E30 m3

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Some Pics of the E30 M3.

Had problems loading, so just
to make sure this works will load
more later.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[7.77]

humm, i'm really fan of the M3 E30. i had one for trackdays, fitted with a 3.2/6 speed gearbox, groupe A front and rear axle etc...... a real beast.

my ex car is about to be fitted with a compressor, and about to be full welded caged and welded body.

some of my friends are building dtm replicas (not only stickers;)), but with big s14 engine, fully welded body/cage, big front and rear axle....

i sold mine to get a csl, but i think about my E30 each day :sad:.
this is it (and me:smokin:, making love my car)

http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/11/05/96/93/img_5510.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=271&u=11059693)

http://i14.servimg.com/u/f14/11/05/96/93/p1030217.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=22&u=11059693)

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/11/05/96/93/p1040628.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=112&u=11059693)

where is your car now ?

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

7.77 - I had a road E30 M3 with the S50 B32 / 6 Speed etc.

Very quick car, and with the 3.73 rear LSD it was as quick
as a CSL on the motorway, thats for sure.

I have a 2.5 S14 DTM engine here which is making around
350 BHP 8 Injector, 50 mm Slides, Inconnel Header all the
correct bits which I am going to sell, so if any of your
colleagues are interested please let me know.

My Car is in the Garage at the moment, having the
pressure relief valve on the dry sump pump renewed.

Nice E30 M3 you had there, did you move the engine back
at all ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

More pics, hopefully !!

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Ade]

Ah, this old chestnut... the E30. Here's mine before I got rid... was too nice/clean to drive and get dust on it! Was totally sorted with 284 cams etc and spotless/pristine bodywork. A great handling car, but in reality an old and slow car that felt fragile.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/adrienong/H945%20POF/P1050776.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/adrienong/H945%20POF/P1050871.jpg

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Last pics for now.

Ade- nothing slow and fragile about this E30.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Last pics do not seem to want to load,
last try.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Ade]

Hi,

Last pics for now.

Ade- nothing slow and fragile about this E30.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

I'm sure it is far from slow given the state of tune! And not sure it's an E30! (actually not really tune, but more like rebuilt-into-a-racecar-with-a-slightly-non-standard-E46M3-engine! )

Looks great though!
:beer:

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

Last pics do not seem to want to load,
last try.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Ohhh Dear :smt055 ... I'm getting that MOIST feeling :drool: :drool: :drool:
No words to describe you machine :supz:

[Bealo]

Looking good :thumbs:

[csl_mba]

Love the car Gorilla :beer:


Not too keen on that spoiler though (i know its practical, but can you get a better looking practical one ;) )

[AlexGTT]

Very nice Gorilla! More details and pictures? Very interested. :thumbs:

[glendog74]

Awesome looking machine! I bet it sounds fantastic with those side exit exhausts!:smt055:supz:

Don't listen to Mark (csl_mba) about the spoiler, he doesn't have a clue and is only a 'guest' here... :clown:










I think he used to own a CSL at some point - allegedly... :whistle:

[7.77]

the engine was in the standard position (no back move), but the dampers were modified to cope with the weight of the engine.

with a standard front axle, there was only understeering at high speed/corner.....and with the right front axle, it was great.

it was also a road car :whistle:, so i sold it after a new law in france, where policemen could now take your car and sell it (and keep the money) if it isn't as registered (no modification allowed or possible).

it had a 3.91 final ration with 80% lsd. quick as a rabbit doing things with his female. quarter mile in 13.1 (with traction prob at low gear ), and a 1000 m (0.6 mile in 23.6 seconds), it was as quick as a csl from 0 to 140 mile/hour. miss it !!

please let me know when sell something, i can send a message on the french M3 E30 message board.:beer:

some over pictures:

http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/05/96/93/img_1610.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=128&u=11059693)

http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/11/05/96/93/img_5610.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=137&u=11059693)

http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/11/05/96/93/p1050920.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=237&u=11059693)

http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/11/05/96/93/p1070110.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=257&u=11059693)

some of my friends:

http://mteam72.free.fr/meeting_S14_motorsport_2009/meeting_paris/_MG_1641r.jpg



http://mteam72.free.fr/meeting_S14_motorsport_2009/meeting_paris/_MG_1648r.jpg

[csl_mba]

Awesome looking machine! I bet it sounds fantastic with those side exit exhausts!:smt055:supz:

Don't listen to Mark (csl_mba) about the spoiler, he doesn't have a clue and is only a 'guest' here... :clown:

I think he used to own a CSL at some point - allegedly... :whistle:

:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:


Sweet looking motors thre 7.77 :beer:

[El_Gordo]

[/URL]

(http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=128&u=11059693)
That has given me a bonk on.


[URL="http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=257&u=11059693"] (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=237&u=11059693)


http://mteam72.free.fr/meeting_S14_motorsport_2009/meeting_paris/_MG_1641r.jpg

[7.77]

Gorilla, if you are looking to a complete rear dtm axle (the one totally welded) , a friend of mine wants to sell his dtm rear axle, with also proflex dampers

[phat///M3]

Love the E30, need to get one, one day.

[phat///M3]

That has given me a bonk on.





http://mteam72.free.fr/meeting_S14_motorsport_2009/meeting_paris/_MG_1641r.jpg


Sexy time :whistle:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

More pics of the S54 E30 M3, and a couple
of the RHD E30 M3 S50B32/ 6 speed which I have just sold
to a chap in Hong Kong.

7.77 - I will get back to you on the DTM Parts, as the car is
currently running Z3M Couple rear arms,
much larger rear bearings and larger rear hubs, which
have been strengthend, and have had the coilover
pickup moved upto the top, and the diff has been
raised 40mm within the rear axle, so as to
improve the Ramp angle etc.

I will be in touch with you.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

More pics.

Regards,

The Gorilla

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Pics.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[alexk]

So interesting thread !

Well done Gorilla, amazing driving machine !!!
:thumbs:

[phat///M3]

Both cars look great, really like the one you've just sold :thumbs:

Whats sitting on the left?

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=798&stc=1&d=1255108918

[glendog74]

Superb cars Gorilla - do you make a habit of doing E30's up and selling on? I neeeed to buy one soon! :thumbs:

[glendog74]

That has given me a bonk on.

http://mteam72.free.fr/meeting_S14_motorsport_2009/meeting_paris/_MG_1641r.jpg

I think i just leaked a little wee in my pants :drool: :smt055

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Guys, many thanks for the compliments,
not sure there deserved.

Phat///m3- That's my CSL [aka, The Shed]

Glendog74- I went through a E30 M3 phase,
also just sold my S14 E30 M3 genuine UK
Car that was one of the Birds, Original RHD conversions,
thats gone to HK as well.

I can certainly offer some pointers etc when
your ready to do something, and have some
useful contacts for parts etc.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

M8 ! THANK YOU for showing us the pix :thumbs: I'm into my 10th hour of having that MOIST moment from earlier on :drool: :drool: :drool: somebody HELP !

[AlexGTT]

Hi Gorilla. Lovely stuff. Any pics of your CSL and mods you have done?

[glendog74]

Glendog74- I went through a E30 M3 phase,
also just sold my S14 E30 M3 genuine UK
Car that was one of the Birds, Original RHD conversions,
thats gone to HK as well.

I can certainly offer some pointers etc when
your ready to do something, and have some
useful contacts for parts etc.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Thank you :beer:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

AlexGTT- Here are some pics of my CSL.

You may know the car and its previous owner ?

Its been in the Primates den now for about 2 years.

The Cars original spec is on the Simpson Website.

When it arrived the following was undertaken to
what had already been done-

The Drexler Diff with 3.91 ratio was refitted.

The A/C was deleted and removed.

Pollen filtre and tray removed so that plugs and coils
can be accessed in a few mins.

Bremi Coils removed and X5 4.8IS ones fitted [there not Bremi]

Diff oil cooler/pump fitted on MCB

Gearbox oil cooler/pump fitted on MCB

Steering Tie rods changed to rod ends with 'Bump' kit.

Front ARB Adjustable drop links fitted

Rear ARB Adjustable drop links fitted

Shore 90 Gearbox mounts fitted

55 degree Water stat fitted

Engine oil to water heat exchanger fitted

Oil Stat set down to 95 degrees for oil cooler.

About another 15 Kilos was removed.

Plans are to run it for another 6-12 months and then
maybe upgrade the engine/box, if you have ever driven
a Proper E46 GTR V8 short stroke then you will know why.

Or sell it move on and do something else.

I only use it for Track days and the odd blast now and then.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Last pics for now, the old Primates
mits are getting sore.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[_Nathan_]

One of Tony's old cars :D

[glendog74]

Superb! Beemers seem a theme in the primates den then? Is that an old 5/7 Series in the last pic?

Nice work :thumbs:

[alexk]

Gorilla, you got an extreme CSL.
I remember the chats in mtorque about the M3 GTR, I am sure you were talking about the race version.

I have one question. I see CF strut brace.
Why you switched to CF aftermarket ? The original one is aluminium and the weight is not so bad.

Cheers

[AlexGTT]

Ah ha, yes I do know that car. Well know Simpson build.:thumbs:Extreme CSL indeed.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Nathan- Correct.

Glendog74- It was the first ever E34 M5 into the UK.

I purchased it new via a Colleague in Germany, Wissenfels BMW
in Montabaur, Dec 89, it was brought to the UK in Jan 90, when it went
for its first service the BMW Dealer could not do it, as they did
not have any tools, as M5's were not available in the UK till
about Mar/Apr 90 if I remember.

It was actually RHD but the chassis number said it was LHD because
they were not available in the UK.

Best Car I have ever owned. Sold it about a year ago.
Still regret it some.

130,000 miles, never missed a beat, and would sit at 130
on the motorw.. sorry Autobahn all day long.

AlexK- it was on the car when I got it, but it is much
quicker to remove in part, than the standard version.

AlexGTT- Thought you might know the Car.
I much prefer it with the Vanos deleted and the Simtis Re-Map
so long as you keep it up above 5500/6000 rpm, its point
and squirt.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[trackm3]

Hi danny, long time, tell me the E30'S nearly done ? not many guys on the old forum anymore do you ever look on there ?

Martin

[phat///M3]

I thought I recognised it from the pic where you can barely see it in the garage. :thumbs:

[Andyk]

http://mteam72.free.fr/meeting_S14_motorsport_2009/meeting_paris/_MG_1641r.jpg





God I'm with you on that one Glendog....That really makes me want to buy another E30....

Stunning...thanks for sharing.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Martin- long time no hear.

I heard that you had sold or were selling your E36 Track Car ?

Yes, the E30 M3 is complete, all been dynoed, etc.

I would love to know how the V8 Judd engined white
Swedish E30 M3 performs, as the engine in that car
is about 40kg lighter, 100 BHP more, and even further
back than a S14 4 pot sits.

What are you plans then if the E36 has gone or going then ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

The Guy in HK sent me this
pic of the E30 M3 S50 B32 6 speed
when it arrived at the docks.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

COOLEST looking car in the car park :drool: :thumbs: Those wheels make it for me :drool: what are they ?

[phat///M3]

COOLEST looking car in the car park :drool: :thumbs: Those wheels make it for me :drool: what are they ?

BBS RC not sure on the specs though.

[mattCSLnut]

Mmmmmmmmmmm :drool: :drool: :drool:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

MattCSLnut - yes there BBS RC Motorsport Edition.

Took me ages to find a set as they are no longer made.

There were 8.5 x 18 et 15 with 225 35 18 fronts
and 245 30 18 rears.

They are like the CSL wheels but have more dish'
due to their offset.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

Whatever U do... DON'T send any close up pix of them... that'll tip me over the edge :drool: :smt055

[NZ_M3]

Very nice Gorilla!!

I remember seeing photos of both of those cars on another forum (can't remember which now) ... never connected the two until now .. AWESOME!!

Have you thought about running the Drenth in the CSL??? Be quite a beast I'd imagine (much like the Simpsons' other CSL racecar that they sold a while back).


Bremi Coils removed and X5 4.8IS ones fitted [there not Bremi

What's the advantage of this if you don't mind me asking??

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

NZ_M3- On the coils, the early Bremi ones were
well known for breaking down, after only a few
thousand miles.

Causing all sorts of issues.

The X5 4.8is ones are common to quite a few BMW's,
I will see if I can dig out the part number.

They are not made by Bremi, and when I compared them to some
Okada Plasma Coils which I run in the E30 M3/S54 the BMW
ones were almost as good, for about a tenth of the money.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[_Nathan_]

I run the other make of coils too, sensible move.

[Bealo]

CAR PORN or what? :thumbs:

I'm loving the old school E30 with the CSL engine in mmm.....

[MichCSL]

very nice projects...did you do the work all by yourself? Good luck with the cars on the road/track

[monkeycsl]

im in bmw heaven :smt055

[mattCSLnut]

Me too... :drool: Full ON uncensored, Hard Core CarNography :drool: :thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Confession time, said the the E34 M5 was the
best car I ever owned.

As an all rounder, yes.

The one that put the biggest smile on the
Primates face was this one, apart from
when it was serviced etc !!!

Digital cameras where not really
around so these were taken by a
colleague outside his home.

All his neighbours complained as it
had a Race Exhaust, and all their
windows vibrated when you revved
it up.

Get it right and you would be smiling
all day long, get it wrong and your Bank
Manager woul be smiling for months.

Did about 5,000 miles, [700 ish on Track] in
around 14 months and then sold it, as you always
had the feeling that a real big moment was
just around the next corner.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Couple more pics of the Red Beast.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[AlexGTT]

Very nice Gorilla. Now I see how the links to Simpson's were formed. :smokin:

[trackm3]

Danny, i fancy going back to my roots and building a classic race car most likely to be either a 64/5 Falcon Sprint or a 64-66 Mustang just fancy a change so the E36 is up for grabs if you know anyone £14k with spares add fire system and its ready to race.

Glad to hear the cars moving on last time i heard you were having nightmares getting SPA sensors etc ?

let me know when its out on rack would love to pop down ;)

Martin



Hi,

Martin- long time no hear.

I heard that you had sold or were selling your E36 Track Car ?

Yes, the E30 M3 is complete, all been dynoed, etc.

I would love to know how the V8 Judd engined white
Swedish E30 M3 performs, as the engine in that car
is about 40kg lighter, 100 BHP more, and even further
back than a S14 4 pot sits.

What are you plans then if the E36 has gone or going then ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

Hi,

Some Pics of the E30 M3.

Had problems loading, so just
to make sure this works will load
more later.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Mr Gorilla - do you happen to have any updates on your rather nice E30? :smt055

[trackm3]

I think Danny is now building a merc 190 dtm replica ? Danny come and confirm this ?

[Dan]

I think Danny is now building a merc 190 dtm replica ? Danny come and confirm this ?

I used to know of someone who had one of those but an original race car, not a replica, saw it run once, was incredible! :smokin:

[trackm3]

I used to know of someone who had one of those but an original race car, not a replica, saw it run once, was incredible! :smokin:


Dan when Danny builds a car trust me it will be near to exact so im looking forward to seing it finished, they where a superb car in there day and deffo the best years of the dtm.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Glendog- Yes, E30 M3 its all done but,
decided to take the Drenth out
as it was fantastic on ''Track '' but a
right nightmare for almost everything else.

2.33 1st gear with the twin plate clutch
got interesting when moving it about.

Have now gone back to a Getrag M3
5 Speed dogleg, which is OK,
but its a little bit short on 1st at 4.22 with
a 3.73 CW/p.

Just wish I had time to use it more.

TrackM3- No the plans for the DTM merc
have been changed, as getting parts was
becoming stupid.
Merc never did customer 190 cars like BMW
on the E30 M3, so getting DTM Merc parts
was far more difficult than I had hoped, and
when you do find parts, they make S14
parts seem very cheap !!

The Merc 190 Klasse 1, 94 build, is the beast.
Makes a CSL feel slow !!

It does not help though that Stuttgart does not
even have EVO Cranks,Blocks,Pistons etc,
available anymore, and charges 500 euro
for just the Evo headgasket, not set,
so the plans changed a little.

Should be interesting when done though,
as its now more road focused.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shane@mbtech]

Hi,

Glendog- Yes, E30 M3 its all done but,
decided to take the Drenth out
as it was fantastic on ''Track '' but a
right nightmare for almost everything else.

2.33 1st gear with the twin plate clutch
got interesting when moving it about.

Have now gone back to a Getrag M3
5 Speed dogleg, which is OK,
but its a little bit short on 1st at 4.22 with
a 3.73 CW/p.

Just wish I had time to use it more.

TrackM3- No the plans for the DTM merc
have been changed, as getting parts was
becoming stupid.
Merc never did customer 190 cars like BMW
on the E30 M3, so getting DTM Merc parts
was far more difficult than I had hoped, and
when you do find parts, they make S14
parts seem very cheap !!

The Merc 190 Klasse 1, 94 build, is the beast.
Makes a CSL feel slow !!

It does not help though that Stuttgart does not
even have EVO Cranks,Blocks,Pistons etc,
available anymore, and charges 500 euro
for just the Evo headgasket, not set,
so the plans changed a little.

Should be interesting when done though,
as its now more road focused.


Regards,

The Gorilla.


Keep me updated on the merc, I own a merc specialist garage. :thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Thought I would post this up,
as it explains that era in
Motorsport more than words
ever can.

Music not to everyones taste though !!

Its what the ''Ring'' should be used for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qaoVjw-qBI

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[toofastforyou]

quality video:thumbs:

[glendog74]

Thanks for the update 'The Gorilla' :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Pure 80's Auto Filth :drool: :drool: :drool:
LOVE it :smt055 THANX Gorilla :thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Yes its an excellent video.

Lawsy- will post some pics up
in the next few days of the
old Merc 190.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Loaded]

Hi,

Some Pics of the E30 M3.

Had problems loading, so just
to make sure this works will load
more later.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Do me a favour. Change the rear spoiler with the original's Sport Evo... Thanks a lot!

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote-

''Do me a favour. Change the rear spoiler with the original's Sport Evo... Thanks a lot!''

Hi Loaded, what, so its slower ?

The Car was built to perform, not appear in glossy Mags.

The ''ITC'' rear wing provides very good rear down force
without the enormus 'drag' of the EVO Sport rear spoiler
fitted with Flap.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Loaded]

Hi,

Quote-

''Do me a favour. Change the rear spoiler with the original's Sport Evo... Thanks a lot!''

Hi Loaded, what, so its slower ?

The Car was built to perform, not appear in glossy Mags.

The ''ITC'' rear wing provides very good rear down force
without the enormus 'drag' of the EVO Sport rear spoiler
fitted with Flap.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Hi Gorilla. My friend i didn't tell it to put it in glossy Mags, but in my opinion i believe that the rear spoiler with the flap in the maximum position can provide a lot of downforce but i can not imagine how much of it compared with the ITC..

always friendly

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Loaded- I was not arguing, just pointing
out that in 93/94 and thereafter, where the rules allowed
most E30 M3' s and the Merc EVO's ran the ITC
rear wing as it gives better downforce with less
drag.

If you look at the designs you will see how this
is achieved.

The Evo Sport rear spoiler with the extended Gurney
flap, there are 2 versions, creates something like
11% more drag than downforce.

So your slowing the car down to make rear end
downforce.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Loaded]

Ok, i believe you're right.. I saw an ex DTM Merc evo with ITC rear wing but i is in Austria i think. European Hill Climb championship....


Regards

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Are you talking about the ''Meisle'' 190
with the Judd F1 Engine ?

His rear wing has somewhat grown over the
years, bit like a an ''ITC' on stilts.

http://www.garage-meisel.ch/index.php?id=19

He has a Judd engine just like Georg Plasa
use to have in his E36, but now runs
a BMW 1 series with the engine.

The link below gives a fascinating insight to
the development and build of the car.

http://www.134judd.com/fahrzeug.html

This is the Georg Plasa E36 in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5gi6cSXxQ

Here is the E36, and the 1 Series is rummored
to be a lot quicker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iroPHHj74Fk

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Loaded]

Hello Gorilla. No i'm not talking about ''Meisle'' 190.. The Merc i saw was in blue and light grey livery... and was having the same ITC as you.... Amazing the E36... I'm speechless.... ;-)

[glendog74]

Great videos Mr Gorilla :supz:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Glendog- its another world just wish
I could find it.

Loaded- I think you might have seen
Markus Westefeld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rhz_oH4eNA&feature=related

His Evo 2 was Blue / Grey and it has been
uprated to a full Klasse 1 spec this
year, now painted Black and White in
the Sonax livery.

http://www.wuestefeld-motorsport.de/wuestefeld-daten/images/phocathumblimg5058.jpg

This clip is on board when it was Evo 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IgIjULsYec

Its a very quick Car, which has just got a lot quicker
with the full upgrade to Klasse 1 specification.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

Great stuff! :thumbs:

Never been a great fan of Mercedes but i've always loved the E190 racer cars :thumbs:

[Loaded]

Hi,

Glendog- its another world just wish
I could find it.

Loaded- I think you might have seen
Markus Westefeld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rhz_oH4eNA&feature=related

His Evo 2 was Blue / Grey and it has been
uprated to a full Klasse 1 spec this
year, now painted Black and White in
the Sonax livery.

http://www.wuestefeld-motorsport.de/wuestefeld-daten/images/phocathumblimg5058.jpg

This clip is on board when it was Evo 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IgIjULsYec

Its a very quick Car, which has just got a lot quicker
with the full upgrade to Klasse 1 specification.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Gorilla yes.. This is the car which i saw years ago..... Yes.... !!

[Dan]

Amazing video's! :smokin: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[chrisburns]

That thing sounds like a bike :thumbs: Awesome :drool:

[AlexGTT]

Stunning. Keep them coming.:thumbs:

Any of the new 1 series in action yet?

[Bounce]

Stunning. Keep them coming.:thumbs:

Any of the new 1 series in action yet?+1 keep em coming.:thumbs:

[E30M3SE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlMZ_v7rJs8

[englebert]

What an awesome thread...

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

There's Drifting and then there is ''Drifting''.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnpQfd7PGI


Regards,


The Gorilla.

[s.mac]

did well to get to the end on one set of tyres :hahaha:

[Bounce]

so thats who dunc gets his cups from.:hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

More back on topic-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwkDODWIb_o


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

E30 M3 2.5ltr 360 BHP which
will rev past ''8400 rpm'' [sic] !!!!!!

Ultra smooth Ring lap as well.

And very quick at 7.37 secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2so44aMp90g

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[DuncanR]

Hi,

More back on topic-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwkDODWIb_o


Regards,

The Gorilla.
Great vid, I know those roads in the IOM , i was there only yesterday !
@ Bounce yes , thats where I got my tyres ! ..and all I can say is he was lucky there was nothing coming down the hill !

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Some glorious old footage of
the BMW 320 ''BOXES'' .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GwFCMH6RE&feature=autoplay&list=PL51DDBF709FABEEFB&index=4&playnext=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIdTiZ4iYuc&NR=1


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Bit more up to date.

Michale Funke BMW M3 V8
mixing it with the Stuttgart VW's.

I do not believe this is a ''works''
car either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8lrSY-mJ-E&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[billy-m3cutters]

Amazing thread gorilla.


Thanks for the vids, really enjoyable to watch.

[glendog74]

Hi,

Bit more up to date.

Michale Funke BMW M3 V8
mixing it with the Stuttgart VW's.

I do not believe this is a ''works''
car either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8lrSY-mJ-E&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Quality - some nice overtakes too :thumbs:

[glendog74]

I love the Z4 GT3 too - Rich (Flatout) will be pleased!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z78jN3oG0Gs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCRDas9OM-0

[outnumbered]

I love the Z4 GT3 too - Rich (Flatout) will be pleased!


I just watched that VLN lap with the volume turned right up :thumbs:... bloody hell, those guys have balls of steel. Pretty robust defending by the GT3RSs.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

This is the Erich Edlinger 320 BMW
which use to be Yellow / Blue.

Its had some upgrades !!!!

Not sure if he is still running the
Indy Car engine which is/was
just so fucking brutal it would make
your ears bleed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UAYubSJ5to&feature=grec_index

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

This is the Erich Edlinger 320 BMW
which use to be Yellow / Blue.

Its had some upgrades !!!!

Not sure if he is still running the
Indy Car engine which is/was
just so fucking brutal it would make
your ears bleed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UAYubSJ5to&feature=grec_index

Regards,

The Gorilla.
:thumbs: Sounds awesome :supz: What sort of engine capacity & power are we talking about here ?

[shimmy]

:thumbs: Sounds awesome :supz: What sort of engine capacity & power are we talking about here ?

Iirc isn't it a Judd v8 550bhp

[mattCSLnut]

Iirc isn't it a Judd v8 550bhp
:shock: ..... :drool: ..... :smt055 .... if you're right

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

The Team is owned by Erich Edlinger who
was a Driver in the DTM.

I know that Georg Plasa BMW 134 and
Retro Misele Merc 190 both use
V8 Judds.

The Judd engined Cars are circa 550 plus

The Erich Edlinger car [320 BMW]
runs a IRL 3.5 V8 Engine [Indy Racing League]
which is a N/A V8 that rev to around 10.5k.

Indy Cars in the States use Methonal which is terrible stuff
if it ignites.

The Double wishbone Suspension on the Car
is a work of art.

Look at his Web site its really interesting and
goes into the deatails of the Car.

http://www.team-edlinger.com/Racecar/Racecar1.php

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

The Double wishbone Suspension on the Car
is a work of art.

Look at his Web site its really interesting and
goes into the deatails of the Car.

http://www.team-edlinger.com/Racecar/Racecar1.php

Regards,

The Gorilla.
Liking the BREMBO anchoring solutions with Ceramic discs :smt055 http://www.team-edlinger.com/Racecar/Racecar9.php + the suspension, as the Primate mentions is a work of Art :thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Sad News that Georg Plasa, JUDD 134 Owner and
Driver was killed in a High Speed Hill Climb
event in Italy this weekend.

The Impact according to early reports was
so hard that some of the Roll Cage tubing actually
snapped.

http://www.rietilife.it/?p=10676

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/104...-al-terminillo

He always puts a smile on my face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC1v6fr7x8Y

Condolences to all his family.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[AlexGTT]

Thanks for the up-date Gorilla. That is very sad news. He built two of my favourite race cars. He and the 134 will be horribly missed. R.I.P.:(

[DuncanR]

Sad to hear of the loss ... died doing what he loved though

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

It seems in these pics that the
Roll Cage has at least bent, and
there are reports that some
Tubes are broke or snapped
in the impact.

Car impounded by the Police,
Magistrate appointed, all
very Senna-esque, being
Italy the ''which'' hunt has begun.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/10488/georg-plasa-nel-impatto-si-sono-strappate-le-cinture-della-bmw-

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[AlexGTT]

That is a horrible impact! Main picture is quit shocking.

Very sad.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

It seems that 500 BHP E46's is now
all the Rage.

The S65 would be my engine of
choice for the E46 but I expect
these are still very rapid.

Not sure about the 'cable ties' on the
Car from Norway though.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=857690

http://www.trackculture.com/category/bmw-e46-m3-v10-conversion/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T10cyk8tHUA

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

And talking of S65 engines,seems
these guys had nothing better to
do.

Would really like to see some figures
for the results v the costs though.

Almost a direct injection set up,
which I am sure BMW considered
for the S65 but I would guess that
costs prohibited.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=855573&page=2

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

For anybody interested here is a
Link to some really good pics of
the Merc 190 DTM Cars.

You arrive at Page 3 on the link,
need to click page 1, as the pics are
on Pages 1 and 2 of the link.

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/218952/

Evo II and Klasse 1 cars.

The AMG Klasse 1 cars made 400 BHP from a
2.5 Ltr Twin Cam 16v 4 pot.

They will rev to around 11,000 rpm.

Klaus Ludwig in a 190 AMG Klasse 1 car
Qualfying at the Ring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pEBjNw82yA&feature=related

Amazing Cars, more so in some regard than
the BMW E30 M3's as there were no
Merc Customer DTM 190's so the Cars and parts
just get harder to find.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

I love bringing this thread back to life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPmEprG8Awk&feature=relmfu

:smokin:

[glendog74]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdQ8Twiju9M&feature=channel_video_title

:thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

This Trailer for the forthcoming
Walter Rohrl film looks like
it might be very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSG-mNek0w

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

I mentioned the Merc 190 Klasse 1 of
Markus Westfuld had been upgraded
etc, earlier in the thread.

This is how it goes now.

Not bad for a little old 2.5ltr 16v twin cam 4 pot.

Its now around 400 BHP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuY5dCMjkS4

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

:drool: :thumbs: :smokin:


Hi,

I mentioned the Merc 190 Klasse 1 of
Markus Westfuld had been upgraded
etc, earlier in the thread.

This is how it goes now.

Not bad for a little old 2.5ltr 16v twin cam 4 pot.

Its now around 400 BHP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuY5dCMjkS4

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[glendog74]

Hi,

I mentioned the Merc 190 Klasse 1 of
Markus Westfuld had been upgraded
etc, earlier in the thread.

This is how it goes now.

Not bad for a little old 2.5ltr 16v twin cam 4 pot.

Its now around 400 BHP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuY5dCMjkS4

Regards,

The Gorilla.

:drool::drool::drool:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Here is some rare footage as it
actually shows the Sonax 190 Klasse 1
in action in 1993.

This is what Markus Westefuld has
based his on.

The Grunt of the Klasse 1 engine is quite
remarkable for a 2.5 ltr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQf-_b4ocIE&feature=player_embedded#at=129

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Reto Meisel has made some changes
for 2011.

The Judd sounds better than ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dkSu3Au7XI&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

From another Forum, some really good
pics of the BMW E36 320 ST.

The rear suspension is a work of art.

Some of the works E46 M3 GTR Cars run
an almost identical rear set up.

http://board.s14power.com/showthread.php?t=6501&page=2

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

After 2 engine re-builds nearly there
now, hopefully.

Just hope its all worth the effort.

Could be good fun on Track if
it all works as it should.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[7.77]

:smt023

[Martin_BG]

ahhh yes :drool:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

A Colleague down in Auckland NZ,
Conrad Timms has just completed
this remarkable project.

He purchased the Bigazzi MS Shell in a
well used condition, and then painstakingly rebuilt
it back to its original glory using all Genuine
MS parts wherever possible.

The Engine was originally built by Frank Gardner
Motorsport in OZ, in the lates 80's using all directly supplied
MS parts and was used in the B&H DTM car as
raced by Tony Longhurst.

Engine makes 360 BHP and will rev to 9500 +.

I was going to use this engine in my E30 M3 but
used a CSL lump instead.
Its good to see Conrad using it for
what is was intended to be used for after
investing in a major rebuild.

The Car is on Par with the BMW Museum E30 M3
in not only its attention to detail but the fact that
it still does with aplomb what is was originally
built for.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKXYUv1x9Yg

[alexk]

Excellent build and as you said it's good that he is racing it :thumbs:

By the way, I love the way BMW inline 6 engines perform... especially when they have 6 TBs :)

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Just hope they go as well as they sound
this coming weekend.

Testing times suggest that Merc and Audi
are in front.

Not sure if I prefer the E46 GTR V8, or the
E92 V8's now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeoYNUrv2Ek&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Interesting insight to the 2012
DTM Cars this year, in that they
are all running with the Carbon
Saftey Pods etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jzLujUgbpw&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[outnumbered]

Hi,

Just hope they go as well as they sound
this coming weekend.

Testing times suggest that Merc and Audi
are in front.

Not sure if I prefer the E46 GTR V8, or the
E92 V8's now.



That got me thinking I'd go and have a look when they come to Brands.... but then I realised I'm away on business that week, dammit !

[Craig]

Hi,

After 2 engine re-builds nearly there
now, hopefully.

Just hope its all worth the effort.

Could be good fun on Track if
it all works as it should.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Is that what I think it is in the back ground? :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

Gorilla, I'm surprised at the different exhaust solutions on the Merc (in the undercut sides) and BMW (out rear bumper). Is that not regulated? I think the Audi has the same solution as Merc?

[pinkpanther008]

Dont know which i prefer, but these sounds are winning me over this season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCgdfNR9J6w

Hi,

Just hope they go as well as they sound
this coming weekend.

Testing times suggest that Merc and Audi
are in front.

Not sure if I prefer the E46 GTR V8, or the
E92 V8's now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeoYNUrv2Ek&feature=related

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Alex- BMW MS are dis-advantaged for the
2012 DTM. Lack of Data.

Even with the Reg Changes Merc/Audi have
so much more Data and Knowledge from
the previous years that I personally think
BMW could well find it very hard going.

The Exhaust point, well spotted, is one of several, and even
though Engine power, saftey Cell, Rear Spoiler,
Gross Weight etc are very much regulated,
its all the 'Data' from the past years that
prevents making what can be a wrong and
very costly inherent design, that you have
to live with all season long.

Its very similar to Ferrari's problem this year
in that designing the front of the Car for
Pull Rod as well as the rear, following on from Red Bull's success
with their rear Pull Rod set up,
Ferrari discovered that getting it to work
is a nightmare.

Pull rod is not new to F1, and has the advantage
of allowing the suspension to be set down lower
in car, but in most cases takes a lot longer to
Dial into the car, which the current F1 testing rules
now work against.

The other issue discussed is that in that current F1
Cars run a very high nose it makes the angle of
a 'pull rod' on a tangent that makes the Crank bells
difficult to get effective damper travel for the suspension
settings.

Again some of the best brains in the business
not having any previous Data or the time [Regs]
to create their own.

Ironically Ferrari also have a downforce issue
caused by their exhaust positioning, which some think will
see the exhaust moved further forward so that
the 'aero' seals the rear diffuser.

It will be interesting to see how BMW and Ferrari
respond to these respective issues.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[AlexGTT]

Yes, was very surprised and slightly confused by the BMW exhaust as using the undercut side floor for exhaust blowing has been common place in DTM for some years. I know the external rear wing flick-ups have gone now but there is an obvious use to seal the floor nicely to speed up under-car air flow through the diffuser.

Ref F1, was I thinking an odd decision for Ferrari to go front pullrod. Their exhaust solution looked wrong from the outset. Those solutions with the slot exhausts are very interesting. I think they are using the airflow to direct the exhaust gases to seal the diffuser at high speed, as you say from much further forward than Ferrari. Then at lower speed it blows the rear wheel hub winglets. Ferrari missed a trick here by maybe only concentrating on the later. I also think the use of exhaust gases from much further forward has been underestimated by the FIA. Everyone expected rapid cooling and dissipation of the gases would have negligible effect. It seems that was wrong!

[shimmy]

Yes, was very surprised and slightly confused by the BMW exhaust as using the undercut side floor for exhaust blowing has been common place in DTM for some years. I know the external rear wing flick-ups have gone now but there is an obvious use to seal the floor nicely to speed up under-car air flow through the diffuser.

Ref F1, was I thinking an odd decision for Ferrari to go front pullrod. Their exhaust solution looked wrong from the outset. Those solutions with the slot exhausts are very interesting. I think they are using the airflow to direct the exhaust gases to seal the diffuser at high speed, as you say from much further forward than Ferrari. Then at lower speed it blows the rear wheel hub winglets. Ferrari missed a trick here by maybe only concentrating on the later. I also think the use of exhaust gases from much further forward has been underestimated by the FIA. Everyone expected rapid cooling and dissipation of the gases would have negligible effect. It seems that was wrong!


Alex, you missed off the reference for the quote :hahaha:. Those paragraphs don't sound welsh to me!

[AlexGTT]

Alex, you missed off the reference for the quote :hahaha:. Those paragraphs don't sound welsh to me!

My obsession with racecar technology runs deep. I am truely ashamed to say I am a geek of the highest order with this sort of thing!!:smt009 Therapy required here please.:whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

Therapy sessions required here please.:whistle:

I can help out here :-D

[AlexGTT]

I can help out here :-D

Indeed! What we need is :beer: therapy session and soon.

Did Rob text you recently about a getting together before he's off on the high seas again mate?

[DazBlackCSL]

Indeed! What we need is :beer: therapy session and soon.

Did Rob text you recently about a getting together before he's off on the high seas again mate?

He was up this weekend, one of the lads is leaving the area to head down his way so leaving doo, and mini 2nd wetting of the Chloes head ! we hit Ascot with the pub lot, very messy eve!! :whistle:

Got Usk in July too tho as per last year

When you around ?

[AlexGTT]

He was up this weekend, one of the lads is leaving the area to head down his way so leaving doo, and mini 2nd wetting of the Chloes head ! we hit Ascot with the pub lot, very messy eve!! :whistle:

Got Usk in July too tho as per last year

When you around ?

Cool, sounds like you had fun.:beer:

Yeah, around in July. Text you later. Might be passing you next week or so.:smokin:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

AlexGTT - Some Therapy for You.

Here is a Pic of the Fezza at Jerez, 'leased'
from another Forum showing the set up at
Jerez, where it was working very well but
apparently heating up the Tyres to much.

Moving it forward ala MaClaren for the max
of the 'coanda' effect is the way the
rummor mill is suggesting they
will more than likely go.

If the High Nose stays for 2013 then I doubt there
will be anybody running a Pull rod front.

Regards,

The Gorilla

[AlexGTT]

I remember seeing these images on F1 Technical. That set up burnt the bodywork quite badly and you can see some extreme heat damage to the inside edge of the Ferrari's rear tyres.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Looks like the ''Rain'' might be helpful
this weekend after all if it vears over
Hockenheim.

http://www.dtm.com/en/News/DTM-season-start-at-Hockenheim-Audi-on-top.html

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[sfh3l]

OK, this thread hs gone on quite long enough without an E30 M3 picture:finga:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/sfh3l/DSCF1509.jpg

Departed now, sunning herself in Spain and sadly missed

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Never seen this before.

Seems like ''El Lion'' was
starting to enjoy.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH_aJ4t6fRc

[Bounce]

Good find:thumbs:

[born2boost]

Wow! Thats an awesome build! Quite an interesting wing though??

Is that sequential gearbox you got in there??

Well done!!

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote-

''............''Quite an interesting wing though??

Is that sequential gearbox you got in there??''



Rear Wing is same as the ITC Rear wing that was
used in various designs by E30 M3 / Merc 190 Klasse 1 /
Alfa etc in DTM and ITC 93 onwards.

Weighs only 3kg complete and creates 75% more
areo / downforce than the E30 M3
even with large DTM Gurney flap.

The Drenth Sequential has been removed and
replaced with a Getrag.

Sequential is awesome on Track and an absolute
nightmare anywhere else.

Not only that the Drenth DG 400 drives via
the 6th Gear so every 2000 km its rebuild time.

Not a problem when Racing but makes for
expensive Track Day time where nothing
counts.

The Final evolution of the Car is being pieced
together at the moment with even a move
to ''4 Pots'' in the engine bay etc.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[born2boost]

Thanks for the info! Seems like an awesome machine....! I can understand the swop for Getrag... rebuilding the sequential so often must be a costly nightmare...

I'm amazed that the wing only weighs 3KG and yet its capable of adding so much downforce! Real work of art that!

Down here we never got the E30 M3...however my other toy is an E30 325is Turbo...Makes 450WHP....

I love e30's...they will always be a part of my garage!

One day....some how....I will own an E30 M3. Love them to bits....and a race version like yours...I'd die for !!

[shimmy]

Weighs only 3kg complete and creates 75% more
areo / downforce than the E30 M3
even with large DTM Gurney flap.


.


Hardly a measure of success as the original could be rubbish!

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Shimmy- If its good enough for these
Guys then its good enough for a
Primate !!!!!!


92' DTM Schnitzer E30 M3 with ITC wing,
which was run by Dolate Motorsport and
owned by Alex Bohm.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Even the Ruskies have taken
a shine to the Iconic Merc 2.5 16v.

Must be a North American version
though, with ''Federal Import''
Impact Bumpers fitted, thats why the
driver has so much confidence.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN_OqoMJZvM

Regards,

The Gorilla.