S54 CSL Engine Transplant

[nigelonich]

Looking for some technical help guys if you have it.

Planing a Winter (or several months after that) project and 'in principle' its a E46 CSL engine into an E30 M3. After surfing a bit I think a manual e46 box would be the best idea as the flappy paddles look hard to integrate so that leaves the engine. I want to keep it as 'BMW' as possible.

What parts would be esential to remove from the donor as im not sure what items too make sure and get from a CSL and what items i can pick up from a stock E46m3. The obvious are engine with anciliaries, loom, ecu, intake and exhaust manifolds but does the airbox need a specific ecu and is the CSL loom a must to rob off a donor?

Even if someone found a 'good' link to help me it would be appriciated. There are plenty people talking about s54 trasplants but not so many about the transplant of the CSL variant.

I had an E30 M3 a few years back and i liked everything about the car apart from feeling it was a bit slow all the time so I fancied seeing if we could do something about that.

Nigel

[shimmy]

Others will know beter than me for sure but I'm guessing best to take the CSL S54 lump, ignition and engine ECU and then drop the SMG to a manual box if you really want to. I think this would make life the easiest.

I guess as many standard ancillaries as will fit at least then you know the cooling etc will suit the car if the air flow is there, but I'm guessing you'll be up against space problems.

From personal experience if you get hold of motor that has done north f 40k miles I would factor in a new HG before you start.

Sounds like a great plan and will sound awesome.

[Yanto]

Sounds like a thread for the Gorilla :smokin:

[glendog74]

Welcome Nige :thumbs:

Member 'The Gorilla' has some knowledge of what you seek. I'm sure he'll add some sound advice soon or try sending him a PM. ;)

[glendog74]

Sounds like a thread for the Gorilla :smokin:

Tw*t! Beat me to it :hahaha:

[Yanto]

Tw*t! Beat me to it :hahaha:

Keep up at the back, short stuff :hahaha::hahaha:

[glendog74]

Keep up at the back, short stuff :hahaha::hahaha:

What's Steve got to do with this? :whistle:

[Rutkowski]

Looking for some technical help guys if you have it.

Planing a Winter (or several months after that) project and 'in principle' its a E46 CSL engine into an E30 M3. After surfing a bit I think a manual e46 box would be the best idea as the flappy paddles look hard to integrate so that leaves the engine. I want to keep it as 'BMW' as possible.

What parts would be esential to remove from the donor as im not sure what items too make sure and get from a CSL and what items i can pick up from a stock E46m3. The obvious are engine with anciliaries, loom, ecu, intake and exhaust manifolds but does the airbox need a specific ecu and is the CSL loom a must to rob off a donor?

Even if someone found a 'good' link to help me it would be appriciated. There are plenty people talking about s54 trasplants but not so many about the transplant of the CSL variant.

I had an E30 M3 a few years back and i liked everything about the car apart from feeling it was a bit slow all the time so I fancied seeing if we could do something about that.

Nigel

Engine + anncilaries, Carbon fibre CSL airbox, wiring loom, ignition + key, ECU.

The latter is essential if you want the added security of keeping the engine immobiliser...

IMHO - get a good S54, install Schricks 288 / 280 + good remap, 2005 + M3 manifolds or Supersprint ones if budget allows and you're ready to go.

I tried the CSL route and it is very expensive with little benefit over a stock M3. Where CSL shines is not the power advantage but handling. Now that's where that magic is at. A balanced weight reduction combined with quality suspension and brakes.

If you're interested, pm me as i am parting out my M3.

By the way - the SMG isn't that hard to integrate... about as hard as doing an engine transplant.

[plug]

A 3.2 straight 6 in an E30, will it fit? They sure are a long engine.
Off topic a bit but how are them engines in terms of reliability, the S54's?

[shimmy]

A 3.2 straight 6 in an E30, will it fit? They sure are a long engine.
Off topic a bit but how are them engines in terms of reliability, the S54's?

Faultless. :smokin:

[E30M3SE]

Looking for some technical help guys if you have it.

Planing a Winter (or several months after that) project and 'in principle' its a E46 CSL engine into an E30 M3. After surfing a bit I think a manual e46 box would be the best idea as the flappy paddles look hard to integrate so that leaves the engine. I want to keep it as 'BMW' as possible.

What parts would be esential to remove from the donor as im not sure what items too make sure and get from a CSL and what items i can pick up from a stock E46m3. The obvious are engine with anciliaries, loom, ecu, intake and exhaust manifolds but does the airbox need a specific ecu and is the CSL loom a must to rob off a donor?

Even if someone found a 'good' link to help me it would be appriciated. There are plenty people talking about s54 trasplants but not so many about the transplant of the CSL variant.

I had an E30 M3 a few years back and i liked everything about the car apart from feeling it was a bit slow all the time so I fancied seeing if we could do something about that.

Nigel

IMO, you are better off 'playing with' the S14 already in a E30M3 rather than stuffing a S54 in the nose, it will never handle and behave like an E30 should with the extra weight mounted further forward, great for a straight line monster.

[_Nathan_]

If you go S53 then avoid the OEM ECU, you'll need loads of sensors, throttle pedal, dash, etc etc.

Stick it on MoTeC and it'll be far simpler, and make more power.

[pinkpanther008]

The s54 will fit as its been done (plenty links on net: http://bmwe30cars.blogspot.com/2009/12/bmw-e30-s54.html) but squeezing the CSL airbox alongside in that wee 80's engine bay will be a challenge too far me thunks?

If you do build it please post up progress as i expect everybody on here would be enthused by a build like this.

[nigelonich]

This makes me think it can be done>

http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39149&page=4

Should have mentioned that I also own a CSL at the moment too....

Thanks for the feedback so far the biggest issue is will it be easier to get a CSL or the E30! as donors.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote-

''IMO, you are better off 'playing with' the S14 already in a E30M3 rather than stuffing a S54 in the nose, it will never handle and behave like an E30 should with the extra weight mounted further forward, great for a straight line monster.

Pure Myth nothing else, just like the replacing of S14 Timing chains
at 90k etc.

My E30 M3 S54 is 52/48 front to rear weight ratio.

Std E30 M3 is 52/ 48 front to rear weight ratio.

If your car is a genuine E30 M3 good condition and has
a solid S14 engine, my advice is leave it alone, you will only
devaule it.

If value is not a concern and you want a fairly reliable 350 ish BHP
then an S54 Conversion with Brakes, supension, exhaust, drivetrain
ECU/harness etc, done correctly will be 14k + if
you do most of it your self, or allow 18k + if you do not
like dirty hands.

You will salavage around 2/3k for a std S14 engine and Trans.

It been done many times now, but how many of them you would
trust at speed, well you only have to look at the specification
of some of the builds for the answer to that.

A E30 M3 with a S14 engine producing 280 ish BHP, so
still quite reliable, with well sorted mechanical grip, proper
braking and correct diff and drive train, running on an aftermarket ECU
sat on Type R rubber in the correct hands in the
rear world will get very annoying
when constantly viewed in the rear view mirror by a lot of far more
expensive machinery.

Might not be the very quickest car but will without doubt, be one
of the most rewarding and enjoyable.

With an S54 engine, set up correctly then a lot of that more
expensive machinery in the real world
will be in your rear view mirror.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

I love the Primate's posts :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

I may have a CSL ECU and loom, clocks etc available soon...

[rstoughy]

Welcome onboard Nige :thumbs:

[nigelonich]

Welcome onboard Nige :thumbs:

thanks paul. I had just planned to deliver all tthe parts to your house and then come back for the car when you had finished it.

[mattCSLnut]

I love the Primate's posts :thumbs:
+1 :thumbs: The Primate says it like it is :smokin:

[rstoughy]

thanks paul. I had just planned to deliver all tthe parts to your house and then come back for the car when you had finished it.


Haha you know how i like a good project :hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Couple of pics of my old shed.

E30 M3 S54 CSL engine.

You will need to alter the bulkhead
and G/box tunnel to get the
6 pot sat back similar to this.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[DuncanR]

Keep up at the back, short stuff :hahaha::hahaha: Now THAT does sound like a ...queer instruction !!! :gayfight:

[DuncanR]

Faultless. :smokin: + 1 here ! :whistle:

[northernjim]

+ 1 here ! :whistle:

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

When the CSL lump is sorted then you can
start to prepare the rest of the
E30 M3 to make it work.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

E30 M3 S54 CSL engine.

You will need to alter the bulkhead
and G/box tunnel to get the
6 pot sat back similar to this.

Regards,

The Gorilla.
Neat fitment there Primate :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

When the CSL lump is sorted then you can
start to prepare the rest of the
E30 M3 to make it work.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Racing Hybrid springs to mind :drool: :smt055 BTW liking your concrete Axle stands ;) :hahaha:

[DuncanR]

That a diff oil cooler there Mr G ?

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

MattCSLNutt- yes its a bit of mix and match
to say the least.

DuncanR- Yes, runs a Diff cooler and g/box cooler.

DTM boys back in 92/93 had the G/box and Diff
all cooled by a water heat exchanger.

I run 2 small Mocal Oil/water Heat exchangers for the Dry
Sump set up, as it helps keep the oil at around 90 deg no
matter what sillyness the Primate gets up to.

Experimenting with a Larger Heat exchanger on
the Merc 190 2.5 16v.

Merc gets some 'M' Parts as well via 4 50mm S54
ITB's and E46 M3 Front hubs and Hamann Coilovers
with a Z3 2.7 Lock to lock rack, ala CSL ratio.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[_Nathan_]

I love that e30.

[shane@mbtech]

Being a Merc Man Mr G, can you show more pics of the 190,
and more info, well all info PLEEEEEEEASSSSSSe:thumbs:

[glendog74]

Being a Merc Man Mr G, can you show more pics of the 190,
and more info, well all info PLEEEEEEEASSSSSSe:thumbs:

+1 :thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Lawsy and Glendog- its a Merc 190 with a 2.3 16v short stroke
80.mm Crank on a 2.3 block with a 96mm over bore
forged Mahle pistion, running 4mm longer rods at 11.5.1 CR.

It has BMW M62 B/end shells to reduce friction
and BMW E36 M3 Oil squirters to aid piston cooling.

A BMW E34 2.5 Diesel sump pan was modified as the
oil pan had to be turned around 180 degrees as the
rack and pinion sits where the 190 16v sump would.

Its a 2.5 16v head, converted to single chain,
polished and ported with AMG Power pack
cams, 4 x 50mm BMW ITB's with extended
intake runners via a high volume carbon airbox.

It has uprated valve springs and whole bottom end
has been lightened and fully balanced.

Its running a Merc DTM 92 4-1 Header, and will be fitted
with a dual 55mm exhaust via one rear re=packable
box.

Its Coil on plug and will be either a Motec M4
ECU or a.n another yet to be determined.

The 5 speed Getrag 16v Gearbox has been changed out
for a 211 C270 CDi 6 speed box with a lightened 16v
flywheel and uprrated 16V Clutch.

Diff is a Merc DTM 92 LSD at 3.46 ratio with 75% lock up
and fitted with an oil cooler and pump.

The 190 16v has been converted from steering box
to full rack and pinion, with a BMW Z3 1.9
2.7 ratio rack with E46 front hubs mounted
with Hamann adjustable coilovers
front and AVO 2 way adjustable coil over rears.

Front ARB is a Merc 190 2.6 which has been relocated
to suit coilovers, and its a BMW E30 M3 front ARB
at the rear. ARB's are fitted into Shore 85 arb
bushes and are fully adjustable with adjustable
drop links.

The rear Multi link subframe has been fully gusseted
and strengthened with Delrin rear subframe bushes,
and the diff has been raised 40mm to assist with
the half shaft ramp angles when lowered.

All the supension pick ups and turrets have been
gusseted and strengthened and triangulation has
been welded in to stiffen all the key points.

ABS has been removed, and its running 4 Pot BMW 750
Brembos on BMW E46 M3 330 X 28 discs with Merc
SL 500 310 X 22 mm rears with 4 pot Hi Spec alloy calipers.

Rear Brake bias valve in line is fitted inside.

There are some other bits and pieces but I think
that gives the low down to date.

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03174vj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03179sj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03178jj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03175foj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03180hj

and some more-

http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03141hj
http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03164lj
http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03170dj
http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03168xj

and some more-

http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03181fj
http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03182bj
http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03183kj
http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03184tj

and some more-

http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03187u.jpg/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03188a.jpg/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03189u.jpg/

and some more-

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03190d.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03191m.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03192ir.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03193pm.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03194t.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03195v.jpg/

and some more -

http://img148.imageshack.us/i/dsc03203px.jpg/
http://img198.imageshack.us/i/dsc03204e.jpg/
http://img850.imageshack.us/i/dsc03205t.jpg/
http://img823.imageshack.us/i/dsc03206e.jpg/
http://img151.imageshack.us/i/dsc03207q.jpg/
http://img59.imageshack.us/i/dsc03208t.jpg/
http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dsc03209z.jpg/

and the last for now !!!

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Lawsy-Glendog, I lied !!!


http://yfrog.com/nddsc03186kj
http://yfrog.com/nddsc03185nj
http://yfrog.com/j2p1010059fj
http://yfrog.com/j2p1010058pej

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shane@mbtech]

Great project.:beer::supz:

I run a Merc specialist, they dont make them like they used to.;)

The 6 spd box interests me, I take it you meant 203 c270, or 211 e270- probably same box either way.

What power do you think this can handle.

Me and business partner have talked about building a 112 V6 kompressor engine with a few tweeks mated to a manual box. We were thinking 400 bhp ish.

Dont know what chassis to put it in, I like the 202 chassis shape. Although substantial work would be required to run coilovers, and not sure how it would handle the power.

I loved my 202 c43 AMG, very old school compared to the new stuff, not as old school as your 190 mind.

I have many thoughts, but unfortunately finding time to try them out is hard. Work is hectic at present, so personal projects are on hold so to speak- have been saying this for 4 yrs:hahaha:- no complaints about being busy, but dont get much chance to play.

[The Gorilla]

Hi Lawsy,

Yes, the 6 speed box is from a E class 270 CDi.

Its the only 6 speed Manual Box Merc make that is rated
for 400nm Torque.

Its almost identical ratios to a BMW 6 Speed/ CSL box
save that first is 4.45. So its almost a C/R box.

Took a lot time to figure out that the M102 bolt
pattern was still being used via the Diesels.

Bolts straight on a Merc 16V Block, but then
the fun begins !!!

In its present build spec, if I get 250 ish BHP from the engine
I will be well pleased, as the car will only be just
over 1100kg when done.

I have access to a DTM Block with 12.5cr Pistons
which if fitted with the 49mm slides, 8 Injectors and Carbon Airbox
set up I have here, then it would be 300 BHP plus, but
I think it would be to 'peaky' an engine for use
on the road, but its an option.

The Merc V6 is one of their best ever engines in my
opinion, and will deliver strong power numbers.

The recent trend on the C43 AMG is to fit the E55
engine which is a straight plug and play,
even down to the ECU etc.
A few have been done in the States now and with a
LSD and a 3.27 rear diff they become uber quick,
for not big money.

I was going to fit a C36 AMG engine, which has been
done several times in a 190 16v, but just preferred the
idea of free revving, light weight, point and squirt
old school roller skate.

Be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shane@mbtech]

Hi Lawsy,

Yes, the 6 speed box is from a E class 270 CDi.

Its the only 6 speed Manual Box Merc make that is rated
for 400nm Torque.

Its almost identical ratios to a BMW 6 Speed/ CSL box
save that first is 4.45. So its almost a C/R box.

Took a lot time to figure out that the M102 bolt
pattern was still being used via the Diesels.

Bolts straight on a Merc 16V Block, but then
the fun begins !!!

In its present build spec, if I get 250 ish BHP from the engine
I will be well pleased, as the car will only be just
over 1100kg when done.

I have access to a DTM Block with 12.5cr Pistons
which if fitted with the 49mm slides, 8 Injectors and Carbon Airbox
set up I have here, then it would be 300 BHP plus, but
I think it would be to 'peaky' an engine for use
on the road, but its an option.

The Merc V6 is one of their best ever engines in my
opinion, and will deliver strong power numbers.

The recent trend on the C43 AMG is to fit the E55
engine which is a straight plug and play,
even down to the ECU etc.
A few have been done in the States now and with a
LSD and a 3.27 rear diff they become uber quick,
for not big money.

I was going to fit a C36 AMG engine, which has been
done several times in a 190 16v, but just preferred the
idea of free revving, light weight, point and squirt
old school roller skate.

Be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Regards,

The Gorilla.


It certainly will be interesting to see your results.

Where are you based, I would love a butchers at it some time, if possible that is?

They officially released a couple c55 in 202 guise, very rare thing, but there are a few about. I take it you mean the old 113 v8 non supercharged engine in the c43?

The superharged v8 is a monster engine and if shoehorned into something would be seriously fast, think e30 M5 engine fast.

The 112 v6 supercharged is a very underated engine, my old c32 amg was a flier and on a straight would show a CSL a clean pair of heels, unfortunately the 203 chassis is not the best, although it could be made better.
If it handled well from the factory it would have been an M3 killer.
I would be in a 204 C63 AMG right now if only they handled better:banghead:, merc make great engines, but put them in cars for old men to drive;)

That is another project idea, strip out a c32 amg, cage, suspension, brakes, manual box, decent tyres, I know if it was made to handle well it would be a devastatingly quick car

[The Gorilla]

Hi Lawsy,

When the old 190 is complete,
next few months hopefully,
then if your down this way
South Coast, near Bournemouth, then
your more than welcome, or
if I am going M40 I will give you
a shout and bring the old 190
in for a cuppa !!!

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Lawsy- you may have already seen
these but there are some quite
stunning cars here, shame is
Merc has all the keys.

From what you were saying 2nd link
is your 'Car'.

http://www.mb-galerie.de/galerie.php?classnr=21&modelnr=161

http://www.mb-galerie.de/galerie.php?classnr=21&modelnr=1209

http://www.mb-galerie.de/galerie.php?classnr=21&modelnr=1279

A colleague in Germany, Rynar Jung, they own large Merc Dealership
had a client with one on these, back in the days when Merc
would sell Works Cars.

I drove the sister car to this, and the only way to explain
it was that it was a F1 car with a roof.

Absolutley Brain Numbing.

http://www.gurneyflap.com/mercedesdtm.html

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[E30M3SE]

Hi,

Couple of pics of my old shed.

E30 M3 S54 CSL engine.

You will need to alter the bulkhead
and G/box tunnel to get the
6 pot sat back similar to this.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

These pictures explain why my opinion on this type of conversion is way different to yours, as your car is way more 'engineered' than the example I experienced afew years ago.

Good work.:thumbs:

[DuncanR]

Hi,

Lawsy and Glendog- its a Merc 190 with a 2.3 16v short stroke
80.mm Crank on a 2.3 block with a 96mm over bore
forged Mahle pistion, running 4mm longer rods at 11.5.1 CR.

It has BMW M62 B/end shells to reduce friction
and BMW E36 M3 Oil squirters to aid piston cooling.

A BMW E34 2.5 Diesel sump pan was modified as the
oil pan had to be turned around 180 degrees as the
rack and pinion sits where the 190 16v sump would.

Its a 2.5 16v head, converted to single chain,
polished and ported with AMG Power pack
cams, 4 x 50mm BMW ITB's with extended
intake runners via a high volume carbon airbox.

It has uprated valve springs and whole bottom end
has been lightened and fully balanced.

Its running a Merc DTM 92 4-1 Header, and will be fitted
with a dual 55mm exhaust via one rear re=packable
box.

Its Coil on plug and will be either a Motec M4
ECU or a.n another yet to be determined.

The 5 speed Getrag 16v Gearbox has been changed out
for a 211 C270 CDi 6 speed box with a lightened 16v
flywheel and uprrated 16V Clutch.

Diff is a Merc DTM 92 LSD at 3.46 ratio with 75% lock up
and fitted with an oil cooler and pump.

The 190 16v has been converted from steering box
to full rack and pinion, with a BMW Z3 1.9
2.7 ratio rack with E46 front hubs mounted
with Hamann adjustable coilovers
front and AVO 2 way adjustable coil over rears.

Front ARB is a Merc 190 2.6 which has been relocated
to suit coilovers, and its a BMW E30 M3 front ARB
at the rear. ARB's are fitted into Shore 85 arb
bushes and are fully adjustable with adjustable
drop links.

The rear Multi link subframe has been fully gusseted
and strengthened with Delrin rear subframe bushes,
and the diff has been raised 40mm to assist with
the half shaft ramp angles when lowered.

All the supension pick ups and turrets have been
gusseted and strengthened and triangulation has
been welded in to stiffen all the key points.

ABS has been removed, and its running 4 Pot BMW 750
Brembos on BMW E46 M3 330 X 28 discs with Merc
SL 500 310 X 22 mm rears with 4 pot Hi Spec alloy calipers.

Rear Brake bias valve in line is fitted inside.

There are some other bits and pieces but I think
that gives the low down to date.

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03174vj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03179sj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03178jj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03175foj
http://yfrog.com/63dsc03180hj

and some more-

http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03141hj
http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03164lj
http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03170dj
http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03168xj

and some more-

http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03181fj
http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03182bj
http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03183kj
http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03184tj

and some more-

http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03187u.jpg/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03188a.jpg/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03189u.jpg/

and some more-

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03190d.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03191m.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03192ir.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03193pm.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03194t.jpg/
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03195v.jpg/

and some more -

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and the last for now !!!

Regards,

The Gorilla. So .. pretty much stock then :smt102


Great Automotive Engineering and engine new itty D ! .. loving your work mate:thumbs:

[LeinsCSL]

Love this thread, and love the 190 nearly as much as the E30 :thumbs:

But Jesus lads, I haven't a clue what you're talking about in half of it :bigcry: ;)

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Talking of CSL engines here is the
BMW 6 Pot that actually will
make over 400 BHP NA.

Edit- my mistake, this is P54 B20 which is
about 320 BHP from MS.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16885292@N02/4016507715/in/photostream/

And if that seems a bit tame then you could
fit one of these.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16885292@N02/4017272658/in/photostream/

Personally I would go for this in either a CSL or E30 M3. Sublime.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16885292@N02/4017272360/in/photostream/

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[pinkpanther008]

I love these threads - superb links to make the petrol loaded blood flow:-)

Ouuu ouu ou ou ou o u o u ouu - the Gorilla rocks!:thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Bit off topic with regard the thread, but if
you look through all the pics, there
is a CSL, in the correct colour, black,
near the end, and an E30 M3 to boot, and the fact
that if you have never been to the
BMW Tour, here it all is from your
armchair.

There is something like 500 pics but its
quite enjoyable.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400639

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

Hi,

Bit off topic with regard the thread, but if
you look through all the pics, there
is a CSL, in the correct colour, black,
near the end, and an E30 M3 to boot, and the fact
that if you have never been to the
BMW Tour, here it all is from your
armchair.

There is something like 500 pics but its
quite enjoyable.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400639

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Thanks Primate - that's a cool find!

You really are our resident BMW fiend! :smokin:

[Roland]

thats a lot a pics, thanks for sharing.
whoever's next in munich, dont miss this place
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu58/m3csl1_2009/bmw-classic2.jpg

[glendog74]

thats a lot a pics, thanks for sharing.
whoever's next in munich, dont miss this place
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu58/m3csl1_2009/bmw-classic2.jpg

Do tell...! :thumbs:

[pinkpanther008]

Visited the BMW museum last year on return from a ski trip, absolutley amazing cathedrale of the BMW religion...a must for any fan/owner. The motorsport 'room' including a E46 M3GTR is a true shrine!:thumbs:

The motorpsort storage facilty is some what harder to gain access to?!

[RolyGTIR]

Great pics - what a place! :smt023
SB CSL Rocks :supz: