Some more on the M3 GTS

[Mark CSL]

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/bmw-m3-gts-gallery-2010-11-05?imageNo=0

[Great Pretender]

I've got a bit of a lob-on for the GTS and I'm not sure why.

Evo didn't rate it too highly compared with the 997RS, albeit Car seem to like it better.

It just looks like a double-hard bastard next to the boringly familiar 911 silhouette.

[AlexGTT]

I think next to the 997 GT3 RS it looks second rate and like it crashed through Halfords front window into the Ripspeed dept. Also makes the 997 GT3 RS look great value and it's substantially quicker on Ring.

There's no contest.

[shimmy]

Seeing it in the flesh made me realise it is pants.

Masively overpriced due to low numbers but nothing more than a homologation exercise to run the 4.4 ltr engine

Spoiler, Cf roof and interior looks rubbish for £120k

Engine bay looks sweet.

truth is you can do this yourself and better with an e92 M3 (much easier than M3 to CSL). More power and better suspension.

[toofastforyou]

I think next to the 997 GT3 RS it looks second rate and like it crashed through Halfords front window into the Ripspeed dept. Also makes the 997 GT3 RS look great value and it's substantially quicker on Ring.

There's no contest.

sure in that orange colour, but in that new frozen grey colour it would look very mean, purposeful and very sexy. it is still quite heavy for a 'lightweight' at 1530kg. i think with just a major diet to csl weight it would compete with gt3rs around the ring, but for that price it should already be lighter.

[shimmy]

sure in that orange colour, but in that new frozen grey colour it would look very mean, purposeful and very sexy. it is still quite heavy for a 'lightweight' at 1530kg. i think with just a major diet to csl weight it would compete with gt3rs around the ring, but for that price it should already be lighter.

i think they are only made in orange

[AlexGTT]

sure in that orange colour, but in that new frozen grey colour it would look very mean, purposeful and very sexy. it is still quite heavy for a 'lightweight' at 1530kg. i think with just a major diet to csl weight it would compete with gt3rs around the ring, but for that price it should already be lighter.

I wouldn't care what paint was on it. It's still shite in comparison. It's also way too heavy at 1530kg. I've seen nicer rear wings on the Saxo's racing round the town centre.

Also, as me, Shimmy, Yanto and Daz saw, they use the same carbon roof as the regular coupe and badly fill the fixing for the sharks fin. Very second rate and not bespoke enough for the price.

[toofastforyou]

i think they are only made in orange

yeah they are, for some strange reason. horrible colour. so pikey

if i got one i think the first thing i would do is spray it frozen grey.

my mate got a e92 competition pack in frozen grey with all the csl carbon bits, it looks seriously sexy like an e92 csl! i'll get a pic up of both of ours side by side soon.

[toofastforyou]

I wouldn't care what paint was on it. It's still shite in comparison. It's also way too heavy at 1530kg. I've seen nicer rear wings on the Saxo's racing round the town centre.

Also, as me, Shimmy, Yanto and Daz saw, they use the same carbon roof as the regular coupe and badly fill the fixing for the sharks fin. Very second rate and not bespoke enough for the price.

apparently the wing is the from bmw 320 race cars.

i agree about the price. bmw should have produced more, lowered the price (£70k) and called it the e92 csl. i would have been all over it like flies on hot s**t.

[mattCSLnut]

For £120K I'd want this :drool: :thumbs:

[toofastforyou]

For £120K I'd want this :drool: :thumbs:

well you can have this

[AlexGTT]

well you can have this

No thanks. A bit OTT for me. I'd have the performance up-grades but go stealthy on the looks.;)

[toofastforyou]

No thanks. A bit OTT for me. I'd have the performance up-grades but go stealthy on the looks.;)

i think when you are pushing 600bhp you need a wider track to get the power down, so its kinda part and parcel of the performance upgrades.

and i dont think bright orange on the gts is less stealthy than this monster.

whether or not i would want one is an entirely different matter.

[AlexGTT]

i think when you are pushing 600bhp you need a wider track to get the power down, so its kinda part and parcel of the performance upgrades.

and i dont think bright orange on the gts is less stealthy than this monster.

whether or not i would want one is an entirely different matter.

I didn't mean converting a GTS. I was thinking a bogo coupe.

[toofastforyou]

I didn't mean converting a GTS. I was thinking a bogo coupe.

gts or bog coupe , the chassis is not designed to handle that kind of power, thus to push 600bhp, modifications to the chassis must be made. they dont need to be, but for better traction in lower gears and powering out of corners it is paramount.

[alexk]

I expressed my opinion when I first saw the CSL 1.5 year ago in Munich (one of the first ones to see it).

Marketing3 GTS

[shane@mbtech]

well you can have this

Are you part owner at G power:whistle:

Defend them to the hilt about an exhaust someone said they copied and now shameless plugs;):hahaha:

[_Nathan_]

i think when you are pushing 600bhp you need a wider track to get the power down, so its kinda part and parcel of the performance upgrades.


Nah, more powerful M3s running round with standard bodies.

[AlexGTT]

gts or bog coupe , the chassis is not designed to handle that kind of power, thus to push 600bhp, modifications to the chassis must be made. they dont need to be, but for better traction in lower gears and powering out of corners it is paramount.

There is a customer M3 Coupe at Simpson Motorsport with more than 600bhp. Chassis handles the power just fine.

[_Nathan_]

"modifications to the chassis must be made. they dont need to be"

:thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

"modifications to the chassis must be made. they dont need to be"

:thumbs:

Don't think about it Nathan. It's a bit beyond us simpletons.:hahaha:

[toofastforyou]

Are you part owner at G power:whistle:

Defend them to the hilt about an exhaust someone said they copied and now shameless plugs;):hahaha:

i wish i was part owner, i'd have a lot of toys i can only dream of.

i just saw this on their website the other day, and i thought it was a road version of the alms e92 m3. so when mattcsl said for 120k he'd rather have the alms race car it immediately sprang to mind.

gimme a break guys, bloody hell. i'm just an enthusiast.:smt100

[toofastforyou]

There is a customer M3 Coupe at Simpson Motorsport with more than 600bhp. Chassis handles the power just fine.

to make the most out of the 600bhp i think you need a wide body kit. take a look at the wheel spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvgyxrptLGk

[alexk]

to make the most out of the 600bhp i think you need a wide body kit. take a look at the wheel spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvgyxrptLGk


And what a scientific approach to prove that you need a wide body kit to put the power down...
A video of the tacho, -7.5 degrees temperature, god knows where the video is taken and wheelspin in first gear...

You convinced us now :blalalala:

BTW, what is the chassis number of your CSL :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

i wish i was part owner, i'd have a lot of toys i can only dream of.

i just saw this on their website the other day, and i thought it was a road version of the alms e92 m3. so when mattcsl said for 120k he'd rather have the alms race car it immediately sprang to mind.

gimme a break guys, bloody hell. i'm just an enthusiast.:smt100

WE just like taking the piss mate, dont take it seriously:smokin:

[shimmy]

gimme a break guys, bloody hell. i'm just an enthusiast.:smt100


cool, most on here are just "bed hoppers" :smokin:

your doing very well under extreme pressure ;)

[AlexGTT]

cool, most on here are just "bed hoppers" :smokin:

your doing very well under extreme pressure ;)

:hahaha: :thumbs:Agreed. Ahhhhh, bless you Shim, always looking out for the new guys. Or grooming as it's actually known.:gayfight:

Mind you, -7.5 degrees is not the ideal conditions to get any sort of power down Toofast.;)

[_Nathan_]

Indeed, just joking.

You can fit pretty wide tyres under the normal arches though, certainly wider than BMW fit.

[toofastforyou]

And what a scientific approach to prove that you need a wide body kit to put the power down...
A video of the tacho, -7.5 degrees temperature, god knows where the video is taken and wheelspin in first gear...

You convinced us now :blalalala:

BTW, what is the chassis number of your CSL :whistle:

i think you will find that it wheel spins in the first 3 gears and is only able to put the power down in 4th. Can you count?:whistle:

the video illustrates the fact that the chassis does not cope well with 600bhp.

i agree that in -7.5 it would be difficult to put the power down, but according to g power it had winter tyres and the conditions were optimal for this kind of test.

[toofastforyou]

WE just like taking the piss mate, dont take it seriously:smokin:

don't worry fella, i dont. :bigcry:

all about the banter.:thumbs:

[toofastforyou]

cool, most on here are just "bed hoppers" :smokin:

your doing very well under extreme pressure ;)


:smt053

[alexk]

i think you will find that it wheel spins in the first 3 gears and is only able to put the power down in 4th. Can you count?:whistle:

the video illustrates the fact that the chassis does not cope well with 600bhp.

i agree that in -7.5 it would be difficult to put the power down, but according to g power it had winter tyres and the conditions were optimal for this kind of test.

Have you driven the car or are you one of the youtube-gurus ?
:whistle:

[Bounce]

don't worry fella, i dont. :bigcry:

all about the banter.:thumbs::smokin:

[shane@mbtech]

i think you will find that it wheel spins in the first 3 gears and is only able to put the power down in 4th. Can you count?:whistle:

the video illustrates the fact that the chassis does not cope well with 600bhp.

i agree that in -7.5 it would be difficult to put the power down, but according to g power it had winter tyres and the conditions were optimal for this kind of test.


Definitely on the Gpower books;):hahaha:

[toofastforyou]

Have you driven the car or are you one of the youtube-gurus ?
:whistle:

guru, no. but i watched the video and upon analysis i conveyed my thoughts about traction issues to g power when i spoke to them about their prototype exhaust. they agreed to get the most out of 600bhp, modifications to the chassis must be made.

i will be going to g power in about a month and i will drive the car then.:smokin:

[toofastforyou]

Definitely on the Gpower books;):hahaha:

:eeek:

[alexk]

so how do you explain the fact that the tips are different sizes?

my friend knows the exact details as he has a working relationship with g power. maybe g power is lying that they have just developed the prototype and that they even took the photo yesterday, but i very much doubt that as i dont see why they would lie.

my friend is a professional racing driver good enough to get sponsored to drive the not yet developed ferrari 458 gt3, he won the gt3 championship in the dbrs9, had a few seasons in the gt2 rsr and has done testing in lmp1. so when he talks about anything to do with cars it is pure fact, he doesnt speculate.

being part of this forum, one should not assume that they know more than others not on the forum or recently joined, perhaps they do but perhaps they dont. it is just narrow mindedness to assume one knows more than the next man. you said: 'you are not listening members that are here for a few years and actually know a bit more than you.' the operative word here is 'know', as they dont know, they assume it is the same exhaust as a result of a few similar recurring variables.

according to my friend who spoke to akrapovic directly, while akrapovic have not entirely ruled out the possibilty of making an exhaust for the e46 m3, they told him it is very very unlkely as the e46 is the old model now and there isn't a big enough market to produce it. they also added that they are far too busy with development for newer cars with much bigger markets to even consider producing an exhaust for the e46 m3 for the time being.

So your friend has a working relationship with G Power...


guru, no. but i watched the video and upon analysis i conveyed my thoughts about traction issues to g power when i spoke to them about their prototype exhaust. they agreed to get the most out of 600bhp, modifications to the chassis must be made.

i will be going to g power in about a month and i will drive the car then.:smokin:

So did you speak to them or your friend who has a working relationship ?

Also, please ask them on my behalf when you visit them :
Is it real that the G Power supercharged M3 flied to space and back ?
The cousin of the wife of my neighbor keeps saying this :hahaha:

[toofastforyou]

So your friend has a working relationship with G Power...




So did you speak to them or your friend who has a working relationship ?

Also, please ask them on my behalf when you visit them :
Is it real that the G Power supercharged M3 flied to space and back ?
The cousin of the wife of my neighbor keeps saying this :hahaha:

yes my friend has a working relationship with them.

no i spoke to them.

i will leave the childish comments and questions to you: 004982529098636, ask for yann.

and the past tense of fly is flew, not flied.:hahaha:

[Hazy]

and the past tense of fly is flew, not flied.:hahaha:


LOL busted!:hahaha:

[alexk]

yes my friend has a working relationship with them.

no i spoke to them.

i will leave the childish comments and questions to you: 004982529098636, ask for yann.

and the past tense of fly is flew, not flied.:hahaha:



Go on, continue the G Power promotion smarty ;)

[toofastforyou]

Go on, continue the G Power promotion smarty ;)

:gayfight:

i will, if when i go there the exhaust is as good as they say it is. until then im just telling it how i see it.:smokin:

[alexk]

:gayfight:

i will, if when i go there the exhaust is as good as they say it is. until then im just telling it how i see it.:smokin:

Any pics of you CSLs or you don't have any :birdman:

[toofastforyou]

Any pics of you CSLs or you don't have any :birdman:

:gayfight::gayfight:

i only have one csl for now, will post some very nice pics of mine next to 'e92 csl' up soon when weather gets better. its locked up over the winter, standard.

[shane@mbtech]

Ive figured out the riddle

[toofastforyou]

Ive figured out the riddle

dont tell me you've lost the plot again

[shane@mbtech]

dont tell me you've lost the plot again

Done a bit of digging;)

[toofastforyou]

Done a bit of digging;)

hope you didnt dig too deep:whistle:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

As for a M3 GTS, I would rather purchase
something like this, spend 5k making it
road legal and have a better car and be 40k
better off.

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/32888/BMW_M3_GT4.html


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

As for a M3 GTS, I would rather purchase
something like this
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/32888/BMW_M3_GT4.html


It looks a whole lot nicer than that horrid orange thing too! :thumbs:

[toofastforyou]

Hi,

As for a M3 GTS, I would rather purchase
something like this, spend 5k making it
road legal and have a better car and be 40k
better off.

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/32888/BMW_M3_GT4.html


Regards,

The Gorilla.

+1. definitely

[billy-m3cutters]

There is a customer M3 Coupe at Simpson Motorsport with more than 600bhp. Chassis handles the power just fine.


Yeah he just got ESS vt600 kit believe to be running roughly 625bhp.



It's Tony R who's car it is. He's a member on cutters and has a good Knowledge on tuning.

[AlexGTT]

Yeah he just got ESS vt600 kit believe to be running roughly 625bhp.



It's Tony R who's car it is. He's a member on cutters and has a good Knowledge on tuning.

Indeed.;)

[shimmy]

Indeed.;)

;)