Toyo 888

[Mark CSL]

Here are some pix of the toyo 888 i got for Gaz345 for his ring trip
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[Andyk]

:thumbs:...I like 888. Would be interested how they perform as there has been mixed comments on them for the CSL.

[sailorbaz]

:thumbs:...I like 888. Would be interested how they perform as there has been mixed comments on them for the CSL.

x2 :thumbs:

[MartinDower]

The 888R is the control tyre for both TTRS and CTCRC race series, shod onto all sorts of machinery including E30/E36 M3 with between 250 and almost 400bhp as well as Cossies and they seem to work well as long as the cambers/tyre pressures are right so would suggest it's a great budget track-day tyre. Highly recommended as a tyre, not sure how it would handle the extra weight of a CSL though (A race E30 M3 weighs about 1000kgs). Might be worth using a tyre conditioner to keep the temps down for hard 'Ring laps.

[karbonkid]

Al little feedback for the R888s:
I've had them on the road now for a week on a set of 18" 265/35 + 235/40. When I fitted them it was raining and went out to test them in the wet and I was pretty confident on them. Last weekend I went on a 300 mile run and was pretty impressed with there performance overall. I got speaking to someone in a GT40 and he noticed my R888s and he said that he runs them on his GT3 RS which he tracks and he has been happy with them with no issues, he hasnt tried the Cups so couldn't compare... I've yet to get them on the track and test them to the extremes getting them to optimum temp so will keep you posted.

[_Nathan_]

On track they are wank compared to cups.

[Jeff]

I run them on my GT3 as they are a damn cheap tyre for the job. I can do lap after lap of the ring without any problems (6 in a row was the most). They are very pressure sensitive, get them too hot and you'll soon be sliding all over the place. Run them too low though as well and you'll also run into problems.....

The biggest issue I have with them is shear road noise. Cups are far quieter on the road - the toyo's literally howl. If you can stand that then they are a good value tyre at half the price of cups in 18". In 19" I would go cups as the toyo pice is silly, although toyos last longer.

If you find they start to "go off", ie getting slippery, wandering, drop the pressure, they will keep going and going. I normally do my first ring lap, at the end of it the rears moving around. I stop, adjust pressures and keep going. Rest of the day it's fine.

[_Nathan_]

I ran them at the same pressure as I run cups 32 hot and they went off really quickly (2/3 a lap of the 'ring). This was however with 19" cups v 18" 888s so maybe I was at fault. As a road tyre they are great.

All the quick GT3 guys rate hoosiers or cups miles ahead of 888s.

[Jeff]

I ran them at the same pressure as I run cups 32 hot and they went off really quickly (2/3 a lap of the 'ring). This was however with 19" cups v 18" 888s so maybe I was at fault. As a road tyre they are great.

All the quick GT3 guys rate hoosiers or cups miles ahead of 888s.

One of the guys I know well had a toyo technician come out with us as we were suffering delam on the tyres. It was determined for us 35psi hot was the optimum temp up front on the gt3 and a couple more on the rear.

Quite possibly they don't work on the csl due to the different weight distribution - but they work fine on the GT3. It's a matter of budget really. I don't think I'd say they're the fastest tyre, but they are far better than any road tyre and in 18" cost the same as one.

Each to their own. If you want premium, avoid them, if you want a set of 18" tyres that are nearly 1/2 the price of the others, they're ok.

[Ade]

All the quick GT3 guys rate hoosiers or cups miles ahead of 888s.

Hoosiers (R6s) are effectively a slick, but in a trackday compound allowing you more heat cycles. No they don't work in the wet! :clown:
Cups are great in the dry, don't really work in the wet, and are 1300 a set.
888s give you 95% of a cup, but work in the wet and cost 650 a set.
Depends if you want that last 5% (or can find that last 5%)... and at what price you can affrod

[jim76]

Probably posting this in the wrong place, but here goes, I've a used set of R888's on refurbished 18" M3 alloys for sale. 235's and 275's. They have seen two track days and still have plenty of life in them. They were at Spa with me last year, which isn't a particularly hard circuit on tyres. Probably worn to around 50-60%. I'll try and get some pics up over the next day or two. Reasonable offers considered. Would prefer not to split wheels and tyres.

[bryce]

Stick it in the 'Parts for Sale' section Jim, you'll get more notice there. :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

Spa not hard on tyres? The front right takes a proper, proper battering, some endurance teams have to change front tyres there twice as often as normal (2 hours instead of 4) due to how hard it is on tyres!

[TANKSLAPPER]

I agreed with Nathan. Spa as a circuit is one of the most abrasive tracks which I have driven on, because there are a series of very fast downhill anti camber bends ie 100+ mph, this just slaughters the fronts.

I have a friend who did run these tyres on a ford falcon, a very heavy car, 1,800 kgs and the wear was poor particularly on the outer edge. He also complain of aquaplaning and couldn’t kept up with us on cup’s and a lighter car on a motorway ! ! (he since changed back to cups)

“Mark csl” I would be very interested to hear your comments about the tyre after a few track days.

