View Full Version : Brands Hatch Indy lap times!
shimmy
25-10-2010, 01:37 PM
What lap times does a CSL do at Brands Hatch Indy.
Just wanted to compare against the race cars this weekend.
Daz and Curlys best in Standard Class CSL CUP were 54+ secs so Id guess around 52 secs for a CSL would be about right:bigcry:
shimmy
25-10-2010, 01:38 PM
sorry i meant 57+ secs :hahaha:
Curly
25-10-2010, 02:03 PM
you should be in 55 shim on cups its a short lap
DazBlackCSL
25-10-2010, 02:13 PM
What lap times does a CSL do at Brands Hatch Indy.
Just wanted to compare against the race cars this weekend.
Daz and Curlys best in Standard Class CSL CUP were 54+ secs so Id guess around 52 secs for a CSL would be about right:bigcry:
Both of our cars were actually M3's as well that season, with just slicks and a bit of weight shaved off .. so agree with Curly around 55/56
shimmy
25-10-2010, 02:24 PM
Clives E30M3 at Snett was about 1m 26+ so say 6 secs slower than the CSL. (but Snett is a pooooower circuit to a degree) and at BRands Clive was running 57sec+ so i guess 55-56 is gota be about right although the E30 handles well on the shorter slower circuit
When we were there back in the summer I think I timed Matt at around 58/59secs on his Dunlops and KK was a few seconds quicker on his Cups.
I was slow as fook as had never done the circuit and couldn't get the line right! :bigcry::hahaha:
mattCSLnut
25-10-2010, 03:43 PM
When we were there back in the summer I think I timed Matt at around 58/59secs on his Dunlops and KK was a few seconds quicker on his Cups.
I was slow as fook as had never done the circuit and couldn't get the line right! :bigcry::hahaha:
Don't forget KKs fancy after market suspension :thumbs: and my well used O.E. stuff :bigcry: which as good as it is @ the Ring :thumbs: doesn't suit Brand's "short & twisty" circuit that much :bigcry:
_Nathan_
25-10-2010, 03:43 PM
Gent's e46 was in the 48s earlier this year :D
Don't forget KKs fancy after market suspension :thumbs: and my well used O.E. stuff :bigcry: which as good as it is @ the Ring :thumbs: doesn't suit Brand's "short & twisty" circuit that much :bigcry:
I think it was Alex's boots that did the trick! :hahaha: ;)
mattCSLnut
25-10-2010, 03:47 PM
Gent's e46 was in the 48s earlier this year :D
Impressive :thumbs: but I bet it wasn't very standard :whistle:
shimmy
25-10-2010, 03:50 PM
Gent's e46 was in the 48s earlier this year :D
:thumbs: very helpful Nath :hahaha:
mattCSLnut
25-10-2010, 03:53 PM
I think it was Alex's boots that did the trick! :hahaha: ;)
What :whistle: these ?
That's the ones! :smokin:
_Nathan_
25-10-2010, 04:20 PM
Impressive :thumbs: but I bet it wasn't very standard :whistle:
Had a K&N and a Peco big bore exhaust :thumbs:
mattCSLnut
25-10-2010, 04:27 PM
Had a K&N and a Peco big bore exhaust :thumbs:
Yeah Right ?!?! :hahaha: Was that on the E46 318i TD Beast ? :whistle:
Curly
25-10-2010, 05:26 PM
Why shim you doing the msv race thingy next year?you would walk it in the csl,yer gona have to at some balast;)or you could get thorney to detune it:whistle:
shimmy
25-10-2010, 05:37 PM
Why shim you doing the msv race thingy next year?you would walk it in the csl,yer gona have to at some balast;)or you could get thorney to detune it:whistle:
Nah, dont think the CSL is the right car - too quick and not really in the spirit - after seeing Clive in the MAzda, low cost has got to be the way forward as long as you have a few mates doing it and some other cars to race!
Anyway - i could always get Thorney to detune the MX5 and add a few Halfords spoilers :whistle:
karbonkid
25-10-2010, 06:59 PM
I think it was Alex's boots that did the trick! :hahaha: ;)
What :whistle: these ?
Yep Special lightweight ones with built in rocket booosters!!! ;)
RolyGTIR
25-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Yep Special lightweight ones with built in rocket booosters!!! ;)
What size & compound are those Alex? :clown: :hahaha:
mattCSLnut
25-10-2010, 09:06 PM
What size & compound are those Alex? :clown: :hahaha:
Size 8 and medium compound aren't they Alex ??? ;) :hahaha:
Size 8 and medium compound aren't they Alex ??? ;) :hahaha:
Soft compound but with steel toe caps! :hahaha:
DuncanR
26-10-2010, 09:13 AM
Gent's e46 was in the 48s earlier this year :D
There's always ONE isnt there !! ;) ... quick lap mate ! ... was it yours though ... not clear in original post !:hahaha:
DuncanR
26-10-2010, 09:15 AM
Why shim you doing the msv race thingy next year?you would walk it in the csl,yer gona have to at some balast;)or you could get thorney to detune it:whistle:
The CSL isnt in their list of approved cars ...currently anyway !
Curly
26-10-2010, 12:18 PM
dunc just take off the csl badge and get yer name down:thumbs:
_Nathan_
26-10-2010, 01:03 PM
There's always ONE isnt there !! ;) ... quick lap mate ! ... was it yours though ... not clear in original post !:hahaha:
Nothing to do with me buddy, it belonged to Keith Gent, hence "Gent's" ;)
_Nathan_
26-10-2010, 01:04 PM
dunc just take off the csl badge and get yer name down:thumbs:
:thumbs:
DuncanR
26-10-2010, 01:27 PM
Nothing to do with me buddy, it belonged to Keith Gent, hence "Gent's" ;)
Ya fookin muppet !!! .. I thought YOU were addressing us as gents ! :banghead:
Ya fookin muppet !!! .. I thought YOU were addressing us as gents ! :banghead:
You wolly! :hahaha: :hahaha: :bigcry:
DuncanR
26-10-2010, 01:49 PM
You wolly! :hahaha: :hahaha: :bigcry:
wELL I DONT FOOKIN KNOW WHO THE HELL kEITH gENT IS DO I !!! :hahaha:
_Nathan_
26-10-2010, 01:58 PM
wELL I DONT FOOKIN KNOW WHO THE HELL kEITH gENT IS DO I !!! :hahaha:
No, but you know you ain't a gent :whistle:
DuncanR
26-10-2010, 02:58 PM
No, but you know you ain't a gent :whistle:
Thats it then !! signature mod required methinks !! :hahaha:
wELL I DONT FOOKIN KNOW WHO THE HELL kEITH gENT IS DO I !!! :hahaha:
No, but you know you ain't a gent :whistle:
No but as above! :bigcry: ;)
Paul_D
30-10-2010, 12:34 AM
Shimmy,
Going back to your original question....
My last track day this year was at Brands Indy.
According to my Racechrono software, in my fully spec'd heavy M3, with Kuhmo V70a's, HSD coilovers, and AP front brakes my best time was 57.01 seconds.
I'm still a bit of a novice, so I would have thought a decent driver in a CSL could knock a couple of seconds off that?
shimmy
30-10-2010, 01:27 AM
Shimmy,
Going back to your original question....
My last track day this year was at Brands Indy.
According to my Racechrono software, in my fully spec'd heavy M3, with Kuhmo V70a's, HSD coilovers, and AP front brakes my best time was 57.01 seconds.
I'm still a bit of a novice, so I would have thought a decent driver in a CSL could knock a couple of seconds off that?
Cheers Paul, sounds like a v good time!
Paul_D
30-10-2010, 10:48 AM
It was quite a good day as many went home early, leaving the track quite empty.
Being able to do a few clear laps in a row seemed to make quite a difference in improving.
This is one of my better laps from the day, (although not the best) and you can see how empty the track is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTLlsM2o8M
The Gorilla
30-10-2010, 11:02 AM
Hi,
Andy Prialux was testing on the Brands Indy
circuit in Oct 2008 with the 2007 spec car.
It was in a 2007 WTC spec car, but not the
car he actually races.
Was not cold but not warm that day,
Track was very dry and was quite well 'rubbered',
they were doing some testing on tyres with revised
Suspension settings etc.
His best lap that afternoon was 52 secs +/-,
they said that in full race spec etc then they
would expect about another sec or so off.
What was interesting was they did 2 full on laps
with wets, in the Dry.
Something about how rapid progressive tyre degredation
impacts on suspension and handling.
There was also Z4 M in ETCC spec, but I never saw that do
any laps that afternoon.
Don't know if that tells you much.
Regards,
The Gorilla.
cslgirl
30-10-2010, 03:33 PM
I was doing about 1min 2/3 which I didn't think was too sad for my first track day on a cold Feb day, with cups.
Phatgixer
02-11-2010, 01:13 PM
Gent's e46 was in the 48s earlier this year :D
Kev Clarke's car dips into the 48s on new rubber, too.
Anyhting sub 50 secs is good for a E46 racer. Anything above starts becoming fodder for the E36 GusBus! (best lap 51.1, but will be nearly 1 second better on new rubber)
I think mine and Chalkie's road CSLs used to be in the 54s on cups, but that was a while back so my memory may be wrong!
Phatgixer
02-11-2010, 01:24 PM
:D
Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away this happened :hahaha:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii9/phatgixer/cslcup-2010-brands-201.jpg
shimmy
02-11-2010, 02:12 PM
ROADBLOCK
amazing how still pictures manage to hide the swerving.
northernjim
02-11-2010, 02:41 PM
ROADBLOCK
amazing how still pictures manage to hide the swerving.
:hahaha::smt042:smt0408):smt038:smt005
you do make me chuckle shim:beer:
DuncanR
02-11-2010, 05:17 PM
:D
Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away this happened :hahaha:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii9/phatgixer/cslcup-2010-brands-201.jpg
They didnt all go round and come up to lap you did they Angus ???:hahaha:
Probably a blinding start !:thumbs:
titan
03-11-2010, 01:01 AM
I'm at Brands tomorrow in the CSL. I'll be sure to report back just how slow a CSL can be made to go ;-)
whacked some cups on today. I hope that they get significantly better when scrubbed in and warmed up because on the road going home I thought my DSC light had short circuited with the indicators !
shimmy
03-11-2010, 01:04 AM
I'm at Brands tomorrow in the CSL. I'll be sure to report back just how slow a CSL can be made to go ;-)
whacked some cups on today. I hope that they get significantly better when scrubbed in and warmed up because on the road going home I thought my DSC light had short circuited with the indicators !
still plenty warm enough for Cups:thumbs:
dont worry about times, just bring it home safely titan, we are all holding our breath :whistle:
Phatgixer
03-11-2010, 01:52 AM
Probably a blinding start !:thumbs:
Was OK :D
6th to 2nd. What you can't see in the photo is the Shirmer car in the lead by 2 seconds already!:smokin:
WkFEfEGy3fo
shimmy
03-11-2010, 01:53 AM
Was OK :D
6th to 2nd. What you can't see in the photo is the Shirmer car in the lead by 2 seconds already!:smokin:
WkFEfEGy3fo
most likely heloped by the E36 roadblock - or as some call it the Schirmer No 3 car :smokin:
tbh great start though Agnes
Was OK :D
6th to 2nd. What you can't see in the photo is the Shirmer car in the lead by 2 seconds already!:smokin:
WkFEfEGy3fo
Hell of a start, have you got the extended version of that vid, would love to see it :thumbs:
Bounce
03-11-2010, 07:26 PM
Great start Angus.:thumbs::thumbs:
titan
04-11-2010, 02:05 PM
still plenty warm enough for Cups:thumbs:
dont worry about times, just bring it home safely titan, we are all holding our breath :whistle:
heh indeed. Car returned safely home, albeit the brakes are still in the same naff state as they were after snetterton.
Had a big vbox FAIL - because mine doesn't have a cigarette power lead I borrowed a friends. Spent half an hour tucking it away nicely in the glovebox, upgraded his firmware and did a nice scene for Brands.
"Sorry, no sucker mounts"
ah. bugger. So I have some data, just no video.
First time I've done Brands (well technically the 2nd, but that was like 15 years ago!)
At lunch I pulled the SD card out and had a quick look, 57s.
In the afternoon I had some tuition, picking up some racing lines around druids and mclaren, plus more confidence in the car/tyres. Whether that translated to better times or not - who knows. Can't remember whether I put the sd card back in and haven't had a chance to check.
A number of offs at paddock hill (unsurprisingly!) and one guy had a reasonable roll, naff end to his trackday. Someone might know him, a pair of e36 m3s who were "driving competitively" shall we say. Hence the off no doubt.
There's another thread on here regarding cup tyres and their wear vs slicks. Well I've done around 60% on a brand new set of cups and I spent a fair amount of the day in other peoples' cars. My judgement is that they are not a hard wearing tyre at all, very similar in wear rate to R888. They also sound terrible once they've picked up rubber and show the signs of track wear. Might be exaggerated at brands due to its size/corners.
They are also not a tyre for learning RWD control. By the time the rear is letting go you're doing some decent speeds. Ying-Yang Kangalangs for that I think.
great day, no issues, conversely we got repeatedly black flagged in the MX5 for hanging the tail out :D
They also sound terrible once they've picked up rubber and show the signs of track wear. Might be exaggerated at brands due to its size/corners.
I agree with this, and Tino (TMAQ) had the same issue when were at Brands (Indy) back in the summer, exiting the last corner onto the pit straight they sounded fooking shot which wasn't nice!
_Nathan_
04-11-2010, 02:29 PM
Once you start managing the pressures and temps better with geo they last longer.
Regardless of wear they don't go off after 4 laps like R888s do!
No indeed Nathan, I must add I am on OEM everything barring brakes, and only -1.5 Camber on the front so prob not best for productivity or longevity of Cups at all!
I did do a good 10-12 hot laps before deciding to come in though so they handled that better than R888's!
shimmy
04-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Cups can be a bugger in the Autumn as you tend to get the temp up and the rubber gets warm and sticky and it flies off then as soon as you cool down the rubber pick up goes rock hard and it feels like something is badly wrong - did the same at Anglesey last year and very hard to get it off as the track cools
glendog74
04-11-2010, 05:52 PM
Cups can be a bugger in the Autumn as you tend to get the temp up and the rubber gets warm and sticky and it flies off then as soon as you cool down the rubber pick up goes rock hard and it feels like something is badly wron - did the same at Anglesey last year and very have to get it off as the track cools
Were you drunk when you typed this? :bigcry:
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