Stock vs modified, can You guess Ring time difference?

[Kislik]

stock car against car with let say KW, headdress and catback, ecu mapping, lighter seats

10s? more?

[Rutkowski]

Providing that the suspension is set up correctly - you should see a difference - have more confidence on track.

It's all about suspension, tyres and ability to use as little brakes as possible. Real men don't brake, remember that.

LOL

[Kislik]

Providing that the suspension is set up correctly - you should see a difference - have more confidence on track.

It's all about suspension, tyres and ability to use as little brakes as possible. Real men don't brake, remember that.

LOL


lol sure, but you have not said anything to my question, just widely known facts . yes car will be more stable I know with KW susp. I ask how many seconds i can expect

[toplad]

I don't know how many laps you've done or what sort of driver you are, but are you sure your at the limits of the standard setup, if not any gains will probably be down to confidence rather than improvements in mechanical grip, which you could probably achieve with more practice and training.
If you are at limits of the oem setup I'd guess no more 10 seconds. I honestly think it would take years to master the ring, it different everday depending on the weather/temp

[northernjim]

I don't know how many laps you've done or what sort of driver you are, but are you sure your at the limits of the standard setup, if not any gains will probably be down to confidence rather than improvements in mechanical grip, which you could probably achieve with more practice and training.

I honestly think it would take years to master the ring, it different everday depending on the weather/temp

exactly:beer:

are you at your limits at the ring yet mr kislik? because I realise now that all the money i have spent on upgrading the car could have been spent enjoying it and upgrading me at the same time:beer:

[Kislik]

Am I on the limits? probably not, but I think I'm close to them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJFbK3VTFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itQOUhdLS88

[whopwop]

Super lap.
If that's you driving and in a standard setup I'm afraid I've no worthwhile advice for you.
However, I went from standard to a KW cs , cage, AP setup and it changed my confidence substantially.
I believe 15/20 secs off .

[titan]

stock car against car with let say KW, headdress and catback, ecu mapping, lighter seats

10s? more?

taking a bit of weight out of the car will amount to faff all. KW - well that depends on how they are setup, I've seen plenty of people "upgrade" to coilovers, have them set wrongly and do "worse".

no doubt about it though, the 'ring lap time does seriously benefit from horsepower as there's plenty of sections to use it.

nightmare question to answer though, unless you had a closed track all to yourself, just picking up 2 cars of traffic can make all the difference...

[Kislik]

taking a bit of weight out of the car will amount to faff all. KW - well that depends on how they are setup, I've seen plenty of people "upgrade" to coilovers, have them set wrongly and do "worse".

no doubt about it though, the 'ring lap time does seriously benefit from horsepower as there's plenty of sections to use it.

nightmare question to answer though, unless you had a closed track all to yourself, just picking up 2 cars of traffic can make all the difference...


correct about the traffic but You can fell the difference when no traffic. and yes again Ring is a lot about power, but we know that it's power to weight ratio what makes it fast so if I can 't have more power from the cal maybe i can have less weight :-)

the stock setup is very well compromised for street and track and I don't track in anywhere else than the ring, but still the suspension is a bit weak specially on fast parts like schwedenkreutz it's scary in 240+

[toplad]

Was that a 7:50 lap kislik?

[shane@mbtech]

Was that a 7:50 lap kislik?

You sarcastic fucker, I like it:hahaha::hahaha:

I was about to say the same, it looks like a 8.10 ish iirc, so he still has 20 seconds in stock form to find.

hit a 7.50 or better, then start modding.

The above is not criticism, because undoubtably you are quick. Great lap.

[toplad]

Lol, but I meant it,I'm not that sarcastic.
:hahaha:
Looking at the time graphic at the top, I thought it was BTG 7:50?
Either time is a lot faster than anything I've turned in

I wish I had the funds to setup camp and spend a month there, I wonder how many laps you'd need to be competent

[DuncanR]

My 2 pennuth for what its worth as a newbie at the ring ... Get a cage in before you push any harder in a stock car, 2 reasons, main one being safety , secondly, just caging it is an upgrade of sorts as it will stiffen the car up... Then go from there.

[shane@mbtech]

Lol, but I meant it,I'm not that sarcastic.
:hahaha:
Looking at the time graphic at the top, I thought it was BTG 7:50?
Either time is a lot faster than anything I've turned in

I wish I had the funds to setup camp and spend a month there, I wonder how many laps you'd need to be competent

I done an 8.10 BTG with traffic and passenger on far far far too soft springs which where hitting the inner arches like a mofo- carousel was 25-30mph max.

That was approx my 15th lap.

I am quite a quick learner, and I get to a point pretty quick- I reach a point and cant get further, its frustrates at times. This was the main reason I sold my first CSL- different story. People start of slower than me but then catch up and slowly go faster

I reckon on my next visit I could do a 7.50 BTG, on right set-up. I am by no means the greatest driver. My next step is lessons- Shim highly recommends this....

I have a couple of vids with Dunc chasing me doing approx 8.15, I need to upload them to youtube actually.

[Kislik]

well I have to mention I spend many many time in 2009 to try to make a super fast lap with my GTR. I finished on 7:57 WHOLE LAP. but it's very very difficult to get a no traffic lap where nobody slows you down in those speeds. I was on I guess 6 public days and 4 or 5 club days like pisten in this year and I believe I get only couple chances to have "empty" track

so I don't believe I can ever go close to 7:50 whole lap with CSL as this was done by some test pilot on CLOSED TRACK.

I just want to go a little quicker and still be safe, means mainly suspension which are a bit weak and the car almost flies at schwedenkreutz from 240 higher (and I can go 260 there with this baby) and also fuchsrohre can be quicker but after the compression there the car is a bit unstable in the upcoming lest corner even when I go 220 in fuchsrohre, but from just power point of view 240 is feasible

[shane@mbtech]

well I have to mention I spend many many time in 2009 to try to make a super fast lap with my GTR. I finished on 7:57 WHOLE LAP. but it's very very difficult to get a no traffic lap where nobody slows you down in those speeds. I was on I guess 6 public days and 4 or 5 club days like pisten in this year and I believe I get only couple chances to have "empty" track

so I don't believe I can ever go close to 7:50 whole lap with CSL as this was done by some test pilot on CLOSED TRACK.

I just want to go a little quicker and still be safe, means mainly suspension which are a bit weak and the car almost flies at schwedenkreutz from 240 higher (and I can go 260 there with this baby) and also fuchsrohre can be quicker but after the compression there the car is a bit unstable in the upcoming lest corner even when I go 220 in fuchsrohre, but from just power point of view 240 is feasible


Either way you are v fast there.

I feel to get a csl any faster round the ring would require power and power only.

The brakes/susp etc as standard are well suited to the ring, although a more aggressive geo will help corner grip slightly.

Try it and let us know how you get on.

7.57 is a very very quick time. :thumbs:

[Kislik]

ok so I used my drift box today at the ring... and voila 7:59 BTG not bad I guess :-)


I just downloaded the data from droftbox and loaded BTG overlay from diftbox tools and it says 7:54 how is the difference possible? did I set it wrong BTG on the box? I mean the star and finish line?

and says VMax 234? I=d guess more, but ok this is GPS speed not speedo

[DazBlackCSL]

Just remember ... racing is for setting times and collecting trophies .. :whistle: this is the ring and there is no champagne spraying after .. :-D

My advice enjoy the ring for what it is and forget your watch, want to set times .. get yourself a race licence and compete :smokin:

[Kislik]

Just remember ... racing is for setting times and collecting trophies .. :whistle: this is the ring and there is no champagne spraying after .. :-D

My advice enjoy the ring for what it is and forget your watch, want to set times .. get yourself a race licence and compete :smokin:


I'm not racing at public days at the ring, i'm just curious what times can non-pro drivers do there with stock or almost stock car do and compare

[DuncanR]

Andrew on here the previous owner of my car, full spec in vBgarage, used to do BTG of 7:40, I asked him how he did it earlier in the year, and he said by scaring himself ! ... enough said. He used to do a few hundred laps a year at the Ring whilst he was based in europe.
Like you he started to get faster and faster, but took the very sensible decision of chucking a cage in , and adding the Intrax suspension.