Supersprint Race Lightweight Group Buy

[$w!ft]

Hi,

I would like to try and organize a group buy for this exhaust.

So far, from the previous thread, I have come up with this list, would like to know if anyone else is interested in getting one too, as the more the better. I'm not sure if we're enough to warrant a group buy as of yet...

Alexk
MattCSLnut
Cantfind1
tex
$w!ft

Any more?

http://www.supersprintna.com/images/products/022044006_lg.jpg

Prices I have found online range from £1000 to £1200 Exc. VAT


BTW anyone who is on an M3 forum could make a similar thread and join the group buys together...

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

I would like to try and organize a group buy for this exhaust.

So far, from the previous thread, I have come up with this list, would like to know if anyone else is interested in getting one too, as the more the better. I'm not sure if we're enough to warrant a group buy as of yet...

Alexk
MattCSLnut
Cantfind1
tex
$w!ft

Any more?

http://www.supersprintna.com/images/products/022044006_lg.jpg

Prices I have found online range from £1000 to £1200 Exc. VAT


BTW anyone who is on an M3 forum could make a similar thread and join the group buys together...

I'm still up for a good deal on Supersprint Noise Solutions but I might have to wimp out for the slightly quieter option :whistle:

[glendog74]

I'm still up for a good deal on Supersprint Noise Solutions but I might have to wimp out for the slightly quieter option :whistle:

:gayfight: :gayfight:

[shane@mbtech]

:gayfight: :gayfight:


Would a milltek not be more suited to your requirements Matt?:whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Would a milltek not be more suited to your requirements Matt?:whistle:


No :blalalala: as I SOLD my Milttek already. I want SS back box to go with the SS cats I already have :supz:

[$w!ft]

go for the race box mate, why wouldnt you want more of that amazing noise :D

[mattCSLnut]

go for the race box mate, why wouldnt you want more of that amazing noise :D

Remember that I already have Supersprint 100 cell Race cats + stainless middle section on my CSL :thumbs: so with the Supersprint Race light weight back box as well, I reckon I'll be very unwelcomed at most Track Days, especially Bedford Autodrome :whistle:

[DuncanR]

I agree with you re Bedford Matt.... massive no-no ! Leaving mine stock for that very reason !

[shimmy]

Remember that I already have Supersprint 100 cell Race cats + stainless middle section on my CSL :thumbs: so with the Supersprint Race light weight back box as well, I reckon I'll be very unwelcomed at most Track Days, especially Bedford Autodrome :whistle:


rubbish Matt

you may be unlucky at Bedford with a SS race box ........ depending upon weather conditions but nowhere else worth going to is gonna be a problem - stop scaring people off buying unless you have facts:smokin:

[DuncanR]

Ah bollocks then ... i best have one !:hahaha: ... but does THE noise come from exhaust, or air induction ...or a combination of both as in .... get the exhaust out more efficiently and air goes in quicker ..and noiser ?
Off to bed for some self love;) ...nite all !

[shimmy]

Ah bollocks then ... i best have one !:hahaha: ... but does THE noise come from exhaust, or air induction ...or a combination of both as in .... get the exhaust out more efficiently and air goes in quicker ..and noiser ?
Off to bed for some self love;) ...nite all !

youll get some exhaust note as well as induction roar Duncan

it may affect the noise inside the car but if you keep standard centre section this seems to be best bet to avoid headaches!

bhp improvements virtually NONE but youll save quite a few kgs

[glendog74]

Remember that I already have Supersprint 100 cell Race cats + stainless middle section on my CSL :thumbs: so with the Supersprint Race light weight back box as well, I reckon I'll be very unwelcomed at most Track Days, especially Bedford Autodrome :whistle:

I doubt it - you will be fine at most tracks bar Bedford...


it may affect the noise inside the car but if you keep standard centre section this seems to be best bet to avoid headaches!


Agreed :smt055

[$w!ft]

Just did a tunnel run tonight which was quite orgasmic, cant imagine it with this backbox on aswell!!

[DuncanR]

I need to hear one of these in the flesh methinks ... and make a judgement... so assuming my complete auspuffer system is stock, (I suppose i ought to check what i have first !) what do you Guru's recommend? So far I have retain OEM centre section to prevent the old pain in der kopf.

[glendog74]

what do you Guru's recommend?

Standard system - except backbox, the perfect compromise between achieving a little extra aggression under acceleration whilst minimising additional cabin drone.

My system is ideal imho: Standard + SS lightweight race rear silencer = 97db on noise tests. :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Rob
is there any track your race box has tripped the noise meters on or have you done Bedford with it ?

[mattCSLnut]

rubbish Matt

you may be unlucky at Bedford with a SS race box ........ depending upon weather conditions but nowhere else worth going to is gonna be a problem - stop scaring people off buying unless you have facts:smokin:


Speaking of facts, do U have any re: CSL exhaust, worth mentioning ?:whistle: U big girl's blouse :gayfight:

[mattCSLnut]

Standard system - except backbox, the perfect compromise between achieving a little extra aggression under acceleration whilst minimising additional cabin drone.

My system is ideal imho: Standard + SS lightweight race rear silencer = 97db on noise tests. :thumbs:


I hear U Rob, but I don't have that option of Standard Cats & middle section and would like to utilise what I do have already. Last thing I want is to end up loosing my money on another Back box experiment, which makes my CSL too loud and unbearable, like the Milltek MK2 saga.:bigcry: Last time I was measured for noise was @ Brands Hatch, it was 89 dB with SS 100 cell Racing Cats, SS middle section and O.E. CSL specific but heavy, back box :shock:. I'm guessing here but with the SS Race light weight + my existing set up I'm going to be at around 100 dB, if not more, hence the slightly more sensible Supersprint option :whistle:

[shimmy]

Last thing I want is to end up loosing my money on another Back box experiment,

cmon Matt, ill give yer 30p in the pound of you dont like it :thumbs:

[$w!ft]

Anyway I sent Simpson's an email today, will see what happens, if not ill email everywhere I find but I hope 5 is enough...

[glendog74]

Rob
is there any track your race box has tripped the noise meters on or have you done Bedford with it ?

Not yet Shim, but only done following tracks since Supersprint fit:

Cadwell; Donington; Oulton & the Ring (NS + GP)

[shimmy]

Not yet Shim, but only done following tracks since Supersprint fit:

Cadwell; Donington; Oulton & the Ring

can you go to bedford please before spring :thumbs:

[glendog74]

can you go to bedford please before spring :thumbs:

Isn't that the place where standard CSLs have been banned for 'induction noise' on approach to the sound level meters? AlexGTT may well be along soon with a little rant about his experience... lol :hahaha:

I can't say that it's a TD venue itch that i'm dying to scratch. I would much sooner try Anglesey or Silverstone before Bedford. Or just do Oulton or the Ring some more... ;)

[DazBlackCSL]

I did Bedford early in the year with Shaun Edwards.. had the race cats & BB on and was OK .. think I was running 97 ... shaun was beating the CSL to death as well and no issues :thumbs:

[Davidch]

Anyone fancy making me an offer for my SS backbox, and Race cats, and Centre section? :whistle:

[glendog74]

Anyone fancy making me an offer for my SS backbox, and Race cats, and Centre section? :whistle:

It may prove difficult splitting your system between the 4 or 5 people who are in this 'group buy'... :hahaha:

[shimmy]

Anyone fancy making me an offer for my SS backbox, and Race cats, and Centre section? :whistle:

David

£20 and you can throw in those front Rims for free:thumbs:

[Davidch]

David

£20 and you can throw in those front Rims for free:thumbs:


hmmm how about that set of CSL's you have and a kit kat chunky! :blalalala:

[Davidch]

It may prove difficult splitting your system between the 4 or 5 people who are in this 'group buy'... :hahaha:

How about we have a :gayfight:over it! My money is on Shims :blalalala:

4 or 5, Matt will chicken out and Shim wil be to busy buying CSL's so that leaves 2 of ya! :thumbs:

[$w!ft]

Hi guys, I've got an offer from Thorney £1250 Inc vat and delivery (exhaust would arrive by Friday)

Still waiting on other responses...

[DuncanR]

I got pinged at Bedford a few weeks back, albeit I was in a group of cars as we passed the monitor,it didnt go off but they got the "two bob bits" over it as it was very close!:hahaha: did the static test again and was ok. Im running stock system throughout.

[Thorney]

Might be able to wrok on the prices if its ordered this year, SS can do deals on stock ahead of VAT rise?

[$w!ft]

Ok guys I have received a couple of offers from various different places. I will PM you...

If anyone else wants this exhaust please let me know now!

Also purchasing before the VAT 2.5% rise would save around £30 which isnt too bad...

[alexk]

Might be able to wrok on the prices if its ordered this year, SS can do deals on stock ahead of VAT rise?

Hi John,

Any chances for better prices in 2010 ?

PS : my budget says june 2010

[glendog74]

Any chances for better prices in 2010 ?

PS : my budget says june 2010

I doubt it - our sales tax went up on the 1st of January , so if anything prices will probably increase Alex... Just hurry up and buy one! :banghead:

[alexk]

I doubt it - our sales tax went up on the 1st of January , so if anything prices will probably increase Alex... Just hurry up and buy one! :banghead:

I don't have to pay UK VAT, I live in Switzerland :thumbs:

Alternatively, I can get one from Germany :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Hi guys, I've got an offer from Thorney £1250 Inc vat and delivery (exhaust would arrive by Friday)

Still waiting on other responses...



OK, I'm really ready to buy :drool: and have just found this on Supersprint UK website:

SS Racing (the one I'm after) is £1078.17 inc VAT @ 17.5 % + £10 UK mainland delivery :thumbs:

SS Racing Lightweight is £1198 inc. VAT @ 17.5 % + £10 UK mainland delivery

I've just e-mailed them to check UK stock availability so waiting for response :whistle: Links to the web pages below

http://www.supersprintuk.com/supersprint-racing-rear-silencer-p-352.html

http://www.supersprintuk.com/supersprint-lightweight-racing-rear-silencer-p-351.html

[mattCSLnut]

I don't have to pay UK VAT, I live in Switzerland :thumbs:

Alternatively, I can get one from Germany :whistle:

But U'll have to pay the Swiss Import Tax instead as they are NOT part of EU :blalalala:

[mattCSLnut]

How about we have a :gayfight:over it! My money is on Shims :blalalala:

4 or 5, Matt will chicken out and Shim wil be to busy buying CSL's so that leaves 2 of ya! :thumbs:

:birdman: :blalalala: money burning a hole in my pocket for Supersprint Noise Solutions

[alexk]

But U'll have to pay the Swiss Import Tax instead as they are NOT part of EU :blalalala:

I happily pay it (the import tax == VAT) because we are NOT EU and it's 7.6%

:blalalala:

[mattCSLnut]

I happily pay it (the import tax == VAT) because we are NOT EU and it's 7.6%

:blalalala:


... and what about postage from UK to Switzerland ? :whistle:

[alexk]

... and what about postage from UK to Switzerland ? :whistle:

for example I got 4 BBS CH wheels (19") shipped for 40 pounds.
The exhaust shouldn't cost more ;-)

[mattCSLnut]

for example I got 4 BBS CH wheels (19") shipped for 40 pounds.
The exhaust shouldn't cost more ;-)

That's not bad :whistle: but not as good as £10 all in :blalalala:

[glendog74]

I don't have to pay UK VAT, I live in Switzerland :thumbs:

Alternatively, I can get one from Germany :whistle:

for example I got 4 BBS CH wheels (19") shipped for 40 pounds.
The exhaust shouldn't cost more ;-)

Like i said - stop talking about it and just buy one! :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

Like i said - stop talking about it and just buy one! :hahaha:

:hahaha: :gayfight: :hahaha: I wish I could but... here's the replay I received (very promptly) from Supersprint UK.



Hi Matt,

Thanks for making contact.

The 043926 is not held in stock in the UK. I have phoned the main importer and they also don't have it. I have contacted Supersprint Italy asking if they have it readily available and if they do it will take approximately 10-14 days to arrive on the next scheduled stock order. It' snot very often they are also out of stock of something but t has been known. So I never assume they do have everything.

The silencer weighs approximately 18.5kg

Delivery is £10

Total price would be £1088.17 including the VAT and delivery

I will email you again upon receiving stock confirmation from Italy.

Regards,
Steve


... so I wonder who has one in UK stock, ready to post ? Thorney ? :whistle:

[glendog74]

so I wonder who has one in UK stock, ready to post ? Thorney ? :whistle:

Simpson MS and BMSport also sell these iirc.

[mattCSLnut]

Simpson MS and BMSport also sell these iirc.


Fair enough but a) for how much... and b) are they from UK stock and ready to ship it out ? :whistle: My priorities are a good price and UK stock availability :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Simpson MS and BMSport also sell these iirc.

Just had a look Rob and BMSport's website shows nothing Supersprint for the E46 M3 :smt017 ... and Simpson Motor Sport price is £1090 + VAT + £25 Courier

http://www.simpsonmotorsport.co.uk/bmw-tuning/product.asp?id=67&pid=67&cid=43&pcid=12&product=18

and I don't know if they have it in stock :whistle: It's hard work trying to spend money sometimes m8 :hahaha:

BTW what do U think of the Scorpion SS back box I found on fleebay ? It's extremely well priced.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110458499878&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[shimmy]

i've just got mine :thumbs:

£800:birdman:

[glendog74]

Fair enough but a) for how much... and b) are they from UK stock and ready to ship it out ? :whistle: My priorities are a good price and UK stock availability :thumbs:

Just had a look Rob and BMSport's website shows nothing Supersprint for the E46 M3 :smt017 ... and Simpson Motor Sport price is £1090 + VAT + £25 Courier

and I don't know if they have it in stock :whistle: It's hard work trying to spend money sometimes m8 :hahaha:


Feck me Matt - can you do anything yourself? Do you want me to ring around and find stock level and pricing info for you?! I could even use my money to buy it for you if you want...! :banghead:

:whistle: ;)

[nick///M3]

after a lot of time searching i got mine last monday in the car...

custom headers with larger tubing
custom section 1 with 63.5mm diameter no cats
supersprint x pipe unresonated
and
SUPERSPRINT RACE MUFFLER !!!!!!!

o god the sound is just amazing....its pure sex...i am getting applause from guys with bikes on the street....

the incredible sound of the csl box up front( i can't here it inside the car...:whistle: )

and the unbelievable sound of the exhaust in the back....a friend heard it last night ( he has an M3 him self ) and he is still speechless !!!!! :thumbs::thumbs:

i will get a flyby video as soon as the weather permits it !!!!!

Jesus i love this exhaust !!!!!!:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool: :smt055:smt055:smt055:smt055

[mattCSLnut]

i've just got mine :thumbs:

£800:birdman:
Yeah... I don't want any old, second hand tat :blalalala:

[mattCSLnut]

Feck me Matt - can you do anything yourself? Do you want me to ring around and find stock level and pricing info for you?! I could even use my money to buy it for you if you want...! :banghead:

:whistle: ;)

No THANX :gayfight: otherwise Yes, why not... and definitely YES! :thumbs: :hahaha:

[glendog74]

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[alexk]

Like i said - stop talking about it and just buy one! :hahaha:

Mate, I am seeing the 'exhaust' project like a whiskey... the more you let it to mature, the better it gets. :partyman:


Nick > well done, the lightweight back-box kicks asses

[mattCSLnut]

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Just had a further e-mail from Supersprint UK... not good news I'm afraid :bigcry:

Hi Matt,

Supersprint have replied to me with availability. Unfortunately they don't have this available in stock. I was right not to assume a 10 day wait!

They won't have a batch of these produced until the end of February. So I would say approximately the 1st week in March for delivery to you, should you still want to place an order.

Sorry I couldn't supply you this in time for the track day you have booked.

Many thanks

Steve

[glendog74]

Just had a further e-mail from Supersprint UK... not good news I'm afraid :bigcry: [/I]

That's because you want the less popular 'wuss' version that no one keeps in stock! :gayfight:

[mattCSLnut]

that's because you want the less popular 'wuss' version that no one keeps in stock! :gayfight:


... or maybe because it's the sensible choice as I'm already running the rest of the "Supersprint" system and don't wish to fail all Track side noise tests :whistle: miaw ! :gayfight: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
Joking aside, is anyone on here running Supersprint 100 cell cats + Supersprint centre + either Supersprint Race or Race Lightweight back box I could listen to, compare and measure the dB ?

[bromers]

Are you running no cats - how's that working ?

[mattCSLnut]

Are you running no cats - how's that working ?

I'm running Supersprint 100 cell cats + SS middle section and standard O.E. CSL specific back box, which temporarily replaces the BOOMY Milltek MK2 back box, until I complete my exhaust system with a Supersprint Race back box. :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Ok guys I have received a couple of offers from various different places. I will PM you...

If anyone else wants this exhaust please let me know now!

Also purchasing before the VAT 2.5% rise would save around £30 which isnt too bad...

Hi there $w!ft, Alexk and other wan-a-be Supersprint back box owners.

I've had an up data today from Supersprint UK and they have 5 Race "Lightweight" boxes in UK stock, ready to dispatch. Best price (if we pay direct to their Bank account, instead of via Pay Pal is £1173.28, inclusive of VAT and UK mainland postage ( £1198.03 if you pay via Pay Pal) I'm swaying towards this version due to the luck of availability of the "Race" type I originally wanted and shortage of patience on my part . Any takers ? :whistle:

[shimmy]

Hi there $w!ft, Alexk and other wan-a-be Supersprint back box owners.

I've had an up data today from Supersprint UK and they have 5 Race "Lightweight" boxes in UK stock, ready to dispatch. Best price (if we pay direct to their Bank account, instead of via Pay Pal is £1173.28, inclusive of VAT and UK mainland postage ( £1198.03 if you pay via Pay Pal) I'm swaying towards this version due to the luck of availability of the "Race" type I originally wanted and shortage of patience on my part . Any takers ? :whistle:

Id take that, its dead cheap :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

Id take that, its dead cheap :smokin:
Yep... it's well priced alright + available for immediate UK dispatch. I'm ready to buy but as yet NO one has given me a definitive answer with regards to noise limits/levels which still concern me. I wish there was someone running the same set up us me and could tell me what dB reading they had on the last Track Day. I know Rob has the Race "lightweight" on his CSL but the rest of his exhaust is O.E. stock. By the time I get a Supersprint back box I'll be running a full Supersprint set up. In all seriousness, what exhaust components are U running on yours Shimmy ? and what dB numbers have U been recording ?

[shimmy]

In all seriousness, what exhaust components are U running on yours Shimmy ? and what dB numbers have U been recording ?

not sure how serious i can be but mine si stil stock but Race SS ready to go on.

Woppum has run the full SS race exhaust for a few years and only Bedford has occassionally chucked him off It passes 101 static easily but can be on the limit on the 87.5db at 20m drive by. But that is LOW

[mattCSLnut]

not sure how serious i can be but mine si stil stock but Race SS ready to go on.

Woppum has run the full SS race exhaust for a few years and only Bedford has occassionally chucked him off It passes 101 static easily but can be on the limit on the 87.5db at 20m drive by. But that is LOW
I appreciate that Shimmy ... but as I feared all along, Bedford is going to be a No! No! Shame as I'm planing a visit on the 30th of Jan. for a mates Birthday bash. Maybe I should be more patient and wait till the end of February for the Race version to arrive which should pose none of the noise issues of the lightweight type.

[glendog74]

Matt - just go to other track days besides Bedford - Simples! :thumbs:

AlexGTT has standard cats, SS centre section and race lightweight backbox and passes ok at track days - except Bedford :hahaha:

[shimmy]

I appreciate that Shimmy ... but as I feared all along, Bedford is going to be a No! No! Shame as I'm planing a visit on the 30th of Jan. for a mates Birthday bash. Maybe I should be more patient and wait till the end of February for the Race version to arrive which should pose none of the noise issues of the lightweight type.

i must admit Bedford has been fun for me over the last 3 years and great to learn at - i would have missed it and indeed probabaly one of the reasons i didnt go SS Race before

[DazBlackCSL]

Bloody Hell whats all the fuss about ;)

Mine has the SS race lightweight back box, 100 cell race cats, and the rest is miltek ( one bit from my race car ) so its pretty much a full mix after market race system:whistle:

Had varying db readings ever since, depends on day, weather, circuits, tester and testing equipment, your never gonna buy a system or back box and say its 95 and its 95 forever more :clown:

Mine has read between 95 and 101 and is never the same from one to the other, so moral of the story is ...

If you want one buy one, and dont worry too much as you'll be fine with just the Box, be careful at bedford, and go to all the other many tracks that you will be OK, if your not tracking heavily, then you have no issue... !!:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Bloody Hell whats all the fuss about ;)

Mine has the SS race lightweight back box, 100 cell race cats, and the rest is miltek ( one bit from my race car ) so its pretty much a full mix after market race system:whistle:

Had varying db readings ever since, depends on day, weather, circuits, tester and testing equipment, your never gonna buy a system or back box and say its 95 and its 95 forever more :clown:

Mine has read between 95 and 101 and is never the same from one to the other, so moral of the story is ...

If you want one buy one, and dont worry too much as you'll be fine with just the Box, be careful at bedford, and go to all the other many tracks that you will be OK, if your not tracking heavily, then you have no issue... !!:thumbs:


If I didn't have heavy Tracking plans for 2010 I wouldn't mention it at all... but I do, and don't fancy being turned away from numerous TDs like Bedford (closest to me) or Castle Combe (which is quite strict about noise levels too) and lose the money paid for TD + fuel money & time. I've failed @ CC before in my Porker 928 @ 124 dB :bigcry: (must be a record) and had to beg & borrow a standard back box, off a m8's 928. Best part of the morning wasted faffing about swapping back boxes in the car park, only to scrape through the noise levels @ 98 dB and then another few hours wasted swapping everything back to as it was, at the end of a long day. That, in a few words is what all the fuss is about :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

If I didn't have heavy Tracking plans for 2010 I wouldn't mention it at all... but I do, and don't fancy being turned away from numerous TDs like Bedford (closest to me) or Castle Combe (which is quite strict about noise levels too) and lose the money paid for TD + fuel money & time. I've failed @ CC before in my Porker 928 @ 124 dB :bigcry: (must be a record) and had to beg & borrow a standard back box, off a m8's 928. Best part of the morning wasted faffing about swapping back boxes in the car park, only to scrape through the noise levels @ 98 dB and then another few hours wasted swapping everything back to as it was, at the end of a long day. That, in a few words is what all the fuss is about :whistle:


Relax your body, take deep breaths, grow some balls:gayfight: and just buy the fucking thing, you ripped me for being indecisive.

Get it bought, glendog has been fine with his.

[mattCSLnut]

Relax your body, take deep breaths, grow some balls:gayfight: and just buy the fucking thing, you ripped me for being indecisive.

Get it bought, glendog has been fine with his.

Of course GlenDog is fine with his Supersprint Race Lightweight back box, as other then that, he's running the standards "Pussy Cat" :gayfight: and O.E. middle pipes, U wind up merchant :whistle:

[shimmy]

matt

buy the lightweight box, not the race - then we can rib you for years and post vids every week of how ours sounds! :thumbs:

[glendog74]

Of course GlenDog is fine with his Supersprint Race Lightweight back box, as other then that, he's running the standards "Pussy Cat" :gayfight: and O.E. middle pipes, U wind up merchant :whistle:

Pussy - says the man who is ever so worried about making too much noise! :birdman: I used to have a "Man Cat" fitted to my CSL if that makes me more socially acceptable to you... :hahaha:

Seriously though, DazBlackCSL runs Supersprint Race Lightweight backbox, Miltek centre pipe, Race 100 cell cats as well as Supersprint lightweight manifold iirc. He has not had any issues to date and he likes taking his CSL to race tracks! It's only Bedford that can on occasion prove to be rather anal. You therefore simply book TDs that have a higher db limit if you really are that concerned and losing sleep over the issue... Now stop making a 'mountain out of a molehill' and make a decision! :whistle:

[Thorney]

Let me know how you get on with prices, we should be able to sort a deal for members. However the last GB fell apart (as they tend to do) sadly.

[alexk]

John, I have sent an email about the brakes.
Thank you please

[mattCSLnut]

Let me know how you get on with prices, we should be able to sort a deal for members. However the last GB fell apart (as they tend to do) sadly.

Hi John... pm on it's way with regards to Supersprint noise solutions :thumbs:

[Thorney]

John, I have sent an email about the brakes.
Thank you please

Hi Alex, when was that? I was away last week so most would be forwarded to other members of staff, if you've noit had a reply then can you re-send and i will fire/abuse someone.:thumbs:

[DazBlackCSL]

If I didn't have heavy Tracking plans for 2010 I wouldn't mention it at all... but I do, and don't fancy being turned away from numerous TDs like Bedford (closest to me) or Castle Combe (which is quite strict about noise levels too) and lose the money paid for TD + fuel money & time. I've failed @ CC before in my Porker 928 @ 124 dB :bigcry: (must be a record) and had to beg & borrow a standard back box, off a m8's 928. Best part of the morning wasted faffing about swapping back boxes in the car park, only to scrape through the noise levels @ 98 dB and then another few hours wasted swapping everything back to as it was, at the end of a long day. That, in a few words is what all the fuss is about :whistle:


Matt

I have done most of the tracks last year, always did a standard track day on each race weekend prior to my testing in the race car on the friday.

I was in my road CSL with a FULL system, 100 cell cats (SS) Race Light Back Box (SS) and the rest is Miltek, in fact one piece was off my race car, and at Combe I measured 97, the rest between 95 and 101... still not sure what all the fuss is about, and as the others have said stop worrying about the lightweight one.

The above is FACT and I have NEVER been thrown off any of the circuits last season in my road car ;)

[mattCSLnut]

Matt

I have done most of the tracks last year, always did a standard track day on each race weekend prior to my testing in the race car on the friday.

I was in my road CSL with a FULL system, 100 cell cats (SS) Race Light Back Box (SS) and the rest is Miltek, in fact one piece was off my race car, and at Combe I measured 97, the rest between 95 and 101... still not sure what all the fuss is about, and as the others have said stop worrying about the lightweight one.

The above is FACT and I have NEVER been thrown off any of the circuits last season in my road car ;)


FINALLY ! someone (that U Daz) has answered my question directly. Alleluia :smt041 These dB numbers U're getting are perfectly acceptable. Daz is Right :smt045 My worries are over but I just found this on fleebay and it looks suspiciously like the Groupe M back box I've seen somewhere before :smt017 (the seller says it's custom made but he can't remember by whom) . Any thoughts ??? :whistle:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170433838564&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1182

[glendog74]

FINALLY ! someone (that U Daz) has answered my question directly. Alleluia :smt041 These dB numbers U're getting are perfectly acceptable. Daz is Right :smt045 My worries are over but I just found this on fleebay and it looks suspiciously like the Groupe M back box I've seen somewhere before :smt017 (the seller says it's custom made but he can't remember by whom) . Any thoughts ??? :whistle:


I'm think that i pretty much answered your question earlier in the thread:

DazBlackCSL runs Supersprint Race Lightweight backbox, Miltek centre pipe, Race 100 cell cats as well as Supersprint lightweight manifold iirc. He has not had any issues to date and he likes taking his CSL to race tracks! It's only Bedford that can on occasion prove to be rather anal. You therefore simply book TDs that have a higher db limit if you really are that concerned and losing sleep over the issue...

Now you're opening up a whole new debate about a GruppeM type back box which we all know are freakin loud! Make your mind up! :smt120 :banghead:

[mattCSLnut]

I'm think that i pretty much answered your question earlier in the thread:


Now you're opening up a whole new debate about a GruppeM type back box which we all know are freakin loud! Make your mind up! :smt120 :banghead:



Not as comprehensively as Daz :blalalala:
Anyway, not 100% sure if it's GruppeM back box but "Freaking loud" is enough for me to forget about it :whistle:

[DuncanR]

My budget for the year is already spent :bigcry: so the nearest im going to get to a new box is if i change women !:thumbs:

[shimmy]

My budget for the year is already spent :bigcry: so the nearest im going to get to a new box is if i change women !:thumbs:

i thought your budget was spent - that'll triple it!

[DuncanR]

i thought your budget was spent - that'll triple it!

You obviously havent seen the kind of women I date Shim ...they pay me mate !:hahaha:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:lZoqH_6ozAqMJM%3Ahttp://www.frogview.com/uploadimages3/48ea4cac300bd3.62577383frogview-gallery.jpg (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.frogview.com/uploadimages3/48ea4cac300bd3.62577383frogview-gallery.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.frogview.com/show.php%3Ffile%3D6577&usg=__F3snWZ2hturO1zqALkSNMCZB1sI=&h=450&w=550&sz=26&hl=en&start=2&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=lZoqH_6ozAqMJM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dugly%2Bwoman%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%2 6rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ADRA_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26n ewwindow%3D1)

[alexk]

Hi Alex, when was that? I was away last week so most would be forwarded to other members of staff, if you've noit had a reply then can you re-send and i will fire/abuse someone.:thumbs:

Hehe, is it a PM here better ?
I will try John... you are a busy man and I can understand it's not possible to answer all queries.

[mattCSLnut]

HI John... did U get my e-mails with regards to the Supersprint back box availability & prices ? Waiting eagerly for some info :whistle:

[Thorney]

not sure whats going on here? Can you resend it, I'm sorry but looks like a few emails are going missing, looked thru my PM's and replied to each of them. Sorry.

john@thorneymotorsport.co.uk

[alexk]

not sure whats going on here? Can you resend it, I'm sorry but looks like a few emails are going missing, looked thru my PM's and replied to each of them. Sorry.

john@thorneymotorsport.co.uk

John, I will give you a call tomorrow.

[mattCSLnut]

not sure whats going on here? Can you resend it, I'm sorry but looks like a few emails are going missing, looked thru my PM's and replied to each of them. Sorry.

john@thorneymotorsport.co.uk


Hi John. I've e-mailed U directly to the e-mail U've provided me with ... john@thorneymotorsport.co.uk :smt017

[s.mac]

I'm sorry but looks like a few emails are going missing

mine must be with them from the attempted PF disk group buy ;)

[glendog74]

mine must be with them from the attempted PF disk group buy ;)

:smt082 :smt082 :smt082

[shimmy]

John the only person i would recommend getting an Indian call centre to improve his CS.:hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

John the only person i would recommend getting an Indian call centre to improve his CS.:hahaha:


:smt037 Lucky I'm not holding my breath on this one :whistle:

[Thorney]

Ref the PF group buy, we sorted a price and a deal for 5 and 10 and in the end only 1 person bought (which we did for the GB price so lost money). No big deal but you can see how things fall apart.

As for a SS buy, what exactly do people want? There are about 7 options from rear boxes, decats, cats, cross overs, if I can at least get an idea then I can ask SS for better prices.

All the options are listed here on our site:

http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/products/index.php?cPath=1329_1637_2086_2090

If we can create a list what people actually want I can see what they will do ref pricing.

[s.mac]

Ref the PF group buy, we sorted a price and a deal for 5 and 10 and in the end only 1 person bought (which we did for the GB price so lost money). No big deal but you can see how things fall apart.


it's a shame all my emails and pm's went astray, you may have made some money if they had got through :)

I know from personnel pm's 5 of us bought from elsewhere

[alexk]

If we can create a list what people actually want I can see what they will do ref pricing.

Supersprint List :
alexk - Lightweight racing back box

PS: also, rear AP calipers and Pagid RS 4-2 pads... still waiting for feedback John

[glendog74]

I know from personnel pm's 5 of us bought from elsewhere

:thumbs: :thumbs:

[s.mac]

Quote:
Originally Posted by s.mac http://www.cslregister.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?p=40474#post40474)
I know from personnel pm's 5 of us bought from elsewhere

:thumbs: :thumbs:

I can see you're loving this Rob ;)

I think its a shame as our money went else where.

I would have preferred it to have gone to a forum dealer/supplier.

since then I have spent £3.5 k on other parts from dealers, as their response was what I would have expected when purchasing goods, busy or quiet ;)

[glendog74]

I can see you're loving this Rob ;)

I think its a shame as our money went else where.

I would have preferred it to have gone to a forum dealer/supplier.

since then I have spent £3.5 k on other parts from dealers, as their response was what I would have expected when purchasing goods, busy or quiet ;)

I'm in exactly the same position mate - have spent upwards of £7.5k since going elsewhere - full APs, KW Clubsport, Supersprint, plus other stuff! :whistle:

[Thorney]

Well I dont know what to say, I did my best and if I come up short thats all I can do.

Alex, I have no PM's or emails.

As for the PF group buy, we got a price, I sent out a price, that price was cost if people bought elsewhere then its cheaper than we can buy for so good luck to you, no harm in that.

[shimmy]

Evolve in Luton are doing a deal now inc VAT and delivery:thumbs:

044006 - Lightweight Racing Rear Exhaust - £1165

[mattCSLnut]

Evolve in Luton are doing a deal now inc VAT and delivery:thumbs:

044006 - Lightweight Racing Rear Exhaust - £1165

That's the BEST price for one of these in the UK right now :thumbs: . One thing I discovered today was that the sole, official, Supersprint UK Imported/Distributor is... "Euro Car Parts" ... I'm as surprised :smt107 as the next guy. Unfortunately, even with my discount it's still 1272.91 inc VAT @ ECP and I collect from their Cambridge depo. I wonder if they can price match ? There's a second hand SS Light weight on eBay at the mo. but the chap selling it wants a £1000 as he insists they sell for £1380 NEW. :whistle:

[s.mac]

but the chap selling it wants a £1000 as he insists they sell for £1380 NEW. :whistle:

LOL he's having a laugh :clown:

I sold mine, plus SS 100 cell cats and SS X pipe for £1k :bigcry:

thinking on I may be the :clown:

[mattCSLnut]

LOL he's having a laugh :clown:

I sold mine, plus SS 100 cell cats and SS X pipe for £1k :bigcry:

thinking on I may be the :clown:
I don't think so m8. £1000 for what U sold sounds like a very fair price and I bet it SOLD instantly. £160 od quid saving off NEW, over his unknown second hand, 13 month oldish pipes, that he wants £1000 is not much of a saving in my eyes. If he accepted £800 then maybe just maybe :whistle:

[Thorney]

Well we're a site sponsor here for a reason.

Get any proper written quote from any supplier (and that includes Evolve) and we'll beat it.

[shimmy]

Evolve in Luton are doing a deal now inc VAT and delivery:thumbs:

044006 - Lightweight Racing Rear Exhaust - £1165

If anybody wants this just ring Evolve or log onto m3cutters.com to see the written offer!

[weedavey]

If anybody wants this just ring Evolve or log onto m3cutters.com to see the written offer!

I ve just had a look. Bloody tempted too, but brakes need sorting first.

[shimmy]

look, didnt mean to piss on the SS race box GB with Thorney and have had a bollocking from him;)

im sure john will sort you out with a deal and i just thought the comparison price (as thats how the thread started) would be of interest as you are all after the best deal possible of course:thumbs:

i am sitting in the corner at home with no supper :bigcry:

[mattCSLnut]

Well we're a site sponsor here for a reason.

Get any proper written quote from any supplier (and that includes Evolve) and we'll beat it.
OK John... here below is an e-mail from Steve @ Supersprint UK, the lowest quote I've managed to get is £1173.28 all in (until the Evolve deal came along today). What can U do the same Supersprint Race "Lightweight" back box for ?



Hi Matt

The price on my website for the lightweight race silencer is £1,198.03 including VAT. That is an already heavily discounted price of 20% from the RRP. The RRP is a whopping £1,497.54

I could bring the price down slightly more, to £1173.28 including delivery and VAT (mainland UK delivery) but to qualify for this price I would ask that money was transferred direct to my account. If you were to order and pay through my website, Paypal take 2.9% of the transaction value. Bypassing Paypal and going direct to my bank account would save me paying the 2.9% fee, meaning I can pass this on. How does this sound? You can imagine how many emails I receive from people asking for a better price. I give them this same option for payment. Either way a VAT invoice will be supplied.

The importer currently has 5 of these lightweight race silencers in stock.

Thanks

Steve

[mattCSLnut]

If anybody wants this just ring Evolve or log onto m3cutters.com to see the written offer!


GOOD NEWS !!! (for me anyway) after weeks & weeks of searching & waiting for others to get back to me with price & availability, Euro Car Parts, who are the sole UK imported of the Supersprint products anyway, have come back to me and "Price Matched" the Evolve deal :thumbs: so I snapped their arm off and finally bought one. Being delivered to Cambridge depo overnight so as of tomorrow morning I'll be a proud owner of Supersprint finest RACE "Lightweight" SS back box, just in time to get :ban: from Bedford Autodrome TD on Saturday :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: This means, there are only 4 left in the country :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

GOOD NEWS !!! (for me anyway) after weeks & weeks of searching & waiting for others to get back to me with price & availability, Euro Car Parts, who are the sole UK imported of the Supersprint products anyway, have come back to me and "Price Matched" the Evolve deal :thumbs: so I snapped their arm off and finally bought one. Being delivered to Cambridge depo overnight so as of tomorrow morning I'll be a proud owner of Supersprint finest RACE "Lightweight" SS back box, just in time to get :ban: from Bedford Autodrome TD on Saturday :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: This means, there are only 4 left in the country :whistle:


About fucking time, give it 2 days before we are bombarded with gay exhaust photos;)

[mattCSLnut]

About fucking time, give it 2 days before we are bombarded with gay exhaust photos;)

Ahh... since you're asking for it :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

Ahh... since you're asking for it :whistle:

How about a nice video with sound clip to spice it up:gayfight:

[mattCSLnut]

How about a nice video with sound clip to spice it up:gayfight:
I might :whistle: in HDMI quality too

[glendog74]

About fucking time

Indeed - maybe this thread will fade away now and we can all rest easy now that Matt is finally happy! :wav:

[shane@mbtech]

Indeed - maybe this thread will fade away now and we can all rest easy now that Matt is finally happy! :wav:

Use the power Rob

by the power \\\\M powergreyskull

Lock it down :smokin:

[glendog74]

I would, but couldn't take the grief from Matt if i closed down his favourite thread...

[mattCSLnut]

Indeed - maybe this thread will fade away now and we can all rest easy now that Matt is finally happy! :wav:


We will see :whistle: Acid test on Saturday @ Bedford TD :smt090

[mattCSLnut]

I would, but couldn't take the grief from Matt if i closed down his favourite thread...


Do what U want Big Dog :smt064 ;)

[Bounce]

Im thinking of getting a SS backbox,but dont know which one to go for,any ideas.:smokin:

[shimmy]

Im thinking of getting a SS backbox,but dont know which one to go for,any ideas.:smokin:
]

buy Matt's after he gets chucked off Bedford at the weekend!:thumbs:

[$w!ft]

So how is it?

[glendog74]

So how is it?

Yeah come on Matt, are you finally happy with a SS - or did you get turned away at Bedford? You gotta let everyone know after all the build-up hoo ha!

YOU COULD EVEN POST UP SOME PICS TOO! :hahaha:

(Bollocks, I'm even posting like you now!)

[shimmy]

(Bollocks, I'm even posting like you now!)

you always did! :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

you always did! :hahaha:


:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: the secret's out

[mattCSLnut]

Yeah come on Matt, are you finally happy with a SS - or did you get turned away at Bedford? You gotta let everyone know after all the build-up hoo ha!

YOU COULD EVEN POST UP SOME PICS TOO! :hahaha:

(Bollocks, I'm even posting like you now!)

Very long story m8... if you're really interested I'll pm U the details, away from the lurking eyes of a certain member on here (they know who they are ) who spoiled the whole deal, not only for me but all the others I was trying to keep informed about the great deal Euro Car Parts were offering on the Supersprint RACE lightweight back box. I've never had such difficulty spending £1200 in my life :hahaha: Silly old me :clown: for trying to share useful information that would have benefited many others wanting a good deal. I guess I should have kept my mouth shut, gone behind every ones back and not mentioned a thing about it, but I didn't think that was the spirit of this forum :whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

:smt017:smt027

Please let us know so as we can be aware and sort:whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

:smt017:smt027

Please let us know so as we can be aware and sort:whistle:

I'm not sure U can Daz :whistle: but if you're interested in what happened I can pm U ;)

[shimmy]

I'm not sure U can Daz :whistle: but if you're interested in what happened I can pm U ;)


ffs just post it or you'll be PMing everybody!;)

just make sure its true and not just some one sided garbage

[Thorney]

Very long story m8... if you're really interested I'll pm U the details, away from the lurking eyes of a certain member on here (they know who they are ) who spoiled the whole deal, not only for me but all the others I was trying to keep informed about the great deal Euro Car Parts were offering on the Supersprint RACE lightweight back box. I've never had such difficulty spending £1200 in my life :hahaha: Silly old me :clown: for trying to share useful information that would have benefited many others wanting a good deal. I guess I should have kept my mouth shut, gone behind every ones back and not mentioned a thing about it, but I didn't think that was the spirit of this forum :whistle:

I will assume thats referring to me?

Simple, Evolve said they were doing a deal (that looked very good), I spoke with Sal and said I wouldnt try and just drive the price down and if he'd sorted a deal I wasnt in the business of just stealing the business (even though I pay to be a site sponsor here). Then you post about ECP offering a better deal. ECP are the distie for the SS system and Sal rightly thought that was out of order and frankly I agreed. SS want the rights to sell our manifold for the CSL and I said that I'd heard that they were competing with other retailers on deals like this and that wasn't how we wanted to do business. I assumed you had your exhaust.

Thank you for posting it though, we will not allow ECP to sell our manifold, I wont deal with a company who cant be trusted. I see it from both ends, TMS are the distie for Milltek Vauxhall systems, we offer trade discounts and will do group buys for people, but if we hear of a group buy that one of our retailers are offering we will not swoop in there to pick up the business - thats not what a distributor does. ECP asked to sell our manifolds (which are WW exclusive to TMS), we were in the middle of negotiations for it for ECP to sell it and this happens. What would you do? I didnt kill your deal for your exhaust or for anyone elses for that matter, indeed I even stood by when a competitor sorted a deal on a site where we are a sponsor as frankly it was a good price and whilst I could match it I couldnt beat it so I left it.

[shimmy]

John

So understand the Race Box side of the story - but how is the header manufactured then?

I guess you are refering to the 022 789801 SS stepped RHD header when you refer to your's?

[Thorney]

John

So understand the Race Box side of the story - but how is the header manufactured then?

I guess you are refering to the 022 789801 SS stepped RHD header when you refer to your's?

Yes, thats ours. We did agree to sell via ECB but now Ive seen this. I wasnt aware they cancelled the bcackbox just assumed they went ahead.

[Thorney]

Will speak to ECB on Monday, the first I've heard of this is tonight. Certainly the idea of competing with a distie is not right but then if a member of a site we are sponsoring gets his deal cancelled thats not right either.

[shimmy]

Will speak to ECB on Monday, the first I've heard of this is tonight. Certainly the idea of competing with a distie is not right but then if a member of a site we are sponsoring gets his deal cancelled thats not right either.


:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Will speak to ECB on Monday, the first I've heard of this is tonight. Certainly the idea of competing with a distie is not right but then if a member of a site we are sponsoring gets his deal cancelled thats not right either.
Hi John. I hope you'll appreciate I was trying to be discrete about it all as I only had a view from one side of this deal. No matter how infuriating it was to have my £££ turned away due to ECP's big clients disapproval, it clearly demonstrates that if I kept this deal more private, p.m.ed only the guys who wanted to know, I would be a proud owner of a shiny NEW Supersprint RACE lightweight back box and you & Evolve would have been none the wiser. Instead, silly old me, I was trying to be a nice guy, openly sharing info on a good deal with all CSLregister members, that was available for immediate UK delivery, at a great price, direct from the sole importer. I though this forum was one place people would appreciate such info.

For the record, my SS RACE light weight back box did arrive on the Thursday morning but it was badly damaged (right on one of the tips so would have been very visible, once on the car). ECP Cambridge promised to supply another one for the following morning, only to later that same day, call me back to inform me that they had to go back on their price promise with me (due to the above mentioned) and dropped the deal. To be honest this whole matter has left an unpleasant aftertaste and I'm not quite sure what your phone call to ECP on Monday is going to achieve.

