Brakes!?

[sicoyne]

This is my first post on here so first I'll say Hi to everyone!!

I'm hoping to be in the market for a CSL in the next 6 months or so, havent driven one yet though, and have been looking at the cars currently available.

I've already Registered with another Forum, and asked lots of questions on there.

One thing people seen kean on is AP brakes. I know AP are good brakes but has anybody fitted, or thinking of fitting anything else?

The reason I ask is that I know of a guy who has RS6/Gallardo 8 Pots on the Front of his car and Boxster S front Calipers on the rear. I know one of his friends through him working at a Porsche Specialist I used to use and he says the car stops on a 5pence. Somebody posted on the mtorque and they were about to fit the same set-up. Coming from a 964RS I am used to good brakes and this will be one of the first things I change if need be.

Thanks in advance

P.S. Couldnt use my usual Username for Forums as I clicked on the wrong option regarding being over 13 or not....only just over it - by 20 years!! Ooops :banghead:

[Mark CSL]

Welcome Sicoyne
take a look here i have these on order they are also makeing me a 4pot rear
set up as well

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=443&highlight=hispec+brakes
:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[SpineOnABap]

Hispec really are nasty nasty nasty nasty. Possibly the worst quality you could put on.

[GAZ345]

Hispec really are nasty nasty nasty nasty. Possibly the worst quality you could put on.
are you basing that on experience,or what a person selling a/p's has told you :whistle:

[SpineOnABap]

Neither. One of my friends does a lot of brake repairs for motorsport or tuning outfits (skimming, refurbs etc). It seems the quality of workmanship is very poor on the hispec stuff, which may present itself as a problem to the driver, not just the person fitting it. His view is that they are the worst out of all the different makes he sees.

Each to their own though eh :smokin:

[GAZ345]

well i've had three kit's from them on my car's,i've also had a/p's & i can't see where the workmanship/quality is any better or worse,maybe i'm just lucky :thumbs:

[sicoyne]

How about getting brackets made and fitting something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260270604649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

I know some people will say dont use other Brands but thats just daft if they are a good/better than that offered by BM. I'd be interested in fitting some Porsche Big Reds or something like the Ebay ones above. I have experience of Porsche brakes (last couple of cars were Porsche) and they are superb...never fade, always reliable and great stopping power. Should easily be able to pick a Full set up from a breaker like www.Porsch-apart.co.uk Either 993 Turbo Brakes, Cayenne Turbo Brakes or any that are the 6 pot front and 4 pot rear.

[Mark CSL]

the kit comes with performance friction discs
and they are some of the best discs on the Market
there are a few people with AP kits that now use this disc as they are better than the AP discs

But each to there own

[Bravo73]

I know some people will say dont use other Brands but thats just daft if they are a good/better than that offered by BM. I'd be interested in fitting some Porsche Big Reds or something like the Ebay ones above. I have experience of Porsche brakes (last couple of cars were Porsche) and they are superb...never fade, always reliable and great stopping power. Should easily be able to pick a Full set up from a breaker like www.Porsch-apart.co.uk Either 993 Turbo Brakes, Cayenne Turbo Brakes or any that are the 6 pot front and 4 pot rear.


I've said it before but I'll say it again: :blalalala:

"Eurghh. Why would you want Audi and Porker parts on your BMW CSL?"

:hahaha:

[sicoyne]

I know some people will say dont use other Brands but thats just daft if they are a good/better than that offered by BM. I'd be interested in fitting some Porsche Big Reds or something like the Ebay ones above. I have experience of Porsche brakes (last couple of cars were Porsche) and they are superb...never fade, always reliable and great stopping power. Should easily be able to pick a Full set up from a breaker like www.Porsch-apart.co.uk Either 993 Turbo Brakes, Cayenne Turbo Brakes or any that are the 6 pot front and 4 pot rear.


I've said it before but I'll say it again: :blalalala:

"Eurghh. Why would you want Audi and Porker parts on your BMW CSL?"

:hahaha:

Because they make great brakes (Porsche do anyway, cant speak for Audi) :whistle:

[Mark CSL]

Now Now boys i think the csl brakes are good but not for trackdays
:whistle:

[M3ACS]

Ive had a few brake kits in the past HiSpec, FCarbon from CA Automotive, and now APs on the CSL.

I found the HiSpec and FCarbon very similar both in design and performance, yes the disk size seemed larger than the APs but this caused me problems with track wheels as i prefer the cost of 18" tyres rather than 19" ones which the HiSpec and FCarbon needed for clearance. In general performance was better than stock.

In contrast the CSL came with APs alround and i can now fit 18" alloys which is better for me and choice of wheels on track. I would say the APs look of better quality and i feel they give better performance than any other brake kit ive had in the past even though they have a smaller disk diameter. This may honestly be a placebo effect of knowing i have APs but i do feel a differance and do believe the quality is better and more solid. If that makes sense. APs do cost more but now ive tried a few kits id prefer to pay the extra knowing i have a solid setup.

Ill stop rambling now but thats just my 2p.

If your in further doubt id suggest speaking to Simpson Motorsport as they have a few stories about certain BBK they have seen fail when put under the pressure and can probably give better advise than I.

[Mark CSL]

Thanks M3ACS all info welcome :thumbs:

[Andyk]

Now Now boys i think the csl brakes are good but not for trackdays
:whistle:

You're right there Mark...never had a problem with the standard ones for road use.

Will say that Simpsons motorsport said that the standard disc are OK it's really only the pads that need changing on the front.

[derek]

just bought set of ap's one of the calipers had 2 wrong pistons, they were too large, worth checking before you take off the old brakes that all pistons can be pushed home, this is an issue known to ap, cost me 3 days work through not having a car, worked out to be expensive brakes

[Mark CSL]

just bought set of ap's one of the calipers had 2 wrong pistons, they were too large, worth checking before you take off the old brakes that all pistons can be pushed home, this is an issue known to ap, cost me 3 days work through not having a car, worked out to be expensive brakes

But other than that how are you finding them ?? :banghead:

[derek]

they are good not a lot of difference between the standards brakes with pagid 19 pads and braided hoses as far a stopping the car , but expect less fade, going for first track day in my own car at knockhill later this month hopefully i will benefits from having ap's

[Mark CSL]

Derek When are you at knockhill i like a trackday there i done 6 last week :hahaha:

[derek]

28th Aug, i know about 5 or 6 people who have booked, where is the best place for track insurance,

[Mark CSL]

Not sure i dont bother with it
This is what you must be going to ??

Hot Marques Evening
Thu 28th August

6pm - 8pm

I might be there. :thumbs: where in scotland are you ??

[derek]

thats it, its taken a few years to decide to do a track day in my own car, im in perth so its only 30mins away knockhill

[Mark CSL]

What colour is you CSL ??

[derek]

black

[Mark CSL]

were you at knockhill a not long ago there was a black CSL watching at the hairpin at knockhill when i was on track :whistle:

[derek]

no my car has never been near the track, seen some of your pics looks good, do you have track insurance?

[Bravo73]

Hello Derek,

Hope you're well (and thanks for the PS2s... :wink:)

You might struggle to find 'reasonable' track insurance. The premiums will be very high (£3-500 just for the day), hardly anything is covered (ie no third party cover - which is particularly what I was after) and often a pay-out limit of only £15-20k (ok for a Caterham, less so for a £30k CSL!)

Because of all of this, you might find that most of us accept the risk and track our cars without specific track insurance. I certainly do. :smt009


HTH,

B73

[Mark CSL]

I dont have track insurance just watch what the nuters drive like and do the same you dont want this to happen

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/markcsl/IMG_0083.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/markcsl/IMG_0086.jpg

This is a friend of mine but he was racing in the scottish saloon cars :thumbs:

[derek]

that makes me feel good!!!!

[Mark CSL]

Ha HA ha
The day you are going is the best days.

Have you upgraded the brakes ?? race fluid / braided brake pipes / red stuff pads and the standard brakes are great on track.

Also get a good tyre gauge and check the tyre pressures as they get very high
when you are on track.

[derek]

i have just put on aps, got a tyre gauge, just need some valium if i dont get track insurance

[Mark CSL]

No m8 you will be fine just watch your mirrors as there is some fast cars out there but they are all in the same boat and dont want to fling it off the track. :thumbs:

I do a 60.04 sec lap the lambo does A 54.00 sec Lap

If this is your first time you should do it in 65.00sec / 68.00sec lap

[Bravo73]

And to be fair, Derek, that Lambo was actually racing, rather than 'just' being on a track day. The two are very different. Remember that when you're on a track day, YOU set YOUR pace. If you want to pootle around at 30mph whilst you get used to things, then so be it.

What I do highly recommend though (seeing as it will be your first day out) is to get some driver tuition. Most events provide it at about £30 for 20 mins. I would probably even go as far as booking multiple sessions ie plan on having the instructor with you for about half of the day/session. If you get a half decent instructor (most of them are!), then you will get much, much more out of this few hundred quid than paying for a day's track insurance.

Best of luck. You'll have a ball. And only then will you truly 'understand' the CSL. :thumbs:

(And judging by some of the vids that I've seen of Knockhill, I'm going to have to make a journey up to the 'far North' :wink: at some point in the future. I'll see you there! :beer:)

[Mark CSL]

I could set up a cslregister trackday if we can get enough intrest
it costs £1500 for 2 hours on track open pitlane.

30 CARS £50 EACH OR 20 CARS £75 EACH

Let me know what you think and i can get more info :thumbs:

[derek]

the less cars the better for me

[sicoyne]

Does nobody do a Policy that includes Trackdays. I used to pay £420 per year (it was Limited Mileage) to insure my 964RS with an agreed value of £55k and it included all 'organised trackdays'

That was through A Manning Ltd. Not sure if they do the same for CSL etc but gotta be worth asking.

[Bravo73]

I investigated that sort of policy when I got my CSL. But nobody was interested in a CSL worth £30k - their payout limit was nearer £15-20k.

Didn't seem much point.

[sicoyne]

Seems odd they would insure a 15 year old car worth £55k but not a 5 year old one worth £30k!!

Hmmmm, will investigate further.

[Bravo73]

If you have any joy, give me a shout.

[Gastro]

Try Pace Ward - offer very good rates and will include trackday cover (even Nurburgring).........

http://www.pw-f.co.uk/

[derek]

got a couple of quotes

Pace Ward £283 £3500 excess
Greenlight - wont insure unless you have a policy with them
Morris £174 - £1800 excess (insurance upto £30,000)
Competion Car insurance £237 - £3400 excess

[Bealo]

If i'm home Mark i'll make the long trip up north for the CSL Knockhill trackday.

I'll stay over night in a hotel somewhere, never been before so would be good experience

[Mark CSL]

got a couple of quotes

Pace Ward £283 £3500 excess
Greenlight - wont insure unless you have a policy with them
Morris £174 - £1800 excess (insurance upto £30,000)
Competion Car insurance £237 - £3400 excess

:119: :119:

[Mark CSL]

If i'm home Mark i'll make the long trip up north for the CSL Knockhill trackday.

I'll stay over night in a hotel somewhere, never been before so would be good experience

Cool it is a long way we might get Neil to set up another day at oulton park :thumbs:

[derek]

i could probably recommend a few hotels for you

[Bealo]

Sounds good. TBH not that bothered about the distance as i don't get much opportunity to drive the car seeing as i work abroad a alot.

Hotel recommendations would be appreciated Derek thanks.

Be good to meet you all.

[SMD]

Cool it is a long way we might get Neil to set up another day at oulton park :thumbs:[/quote]


Yea that would be great! :thumbs: