CSL track rim options

[Barry C]

Hey guys,

what are you using? I was thinking of getting some track rims. I don't want to shell out a grand for another set of CSL's although I have no problem paying a few quid for a nice set of race wheels, BBS, Team Dynamics, Compmotive etc

Does the CSL handle better on the OEM 18's or the CSL 19's?

what are you using? As they say, a picture says a thousand words, don't be shy:thumbs:

also are the 18' track tyres much cheaper than 19' cups?

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I went the CSL BBS rims and car handles's very well, but some of the guy's run the 18's :thumbs:

[Yanto]

Gloss black CSLs, though if I had to choose again, would go 18 inch as I understand more wheel and tyre choice (and cheaper cups)

[shimmy]

Gloss black CSLs, though if I had to choose again, would go 18 inch as I understand more wheel and tyre choice (and cheaper cups)


i think if you do a small amount of trackdays then just buy CSL rims and stick 19 inch Cups on them. They look better for summer.

But 18 inch rims and cups a bit cheaper and you can rotate to lengthen tyre life, plus have a bit more front grip.

Just make sure the rims you buy for track are pretty strong an not cheap and brittle!

[EVLXGE]

Just fitted my 18 inch track wheels. Had a little jaunt to the curry house last night to test them out...

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/purdy84/1569895b.jpg

[mattCSLnut]

Just fitted my 18 inch track wheels. Had a little jaunt to the curry house last night to test them out...

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/purdy84/1569895b.jpg
I hope U didn't spill your curry ;) nice wheels BTW :thumbs: OZ Superlaggera by any chance ? :whistle:

[EVLXGE]

Took it very easy... -2 and semi slicks definitly make your arse twitch. :hahaha:

Yeah OZ Ultraleggera's. Obviously bought for functionality but pleased how good they look too.

[shimmy]

Took it very easy... -2 and semi slicks definitly make your arse twitch. :hahaha:

Yeah OZ Ultraleggera's. Obviously bought for functionality but pleased how good they look too.


i used to have some like that......never saw them!:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Took it very easy... -2 and semi slicks definitly make your arse twitch. :hahaha:

U sure it wasn't the Curry ;) :hahaha:

Yeah OZ Ultraleggera's

Even lighter :thumbs: choice wheel :smokin: did U weigh them before fitting tyres ?

[AlexGTT]

Took it very easy... -2 and semi slicks definitly make your arse twitch. :hahaha:

Yeah OZ Ultraleggera's. Obviously bought for functionality but pleased how good they look too.

Good choice. Ultra's are very light. :smokin:

Personally I prefer something more stock looking like Apex ARC's.

[northernjim]

Personally I prefer something more stock looking like Apex ARC's.

Just fekkkin buy them will you Alex!


Look V.cool in anthracite I think :smokin:

[AlexGTT]

Just fekkkin buy them will you Alex!


Look V.cool in anthracite I think :smokin:

:smt102:bigcry:

[shane@mbtech]

Just bought a set of ultraleggeras for me Datsun.
Can't wait to get them fitted. 285 toyo 888's all round too.

[dave wilkinson]

Just bought a set of ultraleggeras for me Datsun.
Can't wait to get them fitted. 285 toyo 888's all round too.

get some pics up when there fitted mate :smokin:

[AlexGTT]

Just bought a set of ultraleggeras for me Datsun.
Can't wait to get them fitted. 285 toyo 888's all round too.

:smt069Chop chop Shane. Get em' on.;)

[Barry C]

Took it very easy... -2 and semi slicks definitly make your arse twitch. :hahaha:

Yeah OZ Ultraleggera's. Obviously bought for functionality but pleased how good they look too.


they look great. where did you get them? whgat offset did you get? are all 4 the same or are they staggered?

[EVLXGE]

i used to have some like that......never saw them!:thumbs:

Im not surprised with that aliddins cave of CSL related spares you have.... :whistle:

[EVLXGE]

they look great. where did you get them? whgat offset did you get? are all 4 the same or are they staggered?

Got a very good deal on them used with a new set of tyres fitted. Hadnt set out looking for OZ, I actually wanted a 2nd set of OEM wheels. But these make much more sense for track.

Not sure on the offset but im running 10mm spacers front and 30mm rear. They sit very well in the arches. :thumbs:

All four the same. 265 section

[shane@mbtech]

:smt069Chop chop Shane. Get em' on.;)

They should be fitted for Donny, tyres are here, just waiting for wheels to come from Italy.

[EVLXGE]

They should be fitted for Donny, tyres are here, just waiting for wheels to come from Italy.

They should look great. :smt055

Can I stick my name down for a ride at Donny too please :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

They should look great. :smt055

Can I stick my name down for a ride at Donny too please :whistle:

Ha yeh, no probs. Although the queue is quite big already:hahaha:

[Yanto]

Ha yeh, no probs. Although the queue is quite big already:hahaha:

+ 1 please Shane :thumbs:

[shimmy]

+ 1 please Shane :thumbs:

:bigcry:

[s.mac]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanto http://www.cslregister.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?p=106808#post106808)
+ 1 please Shane :thumbs:

:bigcry: Today 08:57 PM

he will be after a lift with Lawsy :hahaha:

[AlexGTT]

he will be after a lift with Lawsy :hahaha:

:thumbs::hahaha:

[conleth m3]

Just had a set of team dynamics delivered 18x9 et30 all round and have a set of 265 cups to go on them. :thumbs:

Plenty Of clearance with my current set up of oem csl's 235/265 cups and 12mm spacers front and back.

To keep things similar I should be able to run rears with 12mm spacers and change the front to 3mm spacers, accounting for the change in widths and offset? Does this sound right?

Ie rear : et27 with 12mm spacer on 9.5 inch wheel being pretty similar to
et30 with 12mm but only 9inch wide

And front : et44 with 12mm on 8.5inch similar to
Et30 with 3mm spacer on wider 9inch rim?

Think ive confused myself with all the numbers :clown:

Cheers

Conleth

[shimmy]

Just had a set of team dynamics delivered 18x9 et30 all round and have a set of 265 cups to go on them. :thumbs:

Plenty Of clearance with my current set up of oem csl's 235/265 cups and 12mm spacers front and back.

To keep things similar I should be able to run rears with 12mm spacers and change the front to 3mm spacers, accounting for the change in widths and offset? Does this sound right?

Ie rear : et27 with 12mm spacer on 9.5 inch wheel being pretty similar to
et30 with 12mm but only 9inch wide

And front : et44 with 12mm on 8.5inch similar to
Et30 with 3mm spacer on wider 9inch rim?

Think ive confused myself with all the numbers :clown:

Cheers

Conleth


I don't run TD but I would have though the front doesn't need spacers.

[shane@mbtech]

I don't run TD but I would have though the front doesn't need spacers.

Correct. IIRC correctly I just ran spacer on rear. 10 or 12mm.

I also ran et20. Rubbed very slightly on high G corners, but I mean slightly,

This is et20 with 10 or 12 mm spacer.

:bigcry::bigcry:makes me want to buy it back.

5157

5158

[shimmy]

:bigcry::bigcry:makes me want to buy it back

Once the thought is planted YOU KNOW it won't go away! :smokin:

[shane@mbtech]

Once the thought is planted YOU KNOW it won't go away! :smokin:

TBH, I would only buy that one back, and its strictly not for sale:bigcry:


but if you beat me at Donny, then I might have to buy one. LOL

[shimmy]

TBH, I would only buy that one back, and its strictly not for sale:bigcry:


but if you beat me at Donny, then I might have to buy one. LOL

If I beat you at Donny with you in the GtR' you need to by a mobility scooter?:whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

If I beat you at Donny with you in the GtR' you need to by a mobility scooter?:whistle:

I need to get out in it for some practice:thumbs:

Might take it to work in morning, see how icy it is first. Pointless task if icy.

[conleth m3]

Cool, nice one fellas. :thumbs:


Conleth

[Barry C]

Thanks for all the replies,

i'm thinking of pulling the trigger on some team dynamics 18x9 et30 all round?

Can any one confirm is this the right size or should I be going for a different offset. I don't want them rubbing or to have to roll the arches:gayfight:

If i fitted a different offset could i get away without spacers? I have AP's front and rear...

I assume 265/35 is ok on 18x9

finally, gloss black or matt black?:hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

Thanks for all the replies,

i'm thinking of pulling the trigger on some team dynamics 18x9 et30 all round?

Can any one confirm is this the right size or should I be going for a different offset. I don't want them rubbing or to have to roll the arches:gayfight:

If i fitted a different offset could i get away without spacers? I have AP's front and rear...

I assume 265/35 is ok on 18x9

finally, gloss black or matt black?:hahaha:

Ive had both gloss and matt, both et 30 and et20. All in 18x9.

I recommend 18x9 et30 with a 12mm rear spacer.

Also go matt black as I discoloured my gloss ones in the centres, due to heat from my brakes. I was driving it hard and the heat transfer faded the centres after 3 trackdays. Matt black FTW.

I also ran 265 35 18 with zero issue on 9j rim.

[Barry C]

Ive had both gloss and matt, both et 30 and et20. All in 18x9.

I recommend 18x9 et30 with a 12mm rear spacer.

Also go matt black as I discoloured my gloss ones in the centres, due to heat from my brakes. I was driving it hard and the heat transfer faded the centres after 3 trackdays. Matt black FTW.

I also ran 265 35 18 with zero issue on 9j rim.


nice one, i'll order them now. any pictures of the CSL's on team dynamics?:smokin:

[shane@mbtech]

nice one, i'll order them now. any pictures of the CSL's on team dynamics?:smokin:

Page 3 on this thread.


McFly?:hahaha::hahaha:;)


Few more here.

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4841&highlight=oulton+park

[3wheels3]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, newbie an' all that :thumbs:, but can this 265 square setup people talk about be run on standard suspension? Thanks in anticipation.

[shimmy]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, newbie an' all that :thumbs:, but can this 265 square setup people talk about be run on standard suspension? Thanks in anticipation.


never tried but even if the rims fit...the problem you may have is the extra suspension travel especially on track so you may get rubbing.

[Barry C]

never tried but even if the rims fit...the problem you may have is the extra suspension travel especially on track so you may get rubbing.

this is what i will be doing, let hope its ok:whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

this is what i will be doing, let hope its ok:whistle:

Take the 5mm allen key grub screw off your front top mounts, slacken your 13mm's off then push your shocks in fully.

It makes the standard set-up so much better:thumbs:

[shimmy]

this is what i will be doing, let hope its ok:whistle:

Tbh if you do trackdays and have decent tyres it is a bit of a false economy not upgrading suspension as you pay for it in tyre wear anyway.

[Barry C]

Tbh if you do trackdays and have decent tyres it is a bit of a false economy not upgrading suspension as you pay for it in tyre wear anyway.


yeah, I'm well aware of the benefits of coilovers. I had an e36 Track tool with KW's etc but I'm trying to avoid molesting the CSL as long as possible, i just really like the way it handles on the road and don't want to go messing with the suspension just yet.

I probably will go for coilovers eventually. I'm doing a trackday tomorrow so i'll see what the handling is like and make a decision then..:whistle:

[_Nathan_]

Snet tomorrow?

[Barry C]

Snet tomorrow?


No MONDELLO PARK, (in ireland)

[magnust]

Tbh if you do trackdays and have decent tyres it is a bit of a false economy not upgrading suspension as you pay for it in tyre wear anyway.

Could you please explain? What difference in wear have you seen?

[shimmy]

Could you please explain? What difference in wear have you seen?

mainly front inner and outer wear as the car rolls more onto the tyre edges.

its much easier to manage tyre wear

[Barry C]

so does anyone have pictures of matt black team dynamics on a SG CSL?:drool:

[shane@mbtech]

so does anyone have pictures of matt black team dynamics on a SG CSL?:drool:
I have some at home on hard drive somewhere.

Ill try get some on tonight.

Your tyres are waiting to be collected. :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

Just had a set of team dynamics delivered 18x9 et30 all round and have a set of 265 cups to go on them. :thumbs:

Plenty Of clearance with my current set up of oem csl's 235/265 cups and 12mm spacers front and back.

To keep things similar I should be able to run rears with 12mm spacers and change the front to 3mm spacers, accounting for the change in widths and offset? Does this sound right?

Ie rear : et27 with 12mm spacer on 9.5 inch wheel being pretty similar to
et30 with 12mm but only 9inch wide

And front : et44 with 12mm on 8.5inch similar to
Et30 with 3mm spacer on wider 9inch rim?

Think ive confused myself with all the numbers :clown:

Cheers

ConlethI have same wheels mate, -3 camber , no spacer on front, and 10mm rear ..sorted.

I don't run TD but I would have though the front doesn't need spacers.Correct

[Barry C]

I have some at home on hard drive somewhere.

Ill try get some on tonight.

Your tyres are waiting to be collected. :thumbs:

nice one:thumbs:courier should be there tomorrow

I have same wheels mate, -3 camber , no spacer on front, and 10mm rear ..sorted.

Correct

without the -3 camber would the fronts catch? great info here guys, keep it coming:thumbs:

[DuncanR]

without the -3 camber would the fronts catch? great info here guys, keep it coming:thumbs:No I dont think they would mate, but I have Intrax sussy on mine, not std.

[shimmy]

No I dont think they would mate, but I have Intrax sussy on mine, not std.

with 265/35/18 tyres and 9.0J rims, if you can get 30-35 et offset they will fit in nicely

mine are 9.5J with same tyres and et34 and dont rub on any decent camber

[conleth m3]

I have same wheels mate, -3 camber , no spacer on front, and 10mm rear ..sorted.

Correct


cool, nice one dunc :thumbs:

car being set up for me now, intrax gone on as well, though only the 'cheapo' version not the kick ass 4 ways like yours :supz:. cant wait to try it out.

[EVLXGE]

Fitted my 18inch OZ Ultaleggeras last night and Shimmy's earlier comment of a possible issue with standard suspension and square set up has got me a little concerned. Im running 10mm spacers front, havent got a fooking clue what the offset is but ill take a picture tonight so you can see what it looks like. Dont fancy them rubbing the arches. :bigcry:

Barry did you have any issues on the last TD you did?

ps... I know I should stop being a tight cooont and fit some KW's. Had Inp 2, new tyres, tax,and insurance this month so skint...thats the excuse im sticking too. :)

Edit to add pics

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/purdy84/12a97f36.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/purdy84/5ab5857d.jpg

[shimmy]

with 265 fronts i reckon we have about 10mm space between Intrax shocks and arch liner rubbing.

My car was about 1mm off damper so i added 3 mm spacer so i am about 6mm off damper and 6 mm off arch.

now with nitron the damper is about 3mm bigger on the threaded spring base so i have less space to get wheel into. i have about 1mm space with 3mm spacer fitted so i reckon i can addd about another 5-6 mm before wheel hits arch. dont do hubcentric 8mm spacers so gonna try Duncs 10mm spacers and see whats what!

[Barry C]

Barry did you have any issues on the last TD you did?



you must have me confused, I haven't fitted them yet, I'm hoping they will fit:bigcry:

[EVLXGE]

you must have me confused, I haven't fitted them yet, I'm hoping they will fit:bigcry:

Ah right. Ill find out sunday at Donny. Ive got some 19's with cups fitted as a back up though.

....balls havent got cups fitted, meant super sports. The spare cups ive got are nearly dead and 4 years old so new supersports are probably better anyway.

[EVLXGE]

I went out for a bit yesterday on the raod and couldnt see any sign of arch rubbing. Hopefully it will be ok on track. :banghead:

Will probably take 19's as back up though

[shimmy]

Ah right. Ill find out sunday at Donny. Ive got some 19's with cups fitted as a back up though.

I have been comparing these tyres with 265/30/19 fronts which rubbed at et27 however the 265/35/18 are 1.1 inches less diameter so about 13mm less radius and less poking into the wheel arch. So might be easier to work, just keep an eye on the arch rather than arch liner maybe

Still try it on full lock and soft suspension but where it will matter at Donny is compression at Craners or under braking at Redgate.

[O'Neill]

I have been comparing these tyres with 265/30/19 fronts which rubbed at et27 however the 265/35/18 are 1.1 inches less diameter so about 13mm less radius and less poking into the wheel arch. So might be easier to work, just keep an eye on the arch rather than arch liner maybe

Still try it on full lock and soft suspension but where it will matter at Donny is compression at Craners or under braking at Redgate.


Are you sure?

http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html

[shimmy]

Are you sure?

http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html

No :bigcry:

[Curly]

Looks like you might be doing less than me tomoz shim:whistle:

[shimmy]

Looks like you might be doing less than me tomoz shim:whistle:

I'm taking my dremmel :smokin:

[Barry C]

rims arrived as did 8x R888:thumbs:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/autotradersupraiv/58783298.jpg

Now when I bought these i was under the impression they'd fit no problem but as I understand it I need to muck about with spacers etc. i got 10mm for the rear but I've a feeling I'll need a 5mm for the front?

did any of you (conleth or Evlxge?) have rubbing issues with the 18x9 on the front? running 265/45?

i haven't got the tyres fitted yet. #needtogetthefingerout:wink:

[EVLXGE]

OZ Ultraleggeras (not sure of the offset). No issues with rubbing. Had 10mm spacers on the front first but ended up running without as they looked a little too close for comfort. Would of been fine on KW etc but to much roll on standard suspension.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/purdy84/IMG_5573.jpg

[Barry C]

hmm I have a feeling I'm going to end up needing coilovers. If thats the case I'll probably just sell the team dynamics and but another set of CSL's and cups:banghead:

[shimmy]

rims arrived as did 8x R888:thumbs:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/autotradersupraiv/58783298.jpg

Now when I bought these i was under the impression they'd fit no problem but as I understand it I need to muck about with spacers etc. i got 10mm for the rear but I've a feeling I'll need a 5mm for the front?

did any of you (conleth or Evlxge?) have rubbing issues with the 18x9 on the front? running 265/45?

i haven't got the tyres fitted yet. #needtogetthefingerout:wink:

What off set did you buy

Et30 should fit ok front and 12mm spacer at rear

[Barry C]

What off set did you buy

Et30 should fit ok front and 12mm spacer at rear

Yep 18x9 ET 30. 265/45/18 with a 10mm spacer at the rear on stock suspension.

Fingers crossed!

[northernjim]

OZ Ultraleggeras

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/purdy84/IMG_5573.jpg







Really really like your car with these wheels mr exxlrge

[shane@mbtech]

Yep 18x9 ET 30. 265/45/18 with a 10mm spacer at the rear on stock suspension.

Fingers crossed!
#
That will work perfect Barry.

Stop being a pussy and just get them on, :gayfight:

[daniel]

rims arrived as did 8x R888:thumbs:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/autotradersupraiv/58783298.jpg

Now when I bought these i was under the impression they'd fit no problem but as I understand it I need to muck about with spacers etc. i got 10mm for the rear but I've a feeling I'll need a 5mm for the front?

did any of you (conleth or Evlxge?) have rubbing issues with the 18x9 on the front? running 265/45?

i haven't got the tyres fitted yet. #needtogetthefingerout:wink:

Not 265/35/18?

[shane@mbtech]

Not 265/35/18?

Yes 265 35 18. I sold him them:thumbs:

[Barry C]

#
That will work perfect Barry.

Stop being a pussy and just get them on, :gayfight:


nice one, I hope you are right. rims and tyres are on the west coast in my parents house, CSL is on the East coast:banghead: might sort it out the weekend of the 17th although I doubt too many mechanics will be working that day in Ireland:beer:

[conleth m3]

you're right barry, not much usually happens then, apart from :beer::beer::partyman:

hopefully getting my coilovers looked at this weekend then TDs should go on with no spacers on the front. will see how close it is and put some pics up.

conleth

[shane@mbtech]

you're right barry, not much usually happens then, apart from :beer::beer::partyman:

hopefully getting my coilovers looked at this weekend then TDs should go on with no spacers on the front. will see how close it is and put some pics up.

conleth

There are no issues on both coilovers and standard suspension on et 30. I have ran both:supz:

[O'Neill]

Correct. IIRC correctly I just ran spacer on rear. 10 or 12mm.

I also ran et20. Rubbed very slightly on high G corners, but I mean slightly,

This is et20 with 10 or 12 mm spacer.

:bigcry::bigcry:makes me want to buy it back.

5157

5158

The wheels fill the arches just right:drool:, where did it rub front or rear.

[shane@mbtech]

The wheels fill the arches just right:drool:, where did it rub front or rear.

Not 100%, iirc front and rear, not worth worrying about though.

I had arch rub on the front on et 26 18 x 9 td pro race 265 35 18 yoko a048s, it was this ring trip, not worth worrying about, but just on edge of front tyres. It was only down the fox hole, but I was'nt braking until after the compression so I was motoring:smokin:

[O'Neill]

Not 100%, iirc front and rear, not worth worrying about though.

I had arch rub on the front on et 26 18 x 9 td pro race 265 35 18 yoko a048s, it was this ring trip, not worth worrying about, but just on edge of front tyres. It was only down the fox hole, but I was'nt braking until after the compression so I was motoring:smokin:

That takes some balls, CSL, thats a gps 150+ mph:smokin:

et26, thats a strange offset for the td pro race 1.2, I thought they only come in et15, et20 and et30.

Your previous set up in the Oulton pics was et20 front and rear with a 10mm spacer on the rear, slight rub, was that on the front or rear.

I only ask as Ive ordered a set off 18x9 et31 and want to space the wheels spot on. Thinking 3mm front for et28 and 20mm rear for et11.

[shane@mbtech]

That takes some balls, CSL, thats a gps 150+ mph:smokin:

et26, thats a strange offset for the td pro race 1.2, I thought they only come in et15, et20 and et30.

Your previous set up in the Oulton pics was et20 front and rear with a 10mm spacer on the rear, slight rub, was that on the front or rear.

I only ask as Ive ordered a set off 18x9 et31 and want to space the wheels spot on. Thinking 3mm front for et28 and 20mm rear for et11.

TD can et whatever you want, I customised mine based on previous trials.

My et 20 had 10 mm rear spacer, so et 31 with 20mm spacer will have yours 1mm further in than that photo at Oulton and your fronts 8mm further in.

Im happy with my et 26 front and et 16 (with spacer) rear that Im now running.

I think the et11 might just be borderline. As Im sure my rears caught very slightly. But as I always advise, try yourself. You are running firmer suspension than my KW clubsport, so should have slightly less lean. Try for yourself, and you can change spacer size to suit. You are also running cups, all tyres have slightly different sidewall thickness.

[O'Neill]

TD can et whatever you want, I customised mine based on previous trials.

My et 20 had 10 mm rear spacer, so et 31 with 20mm spacer will have yours 1mm further in than that photo at Oulton and your fronts 8mm further in.

Im happy with my et 26 front and et 16 (with spacer) rear that Im now running.

I think the et11 might just be borderline. As Im sure my rears caught very slightly. But as I always advise, try yourself. You are running firmer suspension than my KW clubsport, so should have slightly less lean. Try for yourself, and you can change spacer size to suit. You are also running cups, all tyres have slightly different sidewall thickness.

Cheers

Turner do a 17.5mm spacer I think I'll order them for the rear, less chance of rubbing.