane@mbtech]

I drove the ring btg with dsc fully on, 8.10. I had done approx 18 laps.
Caress the thing don't rape it. The traction kicked in twice, that's it. If its impeding you that much there is something wrong with either the car, you or both.

What tyres?

[Christophe.m]

Toyo R888 255/35R18 front And toyo R888 285/30R18 rear

[chrisburns]

Christophe does your car have black in places on it? A friend was over this weekend in his CSL and I was chatting to him earlier, he said only one other CSL there this trip. Lots of 1M's I believe?

[shimmy]

Toyo R888 255/35R18 front And toyo R888 285/30R18 rear

The road noise must be unbearable :)

[Christophe.m]

Christophe does your car have black in places on it? A friend was over this weekend in his CSL and I was chatting to him earlier, he said only one other CSL there this trip. Lots of 1M's I believe?

Yes I have black wheels for track... I saw 2 CSL one Black and one grey ... Not so many 1m but a lot of GT3 and many M3e46 and e36 :supz::beer:

[Christophe.m]

The road noise must be unbearable :)

Well yes it's not so quiet but I use it only on track ^^

[Mark CSL]

The road noise must be unbearable :)

My m8 has the 888s on his CSL sounds like the diff is fooked but they do work well but not for me too noisy.

Souds like you need more driving in the CSL i turn traction fully off at any track as it slows the car out the corners too much :-D

[shimmy]

Well yes it's not so quiet but I use it only on track ^^

Chris, just be careful with the R888 as they do go off pretty quickly which will for certain make the Mtrack or dSC kick in earlier. I'm not sure about the weight of your car but it may be a contributory factor if you are doing lots of miles.

[Christophe.m]

Chris, just be careful with the R888 as they do go off pretty quickly which will for certain make the Mtrack or dSC kick in earlier. I'm not sure about the weight of your car but it may be a contributory factor if you are doing lots of miles.

What do you mean ? You think than the R888 are not as good as the cup tyres ? I never tried the cup configuration , I drove one time on the track with the pilot sport 2... It was terrible on te track, the tyres suffered too much and it didn't offer precision and good hang... I spok with Marc Muller, the boss of lightweight Titanauspuffanlagen and he told me than 18" wheels was a better configuration for track and it was important to use wider tyres at the front...

I decid to use de 888s because it's more "track designed" and it offer soft gum at the inside and outside of the tread and slick at the middle...

I know than Toyo advice to use a lot of camber and castor... Maybe it don't fit very well with the OEM suspension setup ?!?!?

[Mark CSL]

What do you mean ? You think than the R888 are not as good as the cup tyres ? I never tried the cup configuration , I drove one time on the track with the pilot sport 2... It was terrible on te track, the tyres suffered too much and it didn't offer precision and good hang... I spok with Marc Muller, the boss of lightweight Titanauspuffanlagen and he told me than 18" wheels was a better configuration for track and it was important to use wider tyres at the front...

I decid to use de 888s because it's more "track designed" and it offer soft gum at the inside and outside of the tread and slick at the middle...

I know than Toyo advice to use a lot of camber and castor... Maybe it don't fit very well with the OEM suspension setup ?!?!?


The Cup tyres are the best you can get thats road legal
of you ask me they offer so much more grip when hot
After all the car was set up with them :supz:

Have you has the suspension checked by this i mean tracking any broken rear springs and are the bushes ok ?

[toplad]

I haven't driven the ring on 18's but, the advice you've been given is similar to what I've read on here as improved track setup. So don't think the tyres/setup is holding you back to much.
M track mode is too restricting on track for me also, so don't think there's an issue.
Its more likely one of 3 things.
The alignment of the car is incorrect, this makes a massive difference to feel and confidence the CSL offers.
Or
Your expectations are to high for the Csl, the OEM setup is pretty good, but for proper track driving its too soft, if your comparing it to a more track focused car it might feel a bit loose and big
Or

You need more time to get a feel for the car, even an OEM setup will allow 1.2g in corners combined with 355 bhp engine makes it quite a weapon if driven properly

[Christophe.m]

The Cup tyres are the best you can get thats road legal
of you ask me they offer so much more grip when hot
After all the car was set up with them :supz:

Have you has the suspension checked by this i mean tracking any broken rear springs and are the bushes ok ?

Yes everything is ok but I m waiting since 9 weeks on a H&R clubsport kit, then I ll add some camber and set the allignement and the weight repartition... Then I ll see if the M-track is less sensitiv

[Christophe.m]

Actually I m kind of upset against H&R so if they don't deliver this week I ll change for nitron i guess...

( H&R told me 3 weeks but that's been 9 weeks ago )

[shimmy]

What do you mean ? You think than the R888 are not as good as the cup tyres ? I never tried the cup configuration , I drove one time on the track with the pilot sport 2... It was terrible on te track, the tyres suffered too much and it didn't offer precision and good hang... I spok with Marc Muller, the boss of lightweight Titanauspuffanlagen and he told me than 18" wheels was a better configuration for track and it was important to use wider tyres at the front...

I decid to use de 888s because it's more "track designed" and it offer soft gum at the inside and outside of the tread and slick at the middle...

I know than Toyo advice to use a lot of camber and castor... Maybe it don't fit very well with the OEM suspension setup ?!?!?

R888 are a great track tyre BUT do not cope with a heavy car as well as Cups. They seem to 'go off' best performance very quick when the car is 1300kg+. Many Porsche GT3 owners find that R888 dont last more than 10 miles on track before getting squirmy!

[Curly]

Stop messing and buy cups:smokin:

[DuncanR]

8:15 laps are doable with all traction still on, and certainly with just m-mode on, and if you are over 55 years old as well !:hahaha:

[shimmy]

8:15 laps are doable with all traction still on, and certainly with just m-mode on, and if you are over 55 years old as well !:hahaha:


what about if you are over 60 dunc?

[DuncanR]

what about if you are over 60 dunc?Uh ..well i can tell ya in about 5 fookin years i suppose ! :banghead:

[Christophe.m]

I m sure than you are right about de cups... Now I gonna kill my 888 and I ll check for cup... And I ll see what I prefer ;-)

[conleth m3]

Toyo R888 255/35R18 front And toyo R888 285/30R18 rear


did tankslapper and glendog not have problems with dsc/m track cutting in too much when running different tyre sizes to standard? i'm sure they had to turn dsc off as it kept interfering because of the difference on rolling circumference?

from memory they were on similar sizes to christophe, but were running cups

[conleth m3]

found the thread

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6400&page=5

265/35/18 fronts and 285/30/18 rears

not sure if the same thing?

in a reasonable amount of laps at the ring i've only found traction control upsetting the car or cutting in too much in a couple of places, especially coming out of bergwerk, heading up the hill.

never really had a problem with it, or the talent to turn it off :clown:

[Christophe.m]

Yes Why not It could be also a solution .... But for the circumference I tried to be as close as possible of the oem circumference... :whistle:

[Christophe.m]

Does someone of you are using rear wheels at front ( 4x 265 Michelin CUP ) ???

[conleth m3]

yes, quite a few run 265/35/18 all round so you have more front end grip and can rotate the tyres, left to right and front to back so they wear more evenly, then cups last even longer :thumbs: