Fake keyrings on ebay

[NZ_M3]

This is my opinion but I have reasons to believe the CSL keyrings for sale on ebay are replicas??? being passed off as genuine.

1. These do not have original boxes
There are some detail differences to the real deal! Mainly

1. The carbon weave is in the wrong direction to the genuine on the main side. The weaves go in a general downward direction versus across.
2. The weave count is wrong for top right corner to top right corner of ///M3 CSL raised portion - this should be exactly 6 cross weaves.
3. The lettering appears to have a sand blasted finish which the genuine thing does not have.
4. The metal chain clasp is smaller than the genuine thing.
5. This detail in photo below gives it away in my opinion to show these are replicas - the top one is genuine
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4348/37248881515_6d36a31ab6_h.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4424/36850707290_32cc4f9098_h.jpg

Top 3 genuine, last one replica??

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4375/37076968352_207ecf3bc7_b.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4431/36411199794_0ae9088680_b.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4391/37106278561_5412087091_b.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/37076967762_bd72b6e1c6_b.jpg


The seller is on this forum, ask him if it is indeed genuine. I have my own opinions.

[0-60Motorsports]

Thanks for posting this info. How much are the ones on eBay? Are they still charging genuine letting prices?

[acun325]

you must know it how we can fake a Keyring ;-) you post this month ago by Bimmersport

https://abload.de/img/1afbe39f-1f7d-408e-8383u0s.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=1afbe39f-1f7d-408e-8383u0s.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/3f5c2411-a925-4aa7-b9p6ukg.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=3f5c2411-a925-4aa7-b9p6ukg.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/aba7e134-d5f9-49c0-90aruyn.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=aba7e134-d5f9-49c0-90aruyn.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/ad8e49ef-8ad0-41aa-91jiu3s.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=ad8e49ef-8ad0-41aa-91jiu3s.jpg)

[acun325]

https://abload.de/img/whatsappimage2017-09pfzvg.jpeg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=whatsappimage2017-09pfzvg.jpeg)

NZ_M3

[select]

Difference is, he never tried to sell any off as genuine. Trying to rip people off.
Contrary to what you were trying to do, so please sod off nobody wants people like you here.

[acun325]

NZ_M3 is envious nothing else :blalalala:

[NZ_M3]

Yes BMW lawyers take copyright very seriously so they asked for a cease and desist of reproductions for sale even if for charity donation. I was entitled to do the one to replace the main damaged part of my genuine used keyring and that was it. So end of story on that saga.

I tried reaching out to bmw for a limited license on 10 keyrings for charity which I was happy to pay them provided reasonably priced or alternatively a limited rerun of an original from bmw directly if they can tell me how many we need to order. They never bothered to return any of my requests.

As I said, my opinions from what you said to me was you had three for sale, 1 in a box which you are keeping and 2 without box that you are selling. If you have all 3 then post them up here all together and I will publicly apologise for getting it wrong.

Also might I note seeing you are now threatening legal action against me, I never linked to your auction directly, I stated clearly in my first sentence this was my opinion and my reasons for it based on photos and comparing them to genuine keyring photos online.

I also note for legal purposes that your private message to me indicated you had 3 for sale and only 1 in a box which you are keeping. You then post a reply here and then message me on ebay to show me a photo of your genuine keyring which you no doubt own and possess but then state that this is the only one you now have for sale and it has always been this one for sale. I have replied to you via ebay showing your message to me that you indicated you have 3 in possession.

I have offered to also public correct this thread and the other on m3forums if you can show me all three keyrings together and admit I have opinioned wrongly and can prove the keyrings you are selling are all genuine. I have offered also to purchase if indeed genuine.

As stated in the first sentence this post is an honest opinion not an accusation without basis of photographic comparison evidence.

Your loss if you say for this single keyring is €650 which is what you are asking on ebay classified Germany which I will happily compensate you for in exchange for a genuine CSL keyring. This is my offer.

Have a good day!

[Bounce]

Thanks for pointing this out mate.;)

[NZ_M3]

Just an update

The seller has shared a photo with me on ebay of all three keyrings together on a genuine box.

He says I am finished after he posts the photo up.

The way I see it is this. He's here so potential buyers can direct the questions to him directly, I still have questions about the points I raised above as the photo he provided is a bit blurred for all three keyrings.

My offer for the genuine one he holds with the box still stands ... the other two he has for sale I am not interested in, but I will retract my opinion that they are fakes for now. Potential buyers can decide for themselves.

[NZ_M3]

So the seller has asked that this post be taken down in 6 hours or he will take me to the lawyers.

I have no legal basis to share the photo he shared with me of the 3 keyrings together - that was via PM on ebay so the photo is not in the public domain so it will remain private. But potential buyers can ask for them I guess. Unlike the photo linked above they are available on ebay.

The seller can share it with everyone on here if he so wishes. I asked him for permission to share it he has not given it.

I have stated to him that instead of suing me which would cost him quite a bit he should just make a complaint to my law society directly for which I am a member.

I have also offered for the BMW Patent lawyers who contacted me as a result of the above photos he has reposted (which were asked to be taken down by the way by the BMW patent attorneys directly - so he's in technical breach of their cease and desist request by re-publishing them) to adjudicate this and to confirm that these are genuine.

[si.w]

Thanks for posting NZ_M3. I look forward to seeing what happens in 6 hours:hahaha:

[Yanto]

https://abload.de/img/whatsappimage2017-09pfzvg.jpeg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=whatsappimage2017-09pfzvg.jpeg)

NZ_M3

Prick. Jog on pal.....you're not wanted here and clearly don't have the full story.

[Alx]

Thank you for this @ NZ_M3!

[alexk]

And I was wondering where all these brand new keyrings without box came from :hahaha:

For the record, the wire rope connector is not from the M3 CSL keyring (I suppose it is from the mini keyring).

[alexk]

It will be interesting to see whether BMW is going to see this thread and take action.

[shimmy]

Im so confused........

[Jon8710]

As am i

[acun325]

You all believe really this Stu..d NZ_M3!!! What i have from 1 Fake Keyring, this i can sell max. for 300-400€ and from this i can get not rich! He give in all Forums this FAKE NEWS for nobody bid by ebay and he can make a bargain deal!

https://abload.de/img/2017-09-2020_06_47-mentu38.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2017-09-2020_06_47-mentu38.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/2017-09-2020_07_53-me8oulj.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2017-09-2020_07_53-me8oulj.jpg)

[Yanto]

I obviously wasn't clear before...so for avoidance of doubt......:clown:

[acun325]

I obviously wasn't clear before...so for avoidance of doubt......:clown:

How i can have Friends when i´m Register here 5 days ago? And i have normaly nothing to do here, because i am from Germany! I want show just this is not true what wrote Tom here!

[NZ_M3]

Maybe you truly believe these are real I really don’t know or care

Instead of posting two of my messages to you on ebay from months ago before your latest adverts (why crop that out by the way??) why don’t you simply address the points I have raised about these keyrings to show that these are indeed genuine? Instead of attempts to discredit me as if I have something to gain from this? I have nothing to gain at all as I am not selling any keyrings. You make it out like I am trying to say these are fakes so I can get a bargain from you? Let it be put on record that first offer of €350 was months ago before I realised these are suspect - quite happy to post up original message from ebay if you wish.

I have not posted your private replies to me on ebay to show that you wouldn’t sell the genuine one in the box even for €2000 or more yet you are willing to let these “genuine” keyring(s) go for €650 - is it 1 or 3 I am totally confused as you keep changing the number of these that you own.

There is no shame in calling these replicas if that’s what they are and to be honest I think you did a pretty good job at replicating it. Either way trying to pass them off as genuine is wrong.

And my offer before hand stands, prove these are genuine and €650 is yours. I even have friends in Germany that can grab this off you.

[NZ_M3]

Guys, if you own a good condition genuine keyring can you please post up high resolution photos of it for me and I’ll post up the photos the sellers has on ebay and you guys can compare and tell me if I am wrong.

[NZ_M3]

We'll let the public decide who is telling the truth shall we

Here's the time stamp from that screenshot you posted up - back in June this year when you first posted the keyring for sale:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4412/37163808666_461318668b_b.jpg


And here are your replies from ebay about this current listing:

1 or 3 keyrings?? hmmm I am confused:


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4357/37211272801_f82a23354d_b.jpg

Guess you forgot you told me how many you had


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4373/37211272671_44a9678a28_z.jpg

So you will not sell the genuine for 2000 euros yet you'll let the other genuine ones without box go for 650 euros??

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4405/37181760962_08c92c443d_b.jpg

And just to prove that you showed me 3 keyrings ... here's your threat that I'll be finished when you post this - can I please have your permission to post this photo or you can post up a high resolution for everyone's benefit

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4346/37211272461_d2ffe3af52_b.jpg

Again enough with the personal attacks, they are pointless ... address the points I have raised about your keyring. Let's discuss the facts shall we instead of just throwing personal insults at me?


Or as I said to you, let's let BMW decide shall we?

Brand-Protection-Team@bmwgroup.com
https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/brands-and-services/brand-protection.html

And no I haven't been so bored as to report you. As I said I have nothing to gain out of this, but if it's replica, then call it that. People still buy replicas when they can't get the real thing But passing something off as real is wrong and a crime as you say.

[alexk]

Here is the real deal

http://www.clubcsl.com/CSL/blog/20141105_180108.jpg

http://www.clubcsl.com/CSL/blog/20141105_180154.jpg

http://www.clubcsl.com/CSL/blog/20141105_180216.jpg

http://www.clubcsl.com/CSL/blog/20141105_182008.jpg

[Trawler]

Made in China. That's rubbish. At least acun325's is made in Germany :hahaha:

[Chad]

Hundreds of pounds for a key ring are people mad. Must be worth £5 tops :smokin:

[alexk]

Porsche GT3s also sell very expensive.
I would pay 5k EUR max. ;)

[select]

Just get this guy banned and his posts removed. End of Story.
If not for him trying to rip other people off then for him just having made 2 accounts on here just trying to push his auctions. There is nothing to be gained from having guys like him in this community. :smt077

[NZ_M3]

Appreciate the photo Alexk

Here are the photos he has on ebay of the "genuine" keyring for sale.
I'll let you guys decide if you think it's genuine or not and if I am wrong about my queries.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4391/36521643384_4195b711f8_o.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4388/37184370816_c3a663d849_o.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4419/37202319852_5ee8815afc_o.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4365/37202319762_6e3d7c8d21_o.jpg

[Trawler]

Now let me see. Fakes are normally from China, but in this instance they have the genuine article.

Never thought I would see Germany making fakes. Ah well live & learn.

Thanks for the heads up NZ M3

[acun325]

everybody here believe this idiot what want really make Replicas and sell and spend money for people from Terror Attacs in UK :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

https://abload.de/img/2017-09-2221_31_03-med5kwb.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2017-09-2221_31_03-med5kwb.jpg)

[Yanto]

everybody here believe this idiot what want really make Replicas and sell and spend money for people from Terror Attacs in UK :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

https://abload.de/img/2017-09-2221_31_03-med5kwb.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2017-09-2221_31_03-med5kwb.jpg)

Seriously....just fuck off.

[alexk]

everybody here believe this idiot what want really make Replicas and sell and spend money for people from Terror Attacs in UK :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

https://abload.de/img/2017-09-2221_31_03-med5kwb.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2017-09-2221_31_03-med5kwb.jpg)

Yes, we are like him and we believe him.

[Trawler]

Seriously....just fuck off.

For the absence of doubt

Verpiss dich

[glendog74]

I was gonna delete this thread but it's become rather amusing so will let it run for a while longer... :hahaha:

[acun325]

This show the quality from this Site! They let that be an idiot who slanders and others irritate with his lies!

[shimmy]

This show the quality from this Site! They let that be an idiot who slanders and others irritate with his lies!

Well said acunt325. :thumbs:

[Trawler]

This show the quality from this Site! They let that be an idiot who slanders and others irritate with his lies!

Yes, you are extremely lucky that we are a friendly bunch that let you post.

[M5 Powered]

I will give my 'genuine' CSL golf umbrella to the first moderator to kill this thread.

Thank you.

[glendog74]

I will give my 'genuine' CSL golf umbrella to the first moderator to kill this thread.

Thank you.

Lol! No.

[Trawler]

Nice, but wrong section

[Trawler]

Nice, but wrong section

Ignore as the post this was referring to has been removed.

[karbonkid]

Of course these are fake, they look like they should hang from a Christmas tree.

[alexk]

Of course these are fake, they look like they should hang from a Christmas tree.

Can someone photoshop this ?

Priceless...

[karbonkid]

Can someone photoshop this ?

Priceless...

?

[Roland]

Fake Christmas tree, fake Keyrings :smt044:smt044:smt044

[cslgirl]

😂

[alexk]

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::t humbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[glendog74]

:smt044

[select]

Top notch work!

Cant really tell if its photoshopped or not :hahaha:

[Mark CSL]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: