E9X M3 Series ZCP wheels on E46 CSL?

[$w!ft]

Have you ever thought about using these ZCP 359M style wheels which are used on M3 competition package models for a CSL? Anyone got any pics?


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4570948798_9503c535c8.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/627/cimg0366f.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7655/cimg0361l.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9381/cimg0390p.jpg

http://image.eurotuner.com/f/euro-project-cars/2011-bmw-m3-competition-package-zcp-project-car/29328034/2011-bmw-m3-competition-package-zcp.jpg

What do you think?

[shane@mbtech]

Go outside, look at your CSL, I think they will look the same:hahaha:

[$w!ft]

I've uploaded a picture next to a CSL rim lawsy (second to last), the wheel is much more aggressive in fitment, the offset is lower, so it should fill the wheel arch very well

Its pretty much what I want, maintain stock CSL appearance but much more aggressive fitment

[Pooky]

Those E92 wheels are 10J x 19 ET25 vs the CSL of 9.5J x 19 ET27

So the outside face will be 8mm further outboard.

[shane@mbtech]

I know I was kidding.

They should look good. :thumbs:

More aggressive than csl, but they are about £1600 new, and dont come up 2nd hand that often.

[cslsuperfan]

i may be missing the point but 15mm spacers all round would give a similar look for a fraction of the cost?
That said i've seen the wheels on the frozen grey E92 and they do look mint.:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

i may be missing the point but 15mm spacers all round would give a similar look for a fraction of the cost?
That said i've seen the wheels on the frozen grey E92 and they do look mint.:thumbs:
One Frozen Grey E92 M3 with said wheels :whistle:

[$w!ft]

I know I was kidding.

They should look good. :thumbs:

More aggressive than csl, but they are about £1600 new, and dont come up 2nd hand that often.


haha ok

Well I want to get a second set of rims but like the CSL look, so these seem like a perfect match!

otherwise there are these which are pretty much the same design but more aggressive fitment

[shimmy]

Those E92 wheels are 10J x 19 ET25 vs the CSL of 9.5J x 19 ET27

So the outside face will be 8mm further outboard.

and what are the front sizes compared to CSL OEM?

[Pooky]

and what are the front sizes compared to CSL OEM?

Fronts are 9J ET31, vs the CSL 8.5J ET44

[shimmy]

Fronts are 9J ET31, vs the CSL 8.5J ET44

That's a great size

Tbh you could run 265/30/19 Cups all round with those rim sizes without camber issues.

Alternatively run 285 rears and 265 fronts

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote- '' Fronts are 9J ET31, vs the CSL 8.5J ET44''

Before you rush to spend your money
I would check the wheelspoke 'X' factor
on the E9X M3 Wheels..

9 J at ET 31 with a Big Brake Kit, will be
close, so if needing spaces to clear calipers
then wheels maybe sticky outy.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shimmy]

Hi,

Quote- '' Fronts are 9J ET31, vs the CSL 8.5J ET44''

Before you rush to spend your money
I would check the wheelspoke 'X' factor
on the E9X M3 Wheels..

9 J at ET 31 with a Big Brake Kit, will be
close, so if needing spaces to clear calipers
then wheels maybe sticky outy.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Good point Mr Monkey.....




But I still can't work out why a man of your obvious talent can't work out how to do "quotes" properly :)


.

[shimmy]

i saw a couple of sets of ZCP on E92 today up close next to the CSL.

Would be a good little option but i am just a bot worried that front OEms wont fit CSL.

CSL rims are 8.5J and et 44 which make the outside of the rim about 64mm out from the hub face.

ZCP front rims are 9.0J et 31 so are 83.3mm out from the hub face.

im not sure there is 19mm of flexibility before you hit the wheel arch? If you added the standard 12mm spacer that would make the ZCp only sitting 7.3mm further out.

CSL rears fited to the fornt stick out 94mm from the hub and thye only fit at -3 camber.

My 18 inch rims Volks stick out 87mm from the hub face and thye clear the wheel arch and liner so maybe just ok.

Proably will depend what tyres you fit!



I really do fancy a set of these

[northernjim]

i saw a couple of sets of ZCP on E92 today up close next to the CSL.

Would be a good little option but i am just a bot worried that front OEms wont fit CSL.

CSL rims are 8.5J and et 44 which make the outside of the rim about 64mm out from the hub face.

ZCP front rims are 9.0J et 31 so are 83.3mm out from the hub face.

im not sure there is 19mm of flexibility before you hit the wheel arch? If you added the standard 12mm spacer that would make the ZCp only sitting 7.3mm further out.

CSL rears fited to the fornt stick out 94mm from the hub and thye only fit at -3 camber.

My 18 inch rims Volks stick out 87mm from the hub face and thye clear the wheel arch and liner so maybe just ok.

Proably will depend what tyres you fit!



I really do fancy a set of these so I have just bought a really cheap set:whistle:


Already?! :smokin:;)

[shimmy]

Already?! :smokin:;)

No reply so far!

[northernjim]

No reply so far!

I'd of had them if you hadn't got in first.....:clown:


but then it seems they weren't really for sale at all:banghead:


you just can't get the staff anymore:banghead:

[shimmy]

So got them fitted today and can hardly tell the difference .....

BMW ZCP Competition Rims
REAR - 19 x 10J et25 (fitted 3mm spacers) with 265/30/19 Michelin PSS
FRONT - 19x 9J et31 (no spacers) with 235/35/19 Michelin PS2

Tyres are a little more stretched than on CSL rims but not too bad. Cleared front AP callipers with enough room for NorthernJims dick to fit between, no rubbing.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/c9e5060a.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/1fe6be78.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/5006426f.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/c3d1d805.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/057ff93c.jpg

[Mark CSL]

They are looking good BIG BOY
:thumbs:

[Bounce]

Looking good Shim.:thumbs::thumbs:You may need them on Monday;)

[billyboysm3]

Looking good shimmy. You will need them monday!

Are those new splitters?

[Yanto]

Looking good shimmy. You will need them monday!

Are those new splitters?

+1 looking good big fella.

£10 they are the ex-splitters from my current steed ???

[shimmy]

Looking good shimmy. You will need them monday!

Are those new splitters?

they are my dodgy fitting spares. ill box them for you if you want to borrow them

[$w!ft]

You did it before me shimmy !

So what do you think? Opinions? Looks quite abit more aggressive than stock CSL wheels but still looks completely original.

Was it literally a straight wheel swap? If i'm on stock suspension would I be ok to swap also?


Can I ask also how much $$$ pm if you want

[shimmy]

You did it before me shimmy !

So what do you think? Opinions? Looks quite abit more aggressive than stock CSL wheels but still looks completely original.

Was it literally a straight wheel swap? If i'm on stock suspension would I be ok to swap also?


Can I ask also how much $$$ pm if you want

i paid £1200 second hand

straight fit. i just bunged on my 3mm spacers and extended bolts as the rears didnt stick out as much as fronts

[$w!ft]

are these the same as the M3 GTS wheels?

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-4304-genuine-bmw-m3-gts-black-wheels-set-19-inch.aspx

also would I be fine doing this swap on stock suspension?

[DazBlackCSL]

Looks mint that Shim .. Sits lovely and more aggressive than the standards :thumbs:

Why are the houses yellow in your road !! ?



So got them fitted today and can hardly tell the difference .....

BMW ZCP Competition Rims
REAR - 19 x 10J et25 (fitted 3mm spacers) with 265/30/19 Michelin PSS
FRONT - 19x 9J et31 (no spacers) with 235/35/19 Michelin PS2

Tyres are a little more stretched than on CSL rims but not too bad. Cleared front AP callipers with enough room for NorthernJims dick to fit between, no rubbing.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/c9e5060a.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/1fe6be78.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/5006426f.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/c3d1d805.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/057ff93c.jpg

[shimmy]

Why are the houses yellow in your road !! ?

If you need to ask, you can't be in the INNER CIRCLE so I can't tell you :)

[DazBlackCSL]

If you need to ask, you can't be in the INNER CIRCLE so I can't tell you :)

:hahaha:

Group purchase on household paint !

[shimmy]

:hahaha:

Group purchase on household paint !

Wheel Tappers and Shunters Cul-de-Sac

[DazBlackCSL]

Wheel Tappers and Shunters Cul-de-Sac

Lol :wink:

[cslsuperfan]

shimmy,
what's your secret with the coachwork?

cesil's looking brill, how can this be when you track more than a btcc driver.

:thumbs:

[3wheels3]

:hahaha:

Group purchase on household paint !

lol :hahaha:

[shimmy]

shimmy,
what's your secret with the coachwork?

cesil's looking brill, how can this be when you track more than a btcc driver.

:thumbs:

After 5 years I had to get a front end respray....but now even that's lookin dodgy

[AlexGTT]

shimmy,
what's your secret with the coachwork?

cesil's looking brill, how can this be when you track more than a btcc driver.

:thumbs:

Picture tells 1000 lies eh Shim? :smt023

[Niel333]

Maybe a stupid question, but is is ZCP wheels the same as on the 1M?

[shimmy]

shimmy,
what's your secret with the coachwork?

cesil's looking brill, how can this be when you track more than a btcc driver.

:thumbs:

Glendog does more miles than some well known and loved BTCC drivers and he's on a ship




Maybe a stupid question, but is is ZCP wheels the same as on the 1M?

I believe so.

[Niel333]

It looks great!

[cslsuperfan]

shimmy,
forgive my thickness what do you mean by tyres looking stretched on the new rims.:wanker:

[shimmy]

shimmy,
forgive my thickness what do you mean by tyres looking stretched on the new rims.:wanker:

Not sure on the smiley ..... But it means that if you put say 235 tyres on a 8.5j rim the tyre sits vertical on the sidewall and you get rubber protecting the rim edge, but if you then out the same 235 tyre on a 9.0j rim the tyre has to stretch an extra 1/2 inch where it sits but it still has the same 235 tread width so the tyre wall angles out to the rim, making it looked stretched.

Very popular with the show and shine guys, they like to see the rim sticking out:thumbs:

[northernjim]

Not sure on the smiley .....its a wanker smiley Shimmy, you of allpeople should know that:hahaha: But it means that if you put say 235 tyres on a 8.5j rim the tyre sits vertical on the sidewall and you get rubber protecting the rim edge, but if you then out the same 235 tyre on a 9.0j rim the tyre has to stretch an extra 1/2 inch where it sits but it still has the same 235 tread width so the tyre wall angles out to the rim, making it looked stretched.



your 235's on a 9" should turn in very crisply now?


my car came with 225's on 8.5j, now on correct 8j its not so sharp ( like me some would say before you start:hahaha:)

[shimmy]

Here's paul46 car which shows what I mean.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/paul46rider/IMG_5612.jpg

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Here's paul46 car which shows what I mean.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/paul46rider/IMG_5612.jpg
Not the sort of thing you see on track day cars ;)

[Niel333]

your 235's on a 9" should turn in very crisply now?


my car came with 225's on 8.5j, now on correct 8j its not so sharp ( like me some would say before you start:hahaha:)

So do I understand this correctly, a more streched setup will be better for track??

[northernjim]

So do I understand this correctly, a more streched setup will be better for track??

Not exactly. I'm no expert but as I understand it, you need the 'right' amount of stretch.... Too much and then the sidewalls cannot give you any compliance, too little and the tyre rolls around too much...

So 225 on 8.5 feels good ( on the road - not driving too fast) but I think it will lose grip on track before a car with 225 on 8"
235 is perfect on 8.5
255 on 8.5 will give you more braking ( as it's wider) but at the expense of cornering ( tyre is too wide to be held in place 'correctly' )

It depends on the brand, the suspension set up and how you like to drive too - this is what I think - and that could all be wrong :-D

[shimmy]

It depends on the brand, the suspension set up and how you like to drive too - this is what I think - and that could all be wrong :-D



Most likely.:)

[northernjim]

Most likely.:)


:thumbs:

Shimmy the new 'stanced' king :smokin:

[shimmy]

:thumbs:

Shimmy the new 'stanced' king :smokin:

'show and shine' next week. You coming over to do some polishing :thumbs:

[billyboysm3]

'show and shine' next week. You coming over to do some polishing :thumbs:

Shimmy you got your refurbed splitters back yet or has Barry pinched them
after you told Simpson's to set his car up wrong?

If so any good?

[shimmy]

Shimmy you got your refurbed splitters back yet or has Barry pinched them
after you told Simpson's to set his car up wrong?

If so any good?


not back yet as coming with my APs which are not finished.

[glendog74]

I like these wheels Shim. You fancy selling them on?! :whistle:

[shimmy]

I like these wheels Shim. You fancy selling them on?! :whistle:

I'm tempted, still got my CSL rims in grey/black.

I bought these ZCP really incase I bought an E92 that needed them

[0-60Motorsports]

Car looks great.

[JBird]

I have been thinking of fitting ZCP comp rims, and trying to work out if they will fit? Figured someone is bound to have tried this already :notworthy:, and so just found this thread from a while back.

Shimmy, I was wondering if you left these on your car in the end? How did you get on after a bit of driving? Any contact to the wheel arch on the front? Like you say in the earlier post:

CSL rims are 8.5J and et 44 which make the outside of the rim about 64mm out from the hub face.

ZCP front rims are 9.0J et 31 so are 83.3mm out from the hub face.

im not sure there is 19mm of flexibility before you hit the wheel arch?

CSL rears fited to the fornt stick out 94mm from the hub and thye only fit at -3 camber.

Agree with all those numbers, and would additionally say that for every 1 deg of negative camber, you gain around 5mm clearance at the top of the wheel arch. I'd be running fairly std camber (-1.5deg on last KDS). So they are gonna be pretty close to touching! I guess the brand of tyre will also effect things by a few mm depending on how chunky the tread is on the shoulders.

I guess another way of asking the same Q is does anyone run 20mm spacers on std front 19 x 8.5 ET 44 rims, with std camber, and clear the wheel arch OK?

In addition to clearance, how have people found handeling with this wider front track setup?

Cheers!

[JBird]

Reading some other posts on here (http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10283&highlight=Rear+front+rims), i am guessing it will tramline like a bitch....

Possible GTS style alternative from the company WSP:
http://www.wspitaly.com/Wsp-Italy/BMW/W675-Basel-M-Silver.html

Available with 19 x 8.5 ET34 on the front, and 19 x 9.5 ET 23 on the rear. This would mean the front rim face is 10 mm further OB compared to OEM and the rear just 5mm.

Come in at just under a grand (euro) on Fleabay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-19-Zoll-M3-Design-Felgensatz-8-5-9-5x19-Zoll-3er-E46-E90-91-92-93-GTS-/350786532578?pt=Auto_Felgen&hash=item51ac81b4e2)

[shimmy]

ZCP are a better fit than Standard CSL rims. Stick out a bit more but not overly aggressive.

Maybe just a small spacer at rear if you are OCD but otherwise better stance than OEM

I use mine as day to day rims but I have CSL size tyres on them

[JBird]

Cheers Shimmy,

Is the handling OK on normal roads then? I must admit the setup does look pretty sweet in the pics you posted. What camber were you running in those pics (one reposted below)?

I use mine as day to day rims but I have CSL size tyres on them

Ahhh...so you have 235s stretched over 9" rims on the front, and 265s over 10" on the rear? Glad to hear this works OK, as I mainly wanted a 2nd set of rims to fit some existing std sized tyres on to for ratting around in winter (if I have too!). I was a bit worried that they would look too stretched and take away some rim protection (:119:), but they look OK in your pics.

I am finding a lot of CS sets (i.e 8" on the front) available 2nd hand, but to find proper CSL fronts at a sensible price is proving a bit more difficult. ZCPs seem to be coming a bit more common to pick up 2nd hand now.

[shimmy]

they both are a little stretched but not massively. if you run e92 tyres i guess this is more likely to either rub or affect speedo/wheel speed but i guess only a possibility