Headgasket gone?

[mole]

Dropped the CSL in to Technosport last week on the way to the airport and asked for a Spec I and to check out that dodgy noise I have...

Leak down test showing loss of pressure Cyl4 in to Cyl3 - so probable HG failure - but investigation continues!

Doh!

Off for a beer and a kebab (in Turkey) :beer:

[shimmy]

Dropped the CSL in to Technosport last week on the way to the airport and asked for a Spec I and to check out that dodgy noise I have...

Leak down test showing loss of pressure Cyl4 in to Cyl3 - so probable HG failure - but investigation continues!

Doh!

Off for a beer and a kebab (in Turkey) :beer:

Will be a very common S54 factor for cars being' tracked.

Mine and Duncans both done last twelve months about 60k+ miles, just wear and tear after all that heat and combustion

find my old thread Mole and take a look at my recommendations whilst it is in fir the work. I changed plugs, coilpacks, water pump, cleaned rads inside and out, thermostat, belts.

If you have warranty get them to do it.

[sailorbaz]

Can't you get a stronger Gasket too? Just a thought, maybe some kind of racing type one?

Here's Shimmy's thread starting from Page 3 (http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2685&highlight=gasket&page=3)

[DuncanR]

Mine and Duncans both done last twelve months about 60k+ miles, just wear and tear after all that heat and combustion

find my old thread Mole and take a look at my recommendations whilst it is in fir the work. I changed plugs, coilpacks, water pump, cleaned rads inside and out, thermostat, belts.

If you have warranty get them to do it.

Yeah , and about 2 months later the fookin engine will blow !:thumbs::hahaha:

[glendog74]

Yeah , and about 2 months later the fookin engine will blow !:thumbs::hahaha:

Blimey - full of optimism as always eh DuNCan? :bigcry: :hahaha:

[mole]

Cheers will check your thread when I get home shimmy, thanks for the link SB.

[Bealo]

Let us know how you get on.

Starting to think that paying the £2k + for another years warranty was a good idea :thumbs:

[Bounce]

Hope you get it sorted ok Rich.;)

[shane@mbtech]

Let us know how you get on.

Starting to think that paying the £2k + for another years warranty was a good idea :thumbs:


Fuck me stu, how much, my renewal is only £970 approx.

Take it yours is 60k+?

[Bounce]

Fuck me stu, how much, my renewal is only £970 approx.

Take it yours is 60k+?I thought it was around £1500 after 60k, which is enough.:bigcry::bigcry:unless Stu's was over 60k and lapsed.Can anyone post up BMW warranty prices;)

[mole]

Quick update, confirmed blown HG between numerous cyls. with signs of det :bigcry:

[mole]

1 more

[shimmy]

is the head cracked or still ok?

[mattCSLnut]

Bugger mate :( That's not looking too healthy :smt087
What were the tale tale signs ?
Mine's done a few more miles then yours but the HD is one thing that's not been changed :crybaby: as yet :bigcry:
I hope U have BMW Warranty solutions :beer:

[shane@mbtech]

Was it mapped. if so who by?

[mole]

Shimmy - head is going to be checked for cracks so will let you know. (Now we know what that noise was I moaning about at Snet :hahaha:)

Matt - no warranty solutions :bigcry:but I do have the last 3 years worth of warranty £££ in a savings account...

lawsy - yes, see PM :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Matt - no warranty solutions :bigcry:but I do have the last 3 years worth of warranty £££ in a savings account...


Lets hope U don't have to spend it all at once :smt087 :smt022 :bigcry:

[mole]

Lets hope U don't have to spend it all at once :smt087 :smt022 :bigcry:

Hopefully not :bigcry::smt022

[alexk]

I hope the car will be back on the road soon.

[mattCSLnut]

I hope the car will be back on the road soon.

+1 :thumbs: ... followed by a cheeky Ring trip to bed-in the new components :thumbs: DuncanR style :whistle:

[Bealo]

Sorry to hear this Bud. Hope it's not to expensive solutions to fix.

Keep us updated :thumbs:

[Yanto]

Sorry to hear about this dude - hope it gets done for reasonable $$

[azrael]

'oly shite, hopefully cheaper than BMW

[TMAQ]

... she will come back stronger :snakeman:

[jibm]

time to slip in some cams while the heads off:whistle:

[DuncanR]

(Now we know what that noise was I moaning about at Snet :hahaha:)

Dont ask me for your money back Rich ...i spent it !! Hope it gets sorted asap and not too expensive mate, I was quoted between £1,670 and £700 to get mine done, then I twigged it could be done under warranteee !

[mole]

time to slip in some cams while the heads off:whistle:

Tempted - anybody here done 'em? :whistle:

[mole]

Dont ask me for your money back Rich ...i spent it !! Hope it gets sorted asap and not too expensive mate, I was quoted between £1,670 and £700 to get mine done, then I twigged it could be done under warranteee !

That's a massive price difference, hopefully more towards the lower end :hahaha:

[DuncanR]

That's a massive price difference, hopefully more towards the lower end :hahaha:

The fear of upsetting anyone on here precludes me from giving any names away,everyone sees the job as they see it and quotes accordingly, but i take your point, Murketts quoted me £1,153 + vodka and tonic, that included Anti-freeze,Cyl head gasket and head bolts.

[shimmy]

The fear of upsetting anyone on here precludes me from giving any names away,everyone sees the job as they see it and quotes accordingly, but i take your point, Murketts quoted me £1,153 + vodka and tonic, that included Anti-freeze,Cyl head gasket and head bolts.

thats a good price for bmw

Simpsons did mine and i sepnt around £2k but the HG part cost me about £1k as i did loads of other bits at the same time.

YOur price will depend quite heavily on the damage to the head and valves obviously

[mole]

thats a good price for bmw

Simpsons did mine and i sepnt around £2k but the HG part cost me about £1k as i did loads of other bits at the same time.

YOur price will depend quite heavily on the damage to the head and valves obviously

Just back from going to see my car/George at Technosport....

Turns out the HG had gone between cyls 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5 - only 5-6 still remaining!! Suprised it ran as well as it did to be honest.

There were some marks in a couple of the cylinders but he says it will be fine as they are above the rings.

There is what looks like a hairline crack in one of the cylinders in the head so head being crack tested and if required laser welded.

At this stage there are a few options including port/polish head, camshafts, ARP Head Stud kit.... all of which I am undecided about.

Then it's time to put it all back together again :thumbs:

Also things that Shim mentioned to think about whilst car is in bits!

George had a look at the map that I have on the car... he said that it's been hardly touched and isn't suprised I never really felt a difference, but all looks safe and wouldn't have caused the failure I have seen.

http://newimages.fotopic.net/?iid=13s5wd&outx=800&quality=70

[Dan]

Bloody hell mate, well and truely gone! :banghead:

I've not looked at the whole thread but who did your map you had on the car?

[glendog74]

Hope she gets better soon Rich :smt056

[s.mac]

same here Rich :sad:

[bromers]

My motor is looking the same except I think I need a new cylinder head ... are they possible to be 'relined' ?

Is the std M3 head the same as the CSL - looking at 2nd options ?

[mole]

Cheers guys :thumbs:

Bromers as far as I know the heads are the same, but cams and exhaust valves differ... can anyone confirm that's correct?

[shane@mbtech]

Out of interest what coolant temps did you see on track?

[mole]

Out of interest what coolant temps did you see on track?

Didn't notice it running much hotter than normal to be honest :whistle:Oil temp at last trackday did seem to be a bit high and stayed hot for longer than normal though.

[shane@mbtech]

Didn't notice it running much hotter than normal to be honest :whistle:Oil temp at last trackday did seem to be a bit high and stayed hot for longer than normal though.

What was normal for you?
12 o clock, 2 o clock etc?

[alexk]

Cheers guys :thumbs:

Bromers as far as I know the heads are the same, but cams and exhaust valves differ... can anyone confirm that's correct?

Cylinderhead is the same.

[_Nathan_]

You boys need data loggers to get exact temps rather than just damped gauge position ;)

Shane - for info the logs on my car show max water temp of 102 when oil was 152 C. Additional coolers now fitted but thought the ratio of oil to water temps may be interesting given what is being seen by others?

[shane@mbtech]

You boys need data loggers to get exact temps rather than just damped gauge position ;)

Shane - for info the logs on my car show max water temp of 102 when oil was 152 C. Additional coolers now fitted but thought the ratio of oil to water temps may be interesting given what is being seen by others?


Nathan are you in the office tomorrow?
Think I'm going to order the v box, ill give a call tomorrow. PM best number to get you on and best price. :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

I'm not but Manny is. PM me to let me know exactly what you want and I'll let you know price, have got stock on the shelf.

[mole]

Finally got it back last week :thumbs:Needed a fair bit of head work but it's driving really well at the moment and feels really strong :thumbs:

I'm back boys!!! :smt055

[mattCSLnut]

Finally got it back last week :thumbs:Needed a fair bit of head work but it's driving really well at the moment and feels really strong :thumbs:

I'm back boys!!! :smt055


Welcome back... just in time for Brands TD on the 19th :whistle:

[glendog74]

Nice one Rich - glad you have her back! :thumbs:

P.S. Any mild tweakings taken place? :whistle:

[mole]

Welcome back... just in time for Brands TD on the 19th :whistle:

Yup :thumbs:Looking forward to it.

Nice one Rich - glad you have her back! :thumbs:

P.S. Any mild tweakings taken place? :whistle:

Nope back together as standard with the exception of a ARP head stud kit...

[s.mac]

Glad its all sorted mate :thumbs:

great feeling to jump back in after not driving it for a while, big smile factor even better if you have a track day planned :supz:

[NZ_M3]

Another possible cause of this (just theorising here given that I had this failure recently without ANY warnings whatsoever) - faulty O2.

I had a faulty before cat O2 in bank 2 recently and this didn't throw any warning lights at all - the only reason I knew it was faulting was because I pretty much scan my car with my clone GT1 every week :whistle: and my Autoenginuity every other week.

Believe it or not the Autoenginuity picked the fault up first (no dash warning and no drivability issues, no missfire, nothing, it was perfect) - Autoenginuity showed it faulted 156 times and I turned on the datalog function on the autoenginuity and went out for a drive - the data record was more than obvious what was going on - and from what I can make out from the data feedback was it would have been running rather lean whenever thorttle load was over 50%.

Glad I caught this early and certainly very surprised that the knock sensors nor any engine warning lights showed up. What was even more surprising was the fact that the GT1 only showed this faulting twice, but came straight back when the codes were cleared.

Had the O2 replaced straight away and all is now good.

Moral of the story - scan your cars on a regular basis.

[RolyGTIR]

Glad you've got her back in one piece :thumbs: (not too painful I hope!)

[Bounce]

Nice one Rich,glad you got it back ok.:thumbs:

[s.mac]

Another possible cause of this (just theorising here given that I had this failure recently without ANY warnings whatsoever) - faulty O2.

I had a faulty before cat O2 in bank 2 recently and this didn't throw any warning lights at all - the only reason I knew it was faulting was because I pretty much scan my car with my clone GT1 every week :whistle: and my Autoenginuity every other week.

Believe it or not the Autoenginuity picked the fault up first (no dash warning and no drivability issues, no missfire, nothing, it was perfect) - Autoenginuity showed it faulted 156 times and I turned on the datalog function on the autoenginuity and went out for a drive - the data record was more than obvious what was going on - and from what I can make out from the data feedback was it would have been running rather lean whenever thorttle load was over 50%.

Glad I caught this early and certainly very surprised that the knock sensors nor any engine warning lights showed up. What was even more surprising was the fact that the GT1 only showed this faulting twice, but came straight back when the codes were cleared.

Had the O2 replaced straight away and all is now good.

Moral of the story - scan your cars on a regular basis.


sounds like some kit you have there Tom

I would imagine there wont be many on here with kit like that :)