EVO Top 100 drivers cars

[Andyk]

CSL number 27...shame it's not a bit higher but ahead of some very good cars including Mclaren F1 at 71.....E30 M3 at 26.

[Paul Eggleton]

CSL number 27...shame it's not a bit higher but ahead of some very good cars including Mclaren F1 at 71.....E30 M3 at 26.

These things are always interesting and prompt a variety of comments.

They sum it up in the text when they say that ALL the cars are very good and it's hard to really distinguish between them.

My only observation is the comparisons made between the 996 GT3 and the CSL (albeit on internet forums ;)) saying that there's not alot of in it, certainly in performance terms.

Now I've never driven the GT3, or any 911 for that matter, so a question for those on here that have is; is there much of difference in driving experience??

[M3_CSL]

thanx for the headsup Andy... it is time for me to grab a couple of copies here when they are out here... there is always a delay for a month of two... we are really that far away from you guys... :banghead:

cheers,

richie

[Ade]

Now I've never driven the GT3, or any 911 for that matter, so a question for those on here that have is; is there much of difference in driving experience??

Definitely a different driving experience - although it would be harder to determine which was 'better'. See here:

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2238


And Clio V6 ahead of the CSL!? And there's no way that the E30 M3 should be ahead of the CSL! :smt009 My old E30 M3 was nice, but certainly no where near as great a drivers car as the CSL!

EVO robbed the CSL in this feature :banghead:

[Andyk]

You are right everyone has an opinion with different views...The strange one for me was that the mrk1 GT3 came in the top 5 ahead of the 997 GT3 RS...Now I've not driven these but have been in both and the 997 RS felt the better car and made me smile alot more than the 996 mrk1......But hey what the feck do I know.

[Andyk]

And there's no way that the E30 M3 should be ahead of the CSL! :smt009 My old E30 M3 was nice, but certainly no where near as great a drivers car as the CSL!

EVO robbed the CSL in this feature :banghead:

Thats interested because I would have to say that the E30 M3 Evo11 I had was a better balanced car than my CSL...OK old now and not that fast but then you don't need lots of power to have fun. Teh E30 was the perfect size for a fun drivers car.......I'm going to say again BMW should be making the 1 series coupe into an M car that the big heavy shit they bare churning out noew...X6/X5....

[david]

And what's in the "evo top 100" list...? anyone can put it online...? :beer:

[Trawler]

Check out the scores between the csl/gt3

http://www.m3csl.de/misc_csl_supertest.php
:thumbs:

[Andyk]

Hi Peter...

[Trawler]

Hi Andy, I've been busy helping people with various things. I'll give you a ring soon. Hope everyone & the car are fine.

[SpineOnABap]

EVO robbed the CSL in this feature :banghead:

Not for the first time.. but hey, who cares what some pointless has-been magazine thinks :thumbs:

[Andyk]

Hi Andy, I've been busy helping people with various things. I'll give you a ring soon. Hope everyone & the car are fine.

Yep all good mate.

[Nords]

1. Zonda F
2. Lotus 340R
3. 996 GT3 (in yellow)
4. Caterham R300
5. R26R !!!
6. Lotus Elan
7. Clio Trophy !!!
8. Ferrari F50
9. MX-5
10. Makinen Evo

11. 997 GT3RS in frog
12. Fessa F40
13. Subaru RB5 !!!

20. Fessa 550 !!!

25. Clio V6
26. e30 M3
27. e46 CSL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28. 911 2.7RS !!!

36. Exige !

40. Ariel Atom !

45. CLK63 Black

49. CGT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

53. Lotus 2-11 (how can that be when the 340R makes 2nd????)

62. e92 M3

64. Audi RS4 !
65. 993 GT2 !!!

71. Macca F1 !!!!!!

73. 959

81. Veyron

84. Lancia Integrale
85. Audi Quattro

93. 355 F1

Gawd...

[Andyk]

Yep...I couldn't understand the 2-11..340r thing. The 340r had luke warm reception when it came out and the 2-11 met with much praise as a drivers car....

[Jeff]

I'm not convinced too much thought really went into the 100-90 group, just here are 90 good cars. Only the last 10 got a real fighting chance to place themselves. There are many cars in that 90 that are totally misplaced in most of our opinions.

[englebert]

I don't understand what people are moaning about really, but i bet the same thread is onevery car owner's forum on the interweb :hahaha:

[Andyk]

You are dead right....I've seen this on Lotus/TVR/Piston..all saying the same thing......I will say when you look at the reviews that EVO have done on these cars some of the rankings do not make sense...The CSL is a respectable ranking to be honest....But then I haven't driven all the cars in the list so I really ca not comment on 80% of them...

[jibm]

i think they make it all up just to get people talking about the mag on the web, i mean F355 at 93 come on.....shit they got me at it...cnuts

[XPorker]

Well Ade is the person best equipped to comment on the track comparison, of that I have no doubt.

On the road however the CSL is soooo much more useable soooo much more of the time.
EVO's original test of the CSL (when it was still a pre-production prototype and driven by Dickie Meaden) was glowing.

Yet once the CSL went head to head with the MK2 996 GT3 it seemed to come off with a bloodied nose.

Had it been compared with the Mk 1 GT3 it might have been viewed differently.

As it was the MK2 GT3s had vastly improved brakes (350mm and six pots on the front) which drew massive praise, the slightly improved engine was praised for it's top end grunt (and its ability to rev so willingly to the redline) over the Mk1. The handling was praised yet the car was marked down for having less steering feel than that of the MK1 version (especially the initial turn in which was criticised for being vague)

Meanwhile the CSL was IIRC ? described by Phil Bennett in Evo as a "tricked up M3 with some sticky tyres and thus a bit one dimensional"

From my perspective the CSL front end takes a bit to "trust", it rolls on initial turn in, the steering lacks weight and feel (don't confuse them) ! but once you've learnt to trust the front end grip, it becomes a joyous car to drive quickly.

With a car like the Mk1 GT3, you have a simply huge amount of weight, feel and information flowing through the steering wheel (especially on a properly set up car) If you have the confidence you can lean on the GT3s front end very quickly indeed.

The Mk1 GT3 engine and the CSL engine are sooo closely matched that it's almost impossible to call a winner (though clearly the CSLs induction noise is far superior) ;)

The CSL supension is one of the finest compromises for road use that exists. Long travel, compliant and not too harsh over our poorly surfaced roads.

Try an E90/92 on 19" runflats and you'll see just what a fantastic job the guys at Motorsport have done with the CSL (it's no small wonder they're not keen on having runflats on their M Power cars) :notworthy:

For road use the CSL may be a bit less rewarding to extract its performance from, but there's no doubting its speed or usability on roads that would have a GT3s suspension tied up in knots . . . .

It shoukd be waaaay higher up Evos top 100 cars imo :smt023

[Andyk]

Nice reply XPorker..:thumbs:

[bromers]

Yep...I couldn't understand the 2-11..340r thing. The 340r had luke warm reception when it came out and the 2-11 met with much praise as a drivers car....

Wonder if it's anything to do with Harry owning one .... (it'll probably be up for sale soon :) )

[Andyk]

Wonder if it's anything to do with Harry owning one .... (it'll probably be up for sale soon :) )

Could be..I've driven both and although I love the 340R the 2-11 is far superior and a better drivers car but then that's my opinion.

[dave1]

Clio trophy? Mx5?????????????
Now i remember why i stopped buying there shit mag!!!

[AlexGTT]

Agree with comments on 340R, etc. And MX5??????? Where the f**k did that come from!!

To be fair, get a Clio Trophy on twisty A or B in central Wales and anyone who says that's not a fun car doesn't know a sorted front drive chassis from their ass. Not that quick but it can be chucked about like you wouldn't dare in an exotic and handles like a dream.

However, does it get into a top ten best drivers car list? Very close but not for me.