Spacers

[phat///M3]

Hi Guys,

I need to get atleast some 10mm spacers for the front CSL wheels to clear my Brembo BBK.

So I was thinking to go 10mm all round, or 12mm front and 10mm rear.

What do you guys suggest as some say to go 15mm front and 12mm rear, is this too agressive?

Also what brand spacers do you go for and why? H&R, Eibach, Rogue Engineering, etc?

[DazBlackCSL]

I'm running 10mm only and works fine .. On the fronts.. Give Thorney a bell as they do spacers...:thumbs:

[scott7]

Ive got 15 on the fronts and 10 on the rear, h&r's come complete with longer bolts but i once bought an eibach set which didnt, which is useless.

[phat///M3]

Thanks guys, anyone have issues with the hubcentric lip breaking off, cant remember properly but think someone told me about this with Eibach spacers a while back, which surprised me as they are a good company.

[shimmy]

Thanks guys, anyone have issues with the hubcentric lip breaking off, cant remember properly but think someone told me about this with Eibach spacers a while back, which surprised me as they are a good company.


yep, i had one lip fail on me a while back but my current sets of 12mm have not been a problem and been on for about 30k miles

[jonv]

Shimmy,

Could you please advise what your current set is?

I have 10mm on the front, but from different manufacturers?? and none on the rear.

Hence I would like to add the same all round.

I also assume that 10mm spacers on the rear do not give any clearance issues with the arches?

[shimmy]

max i have had is 12mm all round with no problems

havent tried 15mm

for things to work properly or at least better on turn in i would say 12-15mm on front is all you need but for aesthetics the back does look better 10-12mm out as well

[E46ACS]

I needed 10mm on the front to clear my BBK, and then added 10mm on the rears just to tidy it up.

[jonv]

What make of spacers do you guys use and recommend?

[shimmy]

What make of spacers do you guys use and recommend?

i have Eibach, two sets, along with longer Eibach bolts :thumbs:

[Bealo]

I use 10mm all round with the standard CSL wheels and they are fine.

Not sure what make they are but got them off Thorney.

Don't forget you will need extended wheel bolts when using spacers :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

I've got 10mm H&R on the back only, get wheel studs rather than longer bolts, means you can swap wheels and spacers around to your hearts content.

[shimmy]

I've got 10mm H&R on the back only, .

yes but you have different wheel sizes to standard

and wheel studs are fine but this year i have seen 4 cars that have had loose studs and loose wheels after use so make sure they are locked tight into position

[jonv]

Thank you, I will try out sort out the best place to purchase.

[_Nathan_]

Oh yeah, forgot that on normal CSL wheels I ran them front only.

[Thorney]

We run 10mm larger on front only. Longer bolts too.

[Bealo]

I've got 10mm H&R on the back only, get wheel studs rather than longer bolts, means you can swap wheels and spacers around to your hearts content.

Can you get locking studs for security on the road????

[_Nathan_]

Yes.

Mcgard do some, only downside is they are 19mm rather than 17mm but I used them for ages, probably have them kicking about somewhere.

[Thorney]

Yeah we sell them. But if Natah has some kicing around get his.:thumbs:

[shimmy]

Does he mean locking studs or nuts rather than bolts?

[_Nathan_]

I assume locking nuts that fit on to studs.

[alexk]

When you say 10mm and 12mm, do you mean on each side (wheel) or how much the track increases ?

[glendog74]

When you say 10mm and 12mm, do you mean on each side (wheel) or how much the track increases ?

Each side Alex, i.e. 10mm spacers fitted on the same axle will add 20mm track width overall :thumbs:

[shimmy]

or i like to do 20mm one side and 5mm the other - for Rockingham oval;)

[phat///M3]

or i like to do 20mm one side and 5mm the other - for Rockingham oval;)

Or you could set your coils up high one side of the car and low for the outside of the oval, you'd be corning flat :thumbs:

[alexk]

Each side Alex, i.e. 10mm spacers fitted on the same axle will add 20mm track width overall :thumbs:

Cool.
What are the changes needed to be done in the geometry setup ?

[glendog74]

Cool.
What are the changes needed to be done in the geometry setup ?

None.

[DuncanR]

I run 10mm H & R front and rear, they appear to be very well engineered, and a good toleranced fit. Cant speak for any other makes however.

[shimmy]

apart from spacers shortening the life of your wheel bearings i think the main thing is to be very careful not to drop the car onto its wheels before they are tightened up.

this can cause weight to be transfered onto the positioning ring on the spacer and crack it

[alexk]

Thanks guys :thumbs:

I will go for 10mm spacers this spring.... :beer:

[1cosmicboy]

or get some magnesium wheels cast with wider offset ,spacers look so naff.12 mm all round is fine and bmw can supply longer bolts so you can keep the standard look

[alexk]

or get some magnesium wheels cast with wider offset ,spacers look so naff.12 mm all round is fine and bmw can supply longer bolts so you can keep the standard look

Mate the wheels look stunning, but the budget for 2010 doesn't include them :bigcry:
Do you have part numbers for the BMW bolts ???

[shimmy]

Thanks guys :thumbs:

I will go for 10mm spacers this spring.... :beer:##
12mm Alex

[phat///M3]

Mate the wheels look stunning, but the budget for 2010 doesn't include them :bigcry:
Do you have part numbers for the BMW bolts ???

Interested aswell.

[phat///M3]

I have these in 12mm front and 10mm rears, and I can say they are superb, the bolts weigh more than the spacers themselved, so perfect for all you lightweight freaks out there. They come with silver bolts, black bolts are a bit extra.

http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/wheels/full_650.jpg

[phat///M3]

Some info on them.

Size ------ RE Spacer (each) ------ German-Made (each) ------ Mass Increase (pair)
10mm --------- 215g -------------------- 360g ---------------------- 290g
12mm --------- 263g -------------------- 398g ---------------------- 270g

[shimmy]

and ......................who makes them phatty!...........




I have these in 12mm front and 10mm rears, and I can say they are superb, the bolts weigh more than the spacers themselved, so perfect for all you lightweight freaks out there. They come with silver bolts, black bolts are a bit extra.

http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/wheels/full_650.jpg

[phat///M3]

and ......................who makes them phatty!...........

http://rogueengineering.com/

Or direct link to spacers page

http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RE&Product_Code=WSPACER

They also make wheel studs for you track whores, and a good set of RSM's amongst other things.

[shimmy]

just came across this info on another forum after a few of us had problems with a broken centre hub in the past with 10mm spacers on the e46;

From Eibach tech services
"The problem you have with the spacer is caused by using the wrong parts on this car. - As you can find in our catalogue or website, the 10mm spacers are not allowed to use on the E46. We specially created 12mm spacers for this car as the center hub of the E36 and E46 models build up to high for the 10mm spacers. If using 10mm spacers the center hub of the wheel trunk is pressed against the inner hub of the spacer which causes the shown damage.
So you wouldn´t have any problem by using the correct parts on the car."

[alexk]

Shimmy, your are a life-saver !!!
Thank you please :)

[phat///M3]

just came across this info on another forum after a few of us had problems with a broken centre hub in the past with 10mm spacers on the e46;

From Eibach tech services
"The problem you have with the spacer is caused by using the wrong parts on this car. - As you can find in our catalogue or website, the 10mm spacers are not allowed to use on the E46. We specially created 12mm spacers for this car as the center hub of the E36 and E46 models build up to high for the 10mm spacers. If using 10mm spacers the center hub of the wheel trunk is pressed against the inner hub of the spacer which causes the shown damage.
So you wouldn´t have any problem by using the correct parts on the car."


Never seen a problem with the 10mm Rogue Engineering spacers and they are widely used on the US forums (a place where if the parts can go wrong they will in no time).

[phat///M3]

Also Shimmy wasnt this an Eibach specific issue or across different spacer makes?

[shimmy]

tech advice was from EIBACH

due to machining of the hub ring i guess, others should be fine

[glendog74]

I have these in 12mm front and 10mm rears, and I can say they are superb, the bolts weigh more than the spacers themselved, so perfect for all you lightweight freaks out there. They come with silver bolts, black bolts are a bit extra.

http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/wheels/full_650.jpg

Just ordered some of these direct from the States with black bolts :smokin:

[shimmy]

Just ordered some of these direct from the States with black bolts :smokin:


how much (pair) and with bolts i presume as standard!???

have you ordered new locking bolts as well?

[glendog74]

how much (pair) and with bolts i presume as standard!???

have you ordered new locking bolts as well?

$115 for spacers (15mm - includes bolts)
$18 extra for black finish
+ postage extra (+ import tax potential... :banghead:)

Don't need locking bolts as these will mainly be used on track and my car is rarely left outside anyhow. I tried to source black bolts in the UK but couldn't find them anywhere. I was all set to spray my existing longer bolts but thought 'f**k it' and ordered some instead. :thumbs:

[alexk]

Hm, they look good.
I like, thank you please

[s.mac]

H&R for spacers ;)

[karbonkid]

TMS offer 10mm/ 12.5mm/ 15mm

Prices $89.95 + Bolts + Shipping.

TMS Spacers Here
(http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamCat=ALL&txtsearchParamType=ALL&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtsearchParamTxt=bmw+5+lug++spacers&I1.x=0&I1.y=0)
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2486/tms10mmspacers.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/tms10mmspacers.jpg/)

[shimmy]

Rays sell their own spacers as well with bolts ;)

[karbonkid]

Rays sell their own spacers as well with bolts ;)

So much choice! Really worth their money from their gains?

[shimmy]

So much choice! Really worth their money from their gains?

worth the money is it stops you rims hitting the BBK or strut or wheel arch :thumbs:

[DazBlackCSL]

Rays sell their own spacers as well with bolts ;)

Shim where did you see those then ??

Just ordered some DTS 15mm direct from germany, with bolts etc that are going on the rear at the weekend ( fronts already on ) but interested if Rays do there own :whistle:

[shimmy]

Shim where did you see those then ??

Just ordered some DTS 15mm direct from germany, with bolts etc that are going on the rear at the weekend ( fronts already on ) but interested if Rays do there own :whistle:

Daz i suspect your RE30 have 75mm hub centres and not 72.6mm. If they do def get the Rays spacers as they decrease they increase the diameter to suit the differerece in the two

here is the sheet, if you look at the top and bottom tables you can see one is for BMW hub centre rims and the others for traditional Rays rims

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/raysspacerssheet.jpg

[DazBlackCSL]

Spot on mate... exactly what I needed :thumbs: ;)

[shimmy]

Spot on mate... exactly what I needed :thumbs: ;)

Thorney can get them obviously and if not speak to Leon at Co-ordsport who are the main Rays contact in the UK

[DazBlackCSL]

;)

[karbonkid]

or get some magnesium wheels cast with wider offset ,spacers look so naff.12 mm all round is fine and bmw can supply longer bolts so you can keep the standard look

Michael. Do you have the part number for the OEM extended bolts, seem to be a few here interested. :thumbs:

[alexk]

Michael. Do you have the part number for the OEM extended bolts, seem to be a few here interested. :thumbs:

Yes !!! We want the part number pls.

[phat///M3]

Yes !!! We want the part number pls.

+1 :thumbs:

[alexk]

I received my Eibach spacers yesterday :thumbs:

Now, looking for some bolts.

[alexk]

Rob, you have found some nice black bolts from the states.
Can you provide the URL please ? Because I cannot find it.

Thank you please.

[glendog74]

Rob, you have found some nice black bolts from the states.
Can you provide the URL please ? Because I cannot find it.

Thank you please.

I never bought any in the end, Rogue Engineering will only sell you black wheel bolts with their spacers:

Rogue (http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RE&Product_Code=WSPACER)

Turner Motorsport do sell them, however:

Turner (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=BMW-BLACK-WHEEL-BOLT)

:thumbs:

[alexk]

Thanks mate :thumbs:

[phat///M3]

I saw some before on ebay Alex, if not I think CA Auto sells them aswell but Im not sure if they are black or not.

You could also look for those thin plastic caps that go over the bolts if you cant easily find black bolts.

[glendog74]

Just spray paint the bolt heads black - that's what i plan to do :thumbs:

[DazBlackCSL]

Ive just purchased a set of black longer bolts from that US site about an hour ago :whistle:

[azrael]

Anyone had any clearance/rubbing issues with 12mm spacers on the rear? Oh and with intrax too

[shimmy]

Anyone had any clearance/rubbing issues with 12mm spacers on the rear? Oh and with intrax too


no

run 12mm spacers on track with OEM rears and all ok - intrax too

should be absolutley fine

[alexk]

no

run 12mm spacers on track with OEM rears and all ok - intrax too

should be absolutley fine

+1 OEM suspension.
No problem at all.

Spacer solutions rock

[glendog74]

I run 12mm all round with no issues - albeit with KW Clubsport suspension :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

+1 OEM suspension.
No problem at all.

Spacer solutions rock

I've just bought some H&R 12 mm spacers solutions to tidy up the front end :thumbs: want to see some pix ? :whistle:

[azrael]

Cheers guys Ive got spacers on the fron cant remeber what they are.

just gonna buy 2 sets of 12mm and extra long bolts and mcguards

Go on Matt wouldn't qwant to stop you posting up more pics :-D

[mattCSLnut]

Cheers guys Ive got spacers on the fron cant remeber what they are.

just gonna buy 2 sets of 12mm and extra long bolts and mcguards

Go on Matt wouldn't qwant to stop you posting up more pics :-D

Be careful what you wish for :hahaha: ;) :whistle: