To those that run coilovers at the Ring...

[funtime]

Simple question...

Firstly do you drive with the traction control fully off or or with M-track or full DSC on?

Secondly, to those that run with traction control on, especially those that run with it fully on (not M-track) do you find that it triggers more since fitting the coilovers?

Basically, I've brought a set of Intrax and speaking to a mate today he said that when he ran KW V3's on his M5 it made the DSC trigger much much more than with the standard suspension, and I'd be silly to fit my Intrax for the purpose of the ring as the DSC will trigger so much that I'll actually be slower.

I don't have a CSL so I don't have the option of M-track, and turning it fully off is not an option at the ring. Round a normal circuit, maybe even spa, yes I would turn it off, but not round the ring.

Any help greatly recieved as usual :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Simple question...

Firstly do you drive with the traction control fully off or or with M-track or full DSC on?

Secondly, to those that run with traction control on, especially those that run with it fully on (not M-track) do you find that it triggers more since fitting the coilovers?

Basically, I've brought a set of Intrax and speaking to a mate today he said that when he ran KW V3's on his M5 it made the DSC trigger much much more than with the standard suspension, and I'd be silly to fit my Intrax for the purpose of the ring as the DSC will trigger so much that I'll actually be slower.

I don't have a CSL so I don't have the option of M-track, and turning it fully off is not an option at the ring. Round a normal circuit, maybe even spa, yes I would turn it off, but not round the ring.

Any help greatly recieved as usual :thumbs:

James, you worry far too much

Firstly just coz a mate can't drive or set up his suspension or has dodgy Tyres or pressures doesn't mean good suspension doesn't work.

[_Nathan_]

Just soften the rear for better traction.

[funtime]

James, you worry far too much

Firstly just coz a mate can't drive or set up his suspension or has dodgy Tyres or pressures doesn't mean good suspension doesn't work.

DOH! I know, I do worry, but that's only because I don't like to waste money and if I can save money in the long run by asking the right questions then I don't have to learn the hard way so many times :)

To be fair, he is a good driver and done well over 100 laps of the ring over the last few years. Irrespective of tyres and ability though, if it triggered the DSC more then it triggered it more... so to be able to put that down to poor suspension set up, I wanted the experiences of others ;)

So do you use DSC? I'm guessing most will use M-Track? and nutters use nothing :supz:

Just soften the rear for better traction.

I get that, but did the DSC trigger more? :)

[AlexGTT]

Mine doesn't trigger the DSC in M-track any more than normal.

But then again, I usually drive with DSC completely off anyway.

One weird thing I have noticed since fitting Intrax, going through Karussell @ Ring on warm up laps with DSC fully on, the car tends to want to understeer and scrub out of the top of the banking. Probably a combination of too much camber (only happens in damp/cold conditions) and stiff Intrax setting. With M-Track or DSC off there's no issue.

[DazBlackCSL]

As shim says need to find your level not your mates I'm running coilovers no issues .. M track good to dip and find the levels Off the best ..

BUT. Why the he'll does it matter if your not racing earning points or trophies ?

Enjoy your car, track days and the ring etc to the best of your ability, if you want more race and take the plunge some good MX5 stuff coming up .. Seriously ;)

[glendog74]

Just drive smoothly - you don't trigger the DSC at all that way ;)

I have KW Clubsport and drive in M-Track mode at the Ring - the only time DSC flickers is when the car goes light over the bigger crests.

[AlexGTT]

Just drive smoothly - you don't trigger the DSC at all that way ;)

I have KW Clubsport and drive in M-Track mode at the Ring - the only time DSC flickers is when the car goes light over the bigger crests.

Or when your drifting.......................right Rob.;)

[shimmy]

my DSC has never ever flashed on the Ring :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

my DSC has never ever flashed on the Ring :thumbs:

Didn't you once splash on ring Shim?:hahaha:

[glendog74]

Or when your drifting.......................right Rob.;)

Yeah - badly! :butthead:

i'm scared of the Ring :gayfight:

It's ok Shim - we'll forgive you. :goodman:

[northernjim]

Didn't you once splash on ring Shim?:hahaha:

That has put me right off my bacon buttie:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

[AlexGTT]

That has put me right off my bacon buttie:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

:hahaha: Me too!:bigcry:

Shimmy's either scared or very wise.:hahaha:

Possibly both.;)

[DuncanR]

Funtime, I run Intrax 4 way on my mortar ! and have done a few laps of tut Ring we 'um, some with M on ..or is it off ? :smt102 ... trouble is, I have never driven anything else ...so for that reason ... im fookin useless as far as this thread is concerned so Im out !:hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

Funtime, I run Intrax 4 way on my mortar ! and have done a few laps of tut Ring we 'um, some with M on ..or is it off ? :smt102 ... trouble is, I have never driven anything else ...so for that reason ... im fookin useless as far as everything is concerned so Im out !:hahaha:
:thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

... im fookin useless :hahaha:

About sums it up mate.;):hahaha:

[Dan]

But then again, I usually drive with DSC completely off anyway.



Is that including normal every day driving Alex? I drive a lot with mine in sport mode lately but don't tend to lose the DSC too much, my Michelin PS's seem to have a very low limit of adhesion at the moment which can be worrying/exciting!

[glendog74]

Is that including normal every day driving Alex? I drive a lot with mine in sport mode lately but don't tend to lose the DSC too much, my Michelin PS's seem to have a very low limit of adhesion at the moment which can be worrying/exciting!

It is rather cold at the moment after all... :whistle:

[alexk]

Is that including normal every day driving Alex? I drive a lot with mine in sport mode lately but don't tend to lose the DSC too much, my Michelin PS's seem to have a very low limit of adhesion at the moment which can be worrying/exciting!

Anything else other than DSC completely off is simply GAY

[toofastforyou]

Anything else other than DSC completely off is simply GAY

+1

@funtime as long as you respect the car and appreciate that the weather is bad you'll be fine. you should only go to the ring once you are completely confident with your m3. whats the point of driving on any track with the gay dsc system intervening the moment you attempt to put the power down in the corners? slow is smooth, smooth is fast......

[AlexGTT]

Is that including normal every day driving Alex? I drive a lot with mine in sport mode lately but don't tend to lose the DSC too much, my Michelin PS's seem to have a very low limit of adhesion at the moment which can be worrying/exciting!

At every opportunity mate. Only left on if very wet/slippery on the road and only M-track on track/Ring for warm up laps.;) Too intrusive otherwise.

[toofastforyou]

At every opportunity mate. Only left on if very wet/slippery on the road and only M-track on track/Ring for warm up laps.;) Too intrusive otherwise.

precisely way too intrusive, and too boring with it left on.

i would only have the dsc left on in wet/slippery conditions if i was travelling at speed and couldn't be bothered to concentrate.

[Dan]

It is rather cold at the moment after all... :whistle:

Yeah I know mate but it doesn't seem to take much to make them squirm! ;) lol

Anything else other than DSC completely off is simply GAY

Thanks for your positive technical input there Alex! :bigcry: :gayfight:

At every opportunity mate. Only left on if very wet/slippery on the road and only M-track on track/Ring for warm up laps.;) Too intrusive otherwise.

Is this all on Cups most of the time mate?

[funtime]

hmmm well thanks for the replys guys, some amusing ones to make me chuckle, but then I didn't expect anything less :blalalala:

Basically, nobody has been able to directly answer my question with regard to the difference in DSC intervention before and after coilovers, BUT I have been able to concur that either:

I should stop driving like a pussy and turn DSC off :blalalala:

Or

You lot are a bunch of un-hinged lunatics with to much money to bother worrying about destroying your CSL's!

Wont bother asking for a show of hands! :gayfight:

[funtime]

Actually when I say all, I would like to exclude Dan ^ as he seems to have a more cautious view like myself and also appears to be baffled by the fact this crazy driving is all on CUPS :hahaha:

[AlexGTT]

hmmm well thanks for the replys guys, some amusing ones to make me chuckle, but then I didn't expect anything less :blalalala:

Basically, nobody has been able to directly answer my question with regard to the difference in DSC intervention before and after coilovers, BUT I have been able to concur that either:

I should stop driving like a pussy and turn DSC off :blalalala:

Or

You lot are a bunch of un-hinged lunatics with to much money to bother worrying about destroying your CSL's!

Wont bother asking for a show of hands! :gayfight:

I think most have told you there is no difference with coilovers and their effect on DSC. That is certainly my experience apart from one very unique corner on one track. Did that not answer the question?

Dan yes, 95% of the time on Cups. The only way it should be.;)

[funtime]

I think most have told you there is no difference with coilovers and their effect on DSC. That is certainly my experience apart from one very unique corner on one track. Did that not answer the question?

Dan yes, 95% of the time on Cups. The only way it should be.;)

Sorry Alex I forgot your post, but yes your post was the only one that answered the question :thumbs:

Thats not to say the other replys wern't useful/entertaining ;)

[AlexGTT]

Sorry Alex I forgot your post, but yes your post was the only one that answered the question :thumbs:

Thats not to say the other replys wern't useful/entertaining ;)

If we're not useful we're always entertaining on here mate.:hahaha:

[funtime]

:hahaha: I picked that up quite quickly... If I had a pound for every thread that contained either of the two comments below, I could have brought a CSL by now! :hahaha:

:gayfight: or GAY

[toofastforyou]

hmmm well thanks for the replys guys, some amusing ones to make me chuckle, but then I didn't expect anything less :blalalala:

Basically, nobody has been able to directly answer my question with regard to the difference in DSC intervention before and after coilovers, BUT I have been able to concur that either:

I should stop driving like a pussy and turn DSC off :blalalala:

Or

You lot are a bunch of un-hinged lunatics with to much money to bother worrying about destroying your CSL's!

Wont bother asking for a show of hands! :gayfight:

the point everyone is trying to make to you is that it doesnt make a difference if the dsc intervenes more with or without coilovers. having it left on is too intrusive and hinders fast progression, and it hides the true nature of the m3. you need to learn to drive with the dsc off all the time to get the most out of your car.

some people are of the opinion that the oem suspension is best, others aftermarket suspension. i'm of the opinion that for everyday road use oem is the best compromise, and for track work you need aftermarket to be as fast as you can.

whether the dsc intervenes more before or after coilovers is irrelevant. i personally didn't find a difference, probably cos it was always switched off!

[glendog74]

To answer the original question:

I find that DSC behaves in exactly the same way with my a/m suspension to what it did with the original OEM setup. I run KW Clubsport which use a separate spring and shock arrangement at the rear - just like OEM, rather than full coilovers like Intrax for example.

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[AlexGTT]

There's not enough gay stuff on this forum IMHO...

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Homo.:hahaha:

[funtime]

To answer the original question:

I find that DSC behaves in exactly the same way with my a/m suspension to what it did with the original OEM setup. I run KW Clubsport which use a separate spring and shock arrangement at the rear - just like OEM, rather than full coilovers like Intrax for example.

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[glendog74]

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[toofastforyou]

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[toofastforyou]

homo:smt043:smt043:smt043

[alexk]

When the conditions are wet and slippery is precisely the time when you have to turn the evil system OFF !

I cannot help about the subject hard-suspension activates more the DSC or not because I have no clue whatsoever.
Nevertheless, I know that the 0-100% lock LSD of the CSL is there to help yourself in the 'difficult' conditions.

If you need DSC, maybe you should buy something more safe, easier to drive like a Focus or a Golf or a Vauxhall... homos :gayfight::gayfight::gayfight:
:birdman::birdman::birdman:

[glendog74]

If you need DSC, maybe you should buy something more safe, easier to drive like a Focus or a Golf or a Vauxhall... homos :gayfight::gayfight::gayfight:
:birdman::birdman::birdman:

Or a Fiat? :whistle: :smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082

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[alexk]

Or a Fiat? :whistle: :smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082

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Said the one who cannot drift a CSL :gayfight:

[glendog74]

Said the one who cannot drift a CSL :gayfight:

That may well be - but i have never set foot in a Fiat, let alone be seen driving one... :hahaha:

[alexk]

That may well be - but i have never set foot in a Fiat, let alone be seen driving one... :hahaha:

Mate, learn how to drive a BMW first and then comment about people driving Fiats ;)
It's disgrace for the brand... M3 CSL, the most hardcore BMW ever produced driven by people that have no drift skills. :whistle:

[AlexGTT]

That may well be - but i have never set foot in a Fiat, let alone be seen driving one... :hahaha:

Don't tell him about the Yaris Rob!!






Oh....................fuck. Sorry mate.;):hahaha:

[glendog74]

Mate, learn how to drive a BMW first and then comment about people driving Fiats ;)
It's disgrace for the brand... M3 CSL, the most hardcore BMW ever produced driven by people that have no drift skills. :whistle:

Ok Alex - i bow to your greatness :notworthy:

Don't tell him about the Yaris Rob!!






Oh....................fuck. Sorry mate.;):hahaha:

I like the Yaris :smt055

[AlexGTT]

Ok Alex - i bow to your greatness :notworthy:



I like the Yaris :smt055

Yeah, chill Alex.:smokin: Sideways isn't fast.;):hahaha:

Rob, Yaris makes more sense than my car with these fookin' fuel prices!:bigcry::hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

Mate, learn how to drive a BMW first and then comment about people driving Fiats ;)
It's disgrace for the brand... M3 CSL, the most hardcore BMW ever produced driven by people that have no drift skills. :whistle:

How come you were so slow at spa then Alex

I thought it was a homo driving :gayfight:

[Dan]

Actually when I say all, I would like to exclude Dan ^ as he seems to have a more cautious view like myself and also appears to be baffled by the fact this crazy driving is all on CUPS :hahaha:

Thanks, I think! :hahaha: :hahaha: I did have Cups but fooked 'em before the winter! :bigcry:

Dan yes, 95% of the time on Cups. The only way it should be.;)

Hardcore! :hahaha: ;) :thumbs:

[Dan]

Said the one who cannot drift a CSL :gayfight:

Get a 200SX if you want to drift! :gayfight: ;)

[daniel]

Mate, learn how to drive a BMW first and then comment about people driving Fiats ;)
It's disgrace for the brand... M3 CSL, the most hardcore BMW ever produced driven by people that have no drift skills. :whistle:
Do you care to share any examples of your mega drift skills? They must be amazing if you are so vocal about them.

[flow]

Do you care to share any examples of your mega drift skills? They must be amazing if you are so vocal about them.

:thumbs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E14GN2_zNE

[mattCSLnut]

:thumbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E14GN2_zNE
That's awesome :thumbs: I bet that's harder to do then drifting the CSL ;) :hahaha: Scandinavian Flick on the push bike is also quite impressive :thumbs: