Track Project M3

[titan]

Hi guys

whilst not having a CSL you guys seem to know what you're doing so i thought i'd post up here...

Just bought a 2003 M3 for a cheap trackday project. I say "cheap" because my other track car - an evo - is the other end of the spectrum. I've "been there, done that" with regards to engine mods and now want to do something a little more sensible.

So i was thinking stock M3, strip and lighten, sort the brakes and suspension, then leave the engine alone ! Chuck in a pair of more suitable seats, rear cage and harnesses and job done.

A friend has the alcon kit that Thorney are peddling as the CSL Cup kit (same size front rotors as on my evo, bigger rears though!), I've had one on order for a while, but Thorney are apparently waiting on a bit of hose from alcon...we'll see - I know John posts on here perhaps I can get some action on that ;-)

I would prefer to run 18" to keep tyre costs down, I've heard that running a 9J at the front can help with track, does anyone know what offset front/rear would be correct?

With regards to the suspension, choices choices choices...I've a 3-way competition KW kit on my evo which seems to work well. I looked at Ohlins and Nitron when deciding...I've had a read on here and moton/intrax also get some big thumbs up. Bearing in mind that this is meant to be a cheaper trackday project I don't want to spend the earth, KW Clubsports at a little over 1k, or the Nitron setup at 2.5k ?

Can much weight be shelved? I know the stock electric seats weigh a tonne, but appreciate any advice on where decent savings can be made.

All and any advice most appreciated!

[_Nathan_]

Lots of weight to be saved on a normal M3.

Seats are a big one, will it have a cage or not? If so then GRP doors will save you about 50kg, wouldn't use them without though as no side impact protection. How extreme do you want to go and I'm sure a few of us will be able to give you an idea...

I still love my Intrax, only the pikey 2 way cheap version but has gone from track day to race car with a change of springs and is still better than I am... Now have exactly the same power to weight as a standard CSL for power to weight regs (1420kg + 360bhp v 1260kg and 320bhp) and lapping Snet in the 1:15s, would go 14s with a better driver.

http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad236/GT3Jan/IMG_2657.jpg

:smt055:smt055:smt055

[_Nathan_]

Check out Lawsy's post in for sale section for suspension, no experience myself but lots of people on here use it to great effect.

[Dan]

Seeing as I'm looking at these at the moment I will say I thought the Clubsport's were nearer to 2k than they are 1 ;)

If you are putting a rear cage in you could ditch the sunroof (if it's got one) and get a carbon roof the same as a genuine CSL?

Get some pics up, sounds like a great project and would be nice to see it from start to finish :thumbs:

[titan]

Lets just say that I know a man at KW and having put a bit of business their way for myself and others, the clubsport kit for E46 is a smidge over 1k for me. The V3 under £900.

I looked for quite a while to find the "right car". Knowing a few people on northloop who build/race these cars I was advised to go for:

Facelift - to bypass the whole bottom end recall saga
Manual - didn't want any SMG lockup issues
No Sunroof - massive weight plus reduces helmet clearance
Low Mileage - always preferable

The wife set a budget of 20k for the entire project so the starting car needed to be 13k or lower...tricky finding all of the above for that!

Basically a car which had been cared for. I caught a plane to Aberdeen and drove this home (a mere 570 miles):

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1926827.htm

its in fantastic condition.

My other car: http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/v/ring19apr2010/DNA_2026.jpg.html - this is full on and I don't feel the need to go to the same extremes/costs !

GRP doors are great on paper (the evo has them) but in reality they are a bit weedy, flap around at speed and yes you definitely want a full decent cage.

I'm thinking more about a rear cage and seats on sliders so we can all jump in and out and take turns quickly/easily enough.

so as I say, the plan is

a) strip out the interior and all seats
b) fit a pair of sparco pro2000 seats (got these in the evo, they are a nice all rounder seat)
c) thorney/alcon csl cup brakes (arriving tomorrow apparently)
d) Suspension...haven't decided yet...
e) suitable wheels/tyres, need help here on sizes/offsets, I'll probably run direzza DZ03 tyres, these have proven excellent on our other track cars.
f) bit of a buzz round replacing all bushes with uprated ones, have a look at uprated ARB and general other track prep on the drivetrain..

no immediate plans on doing anything engine wise as everyone knows the best way to reduce lap times is brakes/suspension and a bit of driver training for the hero behind the wheel ;-)

Will be an interesting project and hopefully without the massive pitfalls that the evo had.

cheers all - as I say, right now I'm especially interested in advice on suspension and wheel sizes. Don't want to go above 2.5k on the suspension...

[shimmy]

After you have stripped the interior the best weight savings if you don't want GRP/CF doors, bumpers or roof is in this order I believe on your M3

1. rims 10-12 kg
2. back box 15kg
3. battery 10-12kg
4. suspension 8kg+

If I were you I would get suspension then rims first as both have massive benefits other than weight. Light stiff rims will improve cornering and acceleration whilst suspension will pay or itself with reduced tyre wear plus other obvious grip benefits

I worked to a budget and choices were balanced between benefit:resale prices

[Dan]

The car looks superb mate, I've seen that for sale whilst browsing the classifieds and it really caught my eye! ;) :smokin:

570 miles is about the same distance for me to Scotland, whereabouts are you? (PM if you prefer :) )

[DazBlackCSL]

Would say if you know Rich at KW then your decision is made really, as he can not only sort you a deal ( save some money for other parts ) but help with set up and advise all through the project :whistle:

Clubsports are good, need to understand the differing set up , bump and rebound etc to get the best as there not combined in one adjustment like the intrax.

18' seems to be obvious choice for lots of track due to cost of rubber etc, not sure on best sizes as always run 19" on both sets with cups, but would probably go 18 if if go again with some other rims

Good luck with the project ;)

[shimmy]

Most guys on 18 inch rims for track have TD 9.0J all 4 corners although I have 9,5J Volks all round.

I think Duncan has just got his 4x TD Pro2 18x9J et 30 front and 15 rear which sounds spot on.

As for Direzzas they seem a decent choice but beware MattCSLnut uses them and his car seems to go real slowwwww!

[titan]

The car looks superb mate, I've seen that for sale whilst browsing the classifieds and it really caught my eye! ;) :smokin:

570 miles is about the same distance for me to Scotland, whereabouts are you? (PM if you prefer :) )

I live near rayleigh/southend in essex. Ah the shame ;-)

[Hazy]

weight saving....doors are a must, you wont get the weight out without changing them. I have a contact for GRP doors for 440 euro a pair! mine weight 5.5kg with all the gubbins in them.

Next, full exhaust, Geoff Steele made me a full system which weighs less than a supersprint back box.

After that glass and time with the angle grinder. When I brought my car from Curly it was around 1550kg with driver, it now weighs 1330kg with driver (Brands) but that was with 3 parts a tank of fuel coz I was getting horrendous fuel starvation coming out of clearways.

Sub 1300kg next race :thumbs:

[Hazy]

I weigh about 90kg BTW, so my car is probably 1210kg with quarter a tank of fuel :thumbs:

[titan]

Righto, wheels ordered. Didn't realise thorney did TD, they had them in stock so it seemed an easy win, coming tomorrow with the brakes.

Tyre sizes - 235 front, 265 rear ? I've seen some posts talking about 245/275, a bit much ?

[Dan]

Righto, wheels ordered. Didn't realise thorney did TD, they had them in stock so it seemed an easy win, coming tomorrow with the brakes.

Tyre sizes - 235 front, 265 rear ? I've seen some posts talking about 245/275, a bit much ?

What wheels have you ordered? On 9jx18 all round I think people are using 265's all round mate :thumbs:

[titan]

I've gone for the team-dynamics 9x18. My brother put a set of these (albeit smaller!) on his MX5 and they just strike me as a cheap but-all-you-need wheel for trackdays.

I believe the "trick" is to use a 10mm spacer at the rear.

Not sure what tyres to go for - my favourite tyre is the DZ03 but mrtyre are only listing 235 and 265 profiles. Might be easier to go for 265 all round right enough, then front/rear swaps are possible.

I know a man who races in the csl cup, I think I'll give him a quick call :)

Lee.

[shimmy]

Def 265 all round, don't fit 235 on 9 inch rims

No point in getting square set up and run narrow front Tyres.

[titan]

Def 265 all round, don't fit 235 on 9 inch rims

No point in getting square set up and run narrow front Tyres.

Having spoken to someone far more in the know, he's suggesting 255's all round, believes there might be rubbing issues with 265's...

I thought I was done with DIY R&D, finding out the hard way !

