Corner Weighting?

[cantfind1]

Hey Guys, just wanted to check if any one has any recommendations on where to go. Simpsons is a bit far for me, am in Twickenham London.

Any help greatly appreciated!

[glendog74]

Simpsons!

I go there and i live near Land's End...

[daniel]

www.bmworx.com (http://www.bmworx.com) -> speak to Russ. :thumbs:

[Thorney]

If it's a road car then save your money, waste of time.

[DuncanR]

I have been thinking abouit getting this done myself, along with a full Geo, and Dyno on what is a new engine, unless of course you guys reckon on waiting until its loosed up a bit more, 2100 miles done on it now :thumbs:.
Has anyone had experience of these people before, they are very local to me.

http://www.northamptonmotorsport.com/default.asp?id=20

[DazBlackCSL]

I have been thinking abouit getting this done myself, along with a full Geo, and Dyno on what is a new engine, unless of course you guys reckon on waiting until its loosed up a bit more, 2100 miles done on it now :thumbs:.
Has anyone had experience of these people before, they are very local to me.

http://www.northamptonmotorsport.com/default.asp?id=20

I reckon you could sort something yourself dunc at your place... couple of stools some wires and scales and bags of sand and fork lift ... sorted ..:whistle:

[cantfind1]

If it's a road car then save your money, waste of time.

It's a track car, and no offence if you fit coilovers and dont set them up correctly even if it's a road car you are not getting the full benefit! It will most likely drive horribly compared to when it's set up!

Simpson's to far just to do corner weighting, John is obviously not interested so will ring the guys at Northampton still pretty far but worth talking to.

Might also try a place called horsham developments.
BMworx.com is that bexley motorworks link does not work?

Cheers guys.

[Dan]

It's a track car, and no offence if you fit coilovers and dont set them up correctly even if it's a road car you are not getting the full benefit! It will most likely drive horribly compared to when it's set up!

Simpson's to far just to do corner weighting, John is obviously not interested so will ring the guys at Northampton still pretty far but worth talking to.

Might also try a place called horsham developments.
BMworx.com is that bexley motorworks link does not work?

Cheers guys.

I travelled to Simpsons for some work recently from the South Coast and it was well worth it mate, you want something done right with the exceptional knowledge they have then it's well worth making the effort! ;)

[DuncanR]

I reckon you could sort something yourself dunc at your place... couple of stools some wires and scales and bags of sand and fork lift ... sorted ..:whistle:


Mmmmm .. working on it mate !! mY STOOLS WOULDNT BE SOLID ENOUGH AT THE MOMENT THOUGH !! :bigcry: ..AAAARGH BOLLOX CAPS

[shane@mbtech]

Mmmmm .. working on it mate !! mY STOOLS WOULDNT BE SOLID ENOUGH AT THE MOMENT THOUGH !! :bigcry: ..AAAARGH BOLLOX CAPS

thats your age that dunc;)

[_Nathan_]

BMSport.com is Bexley's site, quite near you I think.

Agree it is worth doing as part of a geo on any car that is used on track.

[Thorney]

I'm not saying we're not interested, I'm trying to be helpful?

Corner weighting is a great deal different from setting up adjustable suspension, which of course is absolutely essential.

Corner weighting is the process where you try to get the car balanced in terms of equal weight distribution on the wheels. This is of course impossible as the engines in the front so you will always have more weight on the front axle, thats natural but what you're trying to achieve is a 50:50 displacement of weight from corner to corner (ie front left to rear right and rear left to front right).

You do this via small changes in the cars ride height on the suspension, sounds simple enough but once you change one corner you change all the other 3 as well, by different proportions so its a time consuming exercise of adjusting each corner then going back over again until its right. The E46 is very easy to get 50:50 (its normally shown in percentage terms, 50%) as the chassis is so balanced anyway but a proper corner weighted set up is worth decent time on track.

However (and this is where I'm trying to save people money) the process is very specific, the driver, wearing the exact clothes he wears on track, complete with helmet needs to be in the car for the entire process (when we dont have the driver we fill the seat with sacks of spuds, weight etc to match the drivers weight), so plan for a few hours sitting there reading a book. On a race car we know exactly what weight of fuel we run, each litre is 1kg approx so we corner weight the car for race fuel weight, we re-corner weight for success ballast (60kg win penalty in CSL Cup) as these make dramatic differences to corner weighting.

Apply this to a road car, add a tank of fuel and you've got 60kg added, if you've corner weighted it with half a tank you're now 30kg out and you've wasted your time. Run with a passenger? Again, waste of time, 80kg sat next to you will throw it out massively.

My point is that corner weighting is a racing thing or at absolute best a track day car where you are trying to get the last nth degree out of a laptime, for a road car its a nice way to spend a couple of hundred quid and make you feel better, if you have the money and want to be quicker buy a set of new tyres, or instruction make use of it rather than spending it on something that you dont need or can make any real use of.

I'll happily do it, charge you the labour anything you want, but I'd rather educate people on what to spend their money on rather than just take it, sorry.

[Thorney]

It is a completely different process to setting up suspension and geo, dont mix the two up.

[Dan]

Very good post that makes much sense there John! :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

Very good post that makes much sense there John! :thumbs:

+1 there JT, dont think I will bother now ! ... beer and curry solutions will forever be throwing my corner weighting out of kilter , besides, would costs too much in bags of spuds to ballast me !

[cantfind1]

Have to say John I disagree! You don t need to explain to me the process or what it achieves that's not what I am asking.

I am asking where to get it done, I have had it done many time in Australia and America and only once over here but was not quite happy with it. So I am looking for another place, quite simple really.

Corner weighting is essential if you fit coilovers to a car that is going to be used on track, even if you can't get it spot on, which in a right hand drive M3 is virtually impossible (they were designed as a left hand drive car afterall) it will be miles better than if you had not performed the simple corner weighting.

You can t just fit coilovers measure the ride height and be done with it if you are going to do any serious driving. End of!

This is one of the reasons many people don't use Thorneys anymore, wrong information in my opinion.

[_Nathan_]

It is a completely different process to setting up suspension and geo, dont mix the two up.

Done as part of setting up and geo not saying it is the same thing.

As with all these things you can find a compromise that works well for a trackday car, sure it might be a little out when you have differing passenger sizes or with different fuel loads but still better than not having it done at all (and arguably no different to a race car where your corner weighting is compromised on fuel load between beginning and end of a race \ fuel stint).

As an example Plans did my Noble with 40kg in the passenger seat as it was a halfway house between passenger and none, in a car as heavy as a road going M3 the weight of the drivers clothes is neither here nor there!

PS. Fuel is approx 0.75 kg per litre :smokin:

[Thorney]

Have to say John I disagree! You don t need to explain to me the process or what it achieves that's not what I am asking.

Simply trying to be informative


Corner weighting is essential if you fit coilovers to a car that is going to be used on track, even if you can't get it spot on, which in a right hand drive M3 is virtually impossible (they were designed as a left hand drive car afterall) it will be miles better than if you had not performed the simple corner weighting.

Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, however getting it 'spot on' as you say will change as you change weight in the car, hence its a pointless exercise unless you maintain that as a constant, for most people even on track day cars thats important to know.



You can t just fit coilovers measure the ride height and be done with it if you are going to do any serious driving. End of!

I believe I said that quite clearly, I even made a seperate post about it, the process of geo is abour camber, toe, castor, trail, height, tyre pressure, dampers, spring settings, spring types etc


This is one of the reasons many people don't use Thorneys anymore, wrong information in my opinion.

As you say in your opinion, which of course you are entitled to. However, having founded the CSL Cup, won multiple races in it myself (14 seconds last Donington round is still the largest margin of any win this season or last) and running multiple cars both race race winning I'll rely on our credentials.

Take a look at last year, at Donington Park I ran my car on 6 degrees of negative camber, Dan Stringfellow and the others all took the piss in the paddock saying it looked silly, fast forward to now and the whole grid is running 5-6 degrees from last years 3-4 degrees. Dan was having major issues in handling and set up last season, even considering changing suspension, I did three laps of Brands Hatch and suggested stiffer springs and softer damping (which was the exact opposit to what he'd been told by all the self appointed 'experts'). Fast forward to now, he's stuck with Nitron who have redeveloped his suspension with guess what? Stiffer springs and softer damping and hes winning straight away (end of last season he didn't beat me once in last 4 races).

I think I have a rough idea what to do.

My point is that corner weighting on a car where the actual chassis weight displacement will not meaningfully change over the course of its use is very much worth doing, but for 99.99% of all track day cars the range of weight variance that the car will undergo even during an average track day makes the process excessive and there are better things to spend money on to get ultimate track times. If you disagree with that then fine, vive la difference but please dont say I'm wrong, we simply dont agree, thats fair enough.:beer:

[Thorney]

Done as part of setting up and geo not saying it is the same thing.

As with all these things you can find a compromise that works well for a trackday car, sure it might be a little out when you have differing passenger sizes or with different fuel loads but still better than not having it done at all (and arguably no different to a race car where your corner weighting is compromised on fuel load between beginning and end of a race \ fuel stint).

As an example Plans did my Noble with 40kg in the passenger seat as it was a halfway house between passenger and none, in a car as heavy as a road going M3 the weight of the drivers clothes is neither here nor there!

PS. Fuel is approx 0.75 kg per litre :smokin:

Nathan this is my point, there is no such thing as a compromise corner weight - its all compromise as its a dynamic. If that dynamic is minimised then corner weighting has a positive effect but this positive effect is minimised for each change in that dynamic.

Think of it this way, if you're 2 feet from the dartboard you're accuracy is pretty good, paying for glasses so you can see the board better makes sense. If you're 40 feet from the board being able to see a bit better isn't like to make much difference!;)

[Thorney]

As an example Plans did my Noble with 40kg in the passenger seat as it was a halfway house between passenger and none :smokin:

You see this makes no sense at all, so unless you had a 40kg passenger in the car the car wasn't corner weighted at all, in other words the car was deliberately out? Weird.

Tell me this, do you weigh your passengers? Do you re-corner weight your cars each time you fill/refill with fuel? If yes then corner weight away, if not then.......

[cantfind1]

Simply trying to be informative



Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, however getting it 'spot on' as you say will change as you change weight in the car, hence its a pointless exercise unless you maintain that as a constant, for most people even on track day cars thats important to know.




I believe I said that quite clearly, I even made a seperate post about it, the process of geo is abour camber, toe, castor, trail, height, tyre pressure, dampers, spring settings, spring types etc



As you say in your opinion, which of course you are entitled to. However, having founded the CSL Cup, won multiple races in it myself (14 seconds last Donington round is still the largest margin of any win this season or last) and running multiple cars both race race winning I'll rely on our credentials.

Take a look at last year, at Donington Park I ran my car on 6 degrees of negative camber, Dan Stringfellow and the others all took the piss in the paddock saying it looked silly, fast forward to now and the whole grid is running 5-6 degrees from last years 3-4 degrees. Dan was having major issues in handling and set up last season, even considering changing suspension, I did three laps of Brands Hatch and suggested stiffer springs and softer damping (which was the exact opposit to what he'd been told by all the other self appointed 'experts'). Fast forward to now, he's stuck with Nitron who have redeveloped his suspension with guess what? Stiffer springs and softer damping and hes winning straight away (end of last season he didn't beat me once in last 4 races).

I think I have a rough idea what to do.

My point is that corner weighting on a car where the actual chassis weight displacement will not meaningfully change over the course of its use is very much worth doing, but for 99.99% of all track day cars the range of weight variance that the car will undergo even during an average track day makes the process excessive and there are better things to spend money on to get ultimate track times. If you disagree with that then fine, vive la difference but please dont say I'm wrong, we simply dont agree, thats fair enough.:beer:


Fair enough, but I think his wins are down to his engine mapping which was done by a friend of mine! Hence why you wanted his car compression checked after he beat you and you couldn't understand why, as you thought it was running to much compression John! lol

I'll stick with my opinion of your company thanks. And yes it is my opinion don't want to put anyone off!

I think you underestimate the knowledge that some people have mate!

[Thorney]

Actually that was Jamie Martin at first race at Rockingham, and the less I say about him the better really, sometimes running a large teams means I get things ascribed to me that are in fact said or done by others, comes with the territory really.

I've no idea who you are, but you seem to know Dan, ring him up, in fact ring his dad even, at Brands Hatch he drove my car (now raced by Nick) and he asked me to drive his car, ie he wanted my opinion. He came back after a stint in mine and said how well it handled, especially the kerbs. He asked my opinion on his car and I said it was simply springs too soft and he'd been going stiffer and stiffer on the damping to compensate. All of the other people he'd spoken to (including a few Kumho racers) all agreed with what he was doing when I said that was wrong he was dubious (undestandably I guess) At Oulton Park he drove well (won first race) and his dad came over to us and said "you were right, you're the only people we've spoken to about this who suggested that and you're right, thank you"

Credit has to go to Nitron for working with Dan (and I believe Shirmer) to redevelop the kit but the overall idea, based on three laps of a wet track to go stifer springs and softer damping was me, sorry.

Dan is quick because Dan can drive, he'd be quicker though if he made some changes, which I think he knows but what the hell, if I'm such a nasty person why would I offer to help.....nah far easier to post on a forum.;)

[_Nathan_]

John - Do you come in each lap and corner weight based upon the fuel used so far? No.

Now take that compromise and expand it a bit, I'm not saying the car will be perfect but then no car is once it has used some fuel etc. The fuel load in my car (and indeed your M3) could vary by 85-90KG if it started with a full tank and ran to the reserve collector then add some driver weight varience on driver change, still worth doing though IMO and I assume you'll still corner weight your e92 for British GT?

You found 0.7 seconds a lap through corner weighting your vx220, if you could find half of that by being half way towards perfect from your starting point then it is worth doing no?

Of course it isn't going to be perfect at all points during the day but then geo won't be either after you've banged it off a load of curbs and people still set that.

Anyway, my opinion is just that, not trying to change your mind just putting another opinion there for people to read, I've not run a race team so that puts me on the back foot anyway. No point in arguing :)

[cantfind1]

I have never said you were a nasty person.

All I wanted to know was where to get my car corner weighted in this country near London.

Not a hard request!

I know you do corner weighting but I didn t go to you because of bad experiences in the past and once again I am proved right by your in ability to listen to the customer.

You don t need to know who I am, it doesn t matter. The fact of the matter is that you don't know everything there is to know about these cars, but you assume you do.

Thanks for pointing out that corner weighting is dynamic and that fuel changes during a race and weight changes! wow I never realised. :bigcry:

My simple point is and what Nathan pointed out is that no you will not get it perfect but that doesn't matter, half way is better than way off. Which is what people with road legal track cars are trying to achieve! QED

That's why we spend stupid amounts of money on gaining 20HP, only to find that most of the modifications exhaust, remap, etc etc do bollocks all!

Until you find someone that really knows what they are doing and unfortunately I have not found that person to be you John.

I am out!

[Thorney]

John - Do you come in each lap and corner weight based upon the fuel used so far? No.

No, but we know we use between 22-28litres of fuel per race with some leeway for extra time etc so worse case we're out by about 20kg. Minimal.



Now take that compromise and expand it a bit, I'm not saying the car will be perfect but then no car is once it has used some fuel etc. The fuel load in my car (and indeed your M3) could vary by 85-90KG if it started with a full tank and ran to the reserve collector then add some driver weight varience on driver change, still worth doing though IMO

THats what I dont get, 85-90kg variance is so big that it makes corner weighting near enough moot (uness there has been a problem with the car) in other regards.


and I assume you'll still corner weight your e92 for British GT?

Yes, we test and corner weight it full, empty and midway, look at the laptimes and the data, however with endurance races the compromise is so large (different drivers) we only do it to check the data and see how weight affects lap times, the car isn't corner weighted in the same way as we would a sprint car, theres no point.



You found 0.7 seconds a lap through corner weighting your vx220, if you could find half of that by being half way towards perfect from your starting point then it is worth doing no?

The VX220 weighed 785kg's wet and only had 160bhp, its a momentum car so things like corner weighting (which we did actually to change some tyre wear patterns we were getting can make a much larger difference)

Of course it isn't going to be perfect at all points during the day but then geo won't be either after you've banged it off a load of curbs and people still set that.

Completely agree

Anyway, my opinion is just that, not trying to change your mind just putting another opinion there for people to read, I've not run a race team so that puts me on the back foot anyway. No point in arguing :)

Not arguing. My only point was that someone wanted to spend money on their track day and I was simply suggesting that money would be better spent elsewhere, thats my opinion, its not shared no problem.

Put it this way, if this thread was "I've got £300 in my pocket, I want to be quicker on track, corner weight the car or get some instruction?" we wouldnt have this discussion.

[Thorney]

To answer the question.


Top of my head, BM Sport (SE), Plans (SW) are the London ones that spring to mind but sure there are others.

[_Nathan_]

Agreed on last point.

[glendog74]

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[DazBlackCSL]

These really need corner weighting :smokin:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/dazzam3_photo/jessica_jaymes_pussy_play_008.jpg

[glendog74]

Weigh-hey! :thumbs:

[cantfind1]

That's more like it, I'd love to put my weight in her corner!:smt055

[DuncanR]

That more like it Dazza ! get off topic :hahaha:

If I were with her for very long she would be crying "weight ...weight weight "

And i would be going ... I cant weight any longer !! :hahaha:

[glendog74]

If I were with her for very long she would be crying "rape ...rape rape "

And i would be going ... I cant weight any longer !! :hahaha:

LoL :hahaha:

[XKaLiBaR]

If it's a road car then save your money, waste of time.

No offence, but Simpsons done my RTAB and full corner weight geo, took 5 hours, and only charged me half what you would charge for a normal geo setup.
And Simpsons didnt take my wheel off to make the steering go straight, unlike you guys :whistle:
So no offence mate, but going by your standards, what the f*** do you know about setting up a car?

So cantfind1, go to Simpsons, its worth the trip, its the best setup i have ever had. :thumbs:

[Dan]

LoL :hahaha:

Fpmsl :bigcry: :bigcry:

LOVELY pic Daz! :hahaha: :drool: :smokin:

[Bounce]

LoL :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

No offence, but Simpsons done my RTAB and full corner weight geo, took 5 hours, and only charged me half what you would charge for a normal geo setup.
And Simpsons didnt take my wheel off to make the steering go straight, unlike you guys :whistle:
So no offence mate, but going by your standards, what the f*** do you know about setting up a car?

So cantfind1, go to Simpsons, its worth the trip, its the best setup i have ever had. :thumbs:


:smokin:

[02PRUV]

These really need corner weighting :smokin:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/dazzam3_photo/jessica_jaymes_pussy_play_008.jpg

Your wrong it's balanced perfect already

[DuncanR]

:smokin:

Lawsy !!!!! ...dont !!!:hahaha:

[SachaR]

Wow..... This thread is becoming interesting for more than one reason..:whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

Lawsy !!!!! ...dont !!!:hahaha:

I merely meant he was smoking in his approach:finga:

[Bounce]

Wow..... This thread is becoming interesting for more than one reason..:whistle:Yeah,who gives a fook about weights.:-D

[AlexGTT]

These really need corner weighting :smokin:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/dazzam3_photo/jessica_jaymes_pussy_play_008.jpg
I knew there was a reason I had to read this thread......................and I've just found it. Thanks Daz.:beer: Please hyjack any thread you like with similar. SMASH.:drool:

[Hazy]

These really need corner weighting :smokin:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/dazzam3_photo/jessica_jaymes_pussy_play_008.jpg

hmmmmmm I bet her rebound is set to "soft":smt055

[shimmy]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[daniel]

BMworx.com is that bexley motorworks link does not work?

Cheers guys.

No. Speak to russf on here.

[Rutkowski]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2mqoxv7.jpg


I prefer corner weighing smaller ones. :thumbs:

[azrael]

I prefer corner weighing smaller ones. :thumbs:

She's stolen your shoes, quick get em back

[Rutkowski]

She's stolen your shoes, quick get em back

:hahaha:

No, not mine mate but i can't imagine where you got that idea from........ what's on your mind? :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[XKaLiBaR]

BMSport.com is Bexley's site, quite near you I think.



I wouldnt recommened Bexley mate. Proper cowboys. They will not look after you. When i asked for corner weight to be done on my car, they refused to do it. I then told them, the height needed to be adjusted, before the geometry setup.

He dropped the rear, no measuring, and then did the geo.

After he came back from the test drive, the short midget who drove it, I had noticed how he kicked open the doors on the other cars. So i made sure i stood by the car as he pulled in, and he almost kicked my door aswell, till he clocked me.

He then informed it was done. I looked around the car, and i clearly saw one side was higher than the other. I pointed this out.

So the car went back up the ramp. He started adjusting the height again. Taking each wheel off to do so, which is a complete waste of time, as Simpsons mechanics, just put their hands behind the wheel and adjust it.

Now the funniest part is, when it came to adjusting the front height, he refused to do. His excuse was that he didnt have the right tools for the PSS10, and blaimed me for not bringing mine. He had the PSS9 height adjust spanners, which he refused to use. Funny thing is, the next day, i used my mates pss9s spanner to adjust it.
A motorsport garage, with 1000s of tools, could not find a single tool to adjust the height. Bollox. The cunt just didnt want to do it.

So guess what, he has adjusted the rear again, which has probably f**ked up the geo now. :whistle:

He then tried to charge me £350!!!! £150 for height adjustment, and £200 for geo. I told the twat, the height wasnt adjusted properly, and the geo is now messed up, because you didnt do height properly the first time round. I threw £200 on his table, and told him, he was lucky to even get that.

I said earlier, go to Simpsons, they charged me £190 for 5 hours work on my car. That included fitting the turner limiter kit and RTAB bushes. They refused to let me go, till they had my car perfect. And i can tell you, my car drives perfect now. Steering is dead straight too. :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

Baris - that is fkd up matey! They wouldn't see a penny from me.

Thanks for letting us know and as i said - i used Simpsons and i will go back.

[AlexGTT]

As repeated many times in this thread, I can also recommend Simpson Motorsport. Wouldn't take my car anywhere else and haven't for 3+ years. Fortunately I only live 25mins from them and the road between is a cracker.:smokin:

More pics of birds please.:drool:

[Silver Bullet]

I wouldnt recommened Bexley mate. Proper cowboys. They will not look after you. When i asked for corner weight to be done on my car, they refused to do it. I then told them, the height needed to be adjusted, before the geometry setup.

He dropped the rear, no measuring, and then did the geo.

After he came back from the test drive, the short midget who drove it, I had noticed how he kicked open the doors on the other cars. So i made sure i stood by the car as he pulled in, and he almost kicked my door aswell, till he clocked me.

He then informed it was done. I looked around the car, and i clearly saw one side was higher than the other. I pointed this out.

So the car went back up the ramp. He started adjusting the height again. Taking each wheel off to do so, which is a complete waste of time, as Simpsons mechanics, just put their hands behind the wheel and adjust it.

Now the funniest part is, when it came to adjusting the front height, he refused to do. His excuse was that he didnt have the right tools for the PSS10, and blaimed me for not bringing mine. He had the PSS9 height adjust spanners, which he refused to use. Funny thing is, the next day, i used my mates pss9s spanner to adjust it.
A motorsport garage, with 1000s of tools, could not find a single tool to adjust the height. Bollox. The cunt just didnt want to do it.

So guess what, he has adjusted the rear again, which has probably f**ked up the geo now. :whistle:

He then tried to charge me £350!!!! £150 for height adjustment, and £200 for geo. I told the twat, the height wasnt adjusted properly, and the geo is now messed up, because you didnt do height properly the first time round. I threw £200 on his table, and told him, he was lucky to even get that.

I said earlier, go to Simpsons, they charged me £190 for 5 hours work on my car. That included fitting the turner limiter kit and RTAB bushes. They refused to let me go, till they had my car perfect. And i can tell you, my car drives perfect now. Steering is dead straight too. :thumbs:

+1.....I had the Geo done there aswell & i witnessed a big pair of stilsons being used on my tie rod ends when the were a bit stiff.
white latex gloves on covered in the usual and straight onto the steering wheel.
Greasy hand marks all over the drivers door, all the spanners banging about on the inner wings, no provisions for keeping the car as is, apart from a dirty old mangled wing protector.

General attitude aswell, i went because people were raving about this crowd.

Its a shitehole of an old volvo garage and the yard is full of poor looking bangers of race cars..........never never again.:bigcry::bigcry:

[shimmy]

im banned from BMSport now, long story!


+1.....I had the Geo done there aswell & i witnessed a big pair of stilsons being used on my tie rod ends when the were a bit stiff.
white latex gloves on covered in the usual and straight onto the steering wheel.
Greasy hand marks all over the drivers door, all the spanners banging about on the inner wings, no provisions for keeping the car as is, apart from a dirty old mangled wing protector.

General attitude aswell, i went because people were raving about this crowd.

Its a shitehole of an old volvo garage and the yard is full of poor looking bangers of race cars..........never never again.:bigcry::bigcry:

[mole]

im banned from BMSport now, long story!

Come on shimmy, spill the beans :hahaha:

Looks like Simpsons is the only place to go...has anyone tried Technosport as reccomended by scrubberamit?

[shimmy]

Come on shimmy, spill the beans :hahaha:

?

:smokin:

[mole]

:smokin:

boring ;)

[TMAQ]

interesting reading! thanks for the info XKaLiBaR \ Silver Bullet :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

Just to think i considered going to Bexley dumpyard motorsport ............!!!!! :banghead:

[Bounce]

Sounds like a place to stay well clear of.;)

[Dan]

im banned from BMSport now, long story!

Doesn't sound as though your missing anything!

[JezP]

Looks like Simpsons is the only place to go...has anyone tried Technosport as reccomended by scrubberamit?

Yup a definet alternative.

[Ian_M3CSL]

I'd be intersted to know how well you can corner weight a CSL?

I had KW3's fitted to mine which were not corner weighted when fitted.

A friend of mine races Minis and offered to do it.

He spent a whole day on it and never charged me because he couldn't get any where near what he thought was acceptable (on his Mini he can get to <1.5kg) I think the CSL was 10's of kg's, I'm sure the 100kg of ballast in the drivers seat didn't help!

What he did definitely improved things the car would pull dead staight on a fast pull away rather than drifting requiring stering input to correct.

[XKaLiBaR]

I'd be intersted to know how well you can corner weight a CSL?

I had KW3's fitted to mine which were not corner weighted when fitted.

A friend of mine races Minis and offered to do it.

He spent a whole day on it and never charged me because he couldn't get any where near what he thought was acceptable (on his Mini he can get to <1.5kg) I think the CSL was 10's of kg's, I'm sure the 100kg of ballast in the drivers seat didn't help!

What he did definitely improved things the car would pull dead staight on a fast pull away rather than drifting requiring stering input to correct.

The car was designed for left hand drive, so by putting the steering on the right, its messed the weight balance up at the front. So extra weight on the offside front, plus driver = :banghead:
So thats why its good to get corner weighting, as best as you can, to atleast make the car more balanced.

[Bealo]

WOW what a thread this is....

Need more tits to make it interesting though :thumbs:

[alexk]

The car was designed for left hand drive, so by putting the steering on the right, its messed the weight balance up at the front. So extra weight on the offside front, plus driver = :banghead:
So thats why its good to get corner weighting, as best as you can, to atleast make the car more balanced.

That's why LHD CSLs are faster !!!
Especially when they are Grey

:thumbs:

[Bounce]

WOW what a thread this is....

Need more tits to make it interesting though :thumbs:+1 :thumbs::thumbs:

[DuncanR]

WOW what a thread this is....

Need more tits to make it interesting though :thumbs:
Thought we had enough already mate what with Rob,Dazza,Lawsy,Shimmy,T$......oh and of course me !

[cantfind1]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that starting a thread on corner weighting would lead to pics of naked women, I am shocked! But I am also very glad!!! :thumbs:

[cantfind1]

By the way I went to see a guy called Jez who owns Horsham developments. He really knows his stuff and spent a long time on my car getting it as close as possible. Highly recommend him!

http://www.h-dev.co.uk/index2.php?page=home

[karbonkid]

By the way I went to see a guy called Jez who owns Horsham developments. He really knows his stuff and spent a long time on my car getting it as close as possible. Highly recommend him!

http://www.h-dev.co.uk/index2.php?page=home

Good to hear your all sorted and happy. Always handy to know as they're not far from me. :thumbs: