steering rack

[7.77]

hi,
i need a new steering rack (lot of play following a rupture of the line), anybody for a good deal with a new one or a good 2nd hand ?? Mr Thorney ??

[azrael]

There is one on ebay I think

[7.77]

nope....nothing after a quick search

[7.77]

looking at the bmwfans.info, the reference of the csl steering rack is the same as the normal M3, is it normal ?

[DuncanR]

CSL rack is a slightly quicker rack i thought, new price is twice a normal M3 rack, but std M3 rack will fit CSL from breakers yard I reckon :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

looking at the bmwfans.info, the reference of the csl steering rack is the same as the normal M3, is it normal ?
No it's not the same as the normal E46 M3. CSLs steering rack is unique to the CSL and the CS E46 M3.
14.5:1 for the CS & CSL compared to 15:4:1 for the normal E46 M3 :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

hERE YOU GO ! FOOK CAQPS

http://www.ca-at.co.uk/items/M3VsCSLSpecDifferences.JPG

[7.77]

ok, so it seems to be the reference of the csl and cs.

anyone has facilities with Mr Thorney ? it's about the steering rack of the csl broken in parts ? have no reply about my enquiry, i think he doesn't want to send something to france. So if someone could just ask him about it, pick it up ans send it to me, it would be great

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

The CSL Rack is slightly quicker in the
turn ratio than the std E46 M3 Rack.

The BMW Z3 Rack from a 1.9 up to a
2.8 is also the same ratio as the CSL,
but it has to be the half steel/half alloy
casing version, and not a Z3M Coupe
either.

There is no centre steering angle sensor to the Z3 Rack.

The quick Z3 Rack is not so easy to find.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[azrael]

Sorry it was this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-BMW-3-SERIES-M3-CSL-STEERING-COLUMN-61318375400-/170487896103?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b1ded827

[Rutkowski]

Crucial to safety parts like steering rack... i'd buy brand new only.

[7.77]

Someone knows the price of a new one in uk?

[DuncanR]

Someone knows the price of a new one in uk?iirc they are just over the grand now mate, about £1,100 but Im sure we can get you a proper quote from a stealer.

So we all dont ring Ant at his new job, does anyone have a reason to call Elms today, so could ask for the current heavily discounted CSL Register price ?

[7.77]

Exactly the same price in France. Only 7 left in germany. Only 5% discount (even for professional). It is twice the price of a standart m3 rack

[DuncanR]

Exactly the same price in France. Only 7 left in germany. Only 5% discount (even for professional). It is twice the price of a standart m3 rackAnd there is no way that there is twice the work in it ffs !!:banghead: , do you have warranty with the car as the rack is covered ?

[7.77]

Nô warranty in France after 5 years! We all pay a lot to run the Csl ! This problem is just following the "normal" rupture of the hose ! steering pump + hose + rack= 3000 € !!!!!! i have to bé in love with it to keep it

[grumps]

Why not get it refurbished ?

[7.77]

Why not get it refurbished ?

where, i don't have any time to search a company.

still waiting for the steering rack, car at the dealer waiting :bigcry:

another bad news about the windscreen, just lokk at my other post about it

[7.77]

steering rack in france !!!!! normal windscreen in stock.............have to play loto, today :thumbs:

[azrael]

Good news, where did you find the steering rack?

[7.77]

had to take a plane, shake these white collars at the factory in munchen, had some beers, pick up the steering rack, had some beers, take the plane back to france, had 1 beer, and mollest my dealer !

no, there was just 7 left at the factory. my dealer had to send some fax and mails in germany. he finally received it this morning.

ask the official csl register dealer (murkett ??) to order 2 or 3, just in case.

it is based on an exchange, you can't keep your old rack

[ChrisCSL]

As you may already know from my post in "Hi to new members", my car was converted from RHD to LHD. Now I just learned, that the CSL steering rack is twice the price than a normal M3 rack.

Hmmm. I get a little bit unsure, if they really build in an original LHD CSL rack.
So, I just turned the wheel: It is exactly 1,5 turns from center to full turn in.
:smt017 So, please enlighten me: Is it a CSL rack or just a "standard" M3 one? :smt017

Chris

[shimmy]

As you may already know from my post in "Hi to new members", my car was converted from RHD to LHD. Now I just learned, that the CSL steering rack is twice the price than a normal M3 rack.

Hmmm. I get a little bit unsure, if they really build in an original LHD CSL rack.
So, I just turned the wheel: It is exactly 1,5 turns from center to full turn in.
:smt017 So, please enlighten me: Is it a CSL rack or just a "standard" M3 one? :smt017

Chris

I believe a CSL rack is different and like a Z3M rack

[ChrisCSL]

Yep, they are different!
CSL Rack has transmission ratio of 14.5 : 1
M3 only 15.4 :1. So CSL rack is slightly faster.

What I don't know is: One and a half turns from center to full lock, is that 14.5 or 15.4 : 1?
Or in other words: How much turns do you need in your cars?

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Sounds like you have E46 M3 Rack.

E46 M3 is 15.4.1 which is approx
2.95 turns lock to lock, so
approx 1.5 each way.

E46 CSL is 14.5.1 which is approx
2.7 turns lock to lock.

A Z3 Rack from a 1.9 to 2.8 engined car is almost
the same as the CSL rack, just a fraction
slower, you would never notice it
but the Z3M rack is slower at 3.0 turns.

Z3 Rack will bolt straight in as well and you can
use the same outer tie rods etc.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[ChrisCSL]

Thank You!
Yes I definitely don't have the CSL rack.

Made a quick and dilettantish simulation:

Thats a CSL rack, full lock at 126 degrees
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/116/bildschirmfoto20120508u.png
By chriscsl (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chriscsl) at 2012-05-08

and M3 rack, full lock at 171 degrees
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/116/bildschirmfoto20120508u.png
By chriscsl (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chriscsl) at 2012-05-08

Quite a difference. For sure more than I had expected.
I think this will be my project for the next winter
:supz:

[ChrisCSL]

I assume, you guys can supply me with plenty of cheap CSL steering racks, left from your last LHD to RHD conversion?


























..nope, I don't really think so...:banghead:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

If your Car was RHD and has been
Converted to LHD which exhaust
manifold [Header] do you have
fitted ?

Just that the LHD gives a couple more
ponies, slightly better flow on the primaries.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[ChrisCSL]

Good hint, thanks!
Any ideas, how to check? Is there any visible difference between LHD and RHD manifold?
Am I right, that there only is a difference in the manifold for cyl. 4-6?:
http://de.bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E46/Coupe/Europe/M3_CSL-S54/browse/engine/exhaust_manifold/
Manifold for cyl. 1-3 is identical?

I bet that the RHD one is still in there.

[Pooky]

As a quick point the lock to lock turns of a steering system is not a guide of ratio as it depends on rack travel. BMW have a history of having different rack travels on their M cars to restrict lock to account for bigger front wheels and tyres, and this affects the lock to lock measurement.

Only way to properly measure the steering rack ratio is to measure rack travel vs pinion angle, this is how rack ratios are specified in the industry. So for a straight non variable ratio you can measure rack bar travel per one turn of pinion, you end up with a figure of mm/rev.

The steering wheel to road wheel ratio, quoted as a number like 15:1 etc, is affected by both the phasing of the column universal joints and the amount of ackermann the car produces.

And last point, if you have a car with variable steering ratio like a lot of modern cars, (and the original E36 3.0 M3), you can measure a small lock to lock amount which misleads you into thinking it has a fast ratio, when it actually has a slow ratio on centre that speeds up towards end of lock.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

ChrisCSL- Yes, its the second Header
where the Primaries are formed to
go around the RHD Steering linkage.


Pooky- what you said is correct but does
not alter the fact that the CSL Rack is
quicker than the std E46 M3 Rack, the
Z3 1.9 - 2.8 Rack is 2.7 at 54mm per rev
so is just a tad slower than the CSL Rack,
although it has tab locks on the rack.

The Z3M Rack ratio is slower again and that
the only variable rack that I recall
BMW supplying on M Cars was on the
E36 3.0 which was 41mm on the first turn
and then different there after, making it
slower over all.

The current E9X M3 has the quickest rack
of all M Cars at 12.5.1 but the rack is
60mm longer and the rack mounting points
are wider apart than E30/E36/E46.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[failed]

does the Z3 rack bolt on straight to M3/CSL? or does it need any modification?

failed

Hi,

The CSL Rack is slightly quicker in the
turn ratio than the std E46 M3 Rack.

The BMW Z3 Rack from a 1.9 up to a
2.8 is also the same ratio as the CSL,
but it has to be the half steel/half alloy
casing version, and not a Z3M Coupe
either.

There is no centre steering angle sensor to the Z3 Rack.

The quick Z3 Rack is not so easy to find.


Regards,

The Gorilla.