Suspension setup

[derek]

Hi,
I recently bought kw clubsport for my car and plan to fit in next few weeks. I'm looking for recommendations for geometry ride height and suspension setup. The car will be used on the road and track hoping that I can get the best on road and track with the adjustment available.
Thanks Derek

[karbonkid]

I take it no one runs KW's anymore? They've all moved on to big boy ones now! :hahaha:

Come on guys!!? ... I know hes a black one but..... :whistle:

[shimmy]

derek
does the clubsport come with adjustable top mounts?

[derek]

derek
does the clubsport come with adjustable top mounts?

Hi shimmy it comes with adjustable top mounts was originally going to put only the mounts on but as it would need to be setup again decided to replace the suspension

[karbonkid]

Who you planning to use to install and Geo Derek? Any BMW specialist should be able to advise you on optimum set up & ride height for road/ track.
Ride height can be down to choice, some keeping OEM height, but IMO recommend dropping a little, at least 20mm. What are the spring rates with the kit?

[shane@mbtech]

Im running the clubsport Derek, as are Rob, and Daz.

My settings are -3.5 front camber. slight toe out front
-2.5 rear camber. v slight toe in rear.

I dont use mine much on road, so calm the camber down for your settings and more neutral toe settings.

Whoever you get to do it, use the outer camber settings on the turrets for -2.5* and neutral toe. Then when you get to track slacken the 13mm on the turrets off, then push your shock fully in, hey presto -3.5* for track, and gives toe out too. When finished on track repeat above but opposite way back to road settings.

But whoever you choose to set up should really know this:thumbs:

[shimmy]

Derek

happy for you to have copy if my geo settings Inc ride height

I run -2 road and -3 track front camber mainly because I found any more does get hard on road tyre wear

PM me if you want it!

[glendog74]

Hi Derek,

I missed this one!

The KW CS kit should come with instructions in the box - albeit potentially in German... :bigcry: The figures should be easy to pick out though.

I or Dazza can obtain the E46 M3 recommended settings from KW UK if you need them?

Rob

[shane@mbtech]

Derek

happy for you to have copy if my geo settings Inc ride height

I run -2 road and -3 track front camber mainly because I found any more does get hard on road tyre wear

PM me if you want it!


PM away to me shimmy, I want to sample different ride heights:thumbs:

[derek]

Im running the clubsport Derek, as are Rob, and Daz.

My settings are -3.5 front camber. slight toe out front
-2.5 rear camber. v slight toe in rear.

I dont use mine much on road, so calm the camber down for your settings and more neutral toe settings.

Whoever you get to do it, use the outer camber settings on the turrets for -2.5* and neutral toe. Then when you get to track slacken the 13mm on the turrets off, then push your shock fully in, hey presto -3.5* for track, and gives toe out too. When finished on track repeat above but opposite way back to road settings.

But whoever you choose to set up should really know this:thumbs:

Thanks for everyones help, all advice appreciated. Shane ewhen you say a littel toe in /out how much do you mean.

[shane@mbtech]

Thanks for everyones help, all advice appreciated. Shane ewhen you say a littel toe in /out how much do you mean.

Ill dig my sheet out and check for you Derek. Cant remember what I asked for.

[Hazy]

Im running the clubsport Derek, as are Rob, and Daz.

My settings are -3.5 front camber. slight toe out front
-2.5 rear camber. v slight toe in rear.

I dont use mine much on road, so calm the camber down for your settings and more neutral toe settings.

Whoever you get to do it, use the outer camber settings on the turrets for -2.5* and neutral toe. Then when you get to track slacken the 13mm on the turrets off, then push your shock fully in, hey presto -3.5* for track, and gives toe out too. When finished on track repeat above but opposite way back to road settings.

But whoever you choose to set up should really know this:thumbs:

Shane, I obviously missed summat, I thought you had sold your Cocaine CSL bud?

[DuncanR]

Shane ewhen you say a littel toe in /out how much do you mean.

Probably about this much !

[TANKSLAPPER]

Derek, Don't listen to all the above, they don't know what they are talking about lol :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: I taught them all they know lol :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Sorry I don't know either. lol

Here my pennies worth

Start point :- 1.5 rear & 2.5 front camber the ride height must be at least 330mm from centre of wheel to top of arch otherwise the tyre will hit the plastic liner within the wheel arch. The rear to be the same height or 5 -10mm higher than the front.

The setting they put on the KW instructions are for very smooth Germany roads & track they are shit for our roads so go softer than KW state with slight stiffer rebound setting than the bump. otherwise you will loose traction skip across bumps and pole holes and get understeer.

Any way enjoy :thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

I recommend you ignore any recommendations, what Duncan mite offer. :blalalala:

[DuncanR]

Found this in my box of tricks ! OEM setup, dont know if its the latest though .:thumbs:

[derek]

Probably about this much !

You need a bit more toe in Dunc and this wouldn't happen:hahaha:

[DuncanR]

These are my very secret Intrax settings ! With corner weighting !! :thumbs:... these settings are the secret to my incredible lap times !!
Spa 3:05 - damp,... but the track was dry !! :hahaha:, the Ring ? start Monday am , finish Tuesday pm ! :hahaha:

[TANKSLAPPER]

I recommend you ignore any recommendations, what Duncan mite offer. :blalalala:


Like I said :smt055

[DuncanR]

Like I said :smt055

i WANT mE FOOKIN TYRES BACK !! ...BOLOX CAPS YET A FOOKIN GIN !:banghead:

[Paul_D]

Ill dig my sheet out and check for you Derek. Cant remember what I asked for.

I'm having an alignment done next Saturday so I'm also interested in this.

I was thinking about 0°10' total toe out on the front, and 0°20' total toe in on the rear.

Does the front setting sound about right, or is it too much? (I know you can get problems on the road if you run too much)

[daniel]

When you say stiffer rebound do you mean adding more control? Ie make the spring extend slower (anti clockwise on the KW)?

Thanks

Derek, Don't listen to all the above, they don't know what they are talking about lol :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: I taught them all they know lol :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Sorry I don't know either. lol

Here my pennies worth

Start point :- 1.5 rear & 2.5 front camber the ride height must be at least 330mm from centre of wheel to top of arch otherwise the tyre will hit the plastic liner within the wheel arch. The rear to be the same height or 5 -10mm higher than the front.

The setting they put on the KW instructions are for very smooth Germany roads & track they are shit for our roads so go softer than KW state with slight stiffer rebound setting than the bump. otherwise you will loose traction skip across bumps and pole holes and get understeer.

Any way enjoy :thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

Soft rebound provides a comfortable ride at low speeds it will have less stability at high speeds ie 100mph +

anti clockwise = softer.

The rebound is easy to adjust as it it the top adjustment position on the KW's

[TANKSLAPPER]

CORRECTION, Sorry I mean slightly softer than the bump setting


;)

[DuncanR]

CORRECTION, Sorry I mean slightly softer than the bump setting


;)

No no no mate.,... surely you mean bumpier than the soft setting ?? :birdman:

so ... are we looking for harder soft rebound ...or softer hard rebound ... or is there just rebound and then soft or hard compression ??? :banghead::banghead:

PS Missus wants to take the early morning ferry on Friday, so catch up with you at the Ring probably mate, will drop my crap off at Ericas and then get on it with you ! ....
PPS I will get on at Breidscheid .... just in case !!! ha ha !!

[shimmy]

if you want to borrow my seat just pop buy!

[DuncanR]

if you want to borrow my seat just pop buy!

You bought a SEAT mate ?? :hahaha:

[shimmy]

You bought a SEAT mate ?? :hahaha:


apparently more reliable than the old bmws :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

if you want to borrow my seat just pop buy!

i HAVE SWAPPED MINE OVER NOW, SO i CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IM PULLING OUT IN FRONT OF IN THE uk !! BALLS CAPS

[Bounce]

i HAVE SWAPPED MINE OVER NOW, SO i CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IM PULLING OUT IN FRONT OF IN THE uk !! BALLS CAPS:hahaha::hahaha::thumbs::thumbs:Evan the German guy on guard duty at the Ring warned you about that seat.