1st Weekend in the CSL....

[funtime]

Well chaps, as most of you know I picked up my CSL on Friday. After a 5 hour train journey and 4 changes I arrived at Simpson Motorsport, my tyres had turned up late but just in time for Ant and Julian to get them fitted and pop them on the car.

Drove back setting off around 4pm so right through rush hour so I poodled along, and by the time I got home I had done 150 miles and was staggered to see this on the trip:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/retro_lowrider/b524b9fe.jpg

At first I thought something must be wrong as I'd never done that in my M3, but it had also only just used over quarter of a tank?!

Anyway, that's not what this car's about, but always nice to know it's good on a run! So I spent the saturday cleaning the beast and I have to say the bodywork is stunning. Apart from a tiny mark on the front bumper, there's literally not a scratch or chip or dent on the whole car :thumbs:

Anyway, done a few miles over the weekend down some of my favorite local roads and the drive grip and sheer noise of this beast is just increadable :thumbs: Obviously most of you already know this!

Fav response of the weekend though has to be from my girlfriend though after we went down a nice b-road on the way to the pub with the sport button on - "I don't know wether to laugh or cry, it's just terrifying" :hahaha:

BUT... only downer on the whole weekend which is a bit gutting is that the clutch is just starting to slip when it's warm :banghead::bigcry: I havent tried to reset it yet by pulling both paddles back (assuming you can do this in the CSL) and it's not actually slipping to the point where the rev's climb and the car doesn't gain speed, but it boggs down when shifting to the point where the rev's just hold for a second or so... and this is only with using mode 4 as that's what mode I used to drive my M3 all the time in.

So it's an absolute pain in the nuts now because I've got to get the car back to Simpson's and get a new clutch fitted before the ring and I've got no holiday left really as I'm starting a new job soon. :banghead:

I really really hope this is not going to be a problem car, as I love it to bit's and just want to enjoy driving it now...

Anyway, still very very very happy with it :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Excellent stuff and a good looking high miler :thumbs: That 35 MPG is quite impressive but it won't last for long mate ;) :hahaha: I hope you get your clutch sorted one way or another. May be worth having a Clutch re teach first (not the same as re set) done via diagnostics before ripping it all out. Mine had it done @ Murketts and it cleared the slight slur it had, for good :thumbs:
BTW what is that blue thing hiding in the garage :smt017 something for the weekend ? :gayfight: ;) :hahaha:

[Trawler]

35mpg you certain there is csl engine under the bonnet. The last time I was Badly stuck in traffic I had clutch slip afterwards. Give it some stick & hopefully it will clear itself.

[funtime]

Excellent stuff and a good looking high miler :thumbs: That 35 MPG is quite impressive but it won't last for long mate ;) :hahaha: I hope you get your clutch sorted one way or another. May be worth having a Clutch re teach first (not the same as re set) done via diagnostics before ripping it all out. Mine had it done @ Murketts and it cleared the slight slur it had, for good :thumbs:
BTW what is that blue thing hiding in the garage :smt017 something for the weekend ? :gayfight: ;) :hahaha:

Don't worry it's already back in the 20's - almost where it belongs - in the teens ;):thumbs: Was just quite impressed that's all :smokin:

And as for the mince mobile in the garage - that's my Dad's Z3M :gayfight: I popped round his to wash the CSL as I've still got no drive at mine so all the cleaning stuff is there ;)

35mpg you certain there is csl engine under the bonnet. The last time I was Badly stuck in traffic I had clutch slip afterwards. Give it some stick & hopefully it will clear itself.

Yes defo a CSL engine there - it's gone through double the fuel in half the miles of that trip by driving it at the weekend on the b roads ;)

This wasn't after traffic - it was only when warm from giving it a good stretch :bigcry:

[glendog74]

Nice one James - car looks good :thumbs:

The CSL can return regular >30mpg when on steady runs - when you can resist putting your right foot down!

Maybe it's just the photos but she seems to sit a little low at the front? I dunno.

Now all you need to do is sort out some BMW centre caps and get some wheel spacers on it! ;)

[mattCSLnut]

Nice one James - car looks good :thumbs:

Maybe it's just the photos but she seems to sit a little low at the front? I dunno.

Now all you need to do is sort out some BMW centre caps and get some wheel spacers on it! ;)

Well spotted there Rob... I was wondering about that too. IMHO it looks too low all round and the wheels look well and truly tucked In, like they're shivering :gayfight: Spacers needed for sure :thumbs:

[3wheels3]

35mpg ha! High 38's are very good but really hard to keep over 39mpg without some luck.

Clutch, personally I wouldn't worry too much. May be it's trying to send you a message ie give me some track action! On at least two occasions I've thought clutch was starting to slip but sorted itself out over 150 - 200 miles without any interference.

[funtime]

Nice one James - car looks good :thumbs:

The CSL can return regular >30mpg when on steady runs - when you can resist putting your right foot down!

Maybe it's just the photos but she seems to sit a little low at the front? I dunno.

Now all you need to do is sort out some BMW centre caps and get some wheel spacers on it! ;)

Might just be the photo's ?

And don't worry - centre caps are on order as that's all Simpson's had.
What do most people run in the way of spacers? 12mm? all round?

Well spotted there Rob... I was wondering about that too. IMHO it looks too low all round and the wheels look well and truly tucked In, like they're shivering :gayfight: Spacers needed for sure :thumbs:

Haha they are a little bit tucked yes - spacer solutions needed ;) what ones as above?

35mpg ha! High 38's are very good but really hard to keep over 39mpg without some luck.

Clutch, personally I wouldn't worry too much. May be it's trying to send you a message ie give me some track action! On at least two occasions I've thought clutch was starting to slip but sorted itself out over 150 - 200 miles without any interference.

Jesus - 39mpg! to be honest I wasn't really trying to go all out economy driving as I couldn't resist on the few twisty bits I went on but I'm not sure i'll ever bother trying to better 35 :hahaha:

As for the clutch - Im not sure this will sort itself out and to be honest I haven't got the time testing it as I'm off to the ring next month and can't have it failing over there as it would ruin the whole trip and cost me alot more to sort if it slips too much and willies the flywheel :banghead:

[AlexGTT]

James, has it had any clutch changes on warranty? Worth finding out.

First off, take it out, do the paddle re-set and then give it a good old ragging in S5 or S6, flat shifting and it'll probably sort itself out. All that motorway mileage has made the self teach lazy. Mine will do it if I drive it like Miss Daisy. A proper drive sorts it out.

[funtime]

James, has it had any clutch changes on warranty? Worth finding out.

First off, take it out, do the paddle re-set and then give it a good old ragging in S5 or S6, flat shifting and it'll probably sort itself out. All that motorway mileage has made the self teach lazy. Mine will do it if I drive it like Miss Daisy. A proper drive sorts it out.

Thanks for that Alex, I'm sure it's had at least one clutch at around 60-70k as there is a notice on an Inspection 2 invoice saying that the SMG was reset but if adaptations get worse then fit new clutch for £1055 inc vat. So I can only assume it hasn't managed another 40k miles on that same clutch and he had it replaced shortly after...

I'll have a go at the SMG reset and try some S5/6 driving, and I always flat shift anyway when giving it a proper drive - I'm assuming thats what everyone does?

[DuncanR]

What do most people run in the way of spacers? 12mm? all round?



I have Intrax also and run 10mm all round on OEM wheels, 12mm would probably still be ok .....though its added weight :hahaha:

[funtime]

I have Intrax also and run 10mm all round on OEM wheels, 12mm would probably still be ok .....though its added weight :hahaha:

Good stuff I shall get them ordered once I've sorted my bloody clutch issues out :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

I think 10mm spacers are more than enough.;)

[DazBlackCSL]

I think 10mm spacers are more than enough.;)

Thats why ive gone 15mm all round !! :hahaha:

[funtime]

I think 10mm spacers are more than enough.;)

Cheers Alex i'll check when I order them but I'm sure I've read somewhere that the 10mm Eibach spacers have issues so I'll check before I order.
:smokin:

[funtime]

Thats why ive gone 15mm all round !! :hahaha:

Don't you get any rubbing at all with that? I would have thought that 15mm would poke out too much - unless your running silly amounts of camber which I suspect you are :hahaha::thumbs:

[DazBlackCSL]

Don't you get any rubbing at all with that? I would have thought that 15mm would poke out too much - unless your running silly amounts of camber which I suspect you are :hahaha::thumbs:

I do have a fair bit of camber on the clubsports, no rubbing please :whistle:

Think its something like 2.7, from memory .. will look when I get home..

Started with 10mm on the fronts, and none rear, then 10 all round, then I brought the rays and needed none on the front and 12 on the rear, then sold the rays and went with the new KW anodised black 15mm all round, mainly for looks on the rear though :hahaha:.. does sit well now ;)

[DuncanR]

Don't you get any rubbing at all with that? I would have thought that 15mm would poke out too much - unless your running silly amounts of camber which I suspect you are :hahaha::thumbs:He is always rubbing !:gayfight:

[DazBlackCSL]

With the 15mm all round

[DazBlackCSL]

He is always rubbing !:gayfight:

I like rubbing !!

[funtime]

I do have a fair bit of camber on the clubsports, no rubbing please :whistle:

Think its something like 2.7, from memory .. will look when I get home..

Started with 10mm on the fronts, and none rear, then 10 all round, then I brought the rays and needed none on the front and 12 on the rear, then sold the rays and went with the new KW anodised black 15mm all round, mainly for looks on the rear though :hahaha:.. does sit well now ;)

Ah right I see, multiple spacer solutions :thumbs:

I'll probably go with 10-12mm just to avoid rubbing :gayfight:

Cheers for the photo - looks good! :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

Thats why ive gone 15mm all round !! :hahaha:

:hahaha: Typical Dazza.

Looks lovely mate.:smokin:

[glendog74]

Rubbing aside (which i also like lots...), the only benefit of spacers is when you fit some to the front axle to widen the track when using OEM wheels to negate the minor understeer tendency on slower/tighter corners.

Only gayboys and ponces fit spacers to the rear axle for aesthetic reasons...

I am gay. :gayfight:

[DuncanR]

I am gay. :gayfight: Im not ... but my boyfriend sas he is !!! :hahaha:

[cslgirl]

Looking good Funtime! Glad you are enjoying the CSL :thumbs:

1 April is my CSL D Day.... and I am counting down....

[AlexGTT]

Rubbing aside (which i also like lots...), the only benefit of spacers is when you fit some to the front axle to widen the track when using OEM wheels to negate the minor understeer tendency on slower/tighter corners.

Only gayboys and ponces fit spacers to the rear axle for aesthetic reasons...

I am gay. :gayfight:

You don't have to tell us mate. You've been out for ages.:gayfight:

[mattCSLnut]

Looking good Funtime! Glad you are enjoying the CSL :thumbs:

1 April is my CSL D Day.... and I am counting down....

Same here :thumbs: can't wait :smt041

[cslgirl]

Same here :thumbs: can't wait :smt041

:thumbs: I have 2 new rear springs being fitted in the morning, then fun fun fun in the afternoon.

[mattCSLnut]

:thumbs: I have 2 new rear springs being fitted in the morning, then fun fun fun in the afternoon.
Suspension Solution with your as well :whistle: Copy Cat ;) :hahaha:

[cslgirl]

Suspension Solution with your as well :whistle: Copy Cat ;) :hahaha:


:hahaha:

[ando]

Looking good Funtime! Glad you are enjoying the CSL :thumbs:

1 April is my CSL D Day.... and I am counting down....

Mine To! Can't wait!!

Looks good, after seeing the pics of the car I had to look at the speedo a few times to read the mileage, looks great for a high miler!

Ando

[monkeycsl]

Looking good shame you changed brakes and suspension so soon you will never experience the sheer class of the csl setup especially for the ring.:thumbs:

[glendog74]

Looking good shame you changed brakes and suspension so soon you will never experience the sheer class of the csl setup especially for the ring.:thumbs:

Don't think he's done the brakes yet judging by the holes in the discs ;)

I agree with your comment about the standard suspension, but brakes? Come on...! :bigcry: :hahaha:

[Pip1968]

Don't think he's done the brakes yet judging by the holes in the discs ;)

I agree with your comment about the standard suspension, but brakes? Come on...! :bigcry: :hahaha:

Where is Fuchsrohre when you need him??

Pip :hahaha:

[funtime]

Mine To! Can't wait!!

Looks good, after seeing the pics of the car I had to look at the speedo a few times to read the mileage, looks great for a high miler!

Ando

Cheers Ando, yes it is in very good condition for the milage but that's because it only had 41k on it 18 months ago - 66k's worth of genuine motorway miles has taken it to 107k so the wear is minimal :thumbs:

Looking good shame you changed brakes so soon you will never experience the sheer class of the csl setup especially for the ring.:thumbs:

Well I haven't got my brakes yet but deffo want to get them on :thumbs:

Loving it though :smokin:

[funtime]

Don't think he's done the brakes yet judging by the holes in the discs ;)

I agree with your comment about the standard suspension, but brakes? Come on...! :bigcry: :hahaha:

Good spot - not that it's hard to tell - poor monkey :hahaha:

And as for the brakes - he is a man in denial. :hahaha:

[monkeycsl]

Don't think he's done the brakes yet judging by the holes in the discs ;)

I agree with your comment about the standard suspension, but brakes? Come on...! :bigcry: :hahaha:
somehow standard brakes achieved a 7.50 lap prob with the optional uprated pads so they cant be that bad:blalalala:

[monkeycsl]

Good spot - not that it's hard to tell - poor monkey :hahaha:

And as for the brakes - he is a man in denial. :hahaha:
super dooper racing brakes would be wasted on me you cant polish them.:hahaha:

[funtime]

somehow standard brakes achieved a 7.50 lap prob with the optional uprated pads so they cant be that bad:blalalala:

That is with a racing driver though, and just imagine what time he would have achieved if he had proper brakes!! - 6:50? :hahaha:

super dooper racing brakes would be wasted on me you cant polish them.:hahaha:

Ah but that's where your wrong!!! big shiny painted calipers you can polish to your hearts content mate :hahaha::thumbs:

[glendog74]

somehow standard brakes achieved a 7.50 lap prob with the optional uprated pads so they cant be that bad:blalalala:

With a professional driver on a closed circuit - double :blalalala::blalalala:

[monkeycsl]

With a professional driver on a closed circuit - double :blalalala::blalalala:
i will be at the ring on the 21 april maybe you can show me how good these ap brakes are it would be good to meet up,mine is totally standard apart from limiter kit 10mm spacers on front braided lines and 5.1 fluid so i will be slow oh and i dont have cups either.:banghead:

[s.mac]

glad to hear you are enjoying it :thumbs:
it looks low !

[O'Neill]

Nice:thumbs:will see you/CSL at the 'Ring Easter:thumbs:

[glendog74]

i will be at the ring on the 21 april maybe you can show me how good these ap brakes are it would be good to meet up,mine is totally standard apart from limiter kit 10mm spacers on front braided lines and 5.1 fluid so i will be slow oh and i dont have cups either.:banghead:

No worries fella - more than happy to! :thumbs:

In all honesty, the APs are a luxury at the Ring where decent discs/pads/fluid will suffice. They are a necessity on UK track days though and this is where their worth is proven with resistance to heat & brake fade IMHO...

I'm sure you wont be too slow - 8m20s BTG laps are easily achieved on Michelin PS2s ;)

[DazBlackCSL]

No worries fella - more than happy to! :thumbs:

In all honesty, the APs are a luxury at the Ring where decent discs/pads/fluid will suffice. They are a necessity on UK track days though and this is where their worth is proven with resistance to heat & brake fade IMHO...

I'm sure you wont be too slow - 8m20s BTG laps are easily achieved on Michelin PS2s ;)

:-D

[shimmy]

What's this Wring place?

[DazBlackCSL]

What's this Wring place?

Towels ;)

[Rutkowski]

Funtime - Congrats!! ....BUT WHY ON EARTH YOUR M3CSL IS SO LOW FOR??!

The front looks like both springs snapped in half!

[daniel]

Slammed!
http://i45.tinypic.com/2akppw.jpg

I agree that it looks a bit low, I made that mistake with my M3 and noticing it rubbing in certain places (cue the jokes).

[shimmy]

Funtime - Congrats!! ....BUT WHY ON EARTH YOUR M3CSL IS SO LOW FOR??!

The front looks like both springs snapped in half!

Imsuspect it is a mixture of photo angle nd lack of spacers and high camber making it look so!

Simpsons don't like to lower them any more than about 17mm unless specifically asked for and front is usually higher by about 5mm than back.

[funtime]

Funtime - Congrats!! ....BUT WHY ON EARTH YOUR M3CSL IS SO LOW FOR??!

The front looks like both springs snapped in half!

Imsuspect it is a mixture of photo angle nd lack of spacers and high camber making it look so!

Simpsons don't like to lower them any more than about 17mm unless specifically asked for and front is usually higher by about 5mm than back.

I think Shimmy's right - if you look at the fist photo side on you'll see that the tyre and arch gap is a little more on the front than the rear, and in the side on photo it's not actually that low. I think it looks lower on the front facing shot but that's just down to the camera angle.

Only other possibility is that the coilovers have settled a bit as they were rebuilt with new bodies. I'm just guessing though.

Might be going back there sooner than planned anyway so i'll ask them about it. :smokin:

[Streetwise Hercules]

Get some more photos up. It does look as if it's slightly broken in the first shot or that a teenager has set it up.

[_Nathan_]

lol, that has to be Ant.

[glendog74]

lol, that has to be Ant.

I think he's been rumbled...! :hahaha:

[shimmy]

Get some more photos up. It does look as if it's slightly broken in the first shot or that a teenager has set it up.

work experience guy maybe!

but if he gets muppets to do his geo on the cheap then so be it!:thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

lol, that has to be Ant.

I saw him with one hand looped on top of the steering wheel and a reversed baseball cap the other day in your CSL Funtime. ;) Think he'd been cruzin' downtown Lydney in it.

[J13NY S]

As Shimmy says it’s the shadow caused by the wheel arch, doesn’t look seriously low to me, a set of 12mm spacers will sort it out.

Did this car belong to Julian’s mate next door?

If so he didn’t half stack up the miles, it was for sale by its original owner the same time I bought mine with 3k miles on it, I think the guy owned a motorcycle race team.

[funtime]

As Shimmy says it’s the shadow caused by the wheel arch, doesn’t look seriously low to me, a set of 12mm spacers will sort it out.

Did this car belong to Julian’s mate next door?

If so he didn’t half stack up the miles, it was for sale by its original owner the same time I bought mine with 3k miles on it, I think the guy owned a motorcycle race team.

Yes that is the one, he did 67k miles in 18 months looking at the mileage register ;)

That's why I bought it though as I knew they were genuine motorway miles and up until that it was a low mileage car. Sitting on the motorway does very little in terms of wear :smokin:

[shimmy]

, I think the guy owned a motorcycle race team.

I heard he was a welder?:thumbs:

[J13NY S]

I love the way you can stoke the fire shimmy!

[shimmy]

I love the way you can stoke the fire shimmy!


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


like you saying it was Julians mate and he was a race team manager aint :thumbs:


(was that all true then?):whistle:

[glendog74]

That's why I brought it though as I knew they were genuine motorway miles and up until that it was a low mileage car. Sitting on the motorway does very little in terms of wear :smokin:

Thats right mate - you keep convincing yourself... :whistle: ;)

[northernjim]

Yes that is the one, he did 67k miles in 18 months looking at the mileage register ;)

That's why I brought it though as I knew they were genuine motorway miles and up until that it was a low mileage car. Sitting on the motorway does very little in terms of wear :smokin:

sorry but where did you bring it from or too?

I don't agree that sitting on motorways won't do you any harm either:whistle:

[funtime]

sorry but where did you bring it from or too?

I don't agree that sitting on motorways won't do it any harm either:whistle:

Typo.

That's fine, I didn't say it wouldn't though did I - just less than average wear and tear.

Anyway I don't have to convince anyone, I bought the car from Simpson's as It was perfect for me and I trusted Ant and Julian when they said that they'd changed anything that needed changing and the car drove exactly the same as all the others that pass through their workshop with half the miles.

Whilst I expect banter on here it's a tad disheartening when people talk about it as if the cars a baggy whore and Ant and Julian have stitched me up by selling it to me.

Let's not forget that this is my pride and joy, and despite it having more miles and being worth less than all of the others on here it's still my CSL and I love it to bits.

;)

[glendog74]

Let's not forget that this is my pride and joy, and despite it having more miles and being worth less than all of the others on here it's still my CSL and I love it to bits.


