DCT.. could be getting close

[hoshy]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.eliseracing.com/#!syvecs-h-pro-dct-gearbox/c23ig

I think there's nothing I'd like more in an otherwise standard CSL than a silky smooth 7sp DCT.

[toenheel]

Interesting, I wonder what sort of cost??

[GregorFuk]

This was my one take away from my recent M2 test drive. Wish I could get this box in the CSL.

[select]

[...]I think there's nothing I'd like more in an otherwise standard CSL than a silky smooth 7sp DCT.

I wouldn't. +50kg Heavier, Boring and not faster compared to SMG II at full chat.
Only downside to SMG is its clunkyness at slow speeds, which i don't care about.

[Trawler]

This was my one take away from my recent M2 test drive. Wish I could get this box in the CSL.

No way. The gearbox is part of the cars character.

It's a bit like buying a vintage car and then fitting a gearbox with synchromesh because you can't double de clutch. Defeats the whole point of owning the car.

[hoshy]

I wouldn't. +50kg Heavier, Boring and not faster compared to SMG II at full chat.
Only downside to SMG is its clunkyness at slow speeds, which i don't care about.

Each to their own :)

Where abouts in Germany are you?

RE cost - I have a preliminary breakdown of the main parts and it's looking around 8K GBP all in I'd say. Along with that you get a top of the line standalone management system too.

[select]

Living in a small town in bavaria surely helps. :blalalala:
But imho the smg is part of the csl's character.

[hoshy]

Living in a small town in bavaria surely helps. :blalalala:
But imho the smg is part of the csl's character.

Helps what?? #confused

I won't try to change your mind, it's a valid point and a choice dependant on style and wants.

For me a few kgs placed in a strategically placed area and a cost not hideously more then a full SMG refresh are a good trade off to keep the car close to standard, but fresh, happier, smoother, more responsive and more reliable- the system in question is highly configurable with enough time investment and doesn't compromise any/many standard features. DCT is the way forward. The concept of elegantly getting new tech in an older/classic car is quite appealing to me as one car person.

Look at what Singer do with old Porsches - to me it's awesome.

Don't get me wrong, the next step wouldn't be a v8 or turbo/sc - the heart of the car is a straight6 with that classic M3 balance between race and street pushed just a touch more hardcore - DCT can only add to that imho. It fixes what many, if not all ;-) see as the weakest link.

I'm glad some people want to keep things perfectly as they were.

[AlexGTT]

I wouldn't. +50kg Heavier, Boring and not faster compared to SMG II at full chat.
Only downside to SMG is its clunkyness at slow speeds, which i don't care about.

No way. The gearbox is part of the cars character.

It's a bit like buying a vintage car and then fitting a gearbox with synchromesh because you can't double de clutch. Defeats the whole point of owning the car.

Living in a small town in bavaria surely helps. :blalalala:
But imho the smg is part of the csl's character.

All the above. SMG to CSL spec is part of the character of the car and I love it.

I have an M2 and I wouldn't have the DCT from it in the CSL. It would be the thing of nightmares for me!

[select]

Well, i usually don't have to sit in traffic with my csl because there isn't much any in my small town. And i don't drive the csl when i plan to visit the city nearby. Thats what i meant with the "small village" claim.

I am genuinely curious about your endeavour and would like to hear about the progress and problems that may arise in the process. I think my post came across the wrong way, i did not mean to mock you, i just wanted to make clear what the possible drawbacks are.

The csl being your daily driver makes your decision all the more understandable.

DCT can only add to that imho. It fixes what many, if not all ;-) see as the weakest link.

Its only the weakest link, because all of the remaining "links" are that strong :hahaha:
In all seriousness, i've read about its problems but i have yet to experience any gearbox related issues. Its mostly americans mocking the SMG because of their strong affection towards manuals.

[shimmy]

All the above. SMG to CSL spec is part of the character of the car and I love it.

I have an M2 and I wouldn't have the DCT from it in the CSL. It would be the thing of nightmares for me!

spot on

[AlexGTT]

spot on

That, or we are moaning old gits stuck in our ways! ;)

[hoshy]

Interesting! I genuinely felt there would be more support for a DCT option! Well, I'm not a forum regular and I guess a lot of people, perhaps wisely, don't use their CSL as a daily.

Actually it's not a daily for me either as I don't strictly need a car but regardless, to my mind DCT would bring it closer to the dream.

If I do go ahead I'll certainly report back - would likely be a winter project this year. At the moment it looks like one would need to use the DCT shift stick / update the paddles which isn't ideal - needs to look 100% stock imho.

Select - I also live in a small Bavarian town - though probably more traffic than yours 😂 I'm pretty often at Ampfing Kartbahn abusing the tyres of my schalter kart - a proper sequential gearbox! If you're into karting or fancy getting the Bavarian CSL owners together drop me a line.

[hoshy]

That, or we are moaning old gits stuck in our ways! ;)

:whistle:

[Trawler]

select/hoshy,

Are you south of Mûnchen? Just wondering as I pop over to just north of Salzburg now and again. Never know we might be able to meet up.

[_Nathan_]

Tell the prick who owns Elise racing he owes me money still :thumbs:

Utterly untrustworthy.

[select]

select/hoshy,

Are you south of Mûnchen? Just wondering as I pop over to just north of Salzburg now and again. Never know we might be able to meet up.

no.. north of munich. nuremberg to be precise. But i do plan to drive on the salzburgring this year. But considering it would be my very first trackday, i am happy to meet up with some experienced drivers. :gayfight:

Defiantly interested in a meet up, trawler

[Trawler]

no.. north of munich. nuremberg to be precise. But i do plan to drive on the salzburgring this year. But considering it would be my very first trackday, i am happy to meet up with some experienced drivers. :gayfight:

Defiantly interested in a meet up, trawler

Spent a little time in Nuremberg a few years back. Work related with Siemens.

Drove the salzburgring once with BMW. At one time we had a mountain storm. Never been so scared as we had to follow the instructor and honestly you could barely see the rear lights of the car in front. Some of the drivers wanted to stop as the rain was unbelievable.

When I'm next in Germany I will let you know.

[hoshy]

Trawler, Select - I'm Munich area - also in for a meet.

Nathan - interesting - drop me a PM if you have a genuine story/warning.

[_Nathan_]

He told me he was going to return a Cosworth part, never did despite repeated chasing, then said he was going to pay for it and never did despite repeated chasing. Bloke is a liar and a thief simple as that. Was trading as ATF Power at the time but closed it down (presumably with a load of debt) and set up new company.

The ECU that he "developed" is just a Syvecs in his own box, the DCT stuff was written by Syvecs and jointly paid for by him and these guys: http://www.garagewhifbitz.co.uk/news/a-world-first-whifbitz-supra-dual-clutch-transmission-conversion/

so you can get exactly the same Syvecs ECU with DCT control from whifbitz and avoid having to deal with him.

Others are developing DCT solutions too, give it 6 months and there will be more choice.

[hoshy]

He told me he was going to return a Cosworth part, never did despite repeated chasing, then said he was going to pay for it and never did despite repeated chasing. Bloke is a liar and a thief simple as that. Was trading as ATF Power at the time but closed it down (presumably with a load of debt) and set up new company.

The ECU that he "developed" is just a Syvecs in his own box, the DCT stuff was written by Syvecs and jointly paid for by him and these guys: http://www.garagewhifbitz.co.uk/news/a-world-first-whifbitz-supra-dual-clutch-transmission-conversion/

so you can get exactly the same Syvecs ECU with DCT control from whifbitz and avoid having to deal with him.

Others are developing DCT solutions too, give it 6 months and there will be more choice.

I saw the whifbitz link, was how I found the eliseracing searching for more on syvecs - was it Gareth you dealt with?

Am happy to wait bit as it's a winter project anyway. Don't want to write off the company based on one experience but duly noted - thanks

[_Nathan_]

Yep, Gareth is the aforementioned liar :beer:

[hoshy]

Yep, Gareth is the aforementioned liar :beer:

Still in very early conversations with him but if it does go anywhere I'll mention he might want to do some damage control here! I'm sure he's got a side of the story but I don't wanna get involved!

All I've got in mind is a fast-road tuned launch on normal tyres followed by 6 fast, clunkfree, shifts at the redline.... :drool: :drool: :drool: