BMW 1m

[Streetwise Hercules]

The smallest of the M cars has received an absolutely fantastic review in this months evo and went on to lap the Bedford Autodrome's West Circuit a hefty 1.9 seconds faster than our beloved CSL.

Great to see another fantastic M car but must admit that the trouncing the CSL's lap has taken, albeit on a different day probably by a different driver, was slightly less welcome.

Anybody here had a go or going to have a go in or at one?

[niall1]

Great to see another fantastic M car but must admit that the trouncing the CSL's lap has taken, albeit on a different day probably by a different driver, was slightly less welcome.

..and without Cup's I think?

[SachaR]

Troucing........ the CSL is 8 years old so its only a matter of time that this should happen though a surprise it has taken so long!!! not living in the uk, what does the E92 lap the EVO track in?

[Streetwise Hercules]

Troucing........ the CSL is 8 years old so its only a matter of time that this should happen though a surprise it has taken so long!!! not living in the uk, what does the E92 lap the EVO track in?

Oh, drop the defensive stance. 2 seconds is quite a difference.
Obviously cars evolve but this is an entry level M car showing a pretty clean pair of heels to the ultimate E46 M3 on special rubber.

The E92 manages the exact same time as the 1M but with a slightly higher peak speed.

[cslsuperfan]

i saw one on saturday morning whilst out in mine. Very suprised @ the 2 second deficit, although it was inevitable that BMW would eclipse the csl eventually. That said the M1 is a bit tinpot, a little like the boxster/911 debate. CSL might be slower but it killls it for presence.

Tried to gode him into having a bit of fun but he was worried about the stonechips...!! :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

Evo lap in the CSL was not on OEM Cups.

1M does sound like a cracking drive though. I'm testing one asap to see what all the fuss is about. Might drop the E90 M3 for one if it's that good.......................................but I doubt it. Looks tight for the kids in the back.:bigcry:

[glendog74]

Evo lap in the CSL was not on OEM Cups.

1M does sound like a cracking drive though. I'm testing one asap to see what all the fuss is about. Might drop the E90 M3 for one if it's that good.......................................but I doubt it. Looks tight for the kids in the back.:bigcry:

I was thinking of doing similar by trading my CSL for a new model Toyota Yaris when it comes out later this year :smokin: :thumbs:

[danp]

1M gets good press,must try one..

Is the ring time out yet?

[AlexGTT]

I was thinking of doing similar by trading my CSL for a new model Toyota Yaris when it comes out later this year :smokin: :thumbs:

You love Yaris.:smt055

Gaylord.;)

[mattCSLnut]

i saw one on saturday morning whilst out in mine. Very suprised @ the 2 second deficit, although it was inevitable that BMW would eclipse the csl eventually.
That said the M1 is a bit tinpot, a little like the boxster/911 debate. CSL might be slower but it killls it for presence.

Tried to gode him into having a bit of fun but he was worried about the stonechips...!! :thumbs:

:whistle: ......

[AlexGTT]

Is that you Matt!!!:hahaha:;)

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4247&stc=1&d=1306175071

[mattCSLnut]

Is that you Matt!!!:hahaha:;)

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4247&stc=1&d=1306175071
Close but no :smokin: That's my twin brother Christopher :blalalala: (as the slogan says ) trying his hardest to get fired after the failed attempt of the 7 Series fiasco :clown: closely followed by the X3 disaster :smt078

[alexk]

Well,

It's faster than the CSL @ Bedford but much slower at the Ring.
Interesting...

It could be one of these 'special' cars for the press and taking into account that it's turbo, it shouldn't be too difficult to make it 400+ hp
;)

we will see them on track with our own eyes and we will see how good it is:birdman:

[outnumbered]

I'm sure the 1M is pretty fast, and special in its own way.

The EVO Bedford laptime in the CSL has always looked a bit slow to me - surely it shouldn't be 2s slower than an E90 M3 Saloon, under equal conditions ? CSL has better BHP/ton for a start, and the chassis isn't that bad either...

[shane@mbtech]

A question if I may......


Do you guys really give a fuck? ;):hahaha:

[Yanto]

Spot on Shane :hahaha:

[TANKSLAPPER]

Time will tell.............................................b oring :birdman:

T$

[Bounce]

A question if I may......


Do you guys really give a fuck? ;):hahaha:Nooop:hahaha:It doesnt look as good as a Csl either.:blalalala:

[Streetwise Hercules]

A question if I may......


Do you guys really give a fuck? ;):hahaha:


Spot on Shane :hahaha:

Time will tell.............................................b oring :birdman:

T$

WTF? I ask a question about another BMW and that's the response?

[shimmy]

WTF? I ask a question about another BMW and that's the response?

Yes,


However they are still ugly and I challenge any 1M driver to an show down at Bedford:whistle:

[TANKSLAPPER]

WTF? I ask a question about another BMW and that's the response?


WTF ................ ! just buy one :hahaha:


Just because it got a BMW badge doesn't mean it's an "M" power car ;)



T$

[glendog74]

WTF? I ask a question about another BMW and that's the response?

Cheer up chap :goodman:

[glendog74]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23646

[shane@mbtech]

Cheer up chap :goodman:

He might be foreign and not get "our" humour. ;)

[LeinsCSL]

I think they look great (that's not meant to sound sarcastic), but I couldn't give a fook even if it broke Bellof's record, I still wouldn't be swapping the CSL for one

[glendog74]

He might be foreign and not get "our" humour. ;)

:whistle: :hahaha:

I think they look great (that's not meant to sound sarcastic), but I couldn't give a fook even if it broke Bellof's record, I still wouldn't be swapping the CSL for one

+1 :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

The 335i engine is wank compared to the S54, anyone driven a 1M to see how much M magic has been sprinkled on the engine?

[need4speed]

The 335i engine is wank compared to the S54, anyone driven a 1M to see how much M magic has been sprinkled on the engine?

Meant to be getting a test drive tomorrow; will report back if it happens!

[AlexGTT]

The 335i engine is wank compared to the S54, anyone driven a 1M to see how much M magic has been sprinkled on the engine?

Indeed. Problem is it's not an "M" engine, just a mildly tuned 335i motor. My 335i was lovely but engine was bland and pretty boring once you got over the usual turbo torque thing. Within 6 months I had it mapped and that kept my interest for a few months. Then got bored again!

[glendog74]

The 335i engine is wank compared to the S54, anyone driven a 1M to see how much M magic has been sprinkled on the engine?

Hee hee - you said "wank"

[approved]

of course its an m engine. its a new m engine, and its called progress.

its an entry level M, fast, economical, practical etc etc.

its no CSL, but its certainly an evolution of the brand.

given the cost of petrol, i think its a bold move.

i know its only a rendering, and i know you've seen it before, but if they built it, and called it a CSL, What would your thoughts be then?

its an awesome bit of kit at the end of the day.

shame a tuner and a graphic designer got to it first...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/111011730458/tuner-will-make-jon-sibals-alpine-white-1-series-m-coupe

[approved]

p.s your all gay, especially glendog...

[glendog74]

p.s your all gay, especially glendog...

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :bigcry:

[Streetwise Hercules]

He might be foreign and not get "our" humour. ;)

He's not foreign.

[_Nathan_]

I know why M are turning to turbos but it doesn't mean I have to think it is a great idea, the throttle response on a turbo engine just isn't there like it is on the great NA M engines. Don't get me wrong turbo engines are OK in appliances, we have 2 petrol turbos in our house at the moment (335i and ed30) but for me M engines are about throttle response, high rpms and great noise and I've not yet driven a turbo engine that gets close. I suspect in the future that the s65 will be seen as the peak of M engines.

[Streetwise Hercules]

I know why M are turning to turbos but it doesn't mean I have to think it is a great idea, the throttle response on a turbo engine just isn't there like it is on the great NA M engines....

I totally agree. I drove the current GT-R last week and whilst it's a staggeringly fast and capable bit of kit, in terms of throttle response it couldn't hold a candle to the Renault Clio Cup I used to own.
As you say, we all know why they are doing it but that doesn't mean we have to like it.

[shimmy]

I like it


I've changed my mind;)

[karbonkid]

I Love it

I never changed my mind!

[azrael]

I saw the 1M at GT Zandvoort and didn't know whether to sniff it or lick it... I like it :-D

[glendog74]

I saw the 1M at GT Zandvoort and didn't know whether to sniff it or lick it... I like it :-D

You should have tried your willy for size in the exhausts :bigcry: :thumbs:

[Bounce]

You should have tried your willy for size in the exhausts :bigcry: :thumbs:Thats why i need a SS back box,Oem is to small.:smokin:

[monkeycsl]

Thats why i need a SS back box,Oem is to small.:smokin:
And invite three friends over too:gayfight:

[glendog74]

And invite three friends over too:gayfight:

MAN TRAIN!!! :bigcry:

[karbonkid]

This forum has become unquestionably very GAY! :gayfight:

[glendog74]

This forum has become unquestionably very GAY! :gayfight:

'Become'...?

[AlexGTT]

MAN TRAIN!!! :bigcry:

Stop it Robert! I've told you before.:hahaha:

[glendog74]

Stop it Robert! I've told you before.:hahaha:

:whistle::whistle::whistle:

[Bounce]

Stop it Robert! I've told you before.:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[shimmy]

I'm shocked :smokin:

[Rutkowski]

A fantastic result for 1M. 1560kg and yet it manages to out - handle a track focused 1420kg CSL. IMPRESSIVE!

Chassis and suspension on 1M must be very well engineered. I reckon, CSL on road tyres vs 1M on road tyres and on Nordshleife, there would not be much in between these two.

A remap alone on 1M will get it up to 400BHP as well.... a serious bit of kit 1M is!!

[alexk]

A fantastic result for 1M. 1560kg and yet it manages to out - handle a track focused 1420kg CSL. IMPRESSIVE!

Chassis and suspension on 1M must be very well engineered. I reckon, CSL on road tyres vs 1M on road tyres and on Nordshleife, there would not be much in between these two.

A remap alone on 1M will get it up to 400BHP as well.... a serious bit of kit 1M is!!

Remind me you don't have a CSL... as a start :birdman:

Go get one and don't bore us with the pickup truck.
An E60 touring is lower than the "pirate"

[shane@mbtech]

Remind me you don't have a CSL... as a start :birdman:

Go get one and don't bore us with the pickup truck.
An E60 touring is lower than the "pirate"


:hahaha::gayfight:

[derek]

Im waiting till the faster SB version is available :hahaha:

[Rutkowski]

Remind me you don't have a CSL... as a start :birdman:

Go get one and don't bore us with the pickup truck.
An E60 touring is lower than the "pirate"

wtf is this?? :birdman:

how can an M car that's faster than CSL on track be boring?? not loud enough for you or what???

take a chill pill mate

[AlexGTT]

Remind me you don't have a CSL... as a start :birdman:

Go get one and don't bore us with the pickup truck.
An E60 touring is lower than the "pirate"

Easy Alex.:smokin: Does it really matter? So what if it's quicker. Lot's of things are quicker.

I don't think it'll be anywhere near the fun of a CSL but I like what I'm hearing and will try one for myself. Truth be told, I really fancy one. Not in the garish orange though, stealthy black for me. I've got one for a couple of days soon and I'll report back once I've done a few passes on my favourite local mountain roads.

[Ben]

I'm sure its brilliant but has anybody mentioned it's £40k!!! That's considerably more than what a well maintained CSL can be had for.

Of course if it is quicker than a CSL on track the where does that leave the GTS? Wasn't that only marginally quicker than a CSL on the ring?

[Rutkowski]

Easy Alex.:smokin: Does it really matter? So what if it's quicker. Lot's of things are quicker.

I don't think it'll be anywhere near the fun of a CSL but I like what I'm hearing and will try one for myself. Truth be told, I really fancy one. Not in the garish orange though, stealthy black for me. I've got one for a couple of days soon and I'll report back once I've done a few passes on my favourite local mountain roads.

;)

I prefer N/A engines - so much more fun but i am very impressed with 1M.

I am looking forward to your findings on this little devil, Alex. :thumbs:

[danp]

I reckon the 1M's tried by the press are kicking out nearer to 400bhp than 335bhp. ;)

And if I wanted a 1er that had loads of torque and didn't do anything above 5k rpm I'd get a mapped 123d. Wonder when the first diesel ///M's will be out...

On a slightly more serious note look forward to seeing one in the flesh this w/e and might even try one!

[shane@mbtech]

Is it just me that thinks it's fucking ugly

Not my cup of tea at all, regardless how fast it is.
I reckon it's a car that's quick with a great driver but an average Joe will be faster in a Csl I reckon.

[Dan]

of course its an m engine. its a new m engine, and its called progress.



Wrong, according to PH article released last December mate!

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22895

Hopefully of most interest to potential recruits to the M brand will be the 340hp straight six with twin turbochargers that gives the 1M a power-to-weight ratio of 227hp/tonne.


The engine has been lifted, apparently pretty much unmodified, straight out of the Z4 - which if true would make the giant 'Powered by BMW M' label under the bonnet seem a little (cough!) fraudulent.

;)

[alexk]

wtf is this?? :birdman:

how can an M car that's faster than CSL on track be boring?? not loud enough for you or what???

take a chill pill mate

Haha, I wind you up in no-time :thumbs:

Look, seriously now.
Everytime there is a new M model, the comparison threads start against the best M model up to now (aka M3 CSL).
Everybody is excited with the new model and it's so much better, bla-bla-bla.
The press is used for ///Marketing in case you didn't notice.

When both cars are on the track the inevitable happens.
The new model is no faster on track than the CSL.
These are the facts my friend, everything else is just speculation.
Let's wait untill some guys track the 1M and then we can compare.

Last but not least, if I wanted to get an 1M or M3 GTS, I would get one or both.
But personally I love the CSL and this is what I want to drive.
Now, if BMW Motorsport for 8 years cannot produce a car that is faster than the CSL on track is another thing.

[LeinsCSL]

Last but not least, if I wanted to get an 1M or M3 GTS, I would get one or both.

Well if I was in that position, I'd be off in a flash to join CLK-DTM-register.com

No offence to all you folks! :hahaha:

[glendog74]

Well if I was in that position, I'd be off in a flash to join CLK-DTM-register.com

No offence to all you folks! :hahaha:

http://serve.mysmiley.net/adult/homoswitch.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[LeinsCSL]

http://serve.mysmiley.net/adult/homoswitch.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

And I bet I wouldn't get that sort of abuse on CLK-DTM-register.com either :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Ah, I love my CSL more really!

[glendog74]

And I bet I wouldn't get that sort of abuse on CLK-DTM-register.com either :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Ah, I love my CSL more really!

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

Haha, I wind you up in no-time :thumbs:

Look, seriously now.
Everytime there is a new M model, the comparison threads start against the best M model up to now (aka M3 CSL).
Everybody is excited with the new model and it's so much better, bla-bla-bla.
The press is used for ///Marketing in case you didn't notice.

When both cars are on the track the inevitable happens.
The new model is no faster on track than the CSL.
These are the facts my friend, everything else is just speculation.
Let's wait untill some guys track the 1M and then we can compare.

Last but not least, if I wanted to get an 1M or M3 GTS, I would get one or both.
But personally I love the CSL and this is what I want to drive.
Now, if BMW Motorsport for 8 years cannot produce a car that is faster than the CSL on track is another thing.

:gayfight: i think i believe you... :hahaha:

Have you ever test driven M3 GTS?

Do you recognise picture from my avatar? :hahaha:

[SachaR]

Oh, drop the defensive stance. 2 seconds is quite a difference.
Obviously cars evolve but this is an entry level M car showing a pretty clean pair of heels to the ultimate E46 M3 on special rubber.

The E92 manages the exact same time as the 1M but with a slightly higher peak speed.

Wasnt trying to be deffensive, quite the opposite as it shows how good the CSL is.... To be honest I stopped my subcription to evo a few years ago because I was bored of evo as It seemed to loose its original direction and become a bit to serious and most importantly were always slating the CSL :whistle: (though they did see the light in the end! ;) )

My point was aimed only that for me development has slowed down a lot in the recent years, just take into consideration that top gear episode when they put modern road cars against rally cars..... ( i know TG is slightly on the light side) if you do that with modern cars in comparison to race/rally cars say 10 to 15 years old, the road cars may be slower.

(putting helmet on ready to be slated

[DuncanR]

didn't know whether to sniff it or lick it... I like it :-D PUT BLINDFOLD ON...SPIN HER AROUND AND GAMBLE !! :hahaha:

[Bounce]

PUT BLINDFOLD ON...SPIN HER AROUND AND GAMBLE !! :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[JezP]

Slap a big spoiler on the arse of it and it would look like an evo 8 or 9.

I like it :smokin:

[azrael]

Nothing more need be said, its lush, the end, I thank you :-D

http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23355/tn_P90074195-L.jpg

http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23355/tn_P90074184-L.jpg

http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23355/tn_P90074180-L.jpg

http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23355/tn_P90074182-L.jpg

http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23355/tn_P90074196-L.jpg

[outnumbered]

That looks absolutely ridiculous on many levels, the apology for a rear wing being one of them.

[azrael]

That looks absolutely ridiculous on many levels, the apology for a rear wing being one of them.

The wing is awful as is the one on the GTS

As for riduculous

http://www.computescotland.com/images/FvFRMHMHhRn0LgDnaGLg0ci07w.jpg

:-D

[azrael]

CSL's are old news, move over grumpy grandads :clown:

[glendog74]

CSL's are old news, move over grumpy grandads :clown:

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs::bigcry:

[Rutkowski]

CSL's are old news, move over grumpy grandads :clown:

:hahaha: :thumbs:

[Streetwise Hercules]

Haha, I wind you up in no-time :thumbs:

Look, seriously now.
Everytime there is a new M model, the comparison threads start against the best M model up to now (aka M3 CSL).
Everybody is excited with the new model and it's so much better, bla-bla-bla.
The press is used for ///Marketing in case you didn't notice.

When both cars are on the track the inevitable happens.
The new model is no faster on track than the CSL.
These are the facts my friend, everything else is just speculation.
Let's wait untill some guys track the 1M and then we can compare.

Last but not least, if I wanted to get an 1M or M3 GTS, I would get one or both.
But personally I love the CSL and this is what I want to drive.
Now, if BMW Motorsport for 8 years cannot produce a car that is faster than the CSL on track is another thing.

Wow, smug post. You keep patting yourself on the back and telling us how much money you've got...

Some magazines may give slightly biased reviews but imo the vast majority don't. Of all the writers out there I value the opinions of the evo guys most. Chris Harris has been quite outspoken on his opinion of biased reviews.
People who attempt to sound clever by banging on a tired old drum, claiming that it's all marketing are usually more naive than the person they are attempting to belittle.

In evo's hands, he 1M has lapped the west circuit faster than than the CSL.

'Those are the facts, my friend'

I'm genuinely interested by the new model. I don't find it as desirable as the CSL but some people will and do. I'm looking forward to hearing from people who've actually driven one, particularly the guys on here.

[AlexGTT]

Chaps, lets keep this one friendly. No need for all this.:smokin:

Streetwise, I'm trying one when I get back off hols in 2 weeks. Can't wait. Think I may really like.:thumbs:

Either way, my CSL isn't going anywhere. The V8 M3 on the other hand?:whistle: Who knows?

[Streetwise Hercules]

Fair enough Alex. I probably shouldn't have bitten.

Make sure you post up your (unbiased) opinions.





I'll stop now.

[AlexGTT]

I absolutely will. Something tells me I'm gonna like.:thumbs:

[ando]

Is it just me that thinks it's fucking ugly

Not my cup of tea at all, regardless how fast it is.


Just what I was thinking, won't be rushing out to try one, think the E46 is the best looking shape BMW have done.

Was always going to happen with the one series, there about the same size as a e46.

I think turbo cars are fun, easy to tune, but don't make the noise, it's all about the noise........

Ando

[mattCSLnut]

Just what I was thinking, won't be rushing out to try one, think the E46 is the best looking shape BMW have done.
:smt055 :thumbs:


Was always going to happen with the one series, there about the same size as a e46.

I think turbo cars are fun, easy to tune, but don't make the noise, it's all about the noise........
Ando

:supz: :thumbs:

[azrael]

Just what I was thinking, won't be rushing out to try one, think the E46 is the best looking shape BMW have done.

Was always going to happen with the one series, there about the same size as a e46.

I think turbo cars are fun, easy to tune, but don't make the noise, it's all about the noise........

Ando

Starting to look dated now, but now and then I catch it at the right angle and it looks brill. Still not sold on the E92 though

[LeinsCSL]

To be honest I stopped my subcription to evo a few years ago because I was bored of evo as It seemed to loose its original direction

With Meaden back writing for them and Harris joining I think it's the best mag out there by a long way

[Rutkowski]

I still think Evo is the best car magazine out there... :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Starting to look dated now, but now and then I catch it at the right angle and it looks brill. Still not sold on the E92 though

I look at the CSL and think it looks stunning still, then sometimes think it will never look dated.
But now I own the E92, I see lines that you dont notice straight away, its very similar in a way to the e46, then throws a modern twist in too.

Then when the e46 is next to the e92 I think the e46 does show a little age, still beautiful regardless.

This pic sort of got me hooked, and you can see the similarities between the 2.

The M1 is still fugly though. :smokin:

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[magnust]

I've driven the press car here in Sweden on two occasions. It's a real cracker that one! I haven't read any reviews of it at all yet though.

We had a whole day on an airfield track where we had these four to compare:

- 1 M coupé
- V8 PDK coupé
- CSL (mine)
- 2002 Turbo!

See where the idea for the article is going ;-)

Anyhoo, we had ample time in each car and I must say the 1 M is really really impressing! It pulls like crazy. Getting back in the CSL I got worried something was wrong with it before I after a lap or two re-accustomed myself to it :-D The 1 M is also a blast when turning the wheel, the short wheelbase is very present in the way it reacts and handles. Sometimes it's even a handful in the wet with all gizmos turned off.

You do always shift up 1000 rpm below the redline though, in stock trim there's no use going further up. This is IMHO a very small "blemish" which anyway probably can be fixed with aftermarket stuff. My main complaint is that it only comes with a manual gearbox. If it had less power I wouldn't mind this at all but with it's crazy pull I really really really missed PDK or SMG.

The CSL is with no question whatsoever the more focused track car. It's more communicative, absolutely more fun when driving hard on a track. But the 1 M is a truly great car, I'm 100% convinced it will sell in spades. It will be a fantastic treat at the Ring. And it can be tweaked to get even better. Now if they do a lightweight with PDK I'll have some trouble sticking with my beloved CSL... So I hope they don't :hahaha:




PS: Don't tell any Swedes about what I just wrote above, the article is probably a secret. Ooops, if you're a swede forget what you just read! :-D

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Seems the old CSL is ok yet for a while,
well on Track anyway.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23696

I just keep thinking that a E92 on the correct
diet with some proper brakes and sorted
suspension and bars, a nice free flowing
exhaust would be right on the money.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

Seems the old CSL is ok yet for a while,
well on Track anyway.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23696

I just keep thinking that a E92 on the correct
diet with some proper brakes and sorted
suspension and bars, a nice free flowing
exhaust would be right on the money.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Well spotted Sir :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.

[mattCSLnut]

B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.


You can :blalalala: if you own an M3 CSL :thumbs: It manages both very well :whistle: somehow ;) :hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Rutkowski- Quote-

''B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.''


Its as MattCSLnut has already stated.

The standard CSL suspension was
so very good for a near on 1500 kg car.

It can and does both very well.

Part of the ingredients that makes the car
what it is.

The M1 and V8 M3 just do not cut it
both ways out the box.

CSL does, standard brakes aside.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Rutkowski]

Hi,


Its as MattCSLnut has already stated.

The standard CSL suspension was
so very good for a near on 1500 kg car.

It can and does both very well.

Part of the ingredients that makes the car
what it is.

The M1 and V8 M3 just do not cut it
both ways out the box.

CSL does, standard brakes aside.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO... CSL is a compromised car as well.

One video i can't get my head round is this; (since we're talking CSLs)



The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

VS

The heaviest possible standard M3 with smg, sunroof, harman kardon 1570kg

on road tyres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoMSwig27UQ

2 seconds difference only sounds like nothing to me in this case... but i realise that braking and consumables will be much improved with the CSL.

Also, i do realise that on 10 laps, the difference would be quite noticable...

[shimmy]

2 seconds is a lifetime Kris, 2/10s would have been close.

Otherwise I agree with you

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

RutKowski- Quote-

''I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO.


That's why we all have differing opinions.

I very much like the std CSL set up for normal
road use.

I prefer a 'planted' car at the expense of
few a rattles and tracks jumped on the
CD.

Anything softer gets very washy on 'B' Roads
for me.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO... CSL is a compromised car as well.

One video i can't get my head round is this; (since we're talking CSLs)
The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

... it's what the L in CSL is all about mate ;) :hahaha: + Mich. CUPs are part of the CSL magic :smt055



VS

The heaviest possible standard M3 with smg, sunroof, harman kardon 1570kg

on road tyres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoMSwig27UQ

2 seconds difference only sounds like nothing to me in this case... but i realise that braking and consumables will be much improved with the CSL.

Also, i do realise that on 10 laps, the difference would be quite noticable...

With all due respect Kris... 2 seconds per lap on Anglesey's National 1.2 miles short circuit is a lifetime mate ;) :hahaha: difference between winning and loosing :smokin: After 30 laps (if not sooner) the regular M3 is going to get lapped by the CSL :smokin:
Further more ( feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) the Ring is effectively a German equivalent of a UK 'B' road, albeit one way and slightly smoother surface ;) and the OEM CSL suspension works rather well around the Green Hell :thumbs: ... even one that's been well & truly used :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

RutKowski- Quote-

''I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO.


That's why we all have differing opinions.

I very much like the std CSL set up for normal
road use.

I prefer a 'planted' car at the expense of
few a rattles and tracks jumped on the
CD.

Anything softer gets very washy on 'B' Roads
for me.

Regards,

The Gorilla.
Sorry Kris ... but I'm in agreement with the Primate :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

How much of the 2 secs was down to cups?

[glendog74]

Who cares - i like the CSL - fastest car in the world or not...

[alexk]

I don't know why Rutkowski is trying to convince everybody here that the CSL is not good.
It's almost like going to Mekkah to read the bible to the public.

I am like glendog, I adore the CSL :smt055

[Yanto]

I don't know why Rutkowski is trying to convince everybody here that the CSL is not good.
It's almost like going to Mekkah to read the bible to the public.

I am like glendog, I adore the CSL :smt055

you haven't seen his new site...

http://www.1mregister.com (http://www.1mregister.com/)

:thumbs:

[alexk]

The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres


Maybe you are not reading other threads.
My CSL for example with full tank, SS backbox (race lightweight), AP racing and aircon/radiocd/xenon/rainsensor is 1420kg.

[Rutkowski]

Fair enough, Gents - you win.

What i meant is that if they were to put standard M3 on Cups and test the lightest, stock M3 - there would be 0.5 seconds difference, no more IMHO.

That's a short track though - on longer, it'd be a different story not to mention that a heavier M3 would overheat tyres and brakes sooner.

[alexk]

you haven't seen his new site...

http://www.1mregister.com (http://www.1mregister.com/)

:thumbs:

Hahaha, we could register and start explaining everybody that the 1M is a 135i with LSD and worse single-piston brakes (aka Fuchsroehre spec TM).

[Rutkowski]

By the way - i have been taking apart my M3 and weighing stuff... i can't believe how heavy interior alone is... sound insulation + carpets alone is 25kg +
Dashboard 9.9kg, fully electric seats 28.6 kg each etc...

[alexk]

Fair enough, Gents - you win.

What i meant is that if they were to put standard M3 on Cups and test the lightest, stock M3 - there would be 0.5 seconds difference, no more IMHO.

That's a short track though - on longer, it'd be a different story not to mention that a heavier M3 would overheat tyres and brakes sooner.

I don't know if you have driven a CSL for more than 1 hour.
If you have, you would understand that it's day and night compared to the standard M3.
Even with standard tyres, the M3 CSL is much faster everywhere. On the straight, on the curves, on the track.
These are derived by facts and laptimes, not by assumptions.

To be honest with you, this story with the CUPs is old and dull.
It's usually the one M3 E46 owners come up with, to argue the case that a CSL is no better than their car.
Oh well, you can't convince everybody right ? But I would expect that you understand this as you are very involved in cars

[Rutkowski]

Maybe you are not reading other threads.
My CSL for example with full tank, SS backbox (race lightweight), AP racing and aircon/radiocd/xenon/rainsensor is 1420kg.

i am not trying to convince people of anything but merely asking questions and trying to learn, that's all. I spent 1000s buying CSL parts so it'd be stupid of me, saying CSLs are rubbish - wouldn't it?

[Rutkowski]

I don't know if you have driven a CSL for more than 1 hour.
If you have, you would understand that it's day and night compared to the standard M3.
Even with standard tyres, the M3 CSL is much faster everywhere. On the straight, on the curves, on the track.
These are derived by facts and laptimes, not by assumptions.

To be honest with you, this story with the CUPs is old and dull.
It's usually the one M3 E46 owners come up with, to argue the case that a CSL is no better than their car.
Oh well, you can't convince everybody right ? But I would expect that you understand this as you are very involved in cars

at what point did i ever say, anywhere that a standard M3 is just as good or better, Alex??

[shane@mbtech]

My dads bigger than your dad:thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

My dads bigger than your dad:thumbs:

my dad used to be an olympic weight lifter. ;)

[Rutkowski]

and i went into strongman competitions.

[shane@mbtech]

my dad used to be an olympic weight lifter. ;)


My dad still is:birdman:

[Rutkowski]

My dad still is:birdman:

fair enough :hahaha:

[glendog74]

I like Armadillos :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

I like Armadillos :smokin:
I think Meerkats are infinitely better :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

I like Armadillos :smokin:

Smooth on the outside, crunchy on the inside, Armadillos. ;)

[glendog74]

I think Meerkats are infinitely better :whistle:

I think you'll find that Lemurs are the ultimate cool mammal:

[M5 Powered]

Update on the M1's performance at Brands Hatch by Piston Heads. Basically it says keep it for those trips to Sainsbury's. ;):hahaha:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23696

[karbonkid]

Real? :whistle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEvpnKRLDO4[/url]

[E46CSL]

Real? :whistle:


M Car or is the ad real ? ;)

[karbonkid]

M Car or is the ad real ? ;)



The ad! I know it's quite a bit faster than the CSL

[Streetwise Hercules]

Let's say 'real'... albeit with polystyrene walls.

[shimmy]

CGI

both

[mattCSLnut]

I think the concrete cut-out walls are CGIed onto the film in post production. The driving seems for real :thumbs: but I'm not sure that's a proper M car :whistle:

Real? :whistle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEvpnKRLDO4[/url]

[DazBlackCSL]

:hahaha: Just been reading through this thread, didn't miss much while I was AWOL !

[glendog74]

:hahaha: Just been reading through this thread, didn't miss much while I was AWOL !

LoL! Fair one :bigcry:

[JezP]

This car is featured on fifth gear shortly.

[Bounce]

This car is featured on fifth gear shortly.recorded it just to see what all the shouting is about.;)

[JezP]

recorded it just to see what all the shouting is about.;)

Hmmm i was hoping tiff might throw it around on a track.

[mattCSLnut]

Hmmm i was hoping tiff might throw it around on a track.
Very carefully chosen UK press launch location for the 1-M http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23722 by BMW Press Office, avoiding any possibility for Tiff to spontaneously end up as he often does :thumbs: on a local Track for a proper test drive :whistle:

[scaramanga]

Hi all... Unfortunately haven't had a chance to post much as work as been v busy but I bought an immaculate CSL in Oct last year. I absolutely loved it and reckon it's easily one of the best + iconic cars on the road. About a month ago, BMW gave me a 1M for 4 days to test drive. I wasn't expecting much as my daily driver at the time was a 135i DCT - and I thought the 1M was going to be some marketing attempt by BMW to clear out some 1-series coupes before the new model is released (and use up some e92 m3 parts inventory in the process!!).

Couldnt have been more wrong. The 1M feels like a different car to the 135i (which admittedly was running the updated N55 engine). Power definitely up but the suspension/chassis setup and wider track, etc put the 1M in a totally different league. Comparison with the CSL was unavoidable for me because we had one in the garage, and I ended up selling the 1M to a friend and putting in an order for the 1M.

Before I get flamed for this crazy decision, let me just say:
1. Work/family life means I don't get time to track the CSL or do trips to the 'ring/ etc. I wish I had the time to do so, but just not possible at the moment. If I was able to enjoy the odd track/ring trip then I most definitely would have been keeping the CSL, but for [fast] road use the 1M is at least as fun to drive
2. SMG vs manual: purely personal view but I've never really enjoyed the SMG as much as a traditional manual box. For me, I'd prefer either to drive a dual-clutch which is lightening fast and has the flexibility of a good 'full-auto' mode, OR have an old school 6spd manual. The 1M's slick manual transmission is one of the best I've driven
3. We were offered a ridiculously good deal to trade in the 135 against the 1M which softened the blow of the 1M's price

If I could have afforded to keep both, I would have. But money + garage space meant I had to make a choice.

Anyway, just some personal views, will go buy some fire-retardant body armour.

[E46CSL]

..
Anyway, just some personal views, will go buy some fire-retardant body armour.

No need - it's very much horses for courses. Thanks for your insight :thumbs:

[scaramanga]

No need - it's very much horses for courses. Thanks for your insight :thumbs:

Cheers mate. Had an odd experience on here some time ago when looking for a CSL to buy so am prob a bit too careful with my "disclaimers"!!

[aussie]

Misses walked into Parklane Bmw on Wed as its right near her work and walked out with her order in for a 1M in white.

End of year delivery, looking forward to it but it wont be a track tool as we currently run a stripped out astra opc which is more than capable and cheap to replace parts should anything come unstuck :hahaha:

[DazBlackCSL]

Misses walked into Parklane Bmw on Wed as its right near her work and walked out with her order in for a 1M in white.

End of year delivery, looking forward to it but it wont be a track tool as we currently run a stripped out astra opc which is more than capable and cheap to replace parts should anything come unstuck :hahaha:

Welcome on board Shane ;) bout time you had a first post :hahaha:

Now get over to the welcome thread and say hi !! ;)

Nice, looking forward to having a spin in that when she arrives dude..

[aussie]

Welcome on board Shane ;) bout time you had a first post :hahaha:

Now get over to the welcome thread and say hi !! ;)

Nice, looking forward to having a spin in that when she arrives dude..

Thanks Daddy Dazza, my last account went walking when I spent my time only reading lol

So will do mate, and you will be more than welcome to take it for a spin when it arrives ; )

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

This 1 M Car is growing on me.

I would only want this Plasa Model though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6lgWiqjeDw&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[flatout]

WFT is in that car - sounds like an F1 car :thumbs::thumbs:

[shimmy]

WFT is in that car - sounds like an F1 car :thumbs::thumbs:

ex-LMP2 V8 with around 550bhp

apparently;)

[Andyk]

I was lucky enough to have a drive in the 1M two weeks ago...Its bloody brilliant...The right size, great handling, good feel through the steering and feels really quick.....Me like........

[flatout]

I was lucky enough to have a drive in the 1M two weeks ago...Its bloody brilliant...The right size, great handling, good feel through the steering and feels really quick.....Me like........

Interesting... got a test drive on the w/e so will bear these notes in mind ;)

[Rutkowski]

I was lucky enough to have a drive in the 1M two weeks ago...Its bloody brilliant...The right size, great handling, good feel through the steering and feels really quick.....Me like........

:thumbs: a friend of mine test drove one as well and was really impressed with handling.

[glendog74]

:thumbs: a friend of mine test drove one as well and was really impressed with handling.

We already know that you like them :thumbs:

[derek]

Had a test drive yesterday, very nice car, overboost is good fun. Only 112 production slots left at the factory if you want to spec the car yourself. Surprised it was heavier than the csl.

[sailorbaz]

Derek, where did you get the Test Drive? My Dad was interested in this as it seems to be the only M Car in production that can give the CSL a decent run for it's money and the fact that I have one really grinds his gear, lol

[derek]

Derek, where did you get the Test Drive? My Dad was interested in this as it seems to be the only M Car in production that can give the CSL a decent run for it's money and the fact that I have one really grinds his gear, lol
Hi Barry,
It was Grassicks in Perth, there is only 7 on the bmw stock list in the UK and 4 have been paid for. Grassicks have a white demo with full spec. It is a really nice car I enjoyed it far more than the new M3 after they made a sensible offer on my car. Got me thinking!!

Cheers
Derek

[AlexGTT]

Have driven one and like it very much. Was almost tempted to get rid of the E90 M3 for one but I really need four doors at the mo.

Ah well, never mind.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

I was wondering what BMW had done
to make it handle well.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/12/10/bmw-1m-full-specifications/

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[digi]

http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/06/17/bmw-1m-nurburgring-time-815/

The new M3 (when it comes), should be on another level. You can count on it based on the 1M's result.

8:15mins

but better on shorter circuits.

Looks great!

[shimmy]

Too hard for the Ring, slower than CSL both Ring and Hockenhiem.

Sounds like a bargain to me.....off you go boys and buy it, I bet they release a special version in next 12 months and you end up kicking yourselves!

[AlexGTT]

Too hard for the Ring, slower than CSL both Ring and Hockenhiem.

Sounds like a bargain to me.....off you go boys and buy it, I bet they release a special version in next 12 months and you end up kicking yourselves!

Indeed Shim but like the E90, it would be strickly road use only for me so not concerned about ultimate times. It's just so nice on a nice bit of road. Anyway, the Mrs has just told me it's not practical enough, so that's that.:bigcry: (Yes Rob, I know :gayfight: ).

CSL is for track.;)

[Streetwise Hercules]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/15bQjiwzgUA

[mattCSLnut]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/15bQjiwzgUA
:hahaha: :smt082 :hahaha: That's one way of defining M for Marketing :thumbs:

[sailorbaz]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/15bQjiwzgUA

Excellent past time :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

great vids! thanks for the link. :thumbs:

[Bounce]

Good vid.:thumbs:

[glendog74]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6XE_MYy2xg&feature=player_embedded

I like the white one :thumbs:

[Bounce]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6XE_MYy2xg&feature=player_embedded

I like the white one :thumbs:It goes well and sounds good,but i just dont like the shape of it.

[AlexGTT]

It's nice. Drives brilliantly on the road. I want.:whistle:

[Bounce]

It's nice. Drives brilliantly on the road. I want.:whistle:But the Mrs doesn't.:smt062:hahaha:

[AlexGTT]

But the Mrs doesn't.:smt062:hahaha:

I'm working on that.;)




































.........not getting very far.:bigcry:

We'll see. Ya never know.:whistle:

[Bounce]

I'm working on that.;)




































.........not getting very far.:bigcry:

We'll see. Ya never know.:whistle::hahaha::hahaha::thumbs:

[L1ARR]

Saw one of these in London today parked up. It was a Sytner dealers car with a numbered plaque. Got some photos with my crappy iPhone. It looked lovely in the flesh.

[Forelli]

Just throwing this in here.... I understand the greatness of the N54 engine and the massive tuning potential. But a lightweight version with the S54 would be nice! :supz:
http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/spotted_bmw_1m_with_30_csl_stripes/spotted_bmw_1m_with_30_csl_stripes_001.jpg

[glendog74]

I like it :smokin:

[Roland]

just found this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spGOm5gmKNQ

[Rutkowski]

Now that's how it is done, love it!! :thumbs:

[aussie]

Misses got a VIP invite to a M Power driving experience at Goodwood circuit and entry to festival of speed after ordering a white 1M, bit of an extra buz was Tiff Needell on hand giving us some sideways action in a M3.........Great hospitality and a real good intro to the M world, role on Dec for our delivery lol

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h452/arnieoompa/GoodwoodFestivalOfSpeed2011022.jpg
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[Bounce]

Nice one matey,looks like you had a great day:thumbs:

[outnumbered]

There's someone advertising a 2,000 mile 1M on Auto Trader for 46 grand at the moment if anyone wants one !

[shane@mbtech]

really grown on me now these little fuckers, big big flared arches, makes the e92 m3 look like a pussy.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Is a nice looking car the black one does not show off the impressive body work styling as well :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

really grown on me now these little fuckers, big big flared arches, makes the e92 m3 look like a pussy.

Lovely aren't they Shane. I was hooked as soon as I tried one.:bigcry: Slightly lowered, on decent suspension, wheels ever so slightly spaced out, tasty exhaust and a map to 400bhp+......................:drool:

[Straightsix]

Lovely set of photographs the BMW M cars look really great.

The looks of the E92 M3 and 1M Coupe are starting to grow on me a bit.

I am not sure i can get on with the E92 ergonomics - not forcussed around the driver/buttons too small/and the interior is pretty plain.

As someone said i would have preferred if they built the 1M Coupe with the S54B32.

The 1M Coupe apparently as lots of tuning potential. I am not sure about the technicalities how the extra power/torque is achieved. However, would BMW mind you doing this if you bought one within the warranty period?

I can see in years to come there will be none of these 1M Coupes or hardly any left standard.

[scaramanga]

I can see in years to come there will be none of these 1M Coupes or hardly any left standard.

Yup, I think that's right. Also think it could be one of the last car's of it's type to be offered with a manual transmission. I suspect the next generation of the 1M will only come with a double-clutch transmission.

IMHO the 1M is the best drivers car BMW have produced since the CSL.

[shimmy]

I can see in years to come there will be none of these 1M Coupes or hardly any left standard.

imagine what people are going to do to the new turboed M5 :banghead:

[glendog74]

imagine what people are going to do to the new turboed M5 :banghead:

Imagine what they are going to do to the Fiat Panda 100hp :banghead:

[toplad]

There's someone advertising a 2,000 mile 1M on Auto Trader for 46 grand at the moment if anyone wants one !


There's a few about already, you'll pick up a lot cheaper in 6/12 months

One here for 40K

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3283988.htm

I'm still not wild about the looks and it's just about a 4 seater if your rear passengers are sooty and sweep