Aww bless :smt058

[shimmy]

Typo.

That's fine, I didn't say it wouldn't though did I - just less than average wear and tear.

Anyway I don't have to convince anyone, I bought the car from Simpson's as It was perfect for me and I trusted Ant and Julian when they said that they'd changed anything that needed changing and the car drove exactly the same as all the others that pass through their workshop with half the miles.

Whilst I expect banter on here it's a tad disheartening when people talk about it as if the cars a baggy whore and Ant and Julian have stitched me up by selling it to me.

Let's not forget that this is my pride and joy, and despite it having more miles and being worth less than all of the others on here it's still my CSL and I love it to bits.

;)


James

Well said, they are heartless gloaters.:smt055

You just enjoy the little lovely:thumbs:

[glendog74]

James

Well said, they are heartless gloaters.:smt055

You just enjoy the little lovely:thumbs:

I'm waiting for your punchline Shim... :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Typo.

That's fine, I didn't say it wouldn't though did I - just less than average wear and tear.

Anyway I don't have to convince anyone, I bought the car from Simpson's as It was perfect for me and I trusted Ant and Julian when they said that they'd changed anything that needed changing and the car drove exactly the same as all the others that pass through their workshop with half the miles.

Whilst I expect banter on here it's a tad disheartening when people talk about it as if the cars a baggy whore and Ant and Julian have stitched me up by selling it to me.

Let's not forget that this is my pride and joy, and despite it having more miles and being worth less than all of the others on here it's still my CSL and I love it to bits.

;)


Don't pay any attention to these wonabe bully mincers :gayfight: James ;) :hahaha: You just enjoy your CSL mate :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

James

Well said, they are heartless gloaters.:smt055

You just enjoy the little lovely, before the weld breaks and it falls in 2:thumbs:


Shimmy:smokin:

[shimmy]

Shimmy:smokin:


Close......I took off the end "while you can!"

[cslsuperfan]

funtime,

shimmy & co are just jesting. We are all fans of the car you drive. Whether it's 100k or 1K miles we luv em'.

:thumbs:;)

[3wheels3]

Simpsons have a big rep and no chance they'd spunk that selling a used car. If you ever feel disheartened stick the sport button on and go for a blast or better still look for a nice trackday to book :thumbs: and never let anyone have to power to get to you ya big pussy:beer:

Typo.

That's fine, I didn't say it wouldn't though did I - just less than average wear and tear.

Anyway I don't have to convince anyone, I bought the car from Simpson's as It was perfect for me and I trusted Ant and Julian when they said that they'd changed anything that needed changing and the car drove exactly the same as all the others that pass through their workshop with half the miles.

Whilst I expect banter on here it's a tad disheartening when people talk about it as if the cars a baggy whore and Ant and Julian have stitched me up by selling it to me.

Let's not forget that this is my pride and joy, and despite it having more miles and being worth less than all of the others on here it's still my CSL and I love it to bits.

;)

[J13NY S]

my CSL and I love it to bits.

Now I like my CSL but never thought about getting passionate! :smt055

Was just thinking if I had bought this one there’d be approx 23k on it now, what a difference.

[funtime]

Cheers for the comments guys, I know I shouldn't have let it get to me, it's just one of those things when your having a rubbish day and you let something wind you up more than it should...

As 3wheels3 said though, a drive in sport mode seems to put the world to rights :thumbs::hahaha:
:beer:

[3wheels3]

...the rubbish day...putting world to rights (at least in your own mind!)...fun / banter on trackdays & forums are bread & butter solutions for csl :thumbs: The day that changes is the day to sell it!
But a nicer bunch you will not find than on here, and shimmy helps soo much he should up for OBE or should that be OCR (Order of Csl Reg!) :smt055 ha ha ha

[glendog74]

Shimmy is simply the CSL Register equivalent of a 'Train Spotter'. :hahaha:

Or should that be 'Man Train Spotter'? :bigcry:

[mattCSLnut]

Shimmy is simply the CSL Register equivalent of a 'Train Spotter'. :hahaha:

Or should that be 'Man Train Spotter'? :bigcry:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... no mention of the M........A.........N........ train :gayfight: Pleeeeeeez
He's bored out of his wits in Bonn and quite unpredictable :whistle: ;) :hahaha: