Hey there Mates!

[dafoe]

Just wanted to say hi, visiting from the states. Love the CSL, mainly here trying to obtain bits for my M3. Here are my mods, and some pics.

Evolve-R tune, M3AN One Ceramic coated headers, OEM Euro Cats, TCKline S/A Coilvers, H&R front Sway Bar, Alcantara Steering, Dynavin V5, Apex ARC-8's, Turner Subframe Reinforcement, 3.91 gears, Michelin Pilot Super Sports

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[chrisburns]

Nice car Buddy, looks to be in great order as well - welcome :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Welcome Dafoe, interesting about the coated headers, do you think this will dramatically lower engine bay temps? And if yes, does it have any adverse affects on the cats or exhaust make up

[dafoe]

Thanks! I am obsessed with caring for her! She's a 2001, got her two years ago with 24k miles. :) She's got 66k on her now, and NOT my daily driver. That big UGLY 15 passenger van is my daily. Driving the van all week to DC and back makes one appreciate the M3! Fortunately I have some great roads here.

Hey Shimmy!
The ceramic coated headers offer better performance for two reasons, one under hood temps are lower, oils temps seem slighty lower, but the best thing is the scavenging effects of the headers with them ceramic coated. Haven't heard of any negative effects on the cats. I did get those cats from Ebay UK when I installed the headers. Which was a PIA!!!

The headers were coated inside and out.

One of my favorite mods on this car are the lightweight APEX ARC-8's which are 18.8 lbs, and strong! Mated with the new Michelin Pilot Super Sports... WHOA!! FUN!!!

[northernjim]

welcom aboard (Willem?:clown: ) Dafoe:thumbs:


Welcome Dafoe, interesting about the coated headers, do you think this will dramatically lower engine bay temps? And if yes, does it have any adverse affects on the cats or exhaust make up

depends on the gauge of the tubes too;)

from Zircotec's website... "We have developed a range of ultra high performance thermal barrier coatings that are specifically designed to prevent unwanted heat loss from engine exhaust system components"

It insulates the header and therefore increases exhaust gas speed thru the system- ergo your tips will be hotter than before:smt055

I don't think it adversely affects the cats at all -they will warm up quicker if anythng:thumbs: WRC cars have their cats right in the tips but also are coated in entirety...

[KamalRostov]

Welcome... Nice and well kept LSB specimen you've got there.

[sailorbaz]

Welcome mate, you do keep your M3 looking minted but then again, you have that lovely weather. :-( Not that I'm jealous at all.

Good luck in finding CSL parts...for sensible money.

[Roland]

Welcome m8,

kinda like that colour :thumbs:

[dafoe]

Appreciate the warm welcome!

So I found a gutted CSL on ebay, tried to get the guy to dismantle the roof, no go, and no ship. :(

If he agreed to dismantle, may fly out to ship it back myself! lol

Happy Friday!

[azrael]

Appreciate the warm welcome!

So I found a gutted CSL on ebay, tried to get the guy to dismantle the roof, no go, and no ship. :(

If he agreed to dismantle, may fly out to ship it back myself! lol

Happy Friday!

Once you've found your feet here I'm sure someone would help in getting one shipped out

[Curly]

Welcome Dude,Are your wheels 18" same size all round?

[glendog74]

Welcome - i love Laguna Seca blue on the E46 M3 :thumbs:

[Bounce]

Welcome to the register mate:thumbs:

[O'Neill]

Welcome matey:thumbs: like the wheels:thumbs:

[Yanto]

Welcome - i love Laguna Seca blue on the E46 M3 :thumbs:

+1. welcome, car looks mint.

So much better w/out the front plate.:smokin:

[derek]

Welcome . Car looks great:thumbs:

[alexk]

Welcome, very nice M3 !!!

[dafoe]

Thanks for the welcome Mates!

Welcome Dude,Are your wheels 18" same size all round?

Yes sir! They are Apex ARC-8's size 18x9.5 et35, tire size 265/35/18, 15mm spacers in the rear, -2 camber all the way around wrapped in Michelin PSS! Wheels weigh 18.8 lbs.

+1. welcome, car looks mint.

So much better w/out the front plate.:smokin:

I agree!!! And gladly pay the fine when I get pulled over by the police. Only happened once though, other times I've gotten warnings... I think the officers agree with me. When they ask why no plate, I honestly tell them it looks horrible, and the car came from a state where no front plate is required, so no holes in the bumper either! lol

[glendog74]

I agree!!! And gladly pay the fine when I get pulled over by the police. Only happened once though, other times I've gotten warnings... I think the officers agree with me. When they ask why no plate, I honestly tell them it looks horrible, and the car came from a state where no front plate is required, so no holes in the bumper either! lol

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[northernjim]

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

;)

where did you get your sticker plate from Robney?

[glendog74]

;)

where did you get your sticker plate from Robney?

I haven't got one - i just carry the plate in the car lol :smokin:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Nice car looks so much better without front license plate, is that an Individual colour. :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

Welcome Dafoe, we have people in shipping on here if you need help.:thumbs:

[outnumbered]

Nice car looks so much better without front license plate, is that an Individual colour. :thumbs:

It's Smurf Blue (aka Laguna Seca blue) which was a launch colour for the E46 M3.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote-

''Hey Shimmy!
The ceramic coated headers offer better performance for two reasons, one under hood temps are lower, oils temps seem slighty lower, but the best thing is the scavenging effects of the headers with them ceramic coated.''


Are you sure about this ?

Would like to know how the exhaust scavange
is improved by simply coating the exterior of the
header/ exhaust manifold ?


Quote-

''scavenging, which is a very complex field. One of the things that impacts on exhaust scavenging is the duration of the exhaust pulse, which is inversely proportional to engine RPM. If you have relatively long primaries, the exhaust pulses are less likely to interfere at low RPM at the collector and more likely to assist in the evacuation of the other primaries, increasing efficiency. The easier your engine can "exhale" the more fuel-air mix it can process and the more horsepower it can produce.

At the low to mid end, the best way to maximize your scavenging effect, thus helping to maximize your engine's V.E., Is to move the exhuast out of the engine as fast as possible, or with as much velocity as possible. Long tubes work best for this because of their length, and their width (well, lack of width). Thier length allows an elongated path for the gas to flow, thus allowing the gas to leave the cylinder with more speed because the gas has more time to gain velocity before it hits the collector.''



Regards,

The Gorilla.

[northernjim]

Hi,

Quote-

''Hey Shimmy!
The ceramic coated headers offer better performance for two reasons, one under hood temps are lower, oils temps seem slighty lower, but the best thing is the scavenging effects of the headers with them ceramic coated.''


Are you sure about this ?

Would like to know how the exhaust scavange
is improved by simply coating the exterior of the
header/ exhaust manifold ?


Quote-

''scavenging, which is a very complex field. One of the things that impacts on exhaust scavenging is the duration of the exhaust pulse, which is inversely proportional to engine RPM. If you have relatively long primaries, the exhaust pulses are less likely to interfere at low RPM at the collector and more likely to assist in the evacuation of the other primaries, increasing efficiency. The easier your engine can "exhale" the more fuel-air mix it can process and the more horsepower it can produce.

At the low to mid end, the best way to maximize your scavenging effect, thus helping to maximize your engine's V.E., Is to move the exhuast out of the engine as fast as possible, or with as much velocity as possible. Long tubes work best for this because of their length, and their width (well, lack of width). Thier length allows an elongated path for the gas to flow, thus allowing the gas to leave the cylinder with more speed because the gas has more time to gain velocity before it hits the collector.''



Regards,

The Gorilla.

there is a reason why f1 teams use zircotec tho I would have thought?


Haven't you just listed one of many factors?

anything that will stop a gas cooling down, and therefore slowing down will help I would imagine?

[northernjim]

I haven't got one - i just carry the plate in the car lol :smokin:

which reprobate ( that I am confusing with you:birdman:) has a sticker instead of a plate then?

[The Gorilla]

Hi,


Quote-

'' there is a reason why f1 teams use zircotec tho I would have thought?

Haven't you just listed one of many factors?

anything that will stop a gas cooling down, and therefore slowing down will help I would imagine?


For sure Zircotec will bring down the under bonnet temp,
which means the gases in the exhaust stay hotter.

Have a look at some 'coated' exhaust manifolds after
say 10,000 miles , which F1 and Race cars do not
exceed to without rebuilds etc.

Scavenge is very complex as already stated, and
raising the exhaust gas temp does not mean that
scavange is improved, more so when running
Cats, which F1 Car's etc do not.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shane@mbtech]

Hi,


Quote-

'' there is a reason why f1 teams use zircotec tho I would have thought?

Haven't you just listed one of many factors?

anything that will stop a gas cooling down, and therefore slowing down will help I would imagine?


For sure Zircotec will bring down the under bonnet temp,
which means the gases in the exhaust stay hotter.

Have a look at some 'coated' exhaust manifolds after
say 10,000 miles , which F1 and Race cars do not
exceed to without rebuilds etc.

Scavenge is very complex as already stated, and
raising the exhaust gas temp does not mean that
scavange is improved, more so when running
Cats, which F1 Car's etc do not.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

What are your thoughts on "coated" exhausts. And any science behind it G man?

We had a discussion about this the other day in work.

Pro';s and cons.

[shimmy]

What are your thoughts on "coated" exhausts. And any science behind it G man?

We had a discussion about this the other day in work.

Pro';s and cons.


I wondered if i could avoid a bigger oil cooler by running coated manifold but wasnt sure on the knock on effects:smokin:

[DuncanR]

I wondered if i could avoid a bigger oil cooler by running coated manifold but wasnt sure on the knock on effects:smokin:With my limited experience and Knowledge of such matters, and applying the KISS rule, I would imagine that the oil cooler path is more cost effective and has a far more direct impact on dropping the oil temp, wouldnt you ? ....well wouldnt you ? :smt102

[CraigMillwardCroft]

What is the KISS rule ?? :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

What is the KISS rule ?? :thumbs:Keep it simple stupid ;)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[shimmy]

With my limited experience and Knowledge of such matters, and applying the KISS rule, I would imagine that the oil cooler path is more cost effective and has a far more direct impact on dropping the oil temp, wouldnt you ? ....well wouldnt you ? :smt102

have you ever felt how hot the manifold gets!

[DuncanR]

have you ever felt how hot the manifold gets!Dont be a cooont ! I would burn myself !!:hahaha:

[shimmy]

Dont be a cooont ! I would burn myself !!:hahaha:


use your head, best keep vital organs clear :smokin:

[DuncanR]

have you ever felt how hot the manifold gets!Dont be a cooont ! I would burn myself !!:hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote-

''What are your thoughts on "coated" exhausts. And any science behind it G man?

We had a discussion about this the other day in work.

Pro';s and cons.


I think it was Super Sprint that played around with
'Coated' and 'Ceramics' on Manifolds and Exhausts
a while ago.

The issue many forget, is that most F1 Cars,
Race Cars and Bikes in the higher echelon of
Motorsport are running something like
0.8mm side wall thickness Inconnel Headers,
exhausts pipes etc.

So Heat is a big problem, more so where
it can transfer and cause heat soak to
materials like Carbon, plastics, nylons etc
all frequetly used in modern day race cars.

Hence the need to contain the exhaust
heat as much and where ever possible.

On a street/track car, then under bonnet
temps will be down some, but as to if
this makes a little more power is just a
subjective view, pending where you sit.

If I was selling Coatings, then of course it
would assist in making more power,
better exhaust scavange, lower oil
temps, and so on.

As I am not, then my personal view is
that its just another product being used
in Motorsport under totally different
conditions and circumstances, which is now
offered and sold to the public at large on
the basis F1 / Motorsport has it, and the
leemings as always will follow.

A drop in ambinet under bonnet temp by say
20 degrees will do nothing at all to your
oil temp when static, even less at full chat.


Regards,

The Gorilla

[Bounce]

Dont be a cooont ! I would burn myself !!:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

Hi,

Quote-

''What are your thoughts on "coated" exhausts. And any science behind it G man?

We had a discussion about this the other day in work.

Pro';s and cons.


I think it was Super Sprint that played around with
'Coated' and 'Ceramics' on Manifolds and Exhausts
a while ago.

The issue many forget, is that most F1 Cars,
Race Cars and Bikes in the higher echelon of
Motorsport are running something like
0.8mm side wall thickness Inconnel Headers,
exhausts pipes etc.

So Heat is a big problem, more so where
it can transfer and cause heat soak to
materials like Carbon, plastics, nylons etc
all frequetly used in modern day race cars.

Hence the need to contain the exhaust
heat as much and where ever possible.

On a street/track car, then under bonnet
temps will be down some, but as to if
this makes a little more power is just a
subjective view, pending where you sit.

If I was selling Coatings, then of course it
would assist in making more power,
better exhaust scavange, lower oil
temps, and so on.

As I am not, then my personal view is
that its just another product being used
in Motorsport under totally different
conditions and circumstances, which is now
offered and sold to the public at large on
the basis F1 / Motorsport has it, and the
leemings as always will follow.

A drop in ambinet under bonnet temp by say
20 degrees will do nothing at all to your
oil temp when static, even less at full chat.


Regards,

The Gorilla


Have you datalogged this, or is it just your "opinion".

At times, i think there are benefits, then I think there are none.
With regards to your quote re the ambient temps.
Tesco say that every little helps.

[AlexGTT]

It'll make next to no difference the oil temps. There are slight benefits as outlined by The Gorilla. I have a fair amount of experience with ceramic coated exhausts as we use them a lot on the cars we work on but that is only because of the close proximity of carburettors/fuel lines, etc. They help a lot with fuel percolation issues. The issue is fairly well illustrated in the following picture, although this is before we coated the manifold.

I'd be more inclined to used ceramic coating on turbochaged road cars but less so on N/A.

[dafoe]

Hey Fellas!

The M3 is running strong as ever! The headers are good, the Evolve Airbox is better, but what I am need of now, without breaking the bank, is a set of CSL cams!

If ANYONE can help a friend from across the pond acquire a set of good CSL cams, I would be MOST Grateful!!

Hope all is well with everyone!

Dave