Must have mods on CSL (Power & Handling) - Anyone got racelogic box/results here?

[Gibbo]

Hi there

Right am considering getting back into a CSL.

Have two options, sell the Mustang and will have circa 35k to put towards buying a modding a car. Or save like mad and buy a high mileage car for circa 18-20k and mod it over time.

My last CSL was stock, except for Milltek catback system which probably gave no power increase.

Now I know stock a CSL has following performance stats (Mustang in brackets):-
0-60mph in 4.8s (4.3s)
0-100mph in 10.9s (8.7s)
30-70mph in 3.9s (2.9s)
60-100mph in 6.0s (4.4s)
1/4 mile in 13.2s or there abouts. (11.5s for Mustang)

Has anyone here got a racelogic box and if so, any stats for the above from you CSL?

Am I right in thinking that a complete exhaust, includings CATS and remap can yield circa another 25BHP from the CSL? Is more possible and those who have done this can you feel the difference or any improvement in times etc?

I am asking because I know I cant get a CSL as quick as my Mustang except for spending a small fortune on a supercharger but if I can improve it a bit then that would be good. :)

Now I know when it comes to brakes, its AP's all the way. :)


That leaves suspension, what are the must have suspension mods/tweaks/geo settings for ultimate road handling and odd track day fun?



P.S. Anyone interested in a very sorted Mustang and anyone selling a decent CSL, possibly with mods already in place?

[Mark CSL]

Hi there

Right am considering getting back into a CSL.

Have two options, sell the Mustang and will have circa 35k to put towards buying a modding a car. Or save like mad and buy a high mileage car for circa 18-20k and mod it over time.

My last CSL was stock, except for Milltek catback system which probably gave no power increase.

Now I know stock a CSL has following performance stats (Mustang in brackets):-
0-60mph in 4.8s (4.3s)
0-100mph in 10.9s (8.7s)
30-70mph in 3.9s (2.9s)
60-100mph in 6.0s (4.4s)
1/4 mile in 13.2s or there abouts. (11.5s for Mustang)

Has anyone here got a racelogic box and if so, any stats for the above from you CSL?

Am I right in thinking that a complete exhaust, includings CATS and remap can yield circa another 25BHP from the CSL? Is more possible and those who have done this can you feel the difference or any improvement in times etc?

I am asking because I know I cant get a CSL as quick as my Mustang except for spending a small fortune on a supercharger but if I can improve it a bit then that would be good. :)

Now I know when it comes to brakes, its AP's all the way. :)


That leaves suspension, what are the must have suspension mods/tweaks/geo settings for ultimate road handling and odd track day fun?



P.S. Anyone interested in a very sorted Mustang and anyone selling a decent CSL, possibly with mods already in place?


All your times are faster in the mustang
but bring it to the ring and try and catch a CSL in ther real world :whistle::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[SMD]

People dont race on paper. Bring it to a track and the CSL will defo be fast enough!:beer:

[Andyk]

Yep Mark is right...all depends what you want the car for...I drove a Mustang, standard mind, and it was terrible in the corners but was fast on the straights....2 very different cars. For me it's about how the car feels to drive and the CSL in standard form was just a nicer place to be and far more focused as a drivers car.

[DazBlackCSL]

:partyman::smt047

[Gibbo]

Yep Mark is right...all depends what you want the car for...I drove a Mustang, standard mind, and it was terrible in the corners but was fast on the straights....2 very different cars. For me it's about how the car feels to drive and the CSL in standard form was just a nicer place to be and far more focused as a drivers car.


Hi there

Guys am not trying to compare the Mustang, have owned a CSL before remember.

What I am interested in is what kind of power gains are possible and what are the must have suspension mods?

A lot of you guys here must have done power upgrades and suspension upgrades, as such what kind of improvement did they give?

My CSL was stock when I had one, can the stock car be improved much for road use?

[Mark CSL]

Hi there

Guys am not trying to compare the Mustang, have owned a CSL before remember.

What I am interested in is what kind of power gains are possible and what are the must have suspension mods?

A lot of you guys here must have done power upgrades and suspension upgrades, as such what kind of improvement did they give?

My CSL was stock when I had one, can the stock car be improved much for road use?


BMW did a great job with the csl in the suspension department in my opinion as for power you wont get much more unless you spend a small fortune.
Buy it drive it at the ring it will scare you :hahaha:

[Ade]

If you want bragging rights for the pub, just go get it supercharged to 500+hp

The CSL is not about outright power

Before more power comes driver training

[glendog74]

Don't waste your money on power mods - i did and wished i hadn't bothered so reverted it to near standard again!

Brakes upgrade best mod you can do :thumbs:

[NZ_M3]

3 suggestions:

1. Pull the CSL motor out and drop in the new s65 V8 - instant 420hp and couple of kg lighter than the S54B32 motor too.

2. Pull the CSL motor out and buy a BMW Motorport s54 (yes they sell them, I think it's called a P54B32, can't remember, but BMW Germany have just started to sell racing stuff to the public - check out BMW US website for BMW motorsport stuff) - instant 450hp and it'll just bolt up (might have to run a motec or some aftermarket computer to get it going though and don't expect to pass emissions or noise restictions)

3. Strip everything out of the CSL and take another 100kg off the car if you can - it'll eat almost anything on the road that pushes similar horse power.

[Andyk]

3 suggestions:

1. Pull the CSL motor out and drop in the new s65 V8 - instant 420hp and couple of kg lighter than the S54B32 motor too.

2. Pull the CSL motor out and buy a BMW Motorport s54 (yes they sell them, I think it's called a P54B32, can't remember, but BMW Germany have just started to sell racing stuff to the public - check out BMW US website for BMW motorsport stuff) - instant 450hp and it'll just bolt up (might have to run a motec or some aftermarket computer to get it going though and don't expect to pass emissions or noise restictions)

3. Strip everything out of the CSL and take another 100kg off the car if you can - it'll eat almost anything on the road that pushes similar horse power.

God, do you work for BMW...You are the fountain of all knowledge...:prayer:

[Bealo]

Don't waste your money on power mods - i did and wished i hadn't bothered so reverted it to near standard again!

Brakes upgrade best mod you can do :thumbs:

100% agree with glendog, i think we would all like some more power but it's just not accessible cheaply on the CSL. I wish i'd have save my money...

Agree regarding brakes best mod you can do :thumbs:

[Curly]

i don't think fast as fuch would agree:hahaha:

[Bealo]

i don't think fast as fuch would agree:hahaha:


LOL, of course he wouldn't, the standard brakes are well good enough!!!! :hahaha:

[SpineOnABap]

Yes but Hans Fuch is at a whole different skill level than us idiots....

[glendog74]

Yes but Hans Fuch is at a whole different skill level than us idiots....

Us 'Hobbyist Idiots' if you don't mind please... :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Bealo]

LOL :thumbs:

[CSLCHAN]

liking this forum alot you guys are a big fountain of knowledge im learning alot
thanks guys :thumbs:

[pinkpanther008]

NZ_M3

'BMW Motorport s54 (yes they sell them, I think it's called a P54B32'

How much do the above mentioned crate engines retail for? About time BMW started taking advantage of thier motorsoport heritage and selling the 'trick bits' as PORSCHE and FORD MS do so well.

[Roland]

Don't waste your money on power mods - i did and wished i hadn't bothered so reverted it to near standard again!

Brakes upgrade best mod you can do :thumbs:

agree, too.
just did a lap with Mark on the ring. what a difference!!! thanks again Mark!

Roland:thumbs:

[DazBlackCSL]

Yep Brakes deffo and not much else ..
Well Supersprint rear box for the meatier look and little extra noise, being a tart !:whistle:

And that's coming from mine running about everything you could do bar a supercharger

[_Nathan_]

NZ_M3

'BMW Motorport s54 (yes they sell them, I think it's called a P54B32'

How much do the above mentioned crate engines retail for? About time BMW started taking advantage of thier motorsoport heritage and selling the 'trick bits' as PORSCHE and FORD MS do so well.

425bhp , £29k euros and it comes with an ECU (and a running time measured in hours).

[Roland]

reminds me on a pic from dif. forum.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu58/m3csl1_2009/Iphonepics206.jpg

:drool:

[glendog74]

Lol - love the sticker! :hahaha:

[windy]

Jeez! How big are those feckers?

[Ade]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[Mark CSL]

380mm discs for me thats 15in for the not so clever :hahaha::thumbs:

[englebert]

I would agree with what people are saying, getting power out of the car will be expensive and disappointing IMO. If you want to get a genuine gain, i would get it supercharged...

Depends what you want the car to be honest, but it was certainly never attended to be the fastest car in a straightline.

The biggest problem with the CSL is that it has the same bodyshell as a 316. The torsional stiffness is not particularly good, which is why it has stiffer suspension. A GT3 on the other hand (or say, the new Lexus IS) has a unique shell that allows softer damping. If you just want a car for performance i would put a cage in it and put some KWs/Intrax/Motons on.

The APs are good, but the Alcons look good to me too. If you go for APs, don't get the Ferodos that come with the kit.

[alexk]

The biggest problem with the CSL is that it has the same bodyshell as a 316. The torsional stiffness is not particularly good, which is why it has stiffer suspension.

I think this is wrong...

[digi]

Call Autoconcept74 +33450 49 80 08

$8.5K euro's for the new M3 V8 S65. He says he has a 500bhp race engine also. 45K euro's P65

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/digi051669/bmw_v8_m3_1_.jpg

[digi]

I think this is wrong...

BMWs Carbon Fiber Roof Attached With Polyurethane Adhesive

Automaker BMW stepped outside the box when it recently adhesive bonded carbon fiber/epoxy roofs to 1,500 limited-edition BMW M3 CSL sedans. The automaker wanted to enhance the car's performance by shedding as much weight as possible — other composite components include the doors, front skirt, trunk lid and rear bumper...

Case Study from: Composites Technology (http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/ct.aspx), Contributed by: Staff
Article Date: 2/1/2006
Automaker BMW stepped outside the box when it recently adhesive bonded carbon fiber/epoxy roofs to 1,500 limited-edition BMW M3 CSL sedans. The automaker wanted to enhance the car's performance by shedding as much weight as possible — other composite components include the doors, front skirt, trunk lid and rear bumper support. The 13 lb/6 kg carbon roof not only reduces vehicle weight but also lowers its center of gravity, improving stability and handling. Yet, a bonded solution meant that the composite/adhesive combination had to possess stiffness, strength, torsional rigidity, crash impact resistance and vibration performance equal to a welded steel roof. Manufacturing goals would include ease of application, adequate open time and a cure time of less than two hours.
BMW conducted extensive adhesive validation studies, including dynamic and static torsion tests, lap shear tests, dynamic mechanical analysis, peel tests, aging/climatic stress tests and an actual crash test, using different steel paints, surface prep methods and curing times. While phenolics, epoxies and acrylates were considered, the company selected PLIOGRIP, a two-part polyurethane manufactured by Ashland Specialty Polymers and Adhesives (Dublin, Ohio), which meets the structural performance requirements for bonds between dissimilar materials at service temperatures of 80°C/176°F (the highest the roof will see in hot, sunny weather) yet has sufficient elasticity (~50 percent elongation) to handle vibration loads.
At installation, the M3 is taken off the production line, workers manually clean the roof with alcohol and water, roughen the mating surfaces, and then hand-place a continuous bead of adhesive onto the car's steel roof opening. An assembly jig assists technicians in lowering the roof into place (see photo). Pressure is applied with clamps to ensure a tight bond, and "squeeze-out" of excess adhesive is visually confirmed. After a 100-minute room-temperature cure, excess adhesive is trimmed and the M3 goes back on line. Ashland's European technical manager Hartwig Lohse says PLIOGRIP's even cure speed, relatively low exotherm and balance of strength and elasticity were key: "While epoxies may have higher modulus of shear, the polyurethane has adequate shear to maintain vehicle rigidity — the advantage of higher elasticity is by far the predominant factor."

[digi]

ESS Tuning Supercharge kit

http://www.esstuning.com/default.asp?c=shop&cat=93&subcat=101&subcat2=142&id=

:drool:

[glendog74]

ESS Tuning Supercharge kit



For an M3 maybe - do it to a CSL and it just isn't a 'CSL' anymore... :sad:

[digi]

For an M3 maybe - do it to a CSL and it just isn't a 'CSL' anymore... :sad:

I agree. But the loaded CSL sounds sooooo sick. :tonqe:

[SpineOnABap]

But the loaded CSL sounds sooooo sick. :tonqe:

It was even sicker after that clown drove it into a wall

[Andyk]

reminds me on a pic from dif. forum.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu58/m3csl1_2009/Iphonepics206.jpg

:drool:

Feel a bit inadequate now....

[digi]

It was even sicker after that clown drove it into a wall

before it was driven into the wall. :hahaha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qju9iEFqp3Y