Front Wishbones

[shimmy]

please somebody give me chapter and verse on them?


1. how much
2. where from
3. same as M3
4. do they have 1,2,3 bushes/balljoints attached
5. what else do i need

[mattCSLnut]

please somebody give me chapter and verse on them?


1. how much
2. where from
3. same as M3
4. do they have 1,2,3 bushes/balljoints attached
5. what else do i need

These are made by "Lemforder" for BMW so get them from ECP for about £150 + VAT each, as otherwise they are nearly double that @ the Main Stealers :banghead:
BMW CSL part numbers for cross reference are: 31122229454 for the Right wishbone... and: 2112229453 for the Left side. Don't quote me but I believe these are the same as stock E46 M3.
You get both front, inner & outer ball joints in the price but not the rear bush that slides over the end of the wishbone and bolts onto the chassis. This may be the right time to put something a bit more Racy in there, and I don't meant that purple bubble gum stuff from Powerflex :clown:

[mattCSLnut]

Here's a diagram :smokin:

[shimmy]

These are made by "Lemforder" for BMW so get them from ECP for about £150 + VAT each, as otherwise they are nearly double that @ the Main Stealers :banghead:
BMW CSL part numbers for cross reference are: 31122229454 for the Right wishbone... and: 2112229453 for the Left side. Don't quote me but I believe these are the same as stock E46 M3.
You get both front, inner & outer ball joints in the price but not the rear bush that slides over the end of the wishbone and bolts onto the chassis. This may be the right time to put something a bit more Racy in there, and I don't meant that purple bubble gum stuff from Powerflex :clown:

Cheers Matt, yes just checked Realoem and M3 the same code.

What's more racey?

[mattCSLnut]

Cheers Matt, yes just checked Realoem and M3 the same code.

What's more racey?
Something like this... http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3522-front-control-arm-bushings-fcab-delrin-solid-race-e46-m3.aspx perfect for your Track Slag.

[mattCSLnut]

... or this: http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=162/CA=263 :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

... or even these :smokin: http://www.rogueengineering.com/rogue/S_BUSH/RE_FCAB.html

[DuncanR]

Why the fook are all those bushes made in the USA , bought by Brits, and then fitted to a German car ?
Those are simple engineering, surely someone in the UK produces the same? :smt102

[CraigMillwardCroft]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: TRUE

[shane@mbtech]

The "genuine" lemforder from ECP are not the same quality as oe from BMW.
Trust me on this one.

The guy from ECP came out to our gaffe. Saying the bushes were 100% the same, he was wit the lemforder guy, they were both adamant they were exactly 100% the same. We knew just b looking they were not. We then got sme real bushes out of our stock. They looked, felt completely different. The ECP lemforder stuff lasts only 1/3 of time too.

Find some updated race arms shim, your car is hardly a comfortable cruiser,

[mattCSLnut]

Why the fook are all those bushes made in the USA , bought by Brits, and then fitted to a German car ?
Those are simple engineering, surely someone in the UK produces the same? :smt102
That's Globalisation :clown: for you dUnk. :banghead:
To be fair the Americans fit them as well, it's just majority of them don't get to use these to their full potential :whistle:
... too many straight roads in the US ;) :hahaha:

[shimmy]

The "genuine" lemforder from ECP are not the same quality as oe from BMW.
Trust me on this one.

The guy from ECP came out to our gaffe. Saying the bushes were 100% the same, he was wit the lemforder guy, they were both adamant they were exactly 100% the same. We knew just b looking they were not. We then got sme real bushes out of our stock. They looked, felt completely different. The ECP lemforder stuff lasts only 1/3 of time too.

Find some updated race arms shim, your car is hardly a comfortable cruiser,


Now I am confused......:)

Lemforder are not the same as OeM (but only the ball joint is fixed)
Get race bushes (but that makes ride even harder)
Get race arms (are they found somewhere else)?

[shane@mbtech]

Now I am confused......:)

Lemforder are not the same as OeM (but only the ball joint is fixed)
Get race bushes (but that makes ride even harder)
Get race arms (are they found somewhere else)?

