got a plan for 2010

[shimmy]

no racing as no ££££

but gonna (by Spa) loose 100kg and gain 25bhp

that will increase bhp/kg ratio from 247bhp/tonne to 280bhp/tonne

but how?

[shane@mbtech]

no racing as no ££££

but gonna (by Spa) loose 100kg and gain 25bhp

that will increase bhp/kg ratio from 247bhp/tonne to 280bhp/tonne

but how?

Diet,


and buy one of these:drool::drool:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Electric-Supercharger-Turbo-FORD-PROBE-MONDEO-FIESTA-KA_W0QQitemZ330383102779QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars Parts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item4cec5e133b

[shimmy]

Diet,




on my list 10kg is mine to loose, ad 90kg the car :thumbs: (where can you get lighweight driving shoes? and can you track in your underpants?)

[_Nathan_]

no racing as no ££££

but gonna (by Spa) loose 100kg and gain 25bhp

that will increase bhp/kg ratio from 247bhp/tonne to 280bhp/tonne

but how?

Buy a new car?

[shimmy]

Buy a new car?


would cost me another 30k for 280bhp/tonne in an RS

[_Nathan_]

Is that a yes or a no? ;)

[shimmy]

Is that a yes or a no? ;)

maybe............................................. ........................

[_Nathan_]

RS has more than 25bhp more so not that.

25bhp on S54 = cams, remap, exhaust, 380bhp?

[shimmy]

RS has more than 25bhp more so not that.

25bhp on S54 = cams, remap, exhaust, 380bhp?

RS has same as GT3 (381bhp) just about 60 kg less weight and some better bits on it (1360kg)

my changes WILL BE ON THE CSL though i think. Plan will be decided in January.

[_Nathan_]

Email me with your list of weight savings, be interested to see!

[shane@mbtech]

RS has same as GT3 (381bhp) just about 60 kg less weight and some better bits on it (1360kg)

my changes WILL BE ON THE CSL though i think. Plan will be decided in January.


What seats you running shimmy,

Ditch standard seats, 20-30kg ish saving

remove rear seats etc 5-10kg ish

remove aircon, 15-20kg ish

Buy some mega bucks light weight wheels, unsprung weight is multiplied compared to sprung weight loss.

Carbon rear bumper.

Just a few quick ideas

theres nearly 40-70kg.

I had a session of stripping my track slag tonight, front seats, rear seats, parcel shelf out, stupid rear sunblind out, harmon kardonn base thing out, tv tuner out, sat nav reader out, cd changer out, drove it home, You can feel the difference already, feels far less lardy.:thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

God I'm sad - figures for some CSL bits, includes some packing but may be helpful to the Shimster:

Rear Side Bolsters – 900g x 2 = 1.8kg
Box of brackets and clips = 0.8kg
Headrest – 600g x 2 = 1.2kg
Rear side panels (packed together) = 3kg
Rear Seat Bench = 7kg
Front door cards (Packed together with speakers) = 8.8kg
Rear seat backs (packed together) = 9.5kg
Front seat unwrapped - 20kg x 2 = 40kg

[shimmy]

Email me with your list of weight savings, be interested to see!

gonna post them here (when i have thought them up) :thumbs:

[DuncanR]

can you track in your underpants?)
I have done a lot of things in my underpants in my time, and not all of them im proud of, but track a car ??? mmmm

On the weight issue Shim, how about only filling the fuel tank to half full ? Density of petrol = 737.22 kg/m^3
Remove plastic wheel arch liners?
Have a good turn out before each lap?:whistle:
Make sure that the washer bottle is empty ? Density of H2O = 1 kg/litre
Then again, if said washer bottle is empty, take it and the bracket out !:hahaha:
Remove all paint from bodywork?
Only use 3 wheel studs...thats plenty if you do 'em up tight !

[shimmy]

Only use 3 wheel studs...thats plenty if you do 'em up tight !

that one had slipped by the net.....thanks




keep it up boys and girls, the plan (your plan) is developing nicely

aim is to beat 2m 50 next dry visit ;)

[_Nathan_]

2:50 isn't bad for Donny mate, let me know when you are going :P

[Hazy]

Email me with your list of weight savings, be interested to see!

ME TOO, i LIKE A GOOD LAUGH!!

[Craig]

After stripping the CSL I can tell you theres a lot of weight that can be taken out of it! The front pollen filter assembly weights a tonne, and lots of the interior parts are excessive too like the solid foam blocks in the back, the 2 inch thick carpet, etc...

There however is only one small bit of sound proofing and that is in the drivers foot well by the throttle pedal.

[DuncanR]

Not forgetting those 4 plastics jacking points on the underside ! CAUSING INCREASED DRAG AS WELL AS WEIGHT bollox caps ... just keep one loose for using when required ! ... how observant am I !!:hahaha:

[Bounce]

Get a good haircut,get your sack and crack waxed,and get those gold fillings taken out,cut finger and toe nails.:whistle:

[DuncanR]

You forgot "pick nose" and dig earwax out with cotton bud ! Bounce !
nOT GOING TO POST THAT....JUST GETTING TOO SILLY NOW !! double bollx caps yet again ! doh !:whistle:

[shimmy]

gonna post them here (when i have thought them up) :thumbs:

So the list of weight savings i would like to do (weights are guesses)/ Plan would be to drive out at Spa over 100kg less than last year somehow and 25bhp higher.

UPDATED

1. exhaust back box 13kg (got SS race box now ready to fit)
2. strip boot = 5kg
3. strip back seats, panels, headrests and insulation =15kg
4. 4 lightweight rims (8kg each max) = 10kg (factored)
5. remove spacers =2kg (factored)
5, me on diet =10kg
6. pollen filter remove and any other under bonnet stuff = 5kg
7. max 20 litres fuel = say 22kg
8. zero windscreen wash =5kg
9. replace battery with braille = 8kg
10. carbon seats= 20kg

TOTAL= 103kg reduced plus rims rotational 12kg (factor 4)





Also possibly
4.10 diff (bought that)
carbon rear bumper - 5kg
new lower front bumper and race splitter - aero only (have second bumper ready)
cams
map

[shimmy]

just an update

1. 4.10 diff bought ready to go on
2. Ss race back box i pick up Tuesday
3. new map trialling Wednesday for a week or so (will let you know how i get on)
4. Braille battery ordered
5. 18 inch rims ordered
6. front bumper and splitter planned but now action yet
7. cams not going ahead i dont think
8. SS race headers possible purchase and remap
9. lost 7 kgs weight so far!
10. no plan to change seats but might whip one out for 100 kg saving reasons

Keeping me happy during the winter and so far this has been done REALLY CHEAPLY!

[phat///M3]

Get the carbon seats, I have someone who will buy your stock ones from you :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Get the carbon seats, I have someone who will buy your stock ones from you :thumbs:

trouble is carbon seats are about 7-8 kg with all the padding

my recaros are 10kg

as curly suggested i might as well for the trial take out my CSL passenger seat and save the full 15kg rather than buy one or two carbon seats at £1000


sorry, also wouldnt sell the CSLs as i would def put them back in when i sell the car (if i sell the car)

[glendog74]

When you selling your 19" Cup tyre mountain then? ;) :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

When you selling your 19" Cup tyre mountain then? ;) :whistle:

He pm me before, He was asking if he leaves 2 big space heaters in the garage for 2 days, would it get hot enough to shrink the cups to 18";)

[TANKSLAPPER]

Get the carbon seats, I have someone who will buy your stock ones from you :thumbs:

Just how many sets of csl seat have you bought and sold ?

[shimmy]

When you selling your 19" Cup tyre mountain then? ;) :whistle:

soon as i get confirmation of rims manufacture and postage - hopefully end Feb:thumbs:

[phat///M3]

Just how many sets of csl seat have you bought and sold ?

A friend of mine has Nathan's (green CSL) seats now, but have another friend who is dying for some and as they dont speak good English Im the messenger :thumbs:

[glendog74]

soon as i get confirmation of rims manufacture and postage - hopefully end Feb:thumbs:

Cool - let me know... :whistle:

[shimmy]

Cool - let me know... :whistle:


i dared to go inot the garage today whilst the wife was out and count the Cups

21:drool: = 12 front and 9 rear

some new woth stickers still on, some nearly new and some used :beer:

also found some PS1 frnt and rears, PS2 rears, pirelli nero zero front and rears :whistle:

[Dan]

i dared to go inot the garage today whilst the wife was out and count the Cups

21:drool: = 12 front and 9 rear

some new woth stickers still on, some nearly new and some used :beer:

also found some PS1 frnt and rears, PS2 rears, pirelli nero zero front and rears :whistle:

Good work so far Shim, I see you have lost 7kg's, very good mate! :thumbs: I have lost 6kg (13lbs roughly) since xmas and feel much better for it! :thumbs:

I'd like some prices on some Cups at some point aswell :bigcry: :hahaha: ;)

[philj]

Hi Shim
How about:
removing stereo and speakers
Lighweight battery
Sell a kidney

:blalalala:
Phil

[shimmy]

Hi Shim
How about:
removing stereo and speakers
Lighweight battery
Sell a kidney

:blalalala:
Phil

Phil - good to hear from you!

you muast have missed these in my post above


UPDATED

1. exhaust back box 13kg (got SS race box now ready to fit)
2. strip boot = 5kg
3. strip back seats, panels, headrests and insulation =15kg
4. 4 lightweight rims (8kg each max) = 10kg (factored)
5. remove spacers =2kg (factored)
5, me on diet =10kg
6. pollen filter remove and any other under bonnet stuff = 5kg
7. max 20 litres fuel = say 22kg
8. zero windscreen wash =5kg
9. replace battery with braille = 8kg
10. carbon seats= 20kg
11. Kidney (sell both)




battery is a Braiile 2317 and only 7.7kg. Ok as long as it bloody starts the car!

May take out the stereo just to make the targets for Spa but not a long term option as i like my Chris De Burgh and Celine Dion too much

Ive stopped drinking so dont need the kidenys any more. Got threee kids so thinking about selling my balls as well!

you doing Silverstone on March 30th?

[shimmy]

Good work so far Shim, I see you have lost 7kg's, very good mate! :thumbs: I have lost 6kg (13lbs roughly) since xmas and feel much better for it! :thumbs:

I am however starting fom a very high point!!!! So dont want to get even remotely happy until i am below 17 stone:whistle:

I'd like some prices on some Cups at some point aswell :bigcry: :hahaha: ;)

Sure, plan is to clean them up, measure them all, pair them up (sign them for posterity) and stick them all on here first for you guys.

[mattCSLnut]

Got threee kids so thinking about selling my balls as well!


I thought you've SOLD those long time ago ?!?! :gayfight: :blalalala:

[shimmy]

I thought you've SOLD those long time ago ?!?! :gayfight: :blalalala:

would have done but there is no way they would go through anybodies letter box so i decided to hang onto them for now :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

would have done but there is no way they would go through anybodies letter box so i decided to hang onto them for now :smokin:
Good plan :thumbs: ... U'll need them for when the "TD" going gets tough :whistle:

[philj]

Hi Shim
Off to get my eyes tested!
Will be there on the 30/03. I'll bring my jump leads for you!
Cheers
Phil

[shimmy]

Will be there on the 30/03. I'll bring my jump leads for you!


Phil

superb :thumbs:

[Dan]

Sure, plan is to clean them up, measure them all, pair them up (sign them for posterity) and stick them all on here first for you guys.

Cheeky fooker I nearly missed that in my quote! :bigcry: :bigcry: I'm no where near that! ;)

[shimmy]

update after my visit to Simpsons this week.

Slowly getting things done (see red below)

So the list of weight savings i would like to do (weights are guesses)/ Plan would be to drive out at Spa over 100kg less than last year somehow and 25bhp higher.

UPDATED

1. exhaust back box 13kg - FITTED
2. strip boot = 5kg - DONE
3. strip back seats, panels, headrests and insulation =15kg
4. 4 lightweight rims (8kg each max) = 10kg (factored) - TRIAL FIT DONE
5. remove spacers =2kg (factored) - NO NEED FOR SPACERS CONFIRMED
5, me on diet =10kg - DONE
6. pollen filter remove and any other under bonnet stuff = 5kg
7. max 20 litres fuel = say 22kg
8. zero windscreen wash =5kg
9. replace battery with braille = 8kg - DONE
10. carbon seats= 20kg

TOTAL= 103kg reduced plus rims rotational 12kg (factor 4)


Also possibly
4.10 diff (bought that) - FITTED, luvverly
carbon rear bumper - 5kg
new lower front bumper and race splitter - aero only (have second bumper ready)
cams
map - DONE



Not all the above list will be done now but car weighed 1378kg with half tank of fuel. I have


another 45kg to strip with front seat, rear seats and pollen filter an then new rims and fluids to reduce, should make her i reckon 1320kg which would be amazing as with me loosing weight it would be 130kg less than last year, as target was just just 100Kg
last decision to make is high lift cams, headers or both + which kid do i sell to buy them:smokin:
i will try the rims out at Silverstone Tuesday;)

[glendog74]

Sounds like its coming together mate :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Think I might fit a race battery myself in the csl. Just waiting for bmw to come out. Think my vanos is not well.

Glad to see your plan is coming together Shimmy!

[daniel]

Does this mean a CSL seat is up for grabs?:thumbs:

[karbonkid]

Shim what exhaust did you go for and is that 13kg saving, whats OEM weight 56lbs IIRC?

[AlexGTT]

Standard CSL backbox was roughly 24kgs when Simpson's checked mine. My lightweight SS backbox was 10kgs in the packaging when Ant stuck it on the scales.:thumbs:

Getting there Shim. Are you sure you've dumped 10kg's yourself or do you mean you just didn't get a large breakfast at the cafe across from Ant's place?;):hahaha:

[Manny_RDS]

Something just occured to me.

Wouldnt it be a f*cker if it rained at Spa after all this effort.. :whistle:

[shimmy]

Does this mean a CSL seat is up for grabs?:thumbs:

nah , keeping them for resale purposes when i sell the CSL

[shimmy]

Something just occured to me.

Wouldnt it be a f*cker if it rained at Spa after all this effort.. :whistle:

yes i know - always 50/50 at Spa but there is always GOldtrack, Bookatrack, Circuit Days ;)

[shimmy]

Getting there Shim. Are you sure you've dumped 10kg's yourself or do you mean you just didn't get a large breakfast at the cafe across from Ant's place?;):hahaha:

yep, slightly smaller breakfast and a good fart and 10 kgs gone :whistle:

[karbonkid]

Talking of weight...!

Any ideas on weights between:
OEM CSL suspension VS Coilovers, ie Intrax, Nitron, KW?
OEM CSL Brakes VS BBK, ie APs, Brembo F/R?

[shimmy]

Talking of weight...!

Any ideas on weights between:
OEM CSL suspension VS Coilovers, ie Intrax, Nitron, KW?
OEM CSL Brakes VS BBK, ie APs, Brembo F/R?

I can weigh my OEM suspension tomorrow but IK2 is fitted so can't do that

[shane@mbtech]

I can weigh my OEM suspension tomorrow but IK2 is fitted so can't do that


I would say approx 5kg difference between front struts per side.
Rears weigh pretty much the same weights

Have you made any colour solution decision Shimmy?

[Housey]

Shimms what was the seat you had in the front, I remember it being nicer to sit in?

[shimmy]

Have you made any colour solution decision Shimmy?


no, i will make it when i can afford it:thumbs:h

[karbonkid]

I can weigh my OEM suspension tomorrow but IK2 is fitted so can't do that

Smashing that would be a start, then I can weigh my un-installed coilovers and report back. :thumbs:

Now Brakes... Who has a set off their car (AP or OEM)?

[shimmy]

Smashing that would be a start, then I can weigh my installed coilovers and report back. :thumbs:

Now Brakes... Who has a set off their car? (AP or OEM)

AP brake weight was done on MTorque a few years ago but dont think we can see that. I have got OEM brakes to weigh (no pads) front and back

I am pretty sure someone can find AP front and rears (no pads)

[shimmy]

Shimms what was the seat you had in the front, I remember it being nicer to sit in?

drivers side has a Recaro Profi XPG XL (big arse version hence why me and you like it:smokin:)

[shimmy]

I can weigh my OEM suspension tomorrow but IK2 is fitted so can't do that

OEM Suspension weights (minus bolts but including rubbers)

Rear springs = 3.1 kg x 2
Rear Shocks = 2.4 Kg x 2
Front Shocks/Springs = 7.1 Kg x 2

TOTAL 25.2 Kg

[karbonkid]

OEM Suspension weights (minus bolts but including rubbers)

Rear springs = 3.1 kg x 2
Rear Shocks = 2.4 Kg x 2
Front Shocks/Springs = 7.1 Kg x 2

TOTAL 25.2 Kg

Right well.... I have just weighed my Coilovers:

Rear Springs/ Carrier = 2.4Kg x2
Rear Shocks = 1.2Kg x2
Front shocks/ Springs/ Adjustable Top Mounts = 5Kg x2

TOTAL: 17.2Kg

Total Saving: 8Kg

[shimmy]

Right well.... I have just weighed my Coilovers:

Rear Springs/ Carrier = 2.4Kg x2
Rear Shocks = 1.2Kg x2
Front shocks/ Springs/ Adjustable Top Mounts = 5Kg x2

TOTAL: 17.2Kg

Total Saving: 8Kg

cool, what makeare they?

my Intrax has just been refurbished and the bodies upgraded to steel from aluminium so mine will not be as light as that :whistle:

[_Nathan_]

sure it wasnt the bodies upgraded, not shafts?

[shimmy]

sure it wasnt the bodies upgraded, not shafts?

thats what in said old bean (check your emails) :thumbs:;)

[_Nathan_]

Weird - it was the bodies that snapped?

[karbonkid]

cool, what makeare they?

my Intrax has just been refurbished and the bodies upgraded to steel from aluminium so mine will not be as light as that :whistle:

Nitrons. Why the change to steel, it may be heavier but also has a tendency to rust! Are they black titan/ chromium coated?

[shimmy]

just had the CSL weighed full track prepped.

Popped int our local haulage company and they did it for free :thumbs:

Ok, so last year the car was 1440kg so guesses what it weighed (static) today!!!

Remember all the alterations are fully reversible:smokin:

[_Nathan_]

1326

[azrael]

1440kg - Does that include driver?

If so I'll guess 1460kg ;)

[shimmy]

no.guy showed me the ticket 1440kg dead on, bastard!




then i realised i was in the car this time

so overall saving is

106kg car
17kg me

total 123kg less than last year

plus benefit of 8.8kg of that saved on the rims

[shimmy]

1440kg - Does that include driver?

If so I'll guess 1460kg ;)

cnut

[karbonkid]

How much fuel was onboard weighed last yr and this yr?

[_Nathan_]

I was only 8kg out on the car :D

Good work!