Depreciation on an M6

[tbellamy85]

After a few months of searching with a friend at work I am now interested in swapping the CSL to an M6, however are these machines going to hold prices well in a few years compared to the CSL? I bought the CSL for the driving experience and a future investment. But my concern is that if I buy an M6 that has been offered to me for £23k what will it be worth in years to come

Cheers
T

[Yanto]

I don't think so. Personally, I think they'll continue to shit their value as:

1. High number about (compared to CSL)
2. V10 has (I believe) a percieved / known high maintenance cost and will bankrupt you if goes pop
3. Feckin ugly

I think they are great GT's and much car for the money, but price wise, I think they'll go the way of 840/850.

Buy with a warranty seems to be the advice .

Good luck !

[Bounce]

I don't think so. Personally, I think they'll continue to shit their value as:

1. High number about (compared to CSL)
2. V10 has (I believe) a percieved / known high maintenance cost and will bankrupt you if goes pop
3. Feckin ugly

I think they are great GT's and much car for the money, but price wise, I think they'll go the way of 840/850.

Buy with a warranty seems to be the advice .

Good luck !Agree with Yanto on this.They will not hold there value like a CSL and you need deep pockets to run one.:bigcry:;)

[glendog74]

I don't think so. Personally, I think they'll continue to shit their value as:

1. High number about (compared to CSL)
2. V10 has (I believe) a percieved / known high maintenance cost and will bankrupt you if goes pop
3. Feckin ugly

I think they are great GT's and much car for the money, but price wise, I think they'll go the way of 840/850.

Buy with a warranty seems to be the advice .

Good luck !

+2 I agree with Ian for a change... :hahaha:

I would keep the CSL and stretch to getting the M6 as well if funds allow. You can then sell the M6 in 6 months after you've had your straight line fun and before it's value plummets too far lol!

[tbellamy85]

Thanks for the quick advice guys.

I thought they would still plummet in price, the bonus of the deal was that he was putting a new BMW Warranty on it at £1900 for no extra charge.

But knwoing now that prices are still yet to fall, its not a great time to change I guess.

Running costs are high, but I only intend to use for fun similar to the CSL.

Thanks
Thomas

[Pip1968]

+2 I agree with Ian for a change... :hahaha:


Yanto + Bounce + Glendog = 3 :whistle:

Ps. +1 = 4, ie I agree the M6 I think will be a money pit without a warranty and still relatively expensive with. Worst case is buy it and put it up for sale almost immediately whilst enjoying the initial buzz and sell as soon as possible with most of its warranty left.

Pip

[LeinsCSL]

M6 buying guide in Evo this month

They reckon the roof is prone to leaking too

[3wheels3]

Don't invest in airlines or buy an m6 :thumbs:

I have also felt drawn to the mighty v10 but thankfully resisted when csl +40k and again at csl +20k.

[glendog74]

Yanto + Bounce + Glendog = 3 :whistle:

Pip

Technically i think +1 means 'in addition to', so i think i can sleep soundly tonight knowing that Bounce and i were +1 & +2 in addition to Yanto's original observation... :birdman: ;)

[Bounce]

Technically i think +1 means 'in addition to', so i think i can sleep soundly tonight knowing that Bounce and i were +1 & +2 in addition to Yanto's original observation... :birdman: ;)Thats right Rob.:hahaha:;)

[Pip1968]

What ever. Talk to the hand :blalalala:

Or perhaps I should say hands !

Pip ;)

[Rutkowski]

Asking such questions on M3 CSL forum won't give you the answers.

On here, you have people that think only CSL can take corners fast and everything else is a boat. Also, most are into trackdays and hence the point of view towards... do not buy it.

An M6 is great for B road blast but not so much on track - too heavy. Curb weight is 1785kg (all in)

Ok, i actually had an M6 so i'll give you my advice;

1. Running costs as a daily driver - forget it tbh. 12 - 14mpg is an achievemnt in town but mid 20s on motorway runs. I feel the issue of fuel consumption is magnified by smal tank (73L)

2. M6 which was tested by Chris Harris on Silverstone, did 2 seconds faster than E90 M3.

3. The overtaking power is fcking addictive as is the V10 sound which beats CSL inline 6 on so many levels...

4. M6 is a GT car. Relaxing and refined, quiet.

5. Rock solid in high speeds!!

6. You hardly ever see an M6 on the road

7. There are many things that have been enhanced compared to E60 M5 (i only say this because people always start comparisons) i.e. Aluminium doors, CFRP side wings, CF roof and so on.

8. Faster from rolling start compared to 997 Turbo

9. 200 mph rocket! Exotica teritorry

10. The last V10 M engine derived from F1

My advice is - buy it and i can't see an M6 losing much money. I see some at £19k but tbh. there is a difference between the early and late models.

Now go and buy one in SS II and full leather only!! oh and warranty as well - early models do have certain issues...

[jsk]

Some very valid points by rutkowski and the M6 is an epic car BUT boy is it ugly :hahaha: Not sure I could live with it on my drive.

But if you fancied a few months of fun with it and then shifted it quickly I don't think you'd lose much.

[Yanto]

Fair points Rutkowski - never said it was a bad car...in fact, I said it was a great GT.

Am not precious about CSLs. I think they're great cars but there are some better and some worse. I've had some great laughs cornering "at speed" in my old 205 Gti. I just don't buy the straight line speed arguement unless you are at a vmax event (which doesn't appeal to me at all). Useless quality on a public road with the cameras / rozzers which leaves trackdays, which let's be fair, there are better options than an M6.....and no, I don't neccesarily mean CSL ;)

I think my depreciation view still stands. The M6 is a mega but strikes me (from reading forums) as a technically complicated car...which is great new and warrantied but I believe a less attractive proposition to the used car buyer in the future as they fall into the hands of people who won't maintain them correctly...could see gtr going the same way for example.

Lower numbers, less complicated, smaller capacity engine, probably more enthusiast owned examples etc will probably mean the CSL will shit less of it's value which was the original basis of the question.

[Yanto]

and I still maintain, it ain't pretty.

[Yanto]

+2 I agree with Ian for a change... :hahaha:

I would keep the CSL and stretch to getting the M6 as well if funds allow. You can then sell the M6 in 6 months after you've had your straight line fun and before it's value plummets too far lol!


That's because you're usually wrong homo :blalalala::hahaha:

[tbellamy85]

It is a SS II with full leather and nearly all the options with BMW comp warranty.

Just can't justify loosing loads of cash after a couple of months

[_Nathan_]

lol at derived from F1.

[billyboysm3]

It is a SS II with full leather and nearly all the options with BMW comp warranty.

Just can't justify loosing loads of cash after a couple of months

Why not rent one for the weekend/week then your know if its the car for you and save you some dosh in the long run.

My mates got a rental company so Ive had the pleasure of driving one. They sound awesome and are rapid. But I got bored after a couple of days as its to grown up, like the new M3. Thats why I prefer the rawness of the csl, as I dont do many miles as year.

[tbellamy85]

Why not rent one for the weekend/week then your know if its the car for you and save you some dosh in the long run.

My mates got a rental company so Ive had the pleasure of driving one. They sound awesome and are rapid. But I got bored after a couple of days as its to grown up, like the new M3. Thats why I prefer the rawness of the csl, as I dont do many miles as year.

I might try that mate, like you say they are fun for raw power but it will probably get boring after a while. Everytime I jump in the CSL it's like a new experience. What's the rental company by the way?

[mattCSLnut]

That's because you're usually wrong homo :blalalala::hahaha:
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: stop it girls :gayfight: ;)

[mattCSLnut]

I might try that mate, like you say they are fun for raw power but it will probably get boring after a while. Everytime I jump in the CSL it's like a new experience. What's the rental company by the way?

:thumbs: :smokin:

[Rutkowski]

lol at derived from F1.

did you not read BMWs press release? :hahaha: ;)

[Rutkowski]

Fair points Rutkowski - never said it was a bad car...in fact, I said it was a great GT.

Am not precious about CSLs. I think they're great cars but there are some better and some worse. I've had some great laughs cornering "at speed" in my old 205 Gti. I just don't buy the straight line speed arguement unless you are at a vmax event (which doesn't appeal to me at all). Useless quality on a public road with the cameras / rozzers which leaves trackdays, which let's be fair, there are better options than an M6.....and no, I don't neccesarily mean CSL ;)

I think my depreciation view still stands. The M6 is a mega but strikes me (from reading forums) as a technically complicated car...which is great new and warrantied but I believe a less attractive proposition to the used car buyer in the future as they fall into the hands of people who won't maintain them correctly...could see gtr going the same way for example.

Lower numbers, less complicated, smaller capacity engine, probably more enthusiast owned examples etc will probably mean the CSL will shit less of it's value which was the original basis of the question.

:thumbs: i can't see CSL losing much so yeah - a sound investment.

People go on about how many cameras are there but let's be honest here;

1. CSL is a fast car. 355BHP in a 1420kg will always be fast. I saw CSLs going at stupid speeds on public roads. If anything, i'd say M6 might be more fun because you reach 0 - 124mph in 12.8 seconds and slow down sooner. It takes 0 - 124 17.8 seconds in CSL to reach that speed.

2. Taking corners fast on public roads? just as dangerous

3. Trackdays are expensive.

4. There always is a compromise so a 2 - car scenario (M6 and CSL) would be a perfect combination. ;)

5. M6 serves a totally different purpose which is evident from the very first time when you seat behind the wheel.

M6 - Comfortable, quiet, good B Road handling, HUD and 500BHP V10 sound

CSL - tape deck, poor quality audio (can't hear radio properly @ 90mph) fixed seat position, not comparable to M6 comfort on any level, loud but somewhat... it appeals more to certain people and am fine with that. It's that raw feeling i guess, the awesome induction sound, the metalic exhaust sound.

I guess what i am trying to say is that CSL and M6 DO NOT compare. Apples to oranges.

.... but, i have seen one M6 sold @ £14k on auction.

Fit top of the range Motons, Swap seats to BMW Performance and wheels to BBS FI (the lightweight 7.7kg found on Ferrari 599) Brembo brakes.
Acrapovic full exhaust... 530bhp guaranteed.
Michelin cups tyres

You end up with a car which could make it feel much more RAW. It'd be faster, louder (in a good way) and all for £35K... which some like Nick Johnson ask for a CSL (low milage)

[LeinsCSL]

CSL - tape deck

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Wish I had the tape deck in mine now, cos the Business CD is feck all use anyway

[Rutkowski]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Wish I had the tape deck in mine now, cos the Business CD is feck all use anyway

:thumbs: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote- ''I might try that mate, like you say they are fun for raw power but it will probably get boring after a while.''

V10 Boring ? never on your life.

Just think of all the endless fun of trying
to get it recovered 24/7, all thy different loan
cars you will experince while its being fixed,
all that extra Post and endless phonecalls
regarding what is and what is not covered by
warranty, and the best bit of all is the Magic
and fun in getting a 2 ton Exocet back home
in one piece when it decides at Mach 2
that Limp Mode is much better for the environment.

I mean anything with 3 oil pumps, 125 psi + Vanos pressure
actuators on just about everything, 40 valves
and the blindingly smooth SMG 111 is not going
to be troublesome, now is it ?

No, I defy anybody that says the V10 is
boring, christ people que in 100 + degree
heat at Disney for hours on end
for such an unknown adventure as this.

The raw unknown excitement of SMG 11 on the CSL
does not even come close to V10 Ownership.

Had mine 3 weeks, which is 21 days in primate
speak, it spent 13 in the dealers 4 in limp
mode and about 2 on the back of recovery
vehicles.

V10 is Joy !!!!

If you do hire one, I would not stray to far from
home though.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Rutkowski]

Hi,

Quote- ''I might try that mate, like you say they are fun for raw power but it will probably get boring after a while.''

V10 Boring ? never on your life.

Just think of all the endless fun of trying
to get it recovered 24/7, all thy different loan
cars you will experince while its being fixed,
all that extra Post and endless phonecalls
regarding what is and what is not covered by
warranty, and the best bit of all is the Magic
and fun in getting a 2 ton Exocet back home
in one piece when it decides at Mach 2
that Limp Mode is much better for the environment.

I mean anything with 3 oil pumps, 125 psi + Vanos pressure
actuators on just about everything, 40 valves
and the blindingly smooth SMG 111 is not going
to be troublesome, now is it ?

No, I defy anybody that says the V10 is
boring, christ people que in 100 + degree
heat at Disney for hours on end
for such an unknown adventure as this.

The raw unknown excitement of SMG 11 on the CSL
does not even come close to V10 Ownership.

Had mine 3 weeks, which is 21 days in primate
speak, it spent 13 in the dealers 4 in limp
mode and about 2 on the back of recovery
vehicles.

V10 is Joy !!!!

If you do hire one, I would not stray to far from
home though.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

15000 M6 V10 built, twice that number on E60 M5 and all suffer the same fate..... Outrage! 2007 / 57 models are vastly improved and you hardly ever hear of SMG hydrolic pump failure or Vanos for that matter on these models.

If we were to talk i.e. Audi RS6 C5 and the fantastic DRC suspension then i'd agree - this subject made forum headlines, worldwide.

Indeed, early 2004 - 2006 models did have serious issues. Also, compare start up on 2004 - 06 to facelift model sound. ;)

M6 production ceased summer 2010. If these cars were to be so troublesome then surely, BMW would have gone bust big time.

[Yanto]

Ok, last I'll say on this......

M6 = Jordan. Deep down, we'd all have a go and you know it would be a mega experience. High speed madness with you beer goggles on for one night but wake up the next morning and you realise fugly with the ability to rape your wallet.

CSL = Pippa Middleton. Class, beautiful with a good dress sense. Nice arse and you could see a future without the $$ worry. Probably not a one night wonder but consistant.

Nail.Head.The End.

[s.mac]

got to be one of, if not the ugliest car ever built by bmw, had one as a hire car (not through choice!!) would rather have an m5
£23k :hahaha::hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Ok, last I'll say on this......

M6 = Jordan. Deep down, we'd all have a go and you know it would be a mega experience. High speed madness with you beer goggles on for one night but wake up the next morning and you realise fugly with the ability to rape your wallet.

CSL = Pippa Middleton. Class, beautiful with a good dress sense. Nice arse and you could see a future without the $$ worry. Probably not a one night wonder but consistant.

Nail.Head.The End.

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

make sure you adjust sound level accordingly. ;) :thumbs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0_aWx_Ci6g

Modified M6 vs Modified Porsche Turbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e94hAI_NddQ

:thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

1.40 second of the second video really does show how powerful these cars are .... Love it! :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

I like this one as well.

GTR VS M6 quarter mile run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVKbbYBN6OE&feature=player_embedded

[jsk]

Ok, last I'll say on this......

M6 = Jordan. Deep down, we'd all have a go and you know it would be a mega experience. High speed madness with you beer goggles on for one night but wake up the next morning and you realise fugly with the ability to rape your wallet.

CSL = Pippa Middleton. Class, beautiful with a good dress sense. Nice arse and you could see a future without the $$ worry. Probably not a one night wonder but consistant.

Nail.Head.The End.

Well said. Both M cars but coming from different angles. Power vs agility.

It's a personal choice - but don't think there will be many converts from this forum though ;)

[Rutkowski]

Here's another G Power V10 M5 about to explode.... these V10... nightmare!! don't look!!

224 MPH or 359 KM / H GPS verified. In another video it did 372 KM / H


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6kpW3zBeus&feature=player_embedded/H


:thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

Straight line yawn.

Raw cars are more fun as they feel fast without having to do 124mph, go out in an elise, at 60mph down country lanes they are brilliant.

[mattCSLnut]

Here's another G Power V10 M5 about to explode.... these V10... nightmare!! don't look!!

224 MPH or 359 KM / H GPS verified. In another video it did 372 KM / H


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6kpW3zBeus&feature=player_embedded/H


:thumbs:
Very brave of them to go out in that with less then a quoter tank of fuel :whistle: ;)
As Nathan said... straight line yawn :smt015

[glendog74]

Straight line yawn.

Raw cars are more fun as they feel fast without having to do 124mph, go out in an elise, at 60mph down country lanes they are brilliant.

Let Kris have his CSL owner baiting fun Nath - i think he's the only one here who really likes the fugly contraption anyway :hahaha: :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Let Kris have his CSL owner baiting fun Nath - i think he's the only one here who really likes the fugly contraption anyway :hahaha: :whistle:
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: you're being kind mate :whistle:

[Rutkowski]

Straight line yawn.

Raw cars are more fun as they feel fast without having to do 124mph, go out in an elise, at 60mph down country lanes they are brilliant.

so you're talking about the 'feeling' of going fast without actually going fast.... could it be because you seat so low that the perception of speed amplifies? ;)

In some regard, you're right but on the other - don't tell me you actually do not enjoy the over - taking power of some cars? You're used to CSL which isn't fast compared to V10s by any stretch of imagination + you love your racing and going fast in circles..... :hahaha:

There's a time and place for everything.

I keep hearing how boring driving fast in a straight line is (if there's such a thing on motorway...) try driving @ 200mph and tell me you're bored. :hahaha:

Watching might be but the same could be said about driving in circles on a race track....

straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake cornerstraight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner straight brake corner

or are we talking about Nordschleife, where acceleration matters as much as cornering ability? M6 / M5 does quite well there. Put it on Corsa / sticky tyres and you gain a lot of time as you well know this.....

[Rutkowski]

Let Kris have his CSL owner baiting fun Nath - i think he's the only one here who really likes the fugly contraption anyway :hahaha: :whistle:


:hahaha: i wonder why some people supercharge CSLs for.... ask Simpsons. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

What i enjoy about M6 / M5 is 1. the v10 sound 2. overtaking power 3. good b road handling 4. relaxed drive back home ....

what's not to like? :beer:

csl can do 2 of the above well... i'll let you guess it for yourselves. ;)

[LeinsCSL]

What i enjoy about M6 / M5 is 1. the v10 sound 2. overtaking power 3. good b road handling 4. relaxed drive back home ....

csl can do 2 of the above well... i'll let you guess it for yourselves

Well mine ain't the best at making the V10 sound, but I've never had a problem with the other 3 ;)

[_Nathan_]

:hahaha: i wonder why some people supercharge CSLs for.... ask Simpsons. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Because they want a faster car in a straight line but aren't partially sighted so cannot buy an M6?

[mattCSLnut]

Well mine ain't the best at making the V10 sound, but I've never had a problem with the other 3 ;)

:thumbs: :smokin:

[Rutkowski]

Well mine ain't the best at making the V10 sound, but I've never had a problem with the other 3 ;)

.... on the other hard.... i could say the same about my remapped van tbh.... :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Because they want a faster car in a straight line but aren't partially sighted so cannot buy an M6?

each to their own i guess.... :hahaha:

it's funny how every new sports car that's being released is stamped with 0 - xxx mph times or top speed..... as if it were soooo important.... MP4 12C is most famous for 3.1 seconds to 62mph or Italia 458 for doing similar.... and then for going fast in circles... Not the other way round. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

I'd even go as far as to say that the selling point of majority of sports cars is how fast they are... BHP, looks and whether it's been developed at Nordschleife. :hahaha: that will give you the sale and not how fast it goes in a circle at Bedford Autodrome. :)

[Rutkowski]

:thumbs: :smokin:

it looks like your only job around here is agreeing with CSL owners only... yep, if you don't have a CSL - you're wrong. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

;)

[mattCSLnut]

it looks like your only job around here is agreeing with CSL owners only...

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: Naturally... since I am one (that's CSL owner, before you say something inappropriate) ;) :hahaha: ... besides this is CSLRegister :whistle:

yep, if you don't have a CSL - you're wrong. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

;)

You've answered your own question there Kris ;) :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: Naturally... since I am one (that's CSL owner, before you say something inappropriate) ;) :hahaha: ... besides this is CSLRegister :whistle:



You've answered your own question there Kris ;) :hahaha:

:gayfight: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

at this point i'm tempted to say - i'll see you on m6register but what are the odds i wonder....?? :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

:gayfight: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

at this point i'm tempted to say - i'll see you on m6register but what are the odds i wonder....?? :hahaha:

I'm afraid less then zero to one Kris ;) :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Because they want a faster car in a straight line but aren't partially sighted so cannot buy an M6?

also, i wonder - what GT3 Porsche has that CSL hasn't got and won't ever catch up to it on circle racing.

One would be straight line speed - GT3s are much faster as you well know.

I reckon - V8 S65 engine (you know, the V10 with two less cylinders) in a CSL would make CSL a really fast car.

[Rutkowski]

fast cars 997 GT3 RS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg2Dd2VRHRM

[_Nathan_]

With your well constructed and reasoned argument you've won me over.

[Rutkowski]

With your well constructed and reasoned argument you've won me over.

yeah ok... tell me i am completely wrong then?

If you still insist that acceleration is not important then 1. you make up 0.0001% of all petrolheads 2. i don't understand certain GTR thread on certain forum....

ahh no need to reply, i already know the answer coming. ;)

[glendog74]

With your well constructed and reasoned argument you've won me over.

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

no brand loyalty on here... that's all i'll say on this subject.

:hahaha:

[_Nathan_]

If you still insist that acceleration is not important then 1. you make up 0.0001% of all petrolheads 2. i don't understand certain GTR thread on certain forum....

Number 1 - where did I say that? I've read my posts again and cannot see how you have inferred that? I said that I'd rather have a car that felt fast at sane speeds through driver involvement and rawness than a car that required you to be going so fast to get a buzz that you'd end up being big Ron's new girlfriend on B wing if you were caught.

Number 2 - I was impressed by the lap time, for such a big old bus it goes round corners well.

[mattCSLnut]

With your well constructed and reasoned argument you've won me over.

Almost had me as well ;) :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

Number 1 - where did I say that? I've read my posts again and cannot see how you have inferred that? I said that I'd rather have a car that felt fast at sane speeds through driver involvement and rawness than a car that required you to be going so fast to get a buzz that you'd end up being big Ron's new girlfriend on B wing if you were caught.

Number 2 - I was impressed by the lap time, for such a big old bus it goes round corners well.

:hahaha: :smt082 :hahaha: somebody call an ambulance ;) I'm in danger of splitting in half from laughter :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Number 1 - where did I say that? I've read my posts again and cannot see how you have inferred that? I said that I'd rather have a car that felt fast at sane speeds through driver involvement and rawness than a car that required you to be going so fast to get a buzz that you'd end up being big Ron's new girlfriend on B wing if you were caught.

Number 2 - I was impressed by the lap time, for such a big old bus it goes round corners well.

1. Define what mph is fast in your world, Nathan? This is where i think i am misinterpreting your posts..It looks like you and me have different opinions on what's fast for that adrenaline rush. also you talk as if b road blast is completely legal.... as if there's no danger of causing a fatal accident as well...

A fast, powerful car like an M6 accelerates 0 - 150 mph in 19 seconds. You got your kicks then slow down. In a CSL going flat out it takes twice that and therefore more chance of being caught IMO.

2. Big part of GTR's success stories is acceleration 0 - xxx mph... but it is the whole package that i find... tempting. GTR makes 90% cars look useless IMHO.

[_Nathan_]

On the road you can only drive to your visibility and have to consider other road users, as such there isn't a specific MPH that can be considered fast \ safe \ whatever as is constantly changes depending on visibility, traffic & road conditions.

Because of this on the road I'd rather have a car that is fun at lower speeds and feels faster than it is, my whole point is that I want the adrenaline rush without having to pin the throttle open for 19 seconds, the actual numbers aren't relevant.

[Rutkowski]

On the road you can only drive to your visibility and have to consider other road users, as such there isn't a specific MPH that can be considered fast \ safe \ whatever as is constantly changes depending on visibility, traffic & road conditions.

Because of this on the road I'd rather have a car that is fun at lower speeds and feels faster than it is, my whole point is that I want the adrenaline rush without having to pin the throttle open for 19 seconds, the actual numbers aren't relevant.

let's be honest here - 50 mph is hardly a thrill, isn't it? Unless you're cycling down a steep hill!! :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Seriously... To induce adrenaline rush you have to drive in a manner that you physically make some sort of effort....otherwise you're just driving. There is no other way around it.

Driving at speed limits - i can't think of anything, any car that'd give serious thrills. Superbikes - now that's an entire different story but not 4 wheels IMO.

i have been enough times in small 'fun' cars on country lanes to know that a risk of a cyclist riding two abreast or cats or whatever is always present.

CSL is a small, loud car so i can understand the attraction of it and what you're saying.... but induction noise does not come on until 4000rpm so again, we're talking speeding which theoretically speaking.... puts us in the same position really... you in CSL and Me in V10.

:beer: thanks for a sensible conversation. ;)

[Yanto]

Bored of this thread now.....

Kris, you got any other cars we can take the piss out of ? :hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

:hahaha: i wonder why some people supercharge CSLs for.... ask Simpsons. :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:


Because they are shit drivers and that think to be fast from point A to B, which includes several corners, they need stupid amounts of power. When in reality they only needed a bit of talent. :clown:

[_Nathan_]

Because they are shit drivers and that think to be fast from point A to B, which includes several corners, they need stupid amounts of power. When in reality they only needed a bit of talent. :clown:

lol, now you've done it.

[mattCSLnut]

Bored of this thread now.....

Kris, you got any other cars we can take the piss out of ? :hahaha:

:hahaha: Yeah, I think Kris mentioned a re-mapped Dieseasal Van :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Because they are shit drivers and that think to be fast from point A to B, which includes several corners, they need stupid amounts of power. When in reality they only needed a bit of talent. :clown:


i sometimes wonder what makes you tick... GT-R, Porsche Turbo, V8 M3.... not known to be slow?? :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

oh and onto the next observation.... why would you need that crazy front negative camber for?? factory setting not good enough with such skillzzzz?? LOL

[Bounce]

Bored of this thread now.....

Kris, you got any other cars we can take the piss out of ? :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Bored of this thread now.....

Kris, you got any other cars we can take the piss out of ? :hahaha:

as Matt mentioned... i have Renault Van, reeeemapped!! :thumbs:

no CSL can run away on very wet corners.... no aquaplaning whatsoever... big Zero and more torque, much more..... discuss. :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

:hahaha::hahaha:

don't you be encouraging these lot!! they don't need much... and that's speaking from experience. :hahaha: