FAO Titan

[_Nathan_]

More details on the Evo please :)

is it a stroker? htf did you get 285s all round? Wide arches? We need pics and info :thumbs:

[glendog74]

www.lancerregister.com (http://www.lancerregister.com) :smt102

[Craig]

The Evo is pretty MEGA and you can't miss it!!

[titan]

Ingredients:
One evo. Time And Money.

Recipe:
Take one evo, fully strip, remove seam filler and seam weld, full T45 cage, remove bonnet, roof and boot and replace with carbon items, ditch the doors for GRP replacements, chuck the original wings, cut away the rear quarters and fit do-luck wide bodykit. Fill with 18x10 Advan RS running 285/30 DZ03 rubber. APR splitter, canards and GTC rear wing, ralliart CF mirrors and thats you done on the exterior.

A stripped out but still alrite interior, pair of CF seats, schroth harnesses, relocation of battery and thats your interior sorted.

Ask your friends at KW by way of a cheque to make you a nice 3-way competition suspension setup, stick on a big alcon kit and you've something which handles and stops.

Engine wise, take the original engine, throw away anything with "mitsubishi" stamped on it, bore to 2.3 litres and fit forged aftermarket replacement items. Give the head to Richard Wood (cncheads) and get back some flowed, ported big valve jobbie. Stick some Jun racing cams in the top. Hybrid GT3076HTA turbo, AMS F1-i inlet, fancy exhaust headers, milltek system, massive injectors, twin fuel pumps and a motec m800 are the order of the day. Some daft ignition system. Countless other ancillaries.

Keep it all lubed with 15 litres of Motul 300-V in a dry sump kit. Cool it all down with custom pace intercoolers, rads and power steering rads etc.

Pictures speak a thousand words.

One perfectly good car to wreck:
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/97-2/001.JPG
Who needs metal rear quarters anyway?
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/146-2/rear+right+quarter+cut.jpg

Convertible?
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/161-2/Roof+off+2.jpg

Taking Shape
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/143-2/left+doors.jpg

Refitting
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/26-2/003.JPG
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/35-2/006.JPG
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/44-2/009.JPG

We like rubber!
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/50-2/011.JPG

Back off to the bodyshop for final bits
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/126-2/IMG_0206.JPG

And Home !
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/178-2/IMG_0233.JPG
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/174-2/IMG_0232.JPG

Straight out on track
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/197-2/16.jpg

Out to the ring
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/673-2/DNA_2026.jpg

like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmzq0LvWyo

and then later this year
http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/736-2/IMAG0040.jpg

which was done like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9tN00JubGg (my daft overtake, got clouted by the white bimmer saving him from the armco!)

got an email from ABW yesterday - its all fixed with new panels, paint going on. So its a couple of weeks from being back on the road/track.

In many ways, its an awesome bit of kit. In a lot of ways it was the wrong thing to do. Was glad I did it but wouldn't do it again.

[Yanto]

<shudder>

Looks very quick.....sorry to see outcome of vid but looks like it could've been a lot, lot worse....

[karbonkid]

Only 0.7G into the Armco!? Agree, could have been a lot worst. Bloody M3 Drivers!! Doh.. :banghead:


In many ways, its an awesome bit of kit. In a lot of ways it was the wrong thing to do. Was glad I did it but wouldn't do it again.

Like to do something similar one day soon, starting from scratch/ built from own spec.
Explain why never again? Still cant get past those damn CSLs? :hahaha: ;)

[_Nathan_]

I like!

Cheers

[titan]

Like to do something similar one day soon, starting from scratch/ built from own spec.
Explain why never again? Still cant get past those damn CSLs? :hahaha: ;)

I was bullied into getting an evo by my brother and friends lol. I was going to get a GT3 but they (perhaps rightly) pointed out that its a fair bit of cash to maybe find out you don't get back into the trackday scene (I used to run the SIDC (scoobies) years ago...)

The evo was meant to be a cheap alternative. Trouble is, they are just made to be modified and like all modified cars you end up chasing the weak point around the car until you end up with something that bears little resemblance to what you started with.

An evo is not a circuit car. If you want a circuit car, start with something more suitable. An M3 is perhaps a good example.

The reason I wouldn't do it again is because (in this case, with the evo) you're on your own. No tuner can advise you on what components to run, what rideheights, geometry, pad compounds, you are literally building a prototype with only your own ideas. Its a very time consuming and costly way of getting a track car.

Take suspension. When it was a "road car" I had exe-tc which was fantastic. When the car was stripped and lightened it sat too high on the exe-tc, this was already at its limit of adjustment and so it got replaced by a tein kit which seemed to promise all that was needed. Great on UK tracks and a deathtrap on the 'ring so it was over to KW. That little exercise is months of waiting, trips for fitting/geo and testing on tracks, very painful.

Conversely I bought a CSL, stuck an Alcon brake kit on it, will have Intrax fitted, leave the engine alone and end up with a very capable car indeed. Simpson can tell me exactly what spring rates, ride heights and geo to run for the different conditions because guess what? They've done it hundreds of times before.

The CSL will never be as quick as the evo but perhaps thats the point. I'm averge joe with average joe driving skills yet I've ended up with what is a race car. We reckon the evo is easily capable of sub 7:30 BTG at the 'ring in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. My best was 7:45 so I'd hope for a pro to bang out 7:15 or so. Good luck catching that :thumbs:

[Bealo]

Nice car mate :thumbs:

Sorry to see you little mishap.... Bloody BMW drivers eh? :whistle:

[AlexGTT]

Thing is, a decent "hobby driver" :whistle: ;) (it's an old joke, not worth going into here) can do sub 7.50 BTG in a bog standard CSL or GT3/RS, etc.

Bloody nice project car though. Lovely pics.:thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

The CSL will never be as quick as the evo but perhaps thats the point. I'm averge joe with average joe driving skills yet I've ended up with what is a race car. We reckon the evo is easily capable of sub 7:30 BTG at the 'ring in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. My best was 7:45 so I'd hope for a pro to bang out 7:15 or so. Good luck catching that :thumbs:

Thanks for sharing. :thumbs:

but I disagreed with the statement above. :blalalala:

T$

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[Dan]

Nice build there Lee, glad to hear it's back on the mend mate :thumbs:

[titan]

but I disagreed with the statement above. :blalalala:

Which bit ?

[northernjim]

Fantastic build there Titan, modifying can be an expensive habit I know, but ultimately I love the feeling of gettingmy car 'just so' :beer:

You've done what many people can only dream of!



Thanks for sharing. :thumbs:

but I disagreed with the statement above. :blalalala:

T$

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Which bit ?

Csl's are the fastest, and a lowly ricer will never be quicker.....:whistle:;)


From a csl owners point of view of course :smokin:

[_Nathan_]

lol.

How much does it weigh and how much power? Still got AYC or has it got proper mechanical diffs now like an RS?

[TANKSLAPPER]

Which bit ?


The bit you say "The CSL will never be as quick as the evo"

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

This isn't the MLR Register lol

Nice build though :thumbs:

[titan]

lol.

How much does it weigh and how much power? Still got AYC or has it got proper mechanical diffs now like an RS?

1340Kg with all fluids and a full tank-o-fuel.

Power wise a bit of an unknown due to issues on the rollers at my tuners. It'll be around the 600 mark but I was never interested in phenominal cosmic power, I run a lowly 1.8bar so I don't hit any issues...

AYC - never had it. The original car was a GT which is an RS with aircon, so it has mechanical diffs and a 5sp RS box.

I had the ACD taken out and replaced with a mechanical too.

[titan]

The bit you say "The CSL will never be as quick as the evo"

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

This isn't the MLR Register lol

Nice build though :thumbs:

heh well given the same driver, it would be hard to see how. The CSL is around the same weight and sub-400 HP. It may have a better chassis dynamic, but the evo's big rubber and 4wd would be tough to beat. Some sections (out of briedscheid up ex-muhle (spelling??)) are a bit of a danger spot for RWD, whereas the evo just blasts up the hill.

If you said "someone decent in the CSL vs me in the evo" - fair enough, but I do think that if the driver was the same it would be a one horse race. I won't be doing 7:45 in the CSL !

[mattCSLnut]

If you said "someone decent in the CSL vs me in the evo" - fair enough, but I do think that if the driver was the same it would be a one horse race. I won't be doing 7:45 in the CSL !

TANKSLAPPER = " someone decent in the CSL @ the Ring " :whistle:

[glendog74]

dontdobends :whistle:

[DuncanR]

Some sections (out of briedscheid up ex-muhle (spelling??)) are a bit of a danger spot for RWD, whereas the evo just blasts up the hill.

Mmmmm interesting dont you think T$ ??? :whistle:

Nice job Lee, well done mate. Shame about the off, but I reckon given the gap like that most of us would have done same and gone for it !

PS T$ is also the biggest wind up around these parts ! ...or is it prats ??? :hahaha:

[TANKSLAPPER]

heh well given the same driver, it would be hard to see how. The CSL is around the same weight and sub-400 HP. It may have a better chassis dynamic, but the evo's big rubber and 4wd would be tough to beat. Some sections (out of briedscheid up ex-muhle (spelling??)) are a bit of a danger spot for RWD, whereas the evo just blasts up the hill.

If you said "someone decent in the CSL vs me in the evo" - fair enough, but I do think that if the driver was the same it would be a one horse race. I won't be doing 7:45 in the CSL !

I might let you pass in Your 600 break evo,...........lol, But standard evo’s could overtake a standard CSL and if we did multiple laps the tyres on the evo would give up first.

I totally agreed about ex-muhle is a very difficult bend to take in the csl with the traction off, I had my moments up there.

As you probably know, Andrew Molholland did 7.40 BTG in a standard engine CSL

So am I right in thinking that you have just bought a CSL ?

T$

[TANKSLAPPER]

Mmmmm interesting dont you think T$ ??? :whistle:

Nice job Lee, well done mate. Shame about the off, but I reckon given the gap like that most of us would have done same and gone for it !

PS T$ is also the biggest wind up around these parts ! ...or is it prats ??? :hahaha:


Duncan is the second biggest wind up pratt. :birdman:

Lee, whatever you do don't give Duncan your phone number.

T$

[shimmy]

Looking at your vid again Titan I think I would have gone for that gap swell, as ge seemed to make a clear move off line. Prob he made a mistake and forgot which corner he was at.

He needed me at his side!;)

Running a data log of your Evo against CSL would be very interesting at the Ring. Would be good to see how much the Evo teatscaway on the acceleration and how close it is on corner speed.

[AlexGTT]

Of course, it's easy to sit behind a computer screen and preach the do's and don'ts at the Ring but I'd say the M3 driver made a bad mistake. He was wide on the first part of Wipperman and therefore in the wrong place for the second part forcing him to brake exactly where you don't want to brake!!

It looked like he was leaving the door open and 9 out of 10, most of us would have drived through. But, he clearly fucked up and closed the door on you.

Bad luck fella. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not too much you could have done other than maybe hung back while he gathered it up and passed him later.

[titan]

I might let you pass in Your 600 break evo,...........lol, But standard evo’s could overtake a standard CSL and if we did multiple laps the tyres on the evo would give up first.

Now I would disagree with that statement ;-)

I moved over to direzzas when I used to run a "standard" 245 profile tyre. R888s and road tyres just melted. Direzzas really do take the heat.

However since moving to a 285 profile and removing weight from the car gone are tyre heat issues. Especially at the ring. I was considering moving back to an R888, I find the direzzas also remove some of the feedback.

I totally agreed about ex-muhle is a very difficult bend to take in the csl with the traction off, I had my moments up there.

I've seen countless M3s in the armco a few hundred yards after ex-muhle on the straight. Can only assume they lose the rear, slap down the straight before using the armco to bring an end to their fail.

As you probably know, Andrew Molholland did 7.40 BTG in a standard engine CSL

I didn't know it was that quick. That is impressive, allowing approx 30s for a full-lap conversion, thats only 20s off of the "official record". My point being that if he can do 7:40 in a CSL, he would be able to go quicker in the evo surely.

So am I right in thinking that you have just bought a CSL ?

Yes indeed. Its my warm-up to porker-ownership next year. I figure I need to learn some decent RWD control before stepping up to something even more ridiculous than the evo.

Are you one of these chaps (from PH) "Gaute, Steve Gill, Thorleif, myself and numerous other regulars will lap in circa 7:40 -> 7:50 fairly easily..."

[shane@mbtech]

A well set up 600bhp evo would muller a CSL, even with uprated brakes suspension etc. On track and ring. Difference changing depending on which track.

Ive been round enough of both to know.

Same driver (good driver BTW), I reckon a CSL is on par with a well set up 400bhp EVO.

Same driver (good driver again) 600 bhp well set up EVO, the CSL would wonder which way it went.

And Lee's Evo looks very well set-up. 285 rubber makes a big difference on the Evo's.

I did not really like the way any of my evo's drove, My CSL is the best circuit car Ive owned, (except my Indy, but not comparable due to massive differences)

I had far more fun in my CSL than I ever done in my Evo's though.

Horses for courses.


The problem with trackdays etc, beating various cars, you get a false impression that said car is not actually that fast, but put a quick driver in it and you then clearly see the other cars potential.

I came across a handful of X bows on track, thought they were shit and slow, then one day at oulton park a 260bhp left everyone standing still doing sub 1.50's easily. My views changed dramatically.

I have came across 100's of evos on track inc high powered ones, and only a handful have ever been quick.

Perception is a funny thing.

BTW Lee, your top mounts are being made now by SD, as a rush order, they called me today, apologising. PM on its way. :thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

No I’m not from PH, but I do know Gaute, Steve Gill, Thorleif more from forums that racing lol.
Although I don’t time myself on the Ring others have. Sub 8 min is the norm subject to traffic & conditions.

It’s interesting your thoughts on 285 rubber

I have found running to larger tyre sizes has detrimental effect on my lap times as specially on long tracks, what you gain on the bends you lose on the straights. I found myself driving much more aggressively throwing the car into bend rather than driving it.

ie 285 rear & 265 fronts cups @ Spa 2’56”
standard fitment 265 rear, 235 front cups @ Spa 2’ 54”

This is probably down to the lack of BHP increase when I fit the wider tyres. You should have this problem with 600 bhp lol

I found the biggest gain from having wider tyres is longevity, ideal if you are doing endurance racing.

T$

[glendog74]

It’s interesting your thoughts on 285 rubber

I have found running to larger tyre sizes has detrimental effect on my lap times as specially on long tracks, what you gain on the bends you lose on the straights. I found myself driving much more aggressively throwing the car into bend rather than driving it.



Ian,

Did you ever have rubbing issues with the 285 rears? Did you change the rear camber settings to allow fit under the arch?

TVM ;)

[shimmy]

T$

Dont forget his wide rubber is on a 4wd car do getting more power down

Any track with ling straights and fast corners wider front rubber isn't likely to help, just look at dragsters and their front to back rubber sizes

[glendog74]

T$

Dont forget his wide rubber is on a 4wd car do getting more power down

Any track with ling straights and fast corners wider front rubber isn't likely to help, just look at dragsters and their front to back rubber sizes

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[TANKSLAPPER]

Ian,

Did you ever have rubbing issues with the 285 rears? Did you change the rear camber settings to allow fit under the arch?

TVM ;)


No rubbing issues but they where on 18x10j with 20mm offset. 1.5 camber

The only issue you will have is the overall diameter is small than the 265 cups so the m track mode does not work well as the the car software works out the rear wheels are going faster than the front ie wheel spinning so it cut the power. speedo & mileometer registered 10% out ie @100mph was traveling 90 mph faster acceleration easier than changing the diff ratios

I run with the DSC off

285 rear have fantastic traction not only round bends but from a standing start. 265 front set up had great grip level no more under-steer at high speed but increased the over-steer, at slower speeds the feeling thought the steering wheel was poor.

The car generally felt under powered.

For me the Jury is still out on this one. I reckon the ideal tyre size would be 285 rear 245/255 front but no one makes them.

18" rubber is the way to go on track as you can run the curbs :thumbs: with stiffer suspension.

[glendog74]

No rubbing issues but they where on 18x10j with 20mm offset. 1.5 camber

The only issue you will have is the overall diameter is small than the 265 cups so the m track mode does not work well as the the car software works out the rear wheels are going faster than the front ie wheel spinning so it cut the power. speedo & mileometer registered 10% out ie @100mph was traveling 90 mph faster acceleration easier than changing the diff ratios

I run with the DSC off

285 rear have fantastic traction not only round bends but from a standing start. 265 front set up had great grip level no more under-steer at high speed but increased the over-steer, at slower speeds the feeling thought the steering wheel was poor.

The car generally felt under powered.

For me the Jury is still out on this one. I reckon the ideal tyre size would be 285 rear 245/255 front but no one makes them.

18" rubber is the way to go on track as you can run the curbs :thumbs: with stiffer suspension.

Thanks for the info mate.

I'll be trying 18's next year:

Fr: 18 x 9.5J with 265 Cups
Rr: 18 x 10.5J with 285 Cups

Might be interesting :hahaha:

[TANKSLAPPER]

oh yeah

I forgot to mention the additional loads put through the chassis with the higher grip levels makes her moan like an old women.

You will need to change your bushes to ploy bushes.

T$

Sorry Titan for hijacking your thread.

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[Dan]

oh yeah

I forgot to mention the additional loads put through the chassis with the higher grip levels makes her moan like an old women.

You will need to change your bushes to ploy bushes.

T$

Sorry Titan for hijacking your thread.

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Good info for us all, crack on I say mate :thumbs:

[titan]

oh yeah

I forgot to mention the additional loads put through the chassis with the higher grip levels makes her moan like an old women.

You will need to change your bushes to ploy bushes.

T$

Sorry Titan for hijacking your thread.

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no problem, it served its purpose ;-)

In evo-land, big rubber means a move to a dry sump system.

How does an M3 engine fare in this respect ?

[shane@mbtech]

Standard power you dont see too many issues with oil surge.
Most CSL cup cars are normal sump with no issues.

I reckon its to do with engine mounting difference
Longtitudinal vs transverse in evo.

[TANKSLAPPER]

I haven't had or heard of any oil starvation / surge, but I'm not the best person to ask and haven't run the wider rubber for very long on track.

I am of the same thinking as Lawsy

T$

[shimmy]

How does an M3 engine fare in this respect ?

pretty robust :smokin:

[Curly]

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pretty robust :smokin:

:hahaha: