how much would you say ££ ?

[shimmy]

how much would you guys think that a SG CSL 51k miles, a/c, pdc, all options but no bmw warranty, superb paint condition but otherwise standard is worth.

i mean how much would it actually sell for if you were not in a rush to sell

(not mine by the way):thumbs:

[s.mac]

this might be bollocks, but as the number of road CSLs fall in the near future sellers will be able to up the price of the cars.

It doesnt really matter what the little black book says they are worth :birdman:

[moonigan]

If its the one that I think you are talking about then the complete lack of history in the service book would have a huge impact on its resale value I would have thought.

But hey this is only my second post :)

[AlexGTT]

If its the one that I think you are talking about then the complete lack of history in the service book would have a huge impact on its resale value I would have thought.

But hey this is only my second post :)

But that is not an answer to the question.

[AlexGTT]

this might be bollocks, but as the number of road CSLs fall in the near future sellers will be able to up the price of the cars.

It doesnt really matter what the little black book says they are worth :birdman:

See my previous post.

[s.mac]

See my previous post.

That 6 pages of your previous posts Ive just halled through (:banghead:) and I cant see anything related ? :)

[moonigan]

But that is not an answer to the question.

True but I looked at the poll results first and then voted myself before writing my response.

[Bounce]

Who thought 20k,you wont get a 80k miler for that little,and ive just been looking for the last 12 months.

[phat///M3]

I voted 24K but only if it has service history, warranty is one thing, but it should have service history to fetch that.

[Silver Bullet]

Well i bought mine back in March last year, she had 59k on the clock, usual full service,extended warranty with good paint, new rear tires, all perfect under the bonnet & HPI clear.

Basically a peach, done another 5k since problem free bar a power steering hose & a sticky labia flap!

I paid £23700.00 on the nose, looking at the values at the mo i think i picked up a bargain cos if someone offered to buy it back for that much now id tell them to fook off !!:hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

I voted 24K but only if it has service history, warranty is one thing, but it should have service history to fetch that.

Me too... £24K with FSH... otherwise sub £20K IMHO :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

Who thought 20k,you wont get a 80k miler for that little,and ive just been looking for the last 12 months.

Clicxk the number of votes next to the options and all voters will be revealed.

[shimmy]

Clicxk the number of votes next to the options and all voters will be revealed. :thumbs:

thanks guys, keep the VOTES coming!

[karbonkid]

Well depends on colour right?



...£2k less for Black. :whistle:

[Craig]

Un-sure, but if you know of a cheap SG CSL let me know!! :D

[shimmy]

Well depends on colour right?

how much would you guys think that a SG CSL 51k miles, a/c, pdc, all options but no bmw warranty, superb paint condition but otherwise standard is worth.




;):banghead:

[Dan]

I voted 25k personally if it's a really clean one.

[jibm]

25k if its all in order....dubious history and its sub 20k cuz that means its been clocked.

[shimmy]

25k if its all in order....dubious history and its sub 20k cuz that means its been clocked.


def not been clocked

[Droop Snoop]

Sounds like my car:thumbs:

If all is as it should be and has service history then i voted 24k.

[toplad]

I voted 23, but only because there is no 23.5K,

It all depends who's selling too. Dealer or private sale

There are a few private sellers who want dealer money without any of the services and piece of mind that goes with it. I've noticed cars with over 50K on the clock and advertised at 25K seem to hang around a while.

There’s one in 'Bradistan' with 51K on the clock for £23.999. at the mo. This one

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1456133.htm


The car is pretty clean, not unmarked, but the service book has been lost and the owner is trying to get the new one filled in by all the dealers which it's been to in the past, but of a nightmare by the sounds of it.

Is this the one the OP is referring to?

[cslgirl]

Off topic but it really bugs me that people can't spell on their adverts! Especially dealers, very unprofessional.

ALCANTRA ?
CONSOL?
TAXE ?
:banghead::banghead::banghead:




I think its just the secretary in me as to why it bugs me so much. :whistle:

[anissut]

24-25k, no doubt in my mind.

Also, regarding dealer or private sale, I actually think it makes no difference with a CSL as they are so rare now. Most privately owned cars are in better condition anyway. They will continue to hold firm once we get into some better weather.

[Bounce]

24-25k, no doubt in my mind.

Also, regarding dealer or private sale, I actually think it makes no difference with a CSL as they are so rare now. Most privately owned cars are in better condition anyway. They will continue to hold firm once we get into some better weather.Thats good news:thumbs:,how do you think prices will look over the next 5 years,do you think they will start to creap north,as ive told my Mrs they will.:whistle:

[anissut]

Thats good news:thumbs:,how do you think prices will look over the next 5 years,do you think they will start to creap north,as ive told my Mrs they will.:whistle:

I think there will be a few brackets. Very low mileage cars, say under 10k will be very desirable and will hold value best. There will be very few of these around so when they come up they will go for a premium. I could be wrong but I don't think these will ever drop under 35k. Then cars in the 10-20k miles bracket, around late 20's early 30's. 20-40k miles mid to high 20's. Once you get into 40-80k miles cars then low 20's and maybe under 20k if high mileage and not good condition. Obviously as each year goes by the cars in those first few brackets, so say up to 30k miles will hold value better as they will become rarer and therefore more desirable.

I think that prices could creep up but I don't see them ever rising really high in the same way the E30 Evo Sport has or the M1 or the first CSL or even Porsches like the 964RS, 993RS. I think that is probably due to the lack of motorsport history compared to all of the above.

I have times where I think I should sell but in reality what I should do is keep the CSL and just buy other cars alongside it.

[TANKSLAPPER]

Well i bought mine back in March last year, she had 59k on the clock, usual full service,extended warranty with good paint, new rear tires, all perfect under the bonnet & HPI clear.

Basically a peach, done another 5k since problem free bar a power steering hose & a sticky labia flap!

I paid £23700.00 on the nose, looking at the values at the mo i think i picked up a bargain cos if someone offered to buy it back for that much now id tell them to fook off !!:hahaha:


Car look great mate, what a steal

[toplad]

24-25k, no doubt in my mind.

Also, regarding dealer or private sale, I actually think it makes no difference with a CSL as they are so rare now. .

It might not to you, but it does to most.

There are a limted number of punters who are willing to hand over 25K cash in a private sale, You only have to look at the ratio of private and dealer cars for sale, to find out most are sold through dealers.

There's three price levels

Trade
Private
Dealer

You might lucky and sell your car for dealer money, but if you want to move it on. its better to be more realistic and price it accordingly or else it could sit around for a while.

[anissut]

It might not to you, but it does to most.

There are a limted number of punters who are willing to hand over 25K cash in a private sale, You only have to look at the ratio of private and dealer cars for sale, to find out most are sold through dealers.

There's three price levels

Trade
Private
Dealer

You might lucky and sell your car for dealer money, but if you want to move it on. its better to be more realistic and price it accordingly or else it could sit around for a while.

I guess you're looking to buy one then? ;)

[anissut]

It might not to you, but it does to most.

There are a limted number of punters who are willing to hand over 25K cash in a private sale, You only have to look at the ratio of private and dealer cars for sale, to find out most are sold through dealers.

There's three price levels

Trade
Private
Dealer

You might lucky and sell your car for dealer money, but if you want to move it on. its better to be more realistic and price it accordingly or else it could sit around for a while.

Also, go and see a car at a dealer and decide if you would buy from them compared to an enthusiast. Bottom line, unless you need finance (very difficult to finance private purchases nowadays) I can't see any other reason to buy from a dealer. The CSL is an enthusiasts car and most owners/sellers are not out to do anyone and if the correct checks are done then it would be a very safe purchase. I'm on my 3rd CSL, 2 were bought privately and 1 was from a dealer. Guess which car was in the worst condition and priced higher.

[mattCSLnut]

Also, go and see a car at a dealer and decide if you would buy from them compared to an enthusiast. Bottom line, unless you need finance (very difficult to finance private purchases nowadays) I can't see any other reason to buy from a dealer. The CSL is an enthusiasts car and most owners/sellers are not out to do anyone and if the correct checks are done then it would be a very safe purchase. I'm on my 3rd CSL, 2 were bought privately and 1 was from a dealer. Guess which car was in the worst condition and priced higher.


Same here... when I started my search for a SG CSL, I thought I'd start at the top (Main Stealer) not because of finance deals but I thought they would have " The Best" specimen CSL about. I couldn't have been more WRONG ! ... despite it's relatively low mileage of 43K and three previous owners, the dealer CSL had poor history with missing services, hardly any paperwork to go with it, the sales staff knew nothing about it and it was the most expensive + the so called BMW warranty wasn't the proper "Mondial" BMW warranty but some shitty, in house, waste of time warranty not worth the paper it was written on.
NO sale :birdman: ...

The second SG CSL was being sold by a non franchise dealer who knew a little more about the CSLs, the car itself had higher mileage, more owners the the previous CSL, a bit more history and it was better priced but the car itself looked very much neglected with a thick layer of poorly applied Wax and a long list of "To do" things. Some BMW warranty soon to expire, so more expense. He wouldn't move on the price either nor wasn't willing address the "To do" list .
No sale but thank U for your time :whistle:

Car number three was an enthusiast owned, private sale by a pleasant CSL owner who clearly LOVED his toy. This was the highest mileage SG CSL, with the highest owner count, however the history file was BIG & complete, no issues with the car itself (none), just had the BIG Inspection 2, just had the proper BMW Warranty renewed (11 months), longish MOT + enough tax to get me on the road there & then, recent tyres & as NEW CUP wheels, NEW windscreen, the body work of a 10 000 mile car (glistening) despite poor weather. It drove like a NEW car, no creaks or rattles. If the odometer said 30K miles I would have believed it (68K was the actual reading) :smt055 :smt055 :smt055 at first sight. SOLD to me :thumbs: the following day and NO regrets about buying it Privately. Best car I've ever owned... by far (and I've had a few nice cars in my short time). THANX to Jeff :beer: and all the previous owners for looking after her.

[toplad]

Same here... when I started my search for a SG CSL, I thought I'd start at the top (Main Stealer) not because of finance deals but I thought they would have " The Best" specimen CSL about. I couldn't have been more WRONG ! ... despite it's relatively low mileage of 43K and three previous owners, the dealer CSL has poor history with missing services, hardly any paperwork to go with it, the sales staff knew nothing about it and it was the most expensive + the so called BMW warranty wasn't the proper "Mondial" BMW warranty but some shitty, in house, waste of time warranty not worth the paper it was written on.
NO sale :birdman: ...

The second SG CSL was being sold by a non franchise dealer who knew a little more about the CSLs, the car itself had higher mileage, more owners the the previous CSL, a bit more history and it was better priced but the car itself looked very much neglected with a thick layer of poorly applied Wax and a long list of "To do" things. Some BMW warranty soon to expire, so more expense. He wouldn't move on the price either nor wasn't willing address the "To do" list .
No sale but thank U for your time :whistle:

Car number three was an enthusiast owned, private sale by a pleasant CSL owner who clearly LOVED his toy. This was the highest mileage SG CSL, with the highest owner count, however the history file was BIG & complete, no issues with the car itself (none), just had the BIG Inspection 2, just had the proper BMW Warranty renewed (11 months), longish MOT + enough tax to get me on the road there & then, recent tyres & as NEW CUP wheels, NEW windscreen, the body work of a 10 000 mile car (glistening) despite poor weather. It drove like a NEW car, no creaks or rattles. If the odometer said 30K miles I would have believed it (68K was the actual reading) :smt055 :smt055 :smt055 at first sight. SOLD to me :thumbs: the following day and NO regrets about buying it Privately. Best car I've ever owned... by far. THANX to Jeff :beer:
That's all great, but it doesn't change the fact that most cars go through dealers when it's the higher end stuff.

People paying large amounts of money in private sales are in the minority, so there is a pricing structure and it does matter to the majority.

Not that I think dealer stock is better, by any means, in my experience (apart from Porsche) its worse.

[anissut]

That's all great, but it doesn't change the fact that most cars go through dealers when it's the higher end stuff.

People paying large amounts of money in private sales are in the minority, so there is a pricing structure and it does matter to the majority.

Not that I think dealer stock is better, by any means, in my experience (apart from Porsche) its worse.

Are you sure about that? Ask the majority on here how they bought their cars, private or a dealer? Think you may be surprised.

[toplad]

I'm sure you'll get the odd person on here to back you up, but I disgree

Last post from me on this subject

Regards

[shimmy]

I'm sure you'll get the odd person on here to back you up, but I disgree

Last post from me on this subject

Regards

i do agree with you for most cars but i have been really surprised att he amount of CSLs that dotn go back thru the dealer network. It is a small community and with sites like this you do get a few that seem to sell privately where most cars wouldnt.

I think partly because tradiutionally the CSL doesnt seem to obtain the full value thru dealers and traders so private sales makes you more money for sure

[mattCSLnut]

Are you sure about that? Ask the majority on here how they bought their cars, private or a dealer? Think you may be surprised.

Yep... I ditto that. Majority of CSL on here have been purchased Privately, including the latest SG CSL addition to the "Nut House" bought from Cambridge (no I haven't SOLD mine ;) ) Wayne's (wazadaza) NEW Toy

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1417958.htm

... + DuncanR bought his `Privately as did I + SIEN too, who then SOLD it on Privately to another Private buyer.

I think there's a pattern developing here :whistle:

[cslgirl]

I bought from a main dealer in 04 but only because there were less private ones available. Would only buy private now.

[mattCSLnut]

I bought from a main dealer in 04 but only because there were less private ones available. Would only buy private now.
I bet that in 2004 there were hardly any Private sellers of the CSL, mainly because the BMW Main Dealers were still selling the CSL as a NEW car, on the 04 / 54 plates.