KW clubsport Vs Intrax Ik2

[Barry C]

Hello,

which shocks are better? I know Intrax are the bigger name and probably are better but since they cost virtually the same i was thiking maybe KW's give more shock for the money?

I would have thought clubsports would have been a lot cheaper and was quite surprised to see they are both similar price . >£2k

I had a set of V3's on my e36 and thought they were awesome

are intrax Ik2 full coilover on the rear? do they need reinforcement or special top mounts at the rear or anything?

what about nitrions?

thanks

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I know Lawsy is doing a great deal on KW suspension, mine ordered today due Wednesday. :thumbs:

[s.mac]

Intrax are full rear coilover at the rear.
Always fit the Z3 rear reinforcement kit and always fit the front E46 reinforcement kit with after market suspension, they are not expensive. I have both part numbers somewhere.

[s.mac]

2 x E46 Reinforcement Plates Part number - 51 71 7 036 781 - fronts (£7.50 each)

[s.mac]

2 x Z3 Reinforcement Plates Part Number 51-71-8-413-35 - rears

[shimmy]

2 x E46 Reinforcement Plates Part number - 51 71 7 036 781 - fronts (£7.50 each)

Im gonna get these.....is the code 100% ;)

[_Nathan_]

I'd say KW is by far the bigger name?

They drive very differently from my brief go in a KW car.

Easier to cornerweight the car with a coil over on the rear from what I've seen but that might just be my lack of understanding.

Do KW still use allen keys for adjustment?

[s.mac]

Im gonna get these.....is the code 100% ;)
yes mate, they do a rivet kit which I don't know the part number of.
Although I think they are just pop rivets.... or you can get them welded in

Not mine but a picture I found when I was looking at the part number which confirmed it was the right number.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/duds001/topmounts.jpg

[shimmy]

Do KW still use allen keys for adjustment?

I think very recently they have changed.


yes mate, they do a rivet kit which I don't know the part number of.
Although I think they are just pop rivets.... or you can get them welded in

Not mine but a picture I found when I was looking at the part number which confirmed it was the one

ta Smac

[shane@mbtech]

I'd say KW is by far the bigger name?

They drive very differently from my brief go in a KW car.

Easier to cornerweight the car with a coil over on the rear from what I've seen but that might just be my lack of understanding.

Do KW still use allen keys for adjustment?

They have a nice shiny purple knob to adjust now. ;)

[_Nathan_]

Thank fook for that :thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

They have a nice shiny purple knob to adjust now. ;)

Lawsy, can you put up a photo please ? :beer:

T$

[shane@mbtech]

Lawsy, can you put up a photo please ? :beer:

T$

Photobucket will remove it within 12 hrs:hahaha:

But if you are serious, here you go.

5151

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Went down my local Sytner BMW with part numbers, the 51 71 7 036 781 was for Left hand drive cars both me and the parts department were confused, and the 51 71 8 413 35 was missing a number.
Any ideas ?? :thumbs:

[shimmy]

went down my local sytner bmw with part numbers, the 51 71 7 036 781 was for left hand drive cars both me and the parts department were confused, and the was missing a number.
Any ideas ?? :thumbs:


51 71 8 413 359

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Thanks Shimmy will try that rear number, any idea on the left hand part number but comes as two parts ??? left or right are the same I thought at £7.40 each.

[shane@mbtech]

Thanks Shimmy will try that rear number, any idea on the left hand part number but comes as two parts ??? left or right are the same I thought at £7.40 each.

Dont think the strut towers are sided Craig, probably on the left and right whether its LHD or not:hahaha:

Did your parcel arrive?

[CraigMillwardCroft]

That is what the BMW dealers part number came up with, suspension arrived about an hour ago cheers. :thumbs:

[Teavious]

I'm on the KW V3 suspension - do I need the reinforcement plates?

[shimmy]

I'm on the KW V3 suspension - do I need the reinforcement plates?

no, KW are not coilovers at the rear with V3 or Clubsport(i think) so no need

[s.mac]

they are both the same for each side. I would use these for any after market suspension as none seem to have a top mount as large as the OEM one which distributes the load well.

I did try searching for picture's I saw on the net, which showed severe cracks from OEM and after market. Then with more research it is a common problem that can be kept at bay buy using these plates, easy fix just like doing the z3 rears although the fronts go under the tower.

Sorry I missed the digit :whistle:

[s.mac]

sorry, I thought you were talking about the fronts :gayfight:

I would do the rears for the same reason though ;)

[TANKSLAPPER]

Photobucket will remove it within 12 hrs:hahaha:

But if you are serious, here you go.

5151


Cheers matey :thumbs:

T$

[shane@mbtech]

Cheers matey :thumbs:

T$

nice and easy to adjust now, no faffing with allen keys etc

[s.mac]

here you go Jim

[83SY]

I have always worked with Ohlins on the rally cars but just invested in Intrax Ik2 so hoping it lives upto the hype... :drool:

Not sure the Intrax would take this landing tho......
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/83sy/WALESRALLYGB.jpg

[shane@mbtech]

I have always worked with Ohlins on the rally cars but just invested in Intrax Ik2 so hoping it lives upto the hype... :drool:

Not sure the Intrax would take this landing tho......
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/83sy/WALESRALLYGB.jpg

You still rallying Si?

[83SY]

You still rallying Si?

No sadly not bud. Packed it in just after my 1st little girl was born (too expensive)
But the Evo is in storage!!!!

[MKoop]

No sadly not bud. Packed it in just after my 1st little girl was born (too expensive)
But the Evo is in storage!!!!

Used to do a bit of rallying myself in a C2R2 Max here in Ireland. But had a really bad crash back in 2010. The cost of rallying is :bigcry:

[northernjim]

here you go Jim

:whistle::partyman:

[83SY]

Used to do a bit of rallying myself in a C2R2 Max here in Ireland. But had a really bad crash back in 2010. The cost of rallying is :bigcry:

Did you get hurt or just finish the car?

I would advise anyone who considers starting rallying to estimate how much you will spend then double it & your not even close!
Im sure you will agree... :banghead:

[s.mac]

IMO you get what you pay for intrax 1.5k ish Ohlins 3 to 4 ish

But I have to say from all the CSLs I've followed on track the most planted had intrax ...

[shane@mbtech]

Intrax is approx £2200 ish.

The KW clubsport I use is pretty good too.

I will buy a set of intrax for mine next year, Ill then give a direct comparison.
If I dont like em Ill put the KW back on.

Or I might just borrow a set from someone.

[3wheels3]

Hits you straight away on first corner in Intraxed car verses bogo.

[83SY]

Intrax is 2295+vat fitted + £400+vat for the stainless steel / Titan bodies

I've been running Standard suspension so really looking forward to seeing what difference it makes!

[83SY]

Hits you straight away on first corner in Intraxed car verses bogo.

Where did you find improvement vs OEM suspension?
:drool:

[83SY]

IMO you get what you pay for intrax 1.5k ish Ohlins 3 to 4 ish

But I have to say from all the CSLs I've followed on track the most planted had intrax ...

Ohlins on the rally car was 1400 a corner! + you need a forest set & a Tarmac set to cover all surfaces... :(

[s.mac]

Sorry I meant to tap 2 not 1
2.5k ish
You can't get jack for 1.5 :(

[3wheels3]

Sy, I'm bogo suspension. Went in Shimmy's last year for first time and hadn't thought/forgot his was Intrax. Into cascades at oulton just out of pits.....an "arrrgghh so this is why everyone seems to go on about Intrax" moment. Even from passenger seat could feel what's going on with car miles better, seems more stable, more predictable, more gradual and on and on. Is best mod to car imo. You'll love I'm sure.

[83SY]

Sy, I'm bogo suspension. Went in Shimmy's last year for first time and hadn't thought/forgot his was Intrax. Into cascades at oulton just out of pits.....an "arrrgghh so this is why everyone seems to go on about Intrax" moment. Even from passenger seat could feel what's going on with car miles better, seems more stable, more predictable, more gradual and on and on. Is best mod to car imo. You'll love I'm sure.

Fingers crossed :thumbs: are doing Donny 31/8

[s.mac]

Shimmy will say it's his driving :clown: but the car does hug the Tarmac ....

[shimmy]

Shimmy will say it's his driving :clown: but the car does hug the Tarmac ....

It's my driving, I don't drive it hard enough :)

[3wheels3]

Bogo is like driving a double decker bus in comparison! Got to be worth 2 secs a lap and wouldn't bother to much trying to keep up wit' Intrax'd lads with bogo. If you're Intrax'd and you've still got us bogo boyz in rear view mirror then ffs give up :-D

[Bounce]

Bogo is like driving a double decker bus in comparison! Got to be worth 2 secs a lap and wouldn't bother to much trying to keep up wit' Intrax'd lads with bogo. If you're Intrax'd and you've still got us bogo boyz in rear view mirror then ffs give up :-DI'm with you Wheels;)

[shimmy]

Bogo is like driving a double decker bus in comparison! Got to be worth 2 secs a lap and wouldn't bother to much trying to keep up wit' Intrax'd lads with bogo. If you're Intrax'd and you've still got us bogo boyz in rear view mirror then ffs give up :-D

I'm not sure it's as important a that. The standard stuff is pretty good IMHO, especially on the more complicated and elevated tracks.

Where the a/m comes good is if you ride the kerbs or if you want to run really stiff springs, whereas my springs are just about as soft as standard CSL ones.

For instance at OP last year my Intrax was backed right off to soft, softer than I have it on the road due to the rain, then in the afternoon I forgot to stiffen it up and still managed a decent time for my first dry laps.

[O'Neill]

We'll see at Donny in Aug, Sy has done some rallying and put a decent time in at Donny on oem suspension with little track time, three sessions.

As Donny was his last td on oem and his first on Intrax it should be a good comparison to see how much of a difference Intrax makes over oem.

[shane@mbtech]

We'll see at Donny in Aug, Sy has done some rallying and put a decent time in at Donny on oem suspension with little track time, three sessions.

As Donny was his last td on oem and his first on Intrax it should be a good comparison to see how much of a difference Intrax makes over oem.

He needs to be below 1.18 or hes wasted his money. :finga:

[83SY]

We'll see at Donny in Aug, Sy has done some rallying and put a decent time in at Donny on oem suspension with little track time, three sessions.

As Donny was his last td on oem and his first on Intrax it should be a good comparison to see how much of a difference Intrax makes over oem.

I found the car felt abit soft down the curves & the flat left, flat left after the old hairpin (excuse me I don't know all the corners names) so hoping the intrax / stiffness will combat that + understeer end of the straight so extra camber should improve but two seconds is alot on a cica 1min 20sec track...

Here's hoping :beer:

[O'Neill]

He needs to be below 1.18 or hes wasted his money. :finga:

Let the psychological games begin :wink:

[83SY]

He needs to be below 1.18 or hes wasted his money. :finga:

1min 17.9 if I'm chasing you & using KER's !!!! :hahaha:

[83SY]

:gayfight: can't wait!!!!

Let the psychological games begin :wink:

[shane@mbtech]

1min 17.9 if I'm chasing you & using KER's !!!! :hahaha:

Dont know about KERS, but there will be plenty of WAN-KERS on track:hahaha:

Im only on budget KW, not like you posh intrax boys.

[O'Neill]

Dont know about KERS, but there will be plenty of WAN-KERS on track:hahaha:

Im only on budget KW, not like you posh intrax boys.

I'm on poverty spec Nitron, skinny front tyres (Not slicks ala Lawsy)

Lawsy are you going to run slicks or tough it out with us cup chaps:blalalala:

[3wheels3]

Let the psychological games begin :wink:

Haha...think the pSYops started 5 pages ago :-D

[3wheels3]

Sometimes struggle with my understanding kerb riding. With bogo there's so much weight transfer / body roll that the inside is so light it simply glides over apex kerbs and exit kerbs usually have so little steering input it poses little problem. Please help obwan....

[shane@mbtech]

I'm on poverty spec Nitron, skinny front tyres (Not slicks ala Lawsy)

Lawsy are you going to run slicks or tough it out with us cup chaps:blalalala:

I have no cups, and the A048 are not a patch on cups.

Ill be only very well used slicks, a wise man once told me that cups are as good as used slicks (curly)

[shane@mbtech]

Sometimes struggle with my understanding kerb riding. With bogo there's so much weight transfer / body roll that the inside is so light it simply glides over apex kerbs and exit kerbs usually have so little steering input it poses little problem. Please help obwan....

hitting a kerb straight on, ie a chicane, will show how good or bad a suspension set-up is.

Its not only the lightest side gliding over, its the weighted side which will determine how well it rides them.

All this talking of riding.......... anyone fancy talking me through a wank:hahaha:

[O'Neill]

I have no cups, and the A048 are not a patch on cups.

Ill be only very well used slicks, a wise man once told me that cups are as good as used slicks (curly)

I remember the conversation, to do with times at Oulton, worn slicks were still the quicker tyre though :wink:

[shane@mbtech]

I remember the conversation, to do with times at Oulton, worn slicks were still the quicker tyre though :wink:

Then I guess I'm fucked if I'm slow.

Im not a big Dan of Donny tbh, only really going for the craic,

Yeh right, who the fuck am I kidding, lol this is only visible if some fucker quotes me.

[shimmy]

Then I guess I'm fucked if I'm slow.

Im not a big Dan of Donny tbh, only really going for the craic,

Yeh right, who the fuck am I kidding, lol this is only visible if some fucker quotes me.

Cheeky fecker :)

[83SY]

Then I guess I'm fucked if I'm slow.

Im not a big Dan of Donny tbh, only really going for the craic,

Yeh right, who the fuck am I kidding, lol this is only visible if some fucker quotes me.

Slicks! Nice touch. Not that I'm buying any but what slicks do you run? & have you gone to 18inch rims?

Better give you my target sticker cos we will have to go some to keep up!
:bigcry:

[83SY]

Cheeky fecker :)


Shimmy seems very quite! :wink:

He's focusing his mind on kicking our arse! Early nights listening to dolphins wooo saahh!

[shane@mbtech]

Ex Porsche cup michelin fronts,

250 640 18

Yes, 18" square set up.

Although I might try a 270 rear slick at some point with the 250 at the front.

[83SY]

Ex Porsche cup michelin fronts,

250 640 18

Yes, 18" square set up.

Although I might try a 270 rear slick at some point with the 250 at the front.

So can you still buy the tyres new or are they specifically for Porsche cup competitors (controlled tyre) & you have to buy their semi worn ones? :119:

+ if you running slick do you run the car mega stiff?

Just interested....not going down that route..yet!

[Porker]

yes mate, they do a rivet kit which I don't know the part number of.
Although I think they are just pop rivets.... or you can get them welded in

Not mine but a picture I found when I was looking at the part number which confirmed it was the right number.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/duds001/topmounts.jpg

Would you reckon these reinforcements are needed when a rear strutbrace is needed (as pictured on my car).

Current setup is Intrax uni-ball topmounts + Wiechers strutbrace + Intrax 1K2. I would think the strutbrace mounting supports the top-mount as well?

[s.mac]

The picture I posted is for the front strut reinforcement, your rear set up looks like it does the same job as the oem reinforcement kit.
I would fit the fronts if you haven't done so.