Is it your wishbone ball joint thats gone?

Which one, inner(subframe) or outer(hub)?

The rear bush gives the car compliance, and changing that to a "solid" bush will make the drive a fair bit harsher.

The arms and the rear bush are seperate items.

You need to buy the wishbone, then if you so desire buy standard rear bush or uprated rear bush. I would buy uprated,

Why dont you get the wishbone arm changed under warranty, then fit uprated rear bushes?

[mattCSLnut]

Why dont you get the wishbone arm changed under warranty, then fit uprated rear bushes?

IIRC suspension part are only covered upto 60K miles under BMW warranty and Shimmy is waaaay past that :smokin:

[shimmy]

IIRC suspension part are only covered upto 60K miles under BMW warranty and Shimmy is waaaay past that :smokin:


yes advice at weekend was that 88k miles may be a bit too late (although this is my second arm already!)

[shimmy]

outer balljoint has gone (so arm needs replacing - you are saying with BMW not lemforder!)

i think it comes with inner replaceable ball joint if not i will replace and also rubber mount circular (7) above on diagram

Lawsy/Matt does that make sense and if not what would you do?

[shane@mbtech]

outer balljoint has gone (so arm needs replacing - you are saying with BMW not lemforder!)

i think it comes with inner replaceable ball joint if not i will replace and also rubber mount circular (7) above on diagram

Lawsy/Matt does that make sense and if not what would you do?


The wishbone is complete Shim, inner and outer ball joints are integral.

Its only the rear bush and housing which are seperate-( item 7) these are the ones Matt was showing can be upgraded.

If the price difference is not much go BMW, 2 years warranty.

I just find the ECP stuff not quite as good, fine for a road car, but on yours I would go BMW.

We fit the ECP Lemforder stuff everyday, its not bad stuff If I am being honest, it just doesnt seem to last as long as Merc OE stuff. But its warranted and they replace it no quibble for us.

The BMW stuff might be different?

[mattCSLnut]

yes advice at weekend was that 88k miles may be a bit too late (although this is my second arm already!)

If the previous arm was fitted by BMW less then 2 years ago then in theory it should still be covered by BMWs own 2 year warranty :thumbs:
Worth checking your extensive :whistle: history file Shim ;)

[shimmy]

If the previous arm was fitted by BMW less then 2 years ago then in theory it should still be covered by BMWs own 2 year warranty :thumbs:
Worth checking your extensive :whistle: history file Shim ;)

2008:bigcry:

[mattCSLnut]

2008:bigcry:
D'oh :banghead: and there was U thinking it was only 2 year ago :whistle:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Your either running a sloppy jalopy for
road use or its tight to be right,
for the Track.

No point in having semi race suspension
[Intrax/Nitron ?] with agressive settings
and then shaking it all to bits with
comfy wishbone bushings.

If you could only see how fast your
standard wishbone is moving around under
braking etc.

Put the Uprated Bushes in and buy
a comfy cushion for the trip to
and from the Track.

All Slags [Track] go much better the Stiffer it is.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Bounce]

The wishbone is complete Shim, inner and outer ball joints are integral.

Its only the rear bush and housing which are seperate-( item 7) these are the ones Matt was showing can be upgraded.

If the price difference is not much go BMW, 2 years warranty.

I just find the ECP stuff not quite as good, fine for a road car, but on yours I would go BMW.

We fit the ECP Lemforder stuff everyday, its not bad stuff If I am being honest, it just doesnt seem to last as long as Merc OE stuff. But its warranted and they replace it no quibble for us.

The BMW stuff might be different?Lemforder is the oem,the wishbones i got for my stock M3 just had the BMW name scratched off.;)

[shane@mbtech]

Lemforder is the oem,the wishbones i got for my stock M3 just had the BMW name scratched off.;)

Yes because ECP had them reconditioned to a lesser standard than the BMW stuff.

Trust me on this one Brett;)