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scrubberamit
06-04-2017, 06:40 PM
Sadly.... the time has come to sell Rocky... Bought the car from Sytner BMW Gerrards Cross (since then they moved to High Wycombe) brand new in March 2004.
Wont bother posting photos up (unless totally necessary) as it's a silver Grey CSL and I think we know what they look like..
What i can say it has a full service History, paint work and carbon fiber is immaculate and PPF (by paintshield)..
If anyone is interested feel free to message me directly... cheers.
Amit
shimmy
06-04-2017, 08:31 PM
Are we bidding or is there a price>?
scrubberamit
06-04-2017, 09:28 PM
haahha -it's vulgar to talk about money in public squire!
glendog74
07-04-2017, 01:09 PM
Not very much info it has to be said... :whistle:
scrubberamit
10-04-2017, 02:07 PM
Car was registered to me in March 2004. Was serviced by Sytner BMW Gerrards Cross / High Wycombe until Summer of 2009, where it has continuosly been looked after by George at Technosport (i have introduced to him a few other CSL members and they too use him)
As for bodywork - it is totally spotless... regularly detailed and has been PPFd.
Inside is spotless apart from a small crack on the plastic of the rear seats.
The car did have quite a bit of work done on it to modernise it (but this has no been removed to get it back to standard)
1) full supersprint exhaust
2) alcon brakes
3) Moton suspension (£15k cost and only CSL to have this fitted)
4) Pistons / Rockers / Head / ECU all rebuilt and remapped with the assist of George's v good friend who helped develop the Pistons on the Mclaren F1 and now works for Williams F1
The car has now been fully put to standard and so essentially has new standard brakes / suspension / exhaust / engine build & ECU
Car has only done just over 40k miles and has never been tracked.
£58,000 ono
07966 151 405
no time wasters please xx
Marv968
10-04-2017, 05:10 PM
Good luck with the sale :thumbs:
Hope you're replacing it with something equally as special!
PeteGray
11-04-2017, 11:48 AM
Good luck with the sale - as asked before what's next?
Just sold my 39k miles one for a touch less than you're asking for your's. I'd say that your's is very well priced, and possibly slightly under priced, considering it's a one owner car in tip top condition.
Give yourself a better chance of selling it well and post some pictures though (for our voyeuristic pleasure if nothing else).
scrubberamit
13-05-2018, 01:45 PM
With great reluctance I now actually need to sell my one owner Silver Grey CSL. We are moving to Singapore in next 2m so need to sell the car ASAP.
1 owner.
Silver Grey.
46,000 miles on the clock.
Immaculate Paint & Carbon fibre - which has been PPfd by Paintshield.
Recently had interior cleaned and treated by Topaz.
Kick Plates are a bit milky.
Front seats have scratches on the back.
Small Crack on rear seats.
Full service history with invoices.Was serviced by Sytner BMW Gerrards Cross / High Wycombe until Summer of 2009, where it has continuously been looked after by George at Technosport (i have introduced to him a few other CSL members and they too use him)
Both sets of keys (incl carbon fibre CSL key fob)
CSL plaque on center console
£45,000 - no time wasters please.
If you are serious please call me on 07966 151 405
Amit
Chappers
13-05-2018, 03:32 PM
wow bargain!!!
sailorbaz
13-05-2018, 05:42 PM
Agreed, for a one owner car that is very reasonably priced.
Good luck with Singapore, (Y)
octainejunkee
25-05-2018, 01:27 AM
Have you thought of taking it with you..?
Also is the moton suspension for sale?
Glwts
Cheers jamie
TerribleExpert
25-05-2018, 10:44 PM
Having been to see this car and speaking to professionals who were offered it and declined it, anyone considering this would be very wise to get a professional inspection first....
Having been to see this car and speaking to professionals who were offered it and declined it, anyone considering this would be very wise to get a professional inspection first....
Wow..what happened?
TerribleExpert
25-05-2018, 11:16 PM
Wow..what happened?
I asked multiple times if it had been in an accident and was told no every time.
Considering it’s a one owner car and if the owner is to believed then I can only assume someone at the factory took it off the production line and threw it against the walls like a rag doll before delivery...likely story.
The evidence speaks for itself and is undeniable.
That’s not to say it’s not still worth strong money as they sure as hell are not making any more of these, but whoever buys it should understand fully what they are buying.
To add insult to injury no apology for giving false information or wasting my time either.
I asked multiple times if it had been in an accident and was told no every time.
Considering it’s a one owner car and if the owner is to believed then I can only assume someone at the factory took it off the production line and threw it against the walls like a rag doll before delivery...likely story.
The evidence speaks for itself and is undeniable.
That’s not to say it’s not still worth strong money as they sure as hell are not making any more of these, but whoever buys it should understand fully what they are buying.
To add insult to injury no apology for giving false information or wasting my time either.