[david]

joking? 650£ a set of R888 in 19 inch? :smt120

were is that...? I'll take 4 rubber's at that price...

[Ade]

joking? 650£ a set of R888 in 19 inch? :smt120

were is that...? I'll take 4 rubber's at that price...

no, R888s they were referring to 18s as on GT3s. Big diff on 18 vs 19 price wise.

[jim76]

The tyres I had wore evenly, and not excessively. Maybe it was the way my car was set up for Spa that helped?? Endurance teams racing professionaly and a Ford Falcon at 1800kgs are not good comparisons for an M3 being used on the odd track day for fun are they???

[jim76]

I agreed with Nathan. Spa as a circuit is one of the most abrasive tracks which I have driven on, because there are a series of very fast downhill anti camber bends ie 100+ mph, this just slaughters the fronts.

I have a friend who did run these tyres on a ford falcon, a very heavy car, 1,800 kgs and the wear was poor particularly on the outer edge. He also complain of aquaplaning and couldn’t kept up with us on cup’s and a lighter car on a motorway ! ! (he since changed back to cups)

“Mark csl” I would be very interested to hear your comments about the tyre after a few track days.

What corners do you reckon an M3 could go through at Spa at over 100 MPH???

[MartinDower]

What corners do you reckon an M3 could go through at Spa at over 100 MPH???

I'd guess at Eau Rouge, Poohon (exit), Stavelot, Blanchiment (sweet)

[jim76]

I'd guess at Eau Rouge, Poohon (exit), Stavelot, Blanchiment (sweet)

Yeah maybe, which aren't particularly long or hard I wouldn't say in a car like an M3?? I would think sharper turning corners with a bit of lock on would cause more damage to tyres on this type of car? Maybe I'm wrong, just my opinion?

[_Nathan_]

Pouhon is a tyre killer - really long 180 degree left that is exited at 114mph according to my DL1 so about 120 on the clock scrubbing the front right the whole way round. Murders the front right, absolutely kills it.

[TANKSLAPPER]

The tyres I had wore evenly, and not excessively. Maybe it was the way my car was set up for Spa that helped?? Endurance teams racing professionaly and a Ford Falcon at 1800kgs are not good comparisons for an M3 being used on the odd track day for fun are they???

jim, what set up did you run ? and what lap times were you doing?

[monkeycsl]

I just had a quote for £210 per front tyre and £248 rears from camskill.:bigcry:

[jim76]

jim, what set up did you run ? and what lap times were you doing?

I was using KW Clubsport with poly bushes all round, standard CSL brakes with braided hoses and racing fluid. I'm not sure what settings the car was running with as I put the car into a garage to have it set up. The guy who set it up has years of experience and in his words "it'll be brilliant round Spa but not Knockhill!!". I don't know enough about geometry to comment on this side of things!! To be perfectly honest I didn't time myself!! I was just having fun, but was on the case of GT3's and some other funky stuff!! It must have been around the 3 minute mark give or take?? A guess really!! I wasn't nursing the tyres by any means but was very impressed with how they performed, even through a "light" shower, and lasted. I've just sold the M3 and bought a 911 C4S and I've booked for Spa again in June and will be giving the Toyo's another go then, albeit they are a good bit wider on the rear of the Porsche than the M3. I don't do enough track days this weather to merit the cost of the cup's to be honest, and for me the Toyo's provide me with more than adequate grip to have some good fun with!! Many of the guys I know with Porsche seem to prefer the Toyo's, and they do loads of track days at various circuits, and some of these guys are loaded so it's not just about cost!!! Or maybe it is and they just won't admit it!! Lol.

[jim76]

I was using KW Clubsport with poly bushes all round, standard CSL brakes with braided hoses and racing fluid. I'm not sure what settings the car was running with as I put the car into a garage to have it set up. The guy who set it up has years of experience and in his words "it'll be brilliant round Spa but not Knockhill!!". I don't know enough about geometry to comment on this side of things!! To be perfectly honest I didn't time myself!! I was just having fun, but was on the case of GT3's and some other funky stuff!! It must have been around the 3 minute mark give or take?? A guess really!! I wasn't nursing the tyres by any means but was very impressed with how they performed, even through a "light" shower, and lasted. I've just sold the M3 and bought a 911 C4S and I've booked for Spa again in June and will be giving the Toyo's another go then, albeit they are a good bit wider on the rear of the Porsche than the M3. I don't do enough track days this weather to merit the cost of the cup's to be honest, and for me the Toyo's provide me with more than adequate grip to have some good fun with!! Many of the guys I know with Porsche seem to prefer the Toyo's, and they do loads of track days at various circuits, and some of these guys are loaded so it's not just about cost!!! Or maybe it is and they just won't admit it!! Lol.

And Pagid pads!! Forgot to mention!! Lol.

[benCSL]

Hi guys

have you some dealer/partner who work with cslregister for good price on this tyres?

In france we don't have any 265/30/19, 0 stock.