Bye bye CSL. Hello GT3 [Archive]

terryb

10-04-2009, 10:24 AM

A sad but happy day.

I waved goodbye to the CSL yesterday, but received a Mathey Racing converted Mk1 996 GT3 as part of the deal.

I have really loved my CSL and think that any petrolhead should own one at some point in their lives, but I have always wanted a GT3 and this particular one is one of the very best available - it will see off 997 GT3 RS's on the track - words from Mike Wilds after he drove it at Oulton Park recently - so I can't wait to find that out for myself :thumbs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/terryb/Manthey%20GT3/iphonepics073.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/terryb/Manthey%20GT3/iphonepics072.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/terryb/Manthey%20GT3/iphonepics071.jpg

I'll still be keeping active on the forum though as there is a good bunch on here :)

Have a great Easter Weekend folks :)

csl_mba

10-04-2009, 10:31 AM

Nice one terry, but sorry to hear you sold the CSL yours was especially shiney :supz:

Is the porkers paint job a matt black wrap or is it properlt painted?

the reverend

10-04-2009, 10:37 AM

I have really loved my CSL and think that any petrolhead should own one at some point in their lives,

You're absolutely right about that... I'm sure in the GT3 you'll have a wonderful time, but you'll still have a special place in your heart for the CSL. For me it just tickles all the senses, they even smell unique (I'm seeking counselling!)

GT3 looks very menacing btw, enjoy!

terryb

10-04-2009, 10:58 AM

It is a Matt Black vinyl wrap done by a company called Raccoon - http://www.raccoon.co.uk/homepage.php

Reverend - I agree with you and can see me owning another CSL in the future when I can afford 2 fun cars :thumbs:

karbonkid

10-04-2009, 11:03 AM

Looks stunning mate. I remember seeing a matt black GT3 in flesh at a PH run last year and can say it looked and sounded mental. Maybe the same one. Enjoy! :thumbs:

karbonkid

10-04-2009, 11:07 AM

terryb

10-04-2009, 11:11 AM

I got a quote with raccoon for wrapping the CSL. Can the vouch for the quality of the wrap?

It is a very good quality mate. The vinyl is very thin but strong, so won't spoil the paint underneath when removed (hopefully), but then they guarantee their work apparently if they remove it and will make good any problems.

Compared to the vinyl graphics I had on my Scooby, it is much thinner - can only be a good thing in my eyes

csl_mba

10-04-2009, 11:23 AM

Karbonkid what sort of price did you get for a full wrap?

terryb

10-04-2009, 11:30 AM

I didn't get this wrap done, the last owner did but I have the receipt from late 2007 and it was about £1600 inc VAT

karbonkid

10-04-2009, 11:32 AM

Karbonkid what sort of price did you get for a full wrap?

Thinking of a group Wrap? :hahaha: was quoted £750 plus VAT.

csl_mba

10-04-2009, 12:13 PM

£860 is a good price i reckon, especially if they guarantee they wont fudge your paintwork - well correct it if they do :)

What colour you thinking of Karbonkid??? Sapphire Black :hahaha::whistle:

NZ_M3

10-04-2009, 12:31 PM

TRAITOR!!!!

Just joking - congratulations on the new ride ... my all time favourite GT3 is definitely the MK1 (I'd own one over a 997 GT3 any day - including the RS) - so simple and to the point, much like the CSL is. As the old adage goes - they don't make them like they used to!!

Actually before I bought the CSL I NEARLY bought a MK1 GT3 myself - but lost out to another buyer by half an hour or so ... will definitely buy one in the future though I am sure ... enjoy it ...

terryb

10-04-2009, 01:06 PM

glendog74

10-04-2009, 01:10 PM

Nice one mate - gotta do what makes you happy after all... Enjoy the Porker - it looks suitably menacing! :smt023

karbonkid

10-04-2009, 01:13 PM

£860 is a good price i reckon, especially if they guarantee they wont fudge your paintwork - well correct it if they do :)

What colour you thinking of Karbonkid??? Sapphire Black :hahaha::whistle:

Lol...Cheeky sod! I was thinking Silver Grey actually as I love it too much!

Jeff

10-04-2009, 02:38 PM

Can't miss posting on this! That's the Polar Express as it's commonly known in the Porsche world. A lot of car there Terryb.

Congrats and enjoy!

Andyk

10-04-2009, 02:42 PM

That looks the dogs Terry..:thumbs:..GT3 is just stunning. Let us know how you get compared to the CSL.

bryce

10-04-2009, 03:20 PM

woot woo, looks awesome :smt055

Tell us more about it...

GT TWO

10-04-2009, 03:28 PM

Yes thats Polar Express's car.

A very well setup car by all accounts. It has had a lot of money spent on it.

He told me he was moving abroad, did he?

Enjoy matey, well done!

azrael

10-04-2009, 03:30 PM

That'll be polarexpress then! I'm sure both of you guys will will enjoy the swap, its awsome looking in stealth balck :)

Mark CSL

10-04-2009, 05:25 PM

It looks like the porker needs a good polish it has no shine :gayfight:

Looking good Terry enjoy :thumbs:

DazBlackCSL

10-04-2009, 06:40 PM

Very very nice terry :thumbs:

Must admit GT3 is on the radar for some time in the future:whistle:

Just got to get bored with mine, which might never happen :hahaha:

Housey

11-04-2009, 02:16 AM

Well he's enjoying the CSL at the moment, I can confirm that. Cracking Manthey GT3 you have there, epic tool and the ideal change from a CSL though I suspect you'll have to play yourself into the GT3 as its very different to the CSL and even more raw.

Enjoy I adored my GT3.

csl_mba

11-04-2009, 10:03 AM

Housey did you have a bright orange one??

Nords

11-04-2009, 10:29 AM

Housey's was a white (I think?) GT3 rather than an RS. Yep, both great cars. Did PE buy your CSL Terry (swap deal type thing?)

Ade

11-04-2009, 01:24 PM

Glad you're enjoying the Manthey'3 Terry :smt023 Enjoy her whilst in good health! :beer:

And yes, Terry looked after his CSL perfectly... just for me! :supz:

sailorbaz

11-04-2009, 03:11 PM

Is everyone the same then, chopping between 996 GT3 and CSL's? I look forward to getting into a GT3 some time in the future.

Lovely example mate, I'm loving it.

Ade

11-04-2009, 03:25 PM

Is everyone the same then, chopping between 996 GT3 and CSL's? I look forward to getting into a GT3 some time in the future.

Lovely example mate, I'm loving it.

There is no doubt that the PE is another level on track, and the allure of the GT3 is that it takes a long time to discover the last 3%. Few (if any?) cars reward as the GT3 does on track and also possess the engineering integrity to do the Tescos run with ease, everyday if necessary. Where the GT3 is 70/30 track/road, the CSL feels more suited to fast road driving (in standard form) and is probably more 70/30 road/track (although I have yet to take my CSL on track).

Both are awesome cars that are probably the finest of their ilk :thumbs:

bryce

11-04-2009, 07:31 PM

GT3 seems the natural progression for me. Though it'd need to be a 997 as I think the 996 is pretty ugly. Though the Mk1 is the best looking of all the 996s.

Housey

13-04-2009, 12:58 AM

I think the 996 is pretty ugly

Oh I agree, ugly as sin this:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/housemaster_sg/My%20Cars/996%20GT3%20MK2/763c41e3.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/housemaster_sg/My%20Cars/996%20GT3%20MK2/6eb6c346.jpg
:whistle:

Mine was silver. :smt055

NZ_M3

13-04-2009, 07:59 AM

NZ

I'll always have a soft spot for the CSL, and would love to experience a fully sorted, 400bhp CSL with cams, diff, suspension, brakes and remap all sorted. The induction noise is just awesome, but then the flat 6 scream of the GT3 is ....... :)

To be honest I thought the CSL sounded better than the boxer 6 of any Porsche ... meh ...

The MK1 996 GT3 is pretty much on par performance wise with the CSL .. the MK2 is definitely a step up and the 997 GT3 (or the RS) is quite a bit more compared to the CSL.

Having said that however the CSL is much easier to go fast around a track vs a GT3 - put two equal drivers in either car and the GT3 would be quicker no doubt, but put an above average driver in the CSL and it'd be similar to the GT3.

Both are great cars - I would happily own either for sure - and a Manthey example is even more desirable for sure!!

Some pictures of the interior perhaps??

Andyk

13-04-2009, 07:59 AM

I was never a fan of the mrk2 with those runny egg lights....mrk1 was much better looking. But then I saw this one.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/Andkexige/996bmv1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/Andkexige/996bmv2.jpg

Andyk

13-04-2009, 09:08 AM

There's another Manthey GT3 for sale...he's looking for a CSL in exchange.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/984428.htm

Jeff

13-04-2009, 09:48 AM

There's another Manthey GT3 for sale...he's looking for a CSL in exchange.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/984428.htm

That's me, make me an offer :)

Jeff

13-04-2009, 09:53 AM

To be honest I thought the CSL sounded better than the boxer 6 of any Porsche ... meh ...

The MK1 996 GT3 is pretty much on par performance wise with the CSL .. the MK2 is definitely a step up and the 997 GT3 (or the RS) is quite a bit more compared to the CSL.

Having said that however the CSL is much easier to go fast around a track vs a GT3 - put two equal drivers in either car and the GT3 would be quicker no doubt, but put an above average driver in the CSL and it'd be similar to the GT3.

Both are great cars - I would happily own either for sure - and a Manthey example is even more desirable for sure!!

Some pictures of the interior perhaps??

As for the sound, the Manthey kit I think is a different world of flat 6 sound. Makes it pure race car. I'm biased of course but there is no comparison of the sound from a standard GT3 and the Manthey equiv. I think it's a bit like the CSL as the Manthey kit rids the car of the air box, the MAF and just has a cup filter straight onto the engine. Then the sounds from the full headers, cats and new boxes change it again. at 8000rpm you'd think you were in a proper race car.

As for performance I can't comment not having driven a CSL in anger like the GT3. To be honest I don't think there would be much in it apart from down a straight.

Housey

13-04-2009, 12:10 PM

Where the GT3 scores is when you get it over 6000rpm at which point it has a spine tingling wail to it that sounds fantastic. The CSL sounds great at most speeds and from the outside coming towards you sounds epic....until it drives past and then is sounds shit with the tinny rasp that all E46 M's suffer from. When we did the rolling road event at Thorney Motorsport with MTorque I don't think anyone would argue that the GT3's sound fantastic at full chat on the rollers.

glendog74

13-04-2009, 12:32 PM

As for performance I can't comment not having driven a CSL in anger like the GT3. To be honest I don't think there would be much in it apart from down a straight.

GT3 just edges away on the straights! I was all over a yellow Mk.1 on braking and in the corners on Saturday but he wouldn't budge knowing that he would pull a big enough lead before the next set of corners :moan:

Admittedly it did have 2 lardy blokes in it! :whistle: :hahaha:

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww282/glendog74/IMG_2679mod.jpg

david

13-04-2009, 12:59 PM

I think we need a new section on the Csl register forum "Csl + GT3 garage..."

I made the same "jump" a few months ago... but keep that Csl, No way I can sell that bmw weapon... :thumbs:

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/11/72/83/81/dsc00120.jpg

:whistle:

glendog74

13-04-2009, 01:15 PM

Registered in Luxembourg David?

david

13-04-2009, 01:55 PM

Yes, I have a "local address" there.. it help when you get caught by speedcam's in France, No contracts between France/luxembourg for speed tickets.... :whistle: only Belgium has a partership for speedtickets with luxembourg...;)

glendog74

13-04-2009, 01:59 PM

Andyk

13-04-2009, 02:23 PM

That's me, make me an offer :)

Car looks great Jeff. Caught me eye straight away..:thumbs:

Nords

13-04-2009, 02:29 PM

GT3 just edges away on the straights! I was all over a yellow Mk.1 on braking and in the corners on Saturday but he wouldn't budge knowing that he would pull a big enough lead before the next set of corners :moan:

Admittedly it did have 2 lardy blokes in it! :whistle: :hahaha:

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww282/glendog74/IMG_2679mod.jpg

GD, down the back straight at Donny I was pulling this one in for the first half due to better speed through Coppice. There was one lap where I caught him at Macleans and had to sit behind him until that straight. He pulled to the right, indicated and kept the power on all the way down to Goddards. We were exactly the same but the CSL was alot better on the brakes (25-30 yards better)...

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj49/GSXRthou/CSL/CSL_chasing_GT3_noplate.jpg

Jeff

13-04-2009, 02:40 PM

Car looks great Jeff. Caught me eye straight away..:thumbs:

Cheers, I'm hoping for another CSL buddy to PX with as it does everyone a favour but hey, money is money.

Funniest calls so far.

Would I like to PX a Skyline R34 and Evo for my car?
Would I like to PX it for a 993 C2. Ah no!

Nords

13-04-2009, 03:29 PM

It does look very nice Jeff, I hope a CSL matches up!

http://images.pistonheads.com/aimg/984/984428-1.jpg

bryce

13-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Very clever David :thumbs:

Not gonna convince me Housey, its ugly... Though in comparison with a RS4... :whistle::hahaha:

Admitedly there are parts (particularly on the Mk1) that look sweet, but overall its not good. 997 is an improvement fo sho.

englebert

14-04-2009, 11:45 AM

Can't say i'm a 996 fan... looks like a bar of soap to me, but i'm sure the Manthey mods make it quite a car. The 997 GT3 is a different story though, dream of owning one of those!

Enjoy it :thumbs:

XPorker

14-04-2009, 11:16 PM

Oh I agree, ugly as sin this:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/housemaster_sg/My%20Cars/996%20GT3%20MK2/763c41e3.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/housemaster_sg/My%20Cars/996%20GT3%20MK2/6eb6c346.jpg
:whistle:

Mine was silver. :smt055

Yup silver AND ugly Housey :hahaha: I should know I helped you sell it to its current owner !

If you want a good looking GT3 you need look no further than a Mk 1 :smokin:
Gone but not forgotten :bigcry: But I'd have my CSL for a quick cross country thrash ANY day tbh. Not as challenging, but quicker over give and take bumpy roads IMO.

http://i40.tinypic.com/35k2z3l.jpg

terryb

15-04-2009, 12:21 AM

Mine's got a nice steering wheel :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/terryb/NewPicture6.png

terryb

15-04-2009, 12:22 AM

I'm off to Brands Hatch on Thursday for my 1st trackday in the GT3 - looking forward to it :)

Nords

15-04-2009, 12:53 AM

Ahhhhhh, a baked bean GT3, XPorker... now they're lovely!

:thumbs:

Andyk

15-04-2009, 06:58 AM

Ahhhhhh, a baked bean GT3, XPorker... now they're lovely!

:thumbs:

Yes love that colour. Remember the EVO press car being that shade of bake bean...lovely.:thumbs:

XPorker

15-04-2009, 11:18 AM

Zanzibar ! :thumbs:

http://i42.tinypic.com/ete3xh.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2saxs0z.jpg

Housey

15-04-2009, 01:00 PM

Yup silver AND ugly Housey :hahaha: I should know I helped you sell it to its current owner !

That you Henry?

XPorker

15-04-2009, 06:27 PM

That you Henry?

:thumbs:

'Tis indeed, how are you ?

Housey

16-04-2009, 12:59 PM

:thumbs:

'Tis indeed, how are you ?

Not too bad old boy, still in my normal state of car indecision. I bailed on the Series 2 GT3, the current ecconomic downturn is not something that sustains £90K motors for me so decided to battern down the hatches and stick with the RS4....well this week at least. Had loads of bimmers over the years, well into double figures but never had a CSL and its still an itch I need to scratch not least when I know so many owners who keep telling me the same thing...."DO IT YOU GAYER!!". Most of the owners I know are well dodgy though Nords, Spine on a Bap, Shimmy, Anis, Woppum, 3Wheels, you and many others, I mean, would you trust any of them. I suspect I'd finally get into one only to find them all in RS4's shouting nah nah ne nah nah!

...and we all know the CSL is just an M3 with a cardboard boot :whistle:

Mark CSL

16-04-2009, 01:08 PM

...and we all know the CSL is just an M3 with a cardboard boot :whistle:
Brave man Housey :hahaha::smt067

Housey

16-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Brave man Housey :hahaha::smt067

I do like to throw the big tabby into the flock of pigeons to see who bites, keeps the world turning don't you know. I may post it, doesn't mean I believe it but its always fun to see who bites and gets all emotional. ;)

anissut

16-04-2009, 05:25 PM

Not too bad old boy, still in my normal state of car indecision. I bailed on the Series 2 GT3, the current ecconomic downturn is not something that sustains £90K motors for me so decided to battern down the hatches and stick with the RS4....well this week at least. Had loads of bimmers over the years, well into double figures but never had a CSL and its still an itch I need to scratch not least when I know so many owners who keep telling me the same thing...."DO IT YOU GAYER!!". Most of the owners I know are well dodgy though Nords, Spine on a Bap, Shimmy, Anis, Woppum, 3Wheels, you and many others, I mean, would you trust any of them. I suspect I'd finally get into one only to find them all in RS4's shouting nah nah ne nah nah!

...and we all know the CSL is just an M3 with a cardboard boot :whistle:

I'd agree with all of that including the bit about you being a GAYER!!!! :gayfight:

Now just get on with it will you. :blalalala:

Nords

16-04-2009, 07:37 PM

Not too bad old boy, still in my normal state of car indecision. I bailed on the Series 2 GT3, the current ecconomic downturn is not something that sustains £90K motors for me so decided to battern down the hatches and stick with the RS4....well this week at least. Had loads of bimmers over the years, well into double figures but never had a CSL and its still an itch I need to scratch not least when I know so many owners who keep telling me the same thing...."DO IT YOU GAYER!!". Most of the owners I know are well dodgy though Nords, Spine on a Bap, Shimmy, Anis, Woppum, 3Wheels, you and many others, I mean, would you trust any of them. I suspect I'd finally get into one only to find them all in RS4's shouting nah nah ne nah nah!

...and we all know the CSL is just an M3 with a cardboard brakes as std :whistle:

Well, can't argue too much!
:thumbs:

Housey

16-04-2009, 07:56 PM

Nords took nearly 37 years to make his mind up on his CSL you know and Anis, well, he had to get through 2 of them before he realised he needed another and in in doing that he went through all sorts of junk to get there including one of them 'birds' Mercs and I think he should explain his current daily....er.....runabout!

Whoes the :gayfight:exactly :thumbs:

Housey

16-04-2009, 08:00 PM

...and don't get me started on Spiney....he's got bloody CSL DNA, I'm sure he had one at school you know!

Ade

16-04-2009, 08:45 PM

I'm off to Brands Hatch on Thursday for my 1st trackday in the GT3 - looking forward to it :)

Terry, good luck and I hope you have a grand time! :thumbs:

Sneak preview: here's a vid the last time I did the Indy circuit.. (but you must do the GP circuit - it was made for the GT3!)

SxkkV1DqupU

OT: any news on those sills?