Hi,, Shame you had to travel, only to find what you suspected.id put money on there’s been a good few sold in the past,with information missing in the description. As I’ve always said shiny paintwork means nothing. Personally I’d only consider a 15 year old £50k car if I could view with all panels removable removed,wings sills bumpers wheels off etc. If seller is not prepared to allow this ,walk away , this could only be good for a genuine car and seller,, I personally wouldn’t have a problem doing this for a genuine buyer :thumbs:
GregorFuk
26-05-2018, 07:31 AM
Personally I’d only consider a 15 year old £50k car if I could view with all panels removable removed,wings sills bumpers wheels off etc. If seller is not prepared to allow this ,walk away , this could only be good for a genuine car and seller,, I personally wouldn’t have a problem.
Really! I mean really really?
If someone rocked up to buy my car and started requesting I take front wings and side skirts off I’d be giving them a funny look. I’d go along with taking wheels off or perhaps finding a ramp so you could take a look underneath. But pulling body panels off? That would raise my time waster alarm.
Really! I mean really really?
If someone rocked up to buy my car and started requesting I take front wings and side skirts off I’d be giving them a funny look. I’d go along with taking wheels off or perhaps finding a ramp so you could take a look underneath. But pulling body panels off? That would raise my time waster alarm.
Hi, for a genuine buyer absolutely no problem , not typical tyre kicker, If somebody willing to spend 40-50 k what’s the problem couple of hrs taking bits and bobs off ,, pre arranged 2nd visit cash hand ,these cars are fairly old now some have been thrashed and bashed around tracks etc, So buyer want to know what they’re buying, personally I’d expect nothing less, if nothing to hide what’s the problem... il stick my neck out a say a car that’s been looked after and “properly” maintained by enthusiasts will now be in better condition overall than one that gets just an annual service at the average Indy or dealers, :thumbs:
Gazza
26-05-2018, 01:14 PM
Would you view a 1M or M2 at the same money and request the panels to be taken off ?
Ramp inspection is sufficient.
Removing panels is a bit excessive.:blalalala:
Would you view a 1M or M2 at the same money and request the panels to be taken off ?
Possibly not. As they not 15 years old,, unless I knew they had been tracked, e46 m3,has had a fair few Problems rust under sills under arches subframe £6- 10k m 3 not really an issue,, but on a £50k csl you really want the best example but potentially these have got the same problems :whistle:
Ramp inspection is sufficient.
Removing panels is a bit excessive.:blalalala: ok if you don’t mind catching a cold,, but personally I wouldn’t touch any version of the e46 m without full body inspection on a £45- £85k csl
TerribleExpert
26-05-2018, 04:41 PM
ok if you don’t mind catching a cold,, but personally I wouldn’t touch any version of the e46 m without full body inspection on a £45- £85k csl
I nearly caught the plague with this car :hahaha:
I nearly caught the plague with this car :hahaha:
I’m surprised none of the longer term members didn’t know of this car,if it’s had such a big crash ,, as it’s up for sale on forum :whistle: did you discover if damaged was done on a track day or a road accident, and what was the damage?? Very unfortunate for the owner
TerribleExpert
27-05-2018, 11:10 AM
Out of interest I’m keen to understand what value people would put on this?
To clarify I am 100% not buying this car I am merely curious to understand opinions. I imagine opinions will be wildly different.
Personally I’d be at £35k and I’d be taking it straight to a specialist and getting the repair work redone, but that’s just me. However I want an uncrashed one.
Thoughts?
GregorFuk
27-05-2018, 11:31 AM
Difficult to say without knowing the damage to be honest and nothing specific has been detailed. But assuming everything is straight i’ have it worth more than that.
TerribleExpert
27-05-2018, 12:19 PM
Difficult to say without knowing the damage to be honest and nothing specific has been detailed. But assuming everything is straight i’ have it worth more than that.
Welding work is very poor. Looks like it’s been front ended and rear quarter ended. Bumpers weren’t even adjusted properly.
Suspected none genuine bumper carrier, doors not aligned, HUGE crack in subframe. Looks like it’s been tracked a fair bit with the cracked ear seats and marks on back of both seats which look like wheels have been pulled in and out etc. It’s the fact it was front and rear end and the welding was shocking that put me off once I knew for sure.
Car was registered to me in March 2004. Was serviced by Sytner BMW Gerrards Cross / High Wycombe until Summer of 2009, where it has continuosly been looked after by George at Technosport (i have introduced to him a few other CSL members and they too use him)
As for bodywork - it is totally spotless... regularly detailed and has been PPFd.
Inside is spotless apart from a small crack on the plastic of the rear seats.
The car did have quite a bit of work done on it to modernise it (but this has no been removed to get it back to standard)
1) full supersprint exhaust
2) alcon brakes
3) Moton suspension (£15k cost and only CSL to have this fitted)
4) Pistons / Rockers / Head / ECU all rebuilt and remapped with the assist of George's v good friend who helped develop the Pistons on the Mclaren F1 and now works for Williams F1
The car has now been fully put to standard and so essentially has new standard brakes / suspension / exhaust / engine build & ECU
Car has only done just over 40k miles and has never been tracked.
£58,000 ono
07966 151 405
no time wasters please xx. Why would anybody fit brake kit, exhaust, suspension, then claim it’s never been tracked, really I mean really really :banghead:
Gazza
27-05-2018, 01:26 PM
I wonder what George at Technosport has to say ?
At the moment the owner says it’s not been crashed and ‘TerribleExpert’ says it has.
The point about track mods is valid imo.
TerribleExpert
27-05-2018, 01:36 PM
I wonder what George at Technosport has to say ?
At the moment the owner says it’s not been crashed and ‘TerribleExpert’ says it has.
The point about track mods is valid imo.
Happy to share the pictures proving my claims with anyone seriously considering buying it if required. It’s not on the guy needs calling out to come clean.
Just admit it and tell people and I bet people would still buy it. I may have bought it as a second one still for track use only had he have been honest and I could have come more prepared with people to check it over properly
Monkey
27-05-2018, 08:47 PM
A standard, genuine, unmolested and unfettled CSL in A1 condition with 40k and full service history with receipts might just scrape £60k imo.
Agree that modifications to that degree point towards track time, not an issue if the car has been maintained correctly but a concern it's claimed to never have seen the track.
The car that you're describing doesn't sound consistent with the description. I'd love to have a good look over this and compare with the numerous CSL's I've seen.
A little story- I was working at Munich's when a customer with an E46 M3 track car said he had sourced a freshly built CSL engine with bespoke ecu. Wanted big money.
I said I'd phone the owner of said engine and discuss it with him to see if it was worth buying. As soon as the guy answered the phone I recognised his voice. He clocked my voice too (I worked for his race team), and after some coaxing on my part he admitted it was the same engine we'd run in the Britcar 24hr at Silverstone a month earlier:whistle:
Some people will say anything for a quick buck:hahaha:
JBird
29-05-2018, 12:21 PM
I remember thinking it smelt a bit odd when the price was reduced from 59k, to to 45k. Thats a real cheek trying it on here. The VIN should be listed.
Now the owner has probably devalued the car more than if they had just been honnest.
TerribleExpert
29-05-2018, 12:25 PM
I remember thinking it smelt a bit odd when the price was reduced from 59k, to to 45k. Thats a real cheek trying it on here. The VIN should be listed.
Now the owner has probably devalued the car more than if they had just been honnest.
Agreed! I suspect I won't be the only person to have nearly been conned here.
VIN is WBSBL96020JC98522
He spouted a load of hot air to me that his lawyers would be speaking to NJ the following day (after calling NJ a few colourful names, he went from being a perfectly amicable nice chap on the phone to irate and abusive about NJ and the garage who caught him out very quickly). Funnily enough its been over a week and NJ hasn't heard a thing I don't believe and his number is plenty accessible online.
The guy chats chocolate and is trying it on.
Are there any pictures of all the damage?
TerribleExpert
29-05-2018, 02:32 PM
I wonder what George at Technosport has to say ?
At the moment the owner says it’s not been crashed and ‘TerribleExpert’ says it has.
The point about track mods is valid imo.
They are in liquidation and have a dormant company with a similar name sat there......
TerribleExpert
29-05-2018, 02:51 PM
Are there any pictures of all the damage?
See below:
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.34_zpsatmhqp0q.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.34_zpsatmhqp0q.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.29_zpsq24ted3d.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.29_zpsq24ted3d.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.41_zpsdeo4x5ml.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.41_zpsdeo4x5ml.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.30_zpsacan1r01.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.30_zpsacan1r01.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.31_zpsjpxa1map.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.31_zpsjpxa1map.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.32_zps4kew3xmw.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.32_zps4kew3xmw.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.23.08_zpspmapwke8.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.23.08_zpspmapwke8.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-21%20at%2021.39.13_zpssvuwlcit.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-21%20at%2021.39.13_zpssvuwlcit.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.44_zpswze6nxf5.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.44_zpswze6nxf5.jpeg.html)
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/TerribleExpert/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.43_zps4w2w5evv.jpeg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/TerribleExpert/media/WhatsApp%20Image%202018-05-24%20at%2012.29.43_zps4w2w5evv.jpeg.html)
Note the chassis number is partly visible and matched the V5. The BMW Group sticker looks pretty much brand new, none factory welds, the job report sheet which was mentioned, the HUGE crack....
I'd love to hear his defence for this and how he maintains it is none accident damaged....
rick355s
29-05-2018, 03:45 PM
I wonder what George at Technosport has to say ?
At the moment the owner says it’s not been crashed and ‘TerribleExpert’ says it has.
The point about track mods is valid imo.
I agreed to buy this car last week and left a deposit to confirm the purchase. Luckily for me, the power of social media prevailed, numerous parties contacted me suggesting this car is a lemon and the seller and garage should not be trusted. I have now walked away and my deposit has been refunded.
Facts: George at Technosport told me numerous times that the car had never been tracked and to the best of his knowledge, never been involved in an accident. He also stated that the sub-frame had been checked recently and only a small hairline crack was found, which was subsequently repaired.
Amit (the seller) categorically denies that the car has been involved in an accident and has also suggested that he has initiated legal proceedings against a particular dealer for lying and passing on totally fictitious photos.
I do believe the report is for the same car, the VIN number matches the photos that I took only last week.
I suggest that any person looking to purchase this car should carry out a thorough independent inspection to ensure they know what they are buying.
Back on the hunt for another CSL....
TerribleExpert
29-05-2018, 04:01 PM
It is also interesting that scrubberamit was last seen online on this forum yesterday at 6.28pm according to the forum stats....yet no comment.
Obviously I escaped without much financial cost, just my time and fuel, as did the chap below. However its the principle of it and its just so wrong.
Amit, genuinely, just come clean. I think the case has been proven that your lying, just drop the act and admit it. People will at least respect you more than they do now. If you genuinely are moving abroad then you need to move the car on, the car is pretty well known now I'd say judging by the amount of views this thread has received so just do the right thing, be open, honest and you'll find yourself in a better position to find a buyer.
Maybe I'm just a dreamer but treat people how you'd like to be treated (or better still) and you won't often go far wrong. That principle has done me well in business.
Just imagine how many different cars this company sells...just imagine how many of them are like this or worse...bad bad form.
Gazza
29-05-2018, 07:03 PM
Undeniable proof there.
GregorFuk
29-05-2018, 08:41 PM
Eeek. Where else is this advertised?
Trawler
29-05-2018, 09:06 PM
Wow. Hope nobody catches a cold on this one.
glendog74
29-05-2018, 11:26 PM
Ooft :banghead:
I'm preparing mine for sale at the moment... :whistle:
Gurbinder
30-05-2018, 02:08 PM
They are in liquidation and have a dormant company with a similar name sat there......
http://marketinglaw.osborneclarke.com/media-and-ip/12398/
Looking at companies House they owe BMW GMBH £100K.
HFLagos
01-06-2018, 02:51 PM
Have seen references to this sorry tale on both Instagram and m3cutters, disappointing if all true
TerribleExpert
02-06-2018, 08:12 AM
Have seen references to this sorry tale on both Instagram and m3cutters, disappointing if all true
I haven’t seen the instagram ones, I doubt even the best filter could make this look better :hahaha:
TerribleExpert
03-06-2018, 10:47 AM
Looks like our immoral friend has sold it to we buy any car who have it up at the BCA auction in Nottingham
scaramanga
04-06-2018, 07:39 AM
Just caught up on this thread.
Quite an incredible read and highlights the benefits of forums like this.
TerribleExpert - good on you for flagging. Sorry if I missed it but did you already share the VIN (or registration)?
TerribleExpert
04-06-2018, 08:26 AM
Just caught up on this thread.
Quite an incredible read and highlights the benefits of forums like this.
TerribleExpert - good on you for flagging. Sorry if I missed it but did you already share the VIN (or registration)?
:thumbs:
I’m a stickler for people trying to have others over.
It’s def at BCA the reg is shown. RK04YLP. Vin - WBSBL96020JC98522. Engine number 60103175.
Our “friend” scrubberamit has been online again since and still not done the right thing, has anyone actually met this clown?
M5 Powered
04-06-2018, 11:21 AM
Yes, I have met him but only very briefly at a Dads Day Out (Children's charity event). He helped in getting lots of the CSL register to go in 2010.
Am the same as you Terrible expert, I hate people being legged over, especially on cars such as these where people put in huge amounts of time and travel to procure what is often a 'dream car'.
I can't imagine 'We Buy Any Car' gave anything like what even a specialist
would even with full disclosure of the issues.
The job of the forum now is to keep tabs on this car so when (and not if) it turns up as a 1 owner garage queen at a performance car dealership the true history is there.
Kindest,
Jonathan
rick355s
04-06-2018, 11:16 PM
:thumbs:
I’m a stickler for people trying to have others over.
It’s def at BCA the reg is shown. RK04YLP. Vin - WBSBL96020JC98522. Engine number 60103175.
Our “friend” scrubberamit has been online again since and still not done the right thing, has anyone actually met this clown?
All my business with Amit was done over the phone - he claimed he was extremely busy and could not meet up. The viewing was done with George, who had the car stored @Technosport, along with some receipts, service book etc.
Amit knew he was selling a lemon as he was pushing for me to pay the full amount immediately, as he claimed he had another buyer waiting in the wings.
The power of social media and members on this forum saved my bacon!
As for webuyanycar, I did a quick appraisal before I agreed to buy the car - their on-line valuation was £39K.
The BCA Auction for this CSL is on the 21st June at Nottingham (pic attached). Note, no service history is provided with the vehicle.
I sincerely hope that any potential dealer/private buyer looking to purchase this CSL carries out their due dilegence!
JBird
05-06-2018, 10:38 AM
So webuyanycar just buy a CSL at book value, without seeing it, then blindly flog it off at an auction. Auctioneer then does not bother to mention the poorly repaired damage, despite it being well documented / fairly obvious. Absolute disgrace.
M5 Powered
05-06-2018, 11:52 AM
Sadly yep. I've actually sat through the 'we buy any car' buying process as part of some consultancy (my line of work is in CMS / e-commerce systems).
We Buy any Car is all software driven and so you have someone that knows f**k all about cars doing the 'buying'.
eg. Screen 1
Go outside...
1. Is there a car present in the car park YES / NO
2. Is it the correct colour to log book YES / NO
2. Start car and look for warning lights. Any present YES / NO
3. Does the car have four original wheels YES / NO
4. Service history YES / NO
5. Does the number plate match the log book. YES / NO
And so on...
Any deviation from this and they have to call an area manager. Same when it comes to the financial offer (which by the way always goes down) from the original price. So examples are... it has stone chips so take x % off. Oh a scratch... another x% off... and so on.
Then even when it comes to giving you the money, if you want the cash the same day they take a hefty % commission. It if you wait 10 days then it x % and at 30 days you get the agreed amount. (might be less time than this but you get the idea!)
So by putting the car through this process the lemon has been sold and undoubtedly the money was taken there and then.
Technically 'We Buy Any Car' could claim the money back if car deemed dangerous but I suspect they unaware / play the numbers game via the auction process where less legal come back.
Still hard to believe 1. Amit was a long-term member on here and 2. had the cheek to try and sell it to other members while not being truthful about the condition.
Saddest of all... the new owner will turn up on here thinking they just got a bargain CSL. :banghead:
It going down hill round here ;)
JBird
05-06-2018, 02:42 PM
It going down hill round here ;)
On the positive side the forum has saved a few people getting burned. I joined a long time before buying, and the knowledge from here made buying a no doubt / zero regret process.
Saddest of all... the new owner will turn up on here thinking they just got a bargain CSL
You'd have to be pretty daft to buy a CSL at auction on a whim, unless intending on parting it.
Speaking of daft: Romainan Scrapyard Car + Parts from this might = 1 good car??? Nah, shakes head, not at the prices they are wanting.
M5 Powered
05-06-2018, 06:13 PM
On the positive side the forum has saved a few people getting burned. I joined a long time before buying, and the knowledge from here made buying a no doubt / zero regret process.
I agree. The genuine people on here are exactly that.. helpful and honest. I bought my car post having had a few laps with Mr. Glendog at Donnington and a tip-off from here at 2am on a Sunday morning with regards to a pistonheads ad on a car.
I wanted a none tracked low mileage 04 CSL and that is what I managed to get by meeting the seller at 10am the next day (his phone was ringing off the hook). All slightly ironic as I was going to have the car as a track toy if kids / family had not got in the way + values not rocketed. I even bought a spare set of wheels from some dodgy bloke in Welwyn Garden City who had all sorts of stuff in his garage. Sh.... something was his name ;) :thumbs:
In terms of the auction car, it really depends on what the reserve is but I suspect it will go for strong money.
Kindest,
Jonathan
Yanto
05-06-2018, 06:50 PM
I agree. The genuine people on here are exactly that.. helpful and honest. I bought my car post having had a few laps with Mr. Glendog at Donnington and a tip-off from here at 2am on a Sunday morning with regards to a pistonheads ad on a car.
I wanted a none tracked low mileage 04 CSL and that is what I managed to get by meeting the seller at 10am the next day (his phone was ringing off the hook). All slightly ironic as I was going to have the car as a track toy if kids / family had not got in the way + values not rocketed. I even bought a spare set of wheels from some dodgy bloke in Welwyn Garden City who had all sorts of stuff in his garage. Sh.... something was his name ;) :thumbs:
In terms of the auction car, it really depends on what the reserve is but I suspect it will go for strong money.
Kindest,
Jonathan
Don’t forget that buckled front alloy wheel you managed to offload to me !
(Just kidding :hahaha:)
Yanto
05-06-2018, 06:51 PM
Yes, I have met him but only very briefly at a Dads Day Out (Children's charity event). He helped in getting lots of the CSL register to go in 2010.
Am the same as you Terrible expert, I hate people being legged over, especially on cars such as these where people put in huge amounts of time and travel to procure what is often a 'dream car'.
I can't imagine 'We Buy Any Car' gave anything like what even a specialist
would even with full disclosure of the issues.
The job of the forum now is to keep tabs on this car so when (and not if) it turns up as a 1 owner garage queen at a performance car dealership the true history is there.
Kindest,
Jonathan
Yup - I think I was there. Was the only time we’ve met. Seemed decent guy. Disappointed.
M5 Powered
06-06-2018, 02:41 PM
Don’t forget that buckled front alloy wheel you managed to offload to me !
Yanto, do you know how many rattle cans that wheel took to get the silver shade right? Not to mention two nights with the mig welder before. :hahaha: :beer:
AmirCSL1
06-06-2018, 04:49 PM
Good work finding this out..
Out of interest if someone bought the car and fixed the problems would people still be inclined to buy or is it 'too far gone' ?
Trawler
06-06-2018, 05:26 PM
Good work finding this out..
Out of interest if someone bought the car and fixed the problems would people still be inclined to buy or is it 'too far gone' ?
Good work finding this out..
Out of interest if someone bought the car and fixed the problems would people still be inclined to buy or is it 'too far gone' ?
Would depend what I wanted to do with it & the price, but a simple answer is no unless it was as rare as a gto & properly repaired to a high standard.
What else has been bodged on the car ? Maybe nothing, but do you have any faith in it now?
TerribleExpert
06-06-2018, 05:31 PM
What else has been bodged on the car ? Maybe nothing, but do you have any faith in it now?
Exactly. Previous owner was a bare faced liar. Most likely would be ok but we still have no idea what kind of accident it was involved in. If it were me I'd have took pictures of the damage and the repair process. If it wasn't that bad then surely this would seem logical with a car like this. Makes you wonder how bad it was.
My local specialist commented that it must of been substantial to do that damage in the rear quarter.
Exactly. Previous owner was a bare faced liar. Most likely would be ok but we still have no idea what kind of accident it was involved in. If it were me I'd have took pictures of the damage and the repair process. If it wasn't that bad then surely this would seem logical with a car like this. Makes you wonder how bad it was.
My local specialist commented that it must of been substantial to do that damage in the rear quarter. I suspect a track day crash of some kind , and not being able to claim off insurance, or mabe this could have done properly to bmw bodywork warranty standards,:whistle: how many others out there ???? I’ve personally spoken to a bmw tec sometime back that totally replaced a new body shell on a csl, but guess that’s a bonus..
M5 Powered
07-06-2018, 12:50 AM
Chad, I think this a one off. Most people on here can afford to fix their cars / take out some form of track day insurance.
I would never trust this car till it had been properly stripped down and inspected. And if going to such lengths, you might as well put a new shell on the thing if you can find one.
For me, this car just sits in 'no man's land'. Too expensive to break for parts. A small fortune to repair, and a blighted owner history which is too well known by everyone to ever get full value. Sounds like my sister-in-law...:hahaha:
Chad, I think this a one off. Most people on here can afford to fix their cars / take out some form of track day insurance.
I would never trust this car till it had been properly stripped down and inspected. And if going to such lengths, you might as well put a new shell on the thing if you can find one.
For me, this car just sits in 'no man's land'. Too expensive to break for parts. A small fortune to repair, and a blighted owner history which is too well known by everyone to ever get full value. Sounds like my sister-in-law...:hahaha:
Yep strange one ,, hopefully someone will get a very cheap csl at auction ,, will be interesting. :whistle:
JBird
07-06-2018, 10:10 AM
Good luck with your sister-in-law as well!
M5 Powered
07-06-2018, 11:56 AM
We Buy Any Whore.com :hahaha:
Trawler
07-06-2018, 12:35 PM
We Buy Any Whore.com :hahaha:
Track slag comes to mind :hahaha:
Poodle_E30_M3
20-06-2018, 09:43 PM
Looked on the BCA website and it’s been taken off!! Was up within the last two days! Wonder if it’s been taken of as they have recently found out it’s been badly damaged!!
Am glad I saw this post few weeks ago when the car came up on the BCA website as me and my brother thought about buying it! Thought we couldn’t go wrong with a one owner car! How wrong we could of been.. but cheers saved our bacon!!
Trawler
20-06-2018, 11:46 PM
Looked on the BCA website and it’s been taken off!! Was up within the last two days! Wonder if it’s been taken of as they have recently found out it’s been badly damaged!!
Am glad I saw this post few weeks ago when the car came up on the BCA website as me and my brother thought about buying it! Thought we couldn’t go wrong with a one owner car! How wrong we could of been.. but cheers saved our bacon!!
Thanks for the update & glad this forum was of assistance.
Poodle_E30_M3
13-07-2018, 05:54 PM
Well it seems they’ve done some digging and they’ve realised about the car!
Maybe evening getting money back of the original owner but it’s back on bca but now been declared!!
How do you add photos?!
Mark CSL
13-07-2018, 11:00 PM
https://imgur.com/
Upload them to imgur then copy the links here :thumbs:
Poodle_E30_M3
19-07-2018, 03:34 PM
Watched it go through, made £32,600 and sold!
They tried to start bidding at 40k went down to25k before bidding started! Went down £5000 at a time!
glendog74
20-07-2018, 12:04 AM
:banghead:
Trawler
21-07-2018, 12:01 AM
Wonder if the new owner will turn up on here?
rick355s
09-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Wonder if the new owner will turn up on here?
Looks like the CSL from hell has been put up for sale on ebay by the dealer who purchased it from auction....
Auction number 173460242329
Definitely the same car as it has the aftermarket carbon mirrors and the same service history!
Gazza
09-08-2018, 07:55 PM
No longer available
bromers
17-08-2018, 12:29 AM
"RK04" was that potentially one the intial BMW track cars? (There used to be a list of regards plates on BM3W) - they started their life in a tough environment.
Mperfect
22-01-2019, 02:19 PM
RK04YLP now available at Austin Owen Specialist Car Sales
£52,990
Mperfect
22-01-2019, 03:25 PM
Now been removed from their site. Appears they didn’t know history
Gold star to the original posters on here!:beer:
JBird
23-01-2019, 10:38 AM
And so the thread repeats itself from the beginning. We could be here a long time!
Straightsix
29-04-2019, 11:34 PM
Car was registered to me in March 2004. Was serviced by Sytner BMW Gerrards Cross / High Wycombe until Summer of 2009, where it has continuosly been looked after by George at Technosport (i have introduced to him a few other CSL members and they too use him)
As for bodywork - it is totally spotless... regularly detailed and has been PPFd.
Inside is spotless apart from a small crack on the plastic of the rear seats.
The car did have quite a bit of work done on it to modernise it (but this has no been removed to get it back to standard)
1) full supersprint exhaust
2) alcon brakes
3) Moton suspension (£15k cost and only CSL to have this fitted)
4) Pistons / Rockers / Head / ECU all rebuilt and remapped with the assist of George's v good friend who helped develop the Pistons on the Mclaren F1 and now works for Williams F1
The car has now been fully put to standard and so essentially has new standard brakes / suspension / exhaust / engine build & ECU
Car has only done just over 40k miles and has never been tracked.
£58,000 ono
07966 151 405
no time wasters please xx
Hi who is the bloke who did the engine work who now at Williams Grand Prix ? What did he do exactly redesign the components or spannering or what ?
Straightsix
30-04-2019, 01:01 AM
Still hard to believe 1. Amit was a long-term member on here and 2. had the cheek to try and sell it to other members while not being truthful about the condition.
Saddest of all... the new owner will turn up on here thinking they just got a bargain CSL. :banghead:
It going down hill round here ;)
There was a csl for sale in 2010.
£30k 30k mileage roughly
54 plate
SG
The guy name is ANIS who had 54 plate SG CSL £30k roughly around 30k mileage. I viewed his car. Didn’t bother driving it. Local to me. £30k. He said it wasn’t crashed. It was. I know because it had a new bonnet by bmw Dealer. I confronted him on it at the viewing
He denied it. Then wanted to know how I knew. I told him bmw told me. Anyway just goes to show the owner can be a member of CSL Register and it doesnt mean you are buying a "cream puff".
leaded
17-09-2019, 11:03 PM
Interesting to read this, anyone know where the car ended up? That was my inspection report done when we first got the car in for pre sale inspection.
M3yxb
18-09-2019, 03:21 AM
Wow what a story. Im sure that car will pop up again.
Is there no list on here like the Alpina Register with car info and a pic, last know etc.
Mperfect
18-09-2019, 11:44 AM
Registration list would be a fantastic resource.
M3 GT Register is a great means of quick precursory check on a cars history before undertaking a specialist to carry out physical inspection.
It would take significant input of someone’s time to get it up and running though.
outnumbered
18-09-2019, 05:07 PM
Registration list would be a fantastic resource.
M3 GT Register is a great means of quick precursory check on a cars history before undertaking a specialist to carry out physical inspection.
It would take significant input of someone’s time to get it up and running though.
Shimmy had a pretty extensive history of every car that had been on the forum and others - he probably doesn't update it any more though.
I've also got a spreadsheet, mainly based on adverts here or on Pistonheads with approx 250 different registrations covered (a few of which might be the same cars underneath)
Shimmy had a pretty extensive history of every car that had been on the forum and others - he probably doesn't update it any more though.
I've also got a spreadsheet, mainly based on adverts here or on Pistonheads with approx 250 different registrations covered (a few of which might be the same cars underneath)
?? Out of interest does service history / mot history data base! tally up if registration have been changed, eg to private registration , ??:whistle:
Mperfect
19-09-2019, 02:11 PM
?? Out of interest does service history / mot history data base! tally up if registration have been changed, eg to private registration , ??:whistle:
Sorry don’t follow. I'm little slow on the uptake sometimes:hahaha:. Are you talking about RK04YLP or just generally?
Sorry don’t follow. I'm little slow on the uptake sometimes:hahaha:. Are you talking about RK04YLP or just generally?
In general, as I’ve noticed gaps in mot history on some vehicles, just wondering if a chance to private regs Doesn’t always show history..:whistle:
Mike R
20-09-2019, 09:20 AM
In general, as I’ve noticed gaps in mot history on some vehicles, just wondering if a chance to private regs Doesn’t always show history..:whistle:
You might find it is something as simple as being off the road for that period of time. A few years ago mine was off the road for 18 months waiting for cams from BMW :banghead:.
M3yxb
21-09-2019, 01:29 AM
Well I am on the hunt for my CSL. Seen a few and hopefully do a deal soon.
Once it arrives will be happy to help build the register and some sort of gallery list. Car spotters are usually handy for this and instagram.
CraigMillwardCroft
21-09-2019, 07:22 PM
Well I am on the hunt for my CSL. Seen a few and hopefully do a deal soon.
Once it arrives will be happy to help build the register and some sort of gallery list. Car spotters are usually handy for this and instagram.
Good luck with your search :thumbs:
M3yxb
22-09-2019, 03:05 AM
Thanks CraigMillwardCroft
Another viewing done. Getting closer. :smt041
rstoughy
22-09-2019, 01:09 PM
You might find it is something as simple as being off the road for that period of time. A few years ago mine was off the road for 18 months waiting for cams from BMW :banghead:.
Or like mine, In secure storage for 4 years so a huge gap in service history. MOT history will back that up though but still looks odd in the book.
CraigMillwardCroft
22-09-2019, 04:18 PM
Or like mine, In secure storage for 4 years so a huge gap in service history. MOT history will back that up though but still looks odd in the book.
Once yours is all back together they will see why its been off the road for a while :thumbs:
Or like mine, In secure storage for 4 years so a huge gap in service history. MOT history will back that up though but still looks odd in the book.
That’s a great line :smokin: that’s what I’ll say if I ever sell,, it’s been in storage for 15 years ! That way it’s got no service history :beer:
ac427
22-02-2020, 05:03 PM
Hi who is the bloke who did the engine work who now at Williams Grand Prix ? What did he do exactly redesign the components or spannering or what ?
Anyone?
Mike R
24-02-2020, 11:37 AM
Anyone?
Do you mean Darragh at Everything M3?
Burgess
18-09-2020, 09:26 AM
Definitely not Darragh. We were both still travelling on the F1 merry go round until very recently.
Interesting to see where this car ends up. Certainly a Vin No. to take note when looking for a car.
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread. I came across this just looking for some information about Technosport and George as they seemed to have stopped trading and I was wondering what happened as I knew George well. He looked after my cars when I owned BMWs and I did a fair bit of work for him too and spent a fair amount of time at his workshop. I got bored with BMWs and just fell out of touch with him a few years back.
Anyway, posting as I might be able to shed a little light on this CSL (if anyone still cares about it). Now I can't be 100% sure its the same car, but given the mods and engine work in particular mentioned I think it is. I saw this car often at Technosport and I think it spent more time there than with the owner (who I never met).
At one point I saw it damaged (or maybe he just mentioned it I can't be sure as it was a long time ago) and asked what had happened and George told me the owner had just picked it up after all the mods and engine work and when driving on a motorway exit/entry (I think that's right) given it a hefty dose of throttle except that with the car being a fair bit more powerful now than before it span out and ended up in the armco. This happened pretty shortly after he had picked up the car, maybe even the same day or week.
Given that it ended up back with George so soon its possible it wasn't ever tracked? Who knows, I'm just speculating. Certainly the accident damage was not track related though.
I wonder what ever happened to it.
missy
29-04-2022, 09:23 PM
I suppose you believe in Santa as well 😉
I suppose you believe in Santa as well 😉
I really do!
I don?t think George would have had any reason to lie to me about it? maybe the owner wasn?t honest with George. Who knows.
Having said that I have been a bit surprised by some of the comments about interactions some people had with Technosport. Certainly wasn?t my experience but I wouldn?t deny that they had bad experiences and perhaps sometimes bad things did happen.
Just providing what little information I have. It could well be wrong but that?s what I was told.
R60BBA
07-06-2022, 12:45 AM
I really do!
I don?t think George would have had any reason to lie to me about it? maybe the owner wasn?t honest with George. Who knows.
Having said that I have been a bit surprised by some of the comments about interactions some people had with Technosport. Certainly wasn?t my experience but I wouldn?t deny that they had bad experiences and perhaps sometimes bad things did happen.
Just providing what little information I have. It could well be wrong but that?s what I was told.
I had bad experiences with them. They are (or ‘were’ should I say) cowboys in my book.
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