[glendog74]

So... You're still without SS Solutions then? :banghead: There's plenty of places to buy one mate; just looks like you may need to pay full price after all! Just get out the credit card and be happy :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

So... You're still without SS Solutions then? :banghead: There's plenty of places to buy one mate; just looks like you may need to pay full price after all! Just get out the credit card and be happy :smokin:


Yeah, not by choice :clown: Me and my big mouth :ban:

[Mark CSL]

Not so good matt :bigcry:

I am sure Thorney will sort you out with it at the same price or better with MEMBERS DISCOUNT come on John lets see some good will with members

And make this bitching a thing of the past i am sure you are not happy with the supplyer but its not mats fault :whistle:

All members are here for Help and too Help :beer:

Mark csl

[mattCSLnut]

Not so good matt :bigcry:

I am sure Thorney will sort you out with it at the same price or better with MEMBERS DISCOUNT come on John lets see some good will with members

And make this bitching a thing of the past i am sure you are not happy with the supplyer but its not mats fault :whistle:

All members are here for Help and too Help :beer:

Mark csl


No, not good at all :whistle:. It's not everyday someone is willing to spend £1200 of the hard earned on a fancy exhaust they don't really need, only to end up back at where they started, feeling deflated. Worry not, I'll get over it ;)

[glendog74]

I am sure Thorney will sort you out with it at the same price or better with MEMBERS DISCOUNT come on John lets see some good will with members


:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[Mark CSL]

Ok Thorney it looks like the ball is in your court now m8 :whistle:

[shimmy]

i cleaned my today ready to be fitted next week :thumbs::blalalala:

[Thorney]

Just so we are clear over this, the supply of your exhaust was not something we had any interest in, indeed Evolve set a price, that was a good price so I left it (despite being the supposed sole site sponsor here so Evolve got buisness without contributing as we do). However that not the point the deal was done, it was a good deal for the members here so I left it.

Independantly from that we have been having a long conversation (dating back to early Jan at Autosport) in the ECP wanted to sell the manifiold and we said we would do it if we could sort the right terms. We were at the end of this negotiation when this happened. When I heard I said to Christian (who was handling the negotiation on our behalf) that I had no interest in dealing with a supplier who competed with its own retailers (in this case Evolve) and that we should pull out, which we did. ECP came back saying the price sorted was 'unauthorised' and it wouldnt happen again. That was currently how we left it, I was told you got your exhaust which was fair enough and I wasn't about to spend the time sorting a GB for the forum here when someone had already approached Evolve so I left it.

If they supplied you an exhaust for a cheap price (lets be clear here, the price you paid is actually less than I pay as a retailer!) so you should get your exhaust, which is a point I will make to ECP on Tuesday (I'm off Monday).

My plan on Tuesday is to speak to ECP to find out what happened and resolve it so everyone can get a good deal or walk away.

As regards your comment on 'keeping quiet', well I'll reserve my comment until after I've spoken to ECP, if the price was dodgy then you may have just got lucky which is fair enough, if ECP pricing model is sell below what they sell to retailers at then also fair enough but it means retailers like us will refuse to supply it, will refuse to work with it and develop other tuning around it and frandkly will refuse to offer advice about its use.

Lets see what they say on Tuesday, my hope is that they are willing to sort a deal for everyone.

[Mark CSL]

Thanks for the reply John i would be pissed if i sold items and the suppler sold them cheaper than i got them for as a retailer :banghead:

Lets hope this all gets sorted and matt can still get the deal they had said to him :whistle:

[shimmy]

ECP came back saying the price sorted was 'unauthorised' and it wouldnt happen again. .

John

What is the defenition of price fixing in retail and does this come close to it (i guess i cant expect you to answer that!)

[Thorney]

John

What is the defenition of price fixing in retail and does this come close to it (i guess i cant expect you to answer that!)

No idea mate, as I said this is the first I've heard of it, I dont understand the term 'unauthorised' which is my main concern. RRP is fine as its just recommended, but if the distie is selling at less than we pay as a retailer then we might as well not sell it.

Frustrating thing for me generally is that I spend about 4hrs a day on the phone/on forums giving advice and a high proportion of that information is just taken and people then go and buy from the cheapest place they can - human nature I guess. For example, I'm pretty sure the guy at ECP wouldnt be able to give advice about O2 sensors when fitting SS exhausts, or the effect on warranty in the case of a map, or what tracks in the UK you'd be OK driving on for noise etc etc. But its the way of the World I guess.

[mattCSLnut]

John

What is the defenition of price fixing in retail and does this come close to it (i guess i cant expect you to answer that!)


"Price Fixing" is highly illegal as BMW & B.A. (both huge multi-international companies) found out few years ago. Both were sued for "P.F." and lost, big time. :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

Just so we are clear over this, the supply of your exhaust was not something we had any interest in, indeed Evolve set a price, that was a good price so I left it (despite being the supposed sole site sponsor here so Evolve got buisness without contributing as we do). However that not the point the deal was done, it was a good deal for the members here so I left it.

Independantly from that we have been having a long conversation (dating back to early Jan at Autosport) in the ECP wanted to sell the manifiold and we said we would do it if we could sort the right terms. We were at the end of this negotiation when this happened. When I heard I said to Christian (who was handling the negotiation on our behalf) that I had no interest in dealing with a supplier who competed with its own retailers (in this case Evolve) and that we should pull out, which we did. ECP came back saying the price sorted was 'unauthorised' and it wouldnt happen again. That was currently how we left it, I was told you got your exhaust which was fair enough and I wasn't about to spend the time sorting a GB for the forum here when someone had already approached Evolve so I left it.

If they supplied you an exhaust for a cheap price (lets be clear here, the price you paid is actually less than I pay as a retailer!) so you should get your exhaust, which is a point I will make to ECP on Tuesday (I'm off Monday).

My plan on Tuesday is to speak to ECP to find out what happened and resolve it so everyone can get a good deal or walk away.

As regards your comment on 'keeping quiet', well I'll reserve my comment until after I've spoken to ECP, if the price was dodgy then you may have just got lucky which is fair enough, if ECP pricing model is sell below what they sell to retailers at then also fair enough but it means retailers like us will refuse to supply it, will refuse to work with it and develop other tuning around it and frandkly will refuse to offer advice about its use.

Lets see what they say on Tuesday, my hope is that they are willing to sort a deal for everyone.

No idea mate, as I said this is the first I've heard of it, I dont understand the term 'unauthorised' which is my main concern. RRP is fine as its just recommended, but if the distie is selling at less than we pay as a retailer then we might as well not sell it.

Frustrating thing for me generally is that I spend about 4hrs a day on the phone/on forums giving advice and a high proportion of that information is just taken and people then go and buy from the cheapest place they can - human nature I guess. For example, I'm pretty sure the guy at ECP wouldnt be able to give advice about O2 sensors when fitting SS exhausts, or the effect on warranty in the case of a map, or what tracks in the UK you'd be OK driving on for noise etc etc. But its the way of the World I guess.


Happens to us all the time John, you do the leg work, work to get a good deal as a retailer only to find the supplier selling for same price to joe public, that they sell to you for, even though you do the leg work, promote item, give advice recommendations and general product support for item:banghead:

Think they just generally use retailer as a free advert, and free product support, advice line,

Unfortunately John, this is the trouble with the medium of internet, everything becomes transparent.

PS hows the slag coming on,

[alexk]

Frustrating thing for me generally is that I spend about 4hrs a day on the phone/on forums giving advice and a high proportion of that information is just taken and people then go and buy from the cheapest place they can - human nature I guess.

Hi John,

I think the most challenging thing for a customer when dealing with you is the response times.
Unfortunately, I cannot call everyday to ask for car parts (thus the pms and emails).
It feels bad when no one replies (for 1-2-10 days / other than I will sort this out) and it's coming to a point that I feel that I am begging a company to sell me stuff.

I guess I have to sell the front APs and stick with the OEM ones.

[shimmy]

I guess I have to sell the front APs and stick with the OEM ones.


Alex

What are your trying to do with the brakes?

[Thorney]

Alex, PM sent.

Ref the SS deal, I'm working on it but obviously I dont control the distribution so am at the mercy of others on this.

[mattCSLnut]

Alex, PM sent.

Ref the SS deal, I'm working on it but obviously I dont control the distribution so am at the mercy of others on this.

There are five in stock @ Euro Car Parts Depo. in Wembley (one of which has a big dent on one of the tips) so where 's the problem ? :whistle:

[$w!ft]

I just received mine today, going to be fitted next week!

[mattCSLnut]

I just received mine today, going to be fitted next week!


So who did U get your from in the end and how much was it? PM if u prefer :whistle:

[Thorney]

There are five in stock @ Euro Car Parts Depo. in Wembley (one of which has a big dent on one of the tips) so where 's the problem ? :whistle:

I'm trying to see if they will honour the price you got for everyone who wants one here thats all.

[mattCSLnut]

I'm trying to see if they will honour the price you got for everyone who wants one here thats all.


Hmmm... I spoke to ECP Cambridge today, trying to sound them out on a good price but they can't / won't / whatever match the price they've previously promised me, after all the Booing from U guys :whistle:

[Thorney]

Do you want me to help or not?

As I said, we did not 'boo' as you put it.

I'm trying to help but if all you want to do is have a go at me then I'll give up.

[mattCSLnut]

Do you want me to help or not?

As I said, we did not 'boo' as you put it.

I'm trying to help but if all you want to do is have a go at me then I'll give up.
Hi John... I'm not having a go at U ... just saying it as it is... Please don't take offence, it's nothing personal :beer:

[shane@mbtech]

Hi John... I'm not having a go at U ... just saying it as it is... Please don't take offence, it's nothing personal :beer:

Matt you are strange, you keep hounding john, to get the exhaust for the price ecp quoted you, You asked if I could get it, yes I could for cheaper, but you are still hounding John.:gayfight::gayfight::bigcry::bigcry:

[mattCSLnut]

Matt you are strange, you keep hounding john, to get the exhaust for the price ecp quoted you, You asked if I could get it, yes I could for cheaper, but you are still hounding John.:gayfight::gayfight::bigcry::bigcry:

That's rich coming from U Lawsy :gayfight: :blalalala: So how come U can do it cheaper then everyone else (without peeing of Evolve or Thorney) yet ECP can't :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

That's rich coming from U Lawsy :gayfight: :blalalala: So how come U can do it cheaper then everyone else (without peeing of Evolve or Thorney) yet ECP can't :whistle:

Did you not grasp what John has told you, :banghead::banghead:

Thats the difference between Me and you, I know when to keep my business to myself.

[alexk]

I just got a quote from a Tuner in Milano for 1.165 GBP this morning.
I met the guy in Monza.

Shall I ask him for a quote for 5 pieces ?

[shimmy]

I just got a quote from a Tuner in Milano for 1.165 GBP this morning.
I met the guy in Monza.

Shall I ask him for a quote for 5 pieces ?

postage willmake this expensive alex!

you should be able to get them for £1000 or less as they make them there and no transport costs:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

I just got a quote from a Tuner in Milano for 1.165 GBP this morning.
I met the guy in Monza.

Shall I ask him for a quote for 5 pieces ?


That sounds familiar ;) I'll be in Locarno in the summer so could pop down to Milano (only an hour away) and collect. I wonder if we could get these straight from the factory in Italy and for what price ? Nothing like getting it direct ;) There I go, thinking out loud again :whistle:

[shimmy]

That sounds familiar ;) I'll be in Locarno in the summer so could pop down to Milano (only an hour away) and collect. I wonder if we could get these straight from the factory in Italy and for what price ? Nothing like getting it direct ;) There I go, thinking out loud again :whistle:



:smt100

[mattCSLnut]

Did you not grasp what John has told you, :banghead::banghead:

Thats the difference between Me and you, I know when to keep my business to myself.
Relax Lawsy :goodman: you'll give yourself chest pain :hahaha:

[Thorney]

I have a meeting with ECP next week about it. They are adamant (and have forwarded me the internal email chain about it) that the price was unauthorised and (frankly) they are pretty upset that any of their people was doing such a thing. However, I've pointed out that there are a few members here who are interested in buying the exhausts and wouldnt it be nice to sort a deal for members here as a result. I'm doing my best.

[glendog74]

Good news then - maybe...

Hopefully the boys can still get a good deal of sorts for an exhaust solution and the handbags can finally be put away :whistle:

[shimmy]

ill be glad when this thread ends happily :smokin:

[alexk]

I got quoted today from a dealer in Germany (brace yourselves !!!)...


....

950 euros
I will ask now for discount for 5 :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

I got quoted today from a dealer in Germany (brace yourselves !!!)...


....

950 euros
I will ask now for discount for 5 :whistle:

That's an excellent price Alex :thumbs: ... I'll be more then happy to drive to Germany and collect it :whistle:

[Bounce]

I got quoted today from a dealer in Germany (brace yourselves !!!)...


....

950 euros
I will ask now for discount for 5 :whistle:Here we go again.:hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

Here we go again.:hahaha:
It's like stepping on dog s**t :hahaha:

[alexk]

Guys,

I am afraid I rushed a bit.
Please let me confirm that and delivery costs and I will update you.

In the meantime, consider this quote as non-existent.

Sorry for creating confusion.

[glendog74]

:smt120 Right, gonna have to lock this thread soon... :smt074

[alexk]

Rob, can you pls delete my last posts please untill I can confirm something and leave this one ?

[glendog74]

Rob, can you pls delete my last posts please untill I can confirm something and leave this one ?

I think it would be more confusing if i did that as people have already quoted your earlier post in their replies - and i wont delete theirs too!

[Thorney]

lol, look I'll have the meeting if only to clear up what/how ECP works but I'm not going to get dragged into a price war.

[Nords]

Very long story m8... if you're really interested I'll pm U the details, away from the lurking eyes of a certain member on here (they know who they are ) who spoiled the whole deal, not only for me but all the others I was trying to keep informed about the great deal Euro Car Parts were offering on the Supersprint RACE lightweight back box. I've never had such difficulty spending £1200 in my life :hahaha: Silly old me :clown: for trying to share useful information that would have benefited many others wanting a good deal. I guess I should have kept my mouth shut, gone behind every ones back and not mentioned a thing about it, but I didn't think that was the spirit of this forum :whistle:

Not having read this thread before (as I'm happy with my std exhaust), I'm really surprised. I wondered how it had run to 18 odd pages and I can see why. Do we really think we can play off distributers against importers and it not all go pear shaped?

There is an element of using a group buy to wangle the max discount for the item you're after and then for people after the same thing, but people have to make a living and margins will be small. I read the comments above as directed at John too and unfairly really; he has to run a business (and is sponsoring this site), any apologies in the making?

:whistle:

[AlexGTT]

Totally agree with Nords. What a sh*t way of doing business lads.

Sort it out, please.

[shane@mbtech]

:smt120 Right, gonna have to lock this thread soon... :smt074

Just lock and load Rob,

This must be the most pointless thread ever:banghead:, with Matt pussying about, it will just run on and on. FFS he pm'd me to ask if I could still get him the exhaust, I said YES and it was cheaper than his ECP price, and he is still hounding John to get it cheaper:banghead:

I tried to help out a fellow member, in future I will be selective in who I try to help.

[glendog74]

Ok, i think this has run its course now - not much point in it dragging on... :smt005