[shimmy]

Having spoken to someone far more in the know, he's suggesting 255's all round, believes there might be rubbing issues with 265's...

I thought I was done with DIY R&D, finding out the hard way !

Depends on the offsets but if you know someone in the know and you can get 255 Tyres for track then I'll wish you well :)

[_Nathan_]

Depending on wheel offset you may fund more rubbing with 255s up front, certainly the case on some setups looking at the m3forum guys in the US.

Standard M3 size is 255/40/18, I'd consider using 265/35/18 which has a smaller diameter:

661mm v 643mm

I use 250/640r18 slicks all round on 10" wheels and zero rubbing, I believe Shimmy is using a 265 all round but with funcky offsets on 9.5", Matt on here is running the Dunlops and again I believe 265 all round on 9" wheels?

[titan]

Depending on wheel offset you may fund more rubbing with 255s up front, certainly the case on some setups looking at the m3forum guys in the US.

Standard M3 size is 255/40/18, I'd consider using 265/35/18 which has a smaller diameter:

661mm v 643mm

I use 250/640r18 slicks all round on 10" wheels and zero rubbing, I believe Shimmy is using a 265 all round but with funcky offsets on 9.5", Matt on here is running the Dunlops and again I believe 265 all round on 9" wheels?

Interesting..Std fronts are 225/45/18 and rears 255/40/18 I believe. Thats 660mm / 661mm which agrees with your maths above and yep a 265/35 is indeed 643mm.

For a 265/35/18 DZ03G, it reckons the optimum wheel width is a 9.5".

The 255/40/18 DZ03G reckons optimal width of 9". Thats back to a 661mm diameter.

So ironically it would appear that an over-wide tyre (albeit not much) could well be a better fit.

Choices choices eh :-)

[titan]

just using blackcircles as a guide, a 265/35/18 ranges from £81 (Federal) to £110 (Kumho), £172 (Yoko Advans) to £262 (PS2). I would expect a DZ03G to be somewhere in the region of £180.

255/40/18 seems to be more expensive still, probably cos there's not much in that range.

annoying things tyres. They're the only things keeping you in touch with the ground so not to be skimped on, but by the same token the guy running A048's all round doesn't smile much ;-)

[shimmy]

They're the only things keeping you in touch with the ground so not to be skimped on, but by the same token the guy running A048's all round doesn't smile much ;-)


things of beauty!

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/TyresforSale010.jpg

[cantfind1]

Sounds Like you are doing the exact same project as mine mate!!

Have stripped my M3, Sparco pro2000 seats on sparco sliders and mounts fit perfect.

Rear cage from custom cages with subframe strengthening from the cage and CSL carbon roof fitted by Simpson.

Battery ditched for Braille item.

I use TD 18x9 et30 all round then run 15mm spacers at the rear. tyres are 265 all round as well. No rubbing issues. Turn in is amazing. Am using the Kumho ecsta v70a they are brilliant tyres. Saves on tyre wear as you can put them front and rear!

Have AP brakes all round. Pagid RS29 pads.(yellow)

Suspension is Intrax 4 way, bought secondhand for a good price. I have used KW v3, Bilstein PSS10, HSD's, and now intrax. I can honestly say the Intrax are by far the better suspension, night and day. If i were you i would get some Intrax 1K2's secondhand, have seen a few for sale recently on here and ebay. You cannot go wrong with them. Talk to Simpson Motorsport if in any doubt.

CSL trailing arm bushes with Turner motorsport limiter kit

Turner motorsport ARB's front and rear body roll is greatly reduced. suspension helps with this also obviously.

Carbon CSL bootlid, Carbon GTR bonnet.

CSL intake, alpha-n mapping, schrick 288/280 cams, ARP Head and Conrod bolts, Full Supersprint exhaust with stepped headers.

Car is a monster!

[mattCSLnut]

just using blackcircles as a guide, a 265/35/18 ranges from £81 (Federal) to £110 (Kumho), £172 (Yoko Advans) to £262 (PS2). I would expect a DZ03G to be somewhere in the region of £180.

255/40/18 seems to be more expensive still, probably cos there's not much in that range.

annoying things tyres. They're the only things keeping you in touch with the ground so not to be skimped on, but by the same token the guy running A048's all round doesn't smile much ;-)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I think you'll find that Dunlop DZ03g in 265 35 18 are price fixed :whistle: through out the UK @ £275 + VAT !!! each :119:
I was @ Brands CSL Cup race last weekend and I asked the Dunlop guys if they were doing any special deals on these, during the weekend... guess what price they came back to me with .... :whistle:
If U can get them for £180 each let me know, I'll have 10 at that price :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Matt on here is running the Dunlops and again I believe 265 all round on 9" wheels?

Yep... you're absolutely right Sir :beer: I run the DZ02g, a predecessor to the DZ03g in 265 35 18 all round on the standard E46 M3 18" 9J rear wheels all round without any rubbing issues what so ever. 12 mm H&R spacer on the rear to fill the rear arches ;) :thumbs:
DUNLOP DZs are my favourite TD tyres by a country mile :thumbs: The only problem is the price which seems to have been "FIXED" throughout the UK. No matter who you call it's always in the region of £275 +VAT each :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I'm holding out for a good deal on these at the moment as my DZ02s are near slicks now :bigcry:
Obligatory pix below, second one showing my steed being chucked into the "Little Karussell" after Schwalbenschwanz @ the Ring without any rubbing issues :supz:

[mattCSLnut]

things of beauty!

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/TyresforSale010.jpg

Indeed they are Shimmy :smt055... real shame the 265/35/18s are no longer available :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

[shimmy]

Not correct according to current info.

Stock issues on all Cups this year but have the Michelin Sales Director confirmation they will/are still be made

[mattCSLnut]

Not correct according to current info.

Stock issues on all Cups this year but have the Michelin Sales Director confirmation they will/are still be made

Sounds like Good News... so what's the ETA on these ??? let me know before I go and brake the bank by buying the Dunlops :bigcry:

[glendog74]

Sounds like Good News... so what's the ETA on these ??? let me know before I go and brake the bank by buying the Dunlops :bigcry:

Ahh, so you recognise that Cups are the 'daddy' at long last :hahaha:

[AlexGTT]

Couldn't resist a little picture whoring there Matt. :whistle::thumbs:;)

Shimmy, stop picture whoring the Cup twin towers. It makes me want to spend far too much money!:smt055

[AlexGTT]

Ahh, so you recognise that Cups are the 'daddy' at long last :hahaha:

He didn't actually say it though did he Rob.:hahaha: More therapy still required.;)

[glendog74]

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

Ahh, so you recognise that Cups are the 'daddy' at long last :hahaha:
Nearly bought a set of 18" through Shimmy's contact (money in hand ready to be spent) but they were completely out of stock :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:
Something to do with a certain CSL owner buying one too many sets :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Couldn't resist a little picture whoring there Matt. :whistle::thumbs:;)


I'm afraid not mate ;) :hahaha:

[titan]

Ding Ding, times two please :-)

Can't remember if I mentioned but I have Pro2000 in the evo and was going to do the same again. Harnesses - I have Scroth Enduro harness in the evo which are fantastic. Just shot up in price, shame cos they are miles easier to adjust...

I won't bother with a carbon roof, as I've no sunroof the weight saving is minimal, probably < 5Kg.

Brakes turned up today, alcon kit 365 front, 343 rear.

I'm probably not going to do anything engine wise but if I ever did, yours sounds the same route I'd take. A light touch ;-)

yes, certainly sounds like two identical cars !


Sounds Like you are doing the exact same project as mine mate!!

Have stripped my M3, Sparco pro2000 seats on sparco sliders and mounts fit perfect.

Rear cage from custom cages with subframe strengthening from the cage and CSL carbon roof fitted by Simpson.

Battery ditched for Braille item.

I use TD 18x9 et30 all round then run 15mm spacers at the rear. tyres are 265 all round as well. No rubbing issues. Turn in is amazing. Am using the Kumho ecsta v70a they are brilliant tyres. Saves on tyre wear as you can put them front and rear!

Have AP brakes all round. Pagid RS29 pads.(yellow)

Suspension is Intrax 4 way, bought secondhand for a good price. I have used KW v3, Bilstein PSS10, HSD's, and now intrax. I can honestly say the Intrax are by far the better suspension, night and day. If i were you i would get some Intrax 1K2's secondhand, have seen a few for sale recently on here and ebay. You cannot go wrong with them. Talk to Simpson Motorsport if in any doubt.

CSL trailing arm bushes with Turner motorsport limiter kit

Turner motorsport ARB's front and rear body roll is greatly reduced. suspension helps with this also obviously.

Carbon CSL bootlid, Carbon GTR bonnet.

CSL intake, alpha-n mapping, schrick 288/280 cams, ARP Head and Conrod bolts, Full Supersprint exhaust with stepped headers.

Car is a monster!

[Dan]

Lee, is it the Yellow 'CSL Cup' brakes you've bought from Thorney? :smokin: :thumbs:

[titan]

Oh I just picked up 4 x DZ03G in 265/35/18 for £169 a corner.





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:bigcry: no, sadly not. They are indeed £275. FFS thats ridiculous.

The evo takes a 285/30/18 which are £190 a corner. Right enough, even back in August 2009 I saw a price of £260 for the 265/30/18. Fcuk knows why you have to pay through the nose for less rubber, but there you go.

I'm doing this project to really learn the art of RWD and it can be argued that sticky tyres aren't the way to do that. Putting pricey rubber aside, it boils down to a choice of:

Federal SS-595 £81
Kumho KU31 £110
Falken FK-452 £115
Hankooks £134

hmmmmm

[titan]

Lee, is it the Yellow 'CSL Cup' brakes you've bought from Thorney? :smokin: :thumbs:

Yes, but don't believe the yellow. I know a man at alcon who pulled the engineering sheets, its the exact same kit that alcon sell under their brand. Same kit as on the front of my evo. I nabbed it from Thorney because you can't argue with someone who has them on the shelf ready to ship (minus some hoses which took 2 weeks too long to come in)

So currently the car is on track (no pun intended) to look exactly like this one:

[/URL][URL="http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/products/images/DSC01060%20%5bDesktop%20Resolution%5d.JPG"]http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/products/images/DSC01060%20[Desktop%20Resolution].JPG (http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/products/images/DSC01060%20%5bDesktop%20Resolution%5d.JPG)

although I have some ideas on the colour....

[mattCSLnut]

Oh I just picked up 4 x DZ03G in 265/35/18 for £169 a corner.

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:bigcry: no, sadly not. They are indeed £275. FFS thats ridiculous.

The evo takes a 285/30/18 which are £190 a corner. Right enough, even back in August 2009 I saw a price of £260 for the 265/30/18. Fcuk knows why you have to pay through the nose for less rubber, but there you go.

I'm doing this project to really learn the art of RWD and it can be argued that sticky tyres aren't the way to do that. Putting pricey rubber aside, it boils down to a choice of:

Federal SS-595 £81
Kumho KU31 £110
Falken FK-452 £115
Hankooks £134

hmmmmm

Arrrr U bugger ;) :hahaha: You nearly had me going for my wallet :hahaha:
:hahaha: :hahaha: Have U tried camskills for Track rubber ???
I hear good things about KUMHO V70A and they are under 200 squid a corner :thumbs: (used to be £180 each )
Linky here: http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m12b0s670p1899

[Dan]

Yes, but don't believe the yellow. I know a man at alcon who pulled the engineering sheets, its the exact same kit that alcon sell under their brand. Same kit as on the front of my evo. I nabbed it from Thorney because you can't argue with someone who has them on the shelf ready to ship (minus some hoses which took 2 weeks too long to come in)

So currently the car is on track (no pun intended) to look exactly like this one:

http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/products/images/DSC01060%20[Desktop%20Resolution].JPG (http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/products/images/DSC01060%20%5bDesktop%20Resolution%5d.JPG)

although I have some ideas on the colour....

Yeah I was aware they are the same kit as Alcon's sell, they are also on EARS Motorsport for sale... ;)

I personaly LOVE the look of the Yellow Calipers againt CSL SG paintwork :smokin:

[daniel]

Federa 595RS in 265/35/18 was sub £140 a corner when I bought them. Worth a look Matt. I took a friend of yours out 2 weeks ago as he was interested in their performance so perhaps he can give you a first hand comparison as I assume he has also passengered in your car.

[mattCSLnut]

Federa 595RS in 265/35/18 was sub £140 a corner when I bought them. Worth a look Matt. I took a friend of yours out 2 weeks ago as he was interested in their performance so perhaps he can give you a first hand comparison as I assume he has also passengered in your car.


Once you've used Dunlops / Mich. Cups it's difficult to go backwards mate ;)
@ £140 they sound too cheep to me and U know what they say about " You get what you pay for " :whistle:
KUMHO V70A is a superior tyre to the Federa 595RS and for a fraction more. No brainer :beer:

[titan]

Well, the brakes are on :-)

Todays challenge was to find some 265/35/18s in stock, cos we leave for the 'ring at 1AM....

on a sameday basis beggars cant be choosers, so discounting the tyres-of-inappropriateness (Mich PS2s, Conti Sports etc) it boiled down to

Federal 595
Hankook K110

The tread pattern looks lovely on the 595, looks like a right cheapo trackday dry tyre. However they are only 93W rated, so common sense prevailed and I went for the Hankooks with 97Y. Heavy car (currently) with big stoppers, so makes sense I guess.

Nothing like buying a car and rushing it into "ring ready" spec :-)

[Dan]

Fook me that was quick getting the brakes fitted up Lee! Got any pics!? :smokin:

I can't wait for you to report back and confirm how they perform! ;)

[glendog74]

Standard 19" Cup tyres are only 87/89 load ratings iirc

[titan]

I'm afraid I'm no over-enthusiastic journalist, the brakes are.....good.

http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/729-1/003-16.jpg

http://www.projectevo.co.uk/gallery2/d/702-1/005.JPG

Had a good chat with simpsons today, decided on the 1k2 intrax after all that :)

[Dan]

Did you! Lol ££££ Compared to the Clubsport's though....

I was hoping you'd say the brakes are a little better than 'good'! :hahaha: The wheels on your M3 look mint! :smokin:

[titan]

Yep, the previous owner had them fully refurbed (£400!) in July. They are indeed mint. Not on the car now... ;-)

Which reminds me - you guys that run 9x18 all round. Blimey the fronts stick out !!

At the moment I have no spacers on the rear, couldn't source them locally so I'll try in Germany. Looks a bit odd cos the fronts stick out, but the rears are tucked up inside.

Leaving at 1AM for the chunnel !

[Dan]

Best of luck mate ;)

[uncle benz]

I recognise that disgraceful workshop floor.

[shimmy]

I recognise that disgraceful workshop floor.

not surprised you could only get the disc and calliper in there though!:hahaha:



Having spoken to someone far more in the know, !


dont tell me UB is the expert you are on about, Gareth bought a CS:smokin:

[uncle benz]

I'm not "the one in the know". I am simply the guy that can, very late, despite workload, squeeze in one extra little job...

I chose a small workshop purely so you couldn't get yr ego through the doorway ;)

How's the racin' going??

[shimmy]

How's the racin' going??


Step One - fitted a towbar to the SMax (well doing it this weekend!)

Not very far im afraid!:bigcry:

[DuncanR]

I think Duncan has just got his 4x TD Pro2 18x9J et 30 front and 15 rear which sounds spot on.


All 4 wheels are ET30 mate

[shimmy]

All 4 wheels are ET30 mate

With 15mm spacer on rear?

[shimmy]

Dunc

Can you get one weighed for me?

Actual weigh no tyre please and make sure it's true weight not Nathan weight!!!

[DuncanR]

With 15mm spacer on rear?
Yes mate ... which I need to check as I bought em off Lawsy and then he bought 'em back again!! :banghead:

[DuncanR]

Dunc

Can you get one weighed for me?

Actual weigh no tyre please and make sure it's true weight not Nathan weight!!!

Ok will do mate..... but postage will be a bomb !

[_Nathan_]

Dunc

Can you get one weighed for me?

Actual weigh no tyre please and make sure it's true weight not Nathan weight!!!

Not my fault if the brummies are slightly optimistic ;)

Rest of mine arrived now, 18x10 et25 in SnoopDog red.

[shimmy]

Not my fault if the brummies are slightly optimistic ;)

Rest of mine arrived now, 18x10 et25 in SnoopDog red.

quoting 8.2kg and delivered by crane :thumbs:

that red is gorgeiiiious :smt055 i think its the colour Glendog meant to paint his wheels!

[glendog74]

quoting 8.2kg and delivered by crane :thumbs:

that red is gorgeiiiious :smt055 i think its the colour Glendog meant to paint his wheels!

I asked for pink but the paint shop did Ferrari red - not happy! :banghead:

[shimmy]

I asked for pink but the paint shop did Mykonos red - not happy! :banghead:


EFA:bigcry:

[glendog74]

Is that like a 'Brighton' red? :hahaha:

[shimmy]

Is that like a 'Brighton' red? :hahaha:


yep, or Liverpool Red :thumbs: