SG 17K miles for sale at Munich Legends

[estoril]

http://www.munichlegends.co.uk/item/bmw-e46-m3-csl-16900

[sailorbaz]

Car has a non-standard rear diffuser... or is it just the photos?

[mattCSLnut]

Car has a non-standard rear diffuser... or is it just the photos?
I think you might be onto something there Barry, well spotted ... compare it agains my original 2003 OEM diffuser in the pic enclosed.
.... also check out the shocking condition of the steering wheel :119:

[Chappers]

Looks like a few of those 16,000 miles were quite hard, doesn't it? Can't say it looks in much better condition than mine does with 107,000 more.

[mattCSLnut]

Looks like a few of those 16,000 miles were quite hard, doesn't it? Can't say it looks in much better condition than mine does with 107,000 more.

:smt045 I'd say most of them :whistle:
So much for that " low mileage CSLs better than any other " BS . :blalalala:

That thing looks like it's had a right old kicking from most of its 5 previous owners :bigcry: Poor Cecil :smt056

[SSS]

Looks like a few of those 16,000 miles were quite hard, doesn't it? Can't say it looks in much better condition than mine does with 107,000 more.

Obviously I am in the market for a CSL and I am not sure that we can make these assumptions.

If the steering wheel is badly steam cleaned then it could account for this appearance. I had one of theses steering wheels on my E30 and it looked awful after a month.

What we need to know before we assume that the car has had a hard life is:
Has the floor been replaced: Binary: yes "probably tracked in view of low mileage" / no "represents it's low mileage"

Has the car been painted (eg track gravel rash)

Any signs of wing corrosion: daily use/road salt

If the car has not been painted, the floor is original and is on the original tyres (I suspect there will be receipts for tyre changes) then it might be that it has had one owner with sweaty hands ;)

[Mike R]

The thing of most concern to me is the reason for the rear diffuser replacement and why it wasn't replaced with a genuine one (or if it is genuine, why it hasn't been painted properly).

[Chappers]

Obviously I am in the market for a CSL and I am not sure that we can make these assumptions.


You're right. To be fair, 16,000 miles is still over half way round the world, even if it's done over 13 years. My motorbike definitely didn't look brand new at 16,000 miles. It looked well used, so if it any of the 5 previous owners weren't the Star Wars Collectibles mint-in-original-packaging type then it's inevitably going to pick up a few scratches here and there.

Also a lot of/probably nearly all of the high mileage cars have had crap-loads of stuff replaced over their life times, where as this might be 16,000 miles of factory original parts. Whether or not that matters to you is personal preferences. It obviously matters to someone otherwise they wouldn't be worth more.

A 13 year old car that just needs the steering wheels replaced and is otherwise completely original is actually pretty good, isn't it?

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Obviously I am in the market for a CSL and I am not sure that we can make these assumptions.

If the steering wheel is badly steam cleaned then it could account for this appearance. I had one of theses steering wheels on my E30 and it looked awful after a month.

What we need to know before we assume that the car has had a hard life is:
Has the floor been replaced: Binary: yes "probably tracked in view of low mileage" / no "represents it's low mileage"

Has the car been painted (eg track gravel rash)

Any signs of wing corrosion: daily use/road salt

If the car has not been painted, the floor is original and is on the original tyres (I suspect there will be receipts for tyre changes) then it might be that it has had one owner with sweaty hands ;)

Gravel rash can come from our roads look at the state of them, at least the tracks are in very good condition, so not much chance of the rash unless you go into the kitty litter :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Gravel rash can come from our roads look at the state of them, at least the tracks are in very good condition, so not much chance of the rash unless you go into the kitty litter :whistle:

Exactly right Craig :smokin: Track surfaces are pristine by comparison to our filthy UK roads :banghead: especially this time the year.

[mattCSLnut]

If the steering wheel is badly steam cleaned then it could account for this appearance. I had one of theses steering wheels on my E30 and it looked awful after a month.
... it might be that it has had one owner with sweaty hands ;)

Nothing to do with sweaty hands to get it looking like that... worn & ruffled ;) However racing gloves will make it look like that after a few TDs :whistle:
Here's a pic of my steering wheel that's done 50K ish miles :thumbs:

[cslsuperfan]

Steering wheel is navel lint TBH and reflects 1% of sale price if you buy from the stealers

Rear diffuser is all cf unpainted?

ML would rectify this as a matter of car prep prior to the new owner collecting.

70K for 17,000 miles seems OK given the current lunacy with csl prices.

It is such a shame that virtually all CSL's sold in 2016 and beyond will never be "driven"

:smokin:

[SSS]

Nothing to do with sweaty hands to get it looking like that... worn & ruffled ;) However racing gloves will make it look like that after a few TDs :whistle:
Here's a pic of my steering wheel that's done 50K ish miles :thumbs:


Ok but what if we assume that all 5-7 owner CSLs have been on track.

Then the only diagnostic factor will be total amount of miles and if painted and if boot floor done

If miles low, boot floor is virgin, no paint work then these are distinguishing factors

Not sure if I am correct with this but that's how I think

[mattCSLnut]

Steering wheel is navel lint TBH and reflects 1% of sale price if you buy from the stealers

Rear diffuser is all cf unpainted?

ML would rectify this as a matter of car prep prior to the new owner collecting.

70K for 17,000 miles seems OK given the current lunacy with csl prices.

It is such a shame that virtually all CSL's sold in 2016 and beyond will never be "driven"

:smokin:

At £70K large asking price from a leading BMW Indy that CSL needs to have all these little things resolved properly using genuine BMW parts to a very high standard prior to the Ad going live, as otherwise it makes the seller (ML) look a bit amateurish, which is very unlike them.
All said with due respect and entirely IMHO ;) :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Ok but what if we assume that all 5-7 owner CSLs have been on track.

Then the only diagnostic factor will be total amount of miles and if painted and if boot floor done

If miles low, boot floor is virgin, no paint work then these are distinguishing factors

Not sure if I am correct with this but that's how I think
One can assume all he or she likes. Excellent condition & impeccable Service History is all that really matters when someone genuinely wants a great CSL to use as BMW "M" Gods intended. Low mileage does NOT guarantee either and only deludes potential buyers into false sense of security.
BTW... original paint ?!?! especially the shitty waterbased crap that chips easier than porcelain, on a 14 year old BMW :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: Good luck with that :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[estoril]

It might not be their car to sell, they could be selling it on a commission basis which means that any rectification is done at the owner's discretion.

[SSS]

One can assume all he or she likes. Excellent condition & impeccable Service History is all that really matters when someone genuinely wants a great CSL to use as BMW "M" Gods intended. Low mileage does NOT guarantee either and only deludes potential buyers into false sense of security.
BTW... original paint ?!?! especially the shitty waterbased crap that chips easier than porcelain, on a 14 year old BMW :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: Good luck with that :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

But there in lies the discussion.

Is this low mileage example worth more than a 100K example. Yes and proportionally so.

Is it priced accordingly.... It depends. It is worth what one is prepared to pay for it.

If shares/oil/China keep on going down then no.
If the world economy improves then yes

I am too inexperienced to know about rear splitters so I can't comment. The steering wheel is a matter for debate.

My mother could ruin her E46 seat in 6K miles as her clothes and the position of the seat were not optimal.
So the wheel could be rough from rings, or driving gloves.

But if we assume that we do not know if a CSL with 5 owners has been tracked or not then all we can go on is the mileage, history, chassis stress and paint.

I think water based paint or not there is a correlation between paint and usage.

ML can sell sand to the Arabs if they wish. Their reputation allows that, they have a world wide customer base and there is security when buying from them hence they can command more.

[Pooky]

Enquired with ML abut selling my car for me, never got a call back. Need to keep up high standards if they want to get these high prices.

[MarcM]

One can assume all he or she likes. Excellent condition & impeccable Service History is all that really matters when someone genuinely wants a great CSL to use as BMW "M" Gods intended. Low mileage does NOT guarantee either and only deludes potential buyers into false sense of security.
BTW... original paint ?!?! especially the shitty waterbased crap that chips easier than porcelain, on a 14 year old BMW :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: Good luck with that :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Agreed

[nw99]

Saw the car last week lovely condition great service history all the stamps etc.

[mattCSLnut]

Saw the car last week lovely condition great service history all the stamps etc.

Nigel, are you sure you were looking at the same car ? ;) or did you not notice the steering wheel, the rear console, the rear valance or the rusty bolts under the bonnet ? all of which I/we can see from the small pix in the unfinished Ad.

[nw99]

Nigel, are you sure you were looking at the same car ? ;) or did you not notice the steering wheel, the rear console, the rear valance or the rusty bolts under the bonnet ? all of which I/we can see from the small pix in the unfinished Ad.

Matt yes that was the car it was pouring with rain will look tomorrow as I am there picking up my M5 Estate .

[Jon8710]

But there in lies the discussion.

Is this low mileage example worth more than a 100K example. Yes and proportionally so.

Is it priced accordingly.... It depends. It is worth what one is prepared to pay for it.

If shares/oil/China keep on going down then no.
If the world economy improves then yes

I am too inexperienced to know about rear splitters so I can't comment. The steering wheel is a matter for debate.

My mother could ruin her E46 seat in 6K miles as her clothes and the position of the seat were not optimal.
So the wheel could be rough from rings, or driving gloves.

But if we assume that we do not know if a CSL with 5 owners has been tracked or not then all we can go on is the mileage, history, chassis stress and paint.

I think water based paint or not there is a correlation between paint and usage.

ML can sell sand to the Arabs if they wish. Their reputation allows that, they have a world wide customer base and there is security when buying from them hence they can command more.


Who gives a monkeys if it's been on a few track days ??

Iv done a 4-5 in my Csl last being spa

And when I got it back from the dealer last month they said not one thing to even advise me on immaculate they said.
I doubt you could say the same for a sub 20k car that's sat perishing in a garage for 12 years.
When I got mine I got all hung up on ooooh don't want one that's been within 10 miles of a track, now Iv driven mine hard on a track I don't really see the point in driving it on the road !!!!
Life's to short, drive it hard through tunnels with the windows down
Balls to it !

[SSS]

Who gives a monkeys if it's been on a few track days ??

Iv done a 4-5 in my Csl last being spa

And when I got it back from the dealer last month they said not one thing to even advise me on immaculate they said.
I doubt you could say the same for a sub 20k car that's sat perishing in a garage for 12 years.
When I got mine I got all hung up on ooooh don't want one that's been within 10 miles of a track, now Iv driven mine hard on a track I don't really see the point in driving it on the road !!!!
Life's to short, drive it hard through tunnels with the windows down
Balls to it !

Exactly, you are agreeing with me.

They were bought for tracking. This is the point. If we are being critical of this car because of its steering wheel because it has been driven with driving gloves then ultimately it is still lower mileage than most.

I could not care if the one I buy has 12000 or 120000 miles as long as the price is a reflection.

I think the ML car is value for money.

p.s. last time I looked my car was not perishing in its garage.

[cslsuperfan]

Who gives a monkeys if it's been on a few track days ??

Iv done a 4-5 in my Csl last being spa
Iv driven mine hard on a track I don't really see the point in driving it on the road !!!!
Life's to short, drive it hard through tunnels with the windows down
Balls to it !


Totally Agree John

All my road miles are getting to and from Spa/Ring

UK roads are shite and dangerous if you're getting a lick on.

[mattCSLnut]

Who gives a monkeys if it's been on a few track days ??

Iv done a 4-5 in my Csl last being spa

And when I got it back from the dealer last month they said not one thing to even advise me on immaculate they said.
I doubt you could say the same for a sub 20k car that's sat perishing in a garage for 12 years.
When I got mine I got all hung up on ooooh don't want one that's been within 10 miles of a track, now Iv driven mine hard on a track I don't really see the point in driving it on the road !!!!
Life's to short, drive it hard through tunnels with the windows down
Balls to it !

:smt038 We certainly did that, last Sunday :smt047 ... there's a little video being edited :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Matt yes that was the car it was pouring with rain will look tomorrow as I am there picking up my M5 Estate .

Well that explains a lot ;) You know what they say... never view a car in the pouring rain ;)
Best of luck tomorrow with the E61 M5 Wagon collection :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

Is this low mileage example worth more than a 100K example. Yes and proportionally so.



Do you really believe that 17K miles CSL @ £70,000 is £23,000 better than my immaculate 92K miles CSL ? How is that proportionate ?
Also if (as you later say) it's such great value for money why haven't you bought it yet ? :whistle:

[SSS]

Do you really believe that 17K miles CSL @ £70,000 is £23,000 better than my immaculate 92K miles CSL ? How is that proportionate ?
Also if (as you later say) it's such great value for money why haven't you bought it yet ? :whistle:

The market is the market

Why is it that there is a 1M for sale for 38k with 40000 miles but one for circa 60k with 10k in Pistonheads

It's the way the market values cars.

Why have I not bought it yet? Because I have a car that I don't want to use to drive to work in.

What I am looking for is something that can be used every day to drive to work in.

I missed the one on here two months ago
£39k with 62000 miles, and yes I am kicking myself.

That sold quite quickly on this forum. Yours has not

[Jon8710]

Brace for the on slaught ................

[SSS]

Brace for the on slaught ................


res ipsa loquitur

[nw99]

Well that explains a lot ;) You know what they say... never view a car in the pouring rain ;)
Best of luck tomorrow with the E61 M5 Wagon collection :smokin:

Thanks, I wasn't viewing the CSL I just happened to be there when it came in .

[jupe777]

Reference the steering wheel, one of mine ended up looking exactly like that when I tried cleaning it. I was too harsh with my cleaning and properly ballsed it up :banghead: It wasn't even that bad before I started :banghead:

So I sent it to Jack at Royal and he did a great job re-covering it, it's now lovely jubbly so I had the other one done.

If I had to call it I would say the owner did the same. It does then make you think that the owner is not worried about getting the car mint for sale and not replacing/repairing any niggles which it will undoubtedly have. I would certainly check the rubber door seals to see if they are in good order or have been glued back together. All that said in the current market the price seems lowish but no doubt is reflective of the bit of tlc required.

[Mike R]

The market is the market

Why is it that there is a 1M for sale for 38k with 40000 miles but one for circa 60k with 10k in Pistonheads

It's the way the market values cars.

Why have I not bought it yet? Because I have a car that I don't want to use to drive to work in.

What I am looking for is something that can be used every day to drive to work in.

I missed the one on here two months ago
£39k with 62000 miles, and yes I am kicking myself.

That sold quite quickly on this forum. Yours has not


That last comment is a bit harsh, especially as you haven't viewed the car. Reading between the lines of people that HAVE, the only reason that it HASN'T sold is that it is one of those cars that doesn't quite fit what people want.

You seem to have two types of buyer at the moment, one who wants a mint low mileage car as a potential investment or someone who wants a high mileage car that has been obviously "used", so they don't feel precious about it and can continue to add miles to it.

Matt's car falls in between the two - it is an immaculate high mileage car - so people viewing it who wanted a car to be used have felt that it was TOO GOOD to do this to and those who have wanted a low mileage car have been put off even viewing it, purely because of the mileage.

[mattCSLnut]

The market is the market

It's the way the market values cars.

Why have I not bought it yet? Because I have a car that I don't want to use to drive to work in.

What I am looking for is something that can be used every day to drive to work in.

I missed the one on here two months ago
£39k with 62000 miles, and yes I am kicking myself.

That sold quite quickly on this forum. Yours has not


Chris... once again you're using presumption as you main source of information :banghead: and you haven't even answered my original question.
The FACT is: I've effectively SOLD my car twice already, within the first few weeks of it being advertised at end of last year and the second sale was actually sabotaged by another seller by under pricing his lower mileage CSL under my FOR SALE price to secure his quick sale off the back of mine. So yes... it SOLD quickly because it was priced well below its actual value while there was a cash ready buyer about, primed to pull the trigger.
Incidentally, I don't blame my buyer for going for the other car as I would have done the same, if I was in his position. It's simply impossible to compete with that kind of sale tactics :banghead:

I have since turned down five £38 - £40 K offers point blank as I'm not desperate to sell, unlike some out there, despite my car currently being the cheapest one available FOR SALE, not only in the UK but also in Europe.

I hope your obsession with odometer reading and a futile attempt at lowering the CSL values (single handedly for your own benefit) on CSL forum, of all places ;) doesn't get in a way of you realising your CSL dream.
As much as you may not want to hear this, the CSL Market is predominantly driven by strong hand owner / owner sellers and re-sellers being firm and not buyer with a mildly hostile " I know better "attitude ;)
From what I've read so far my impression is you're waiting for that "quick & desperate" sale of a 60K ish mile CSL at around the £35-£40K mark (i'm guessing) wanting it all your way but unfortunately for you that Boat has long sailed :smt039

[SSS]

Not at all.
Your car is not the cheapest for sale at the moment. There are two that are cheaper and BOTH have considerably lower mileage.

If your car has "sold" twice yet not sold then one would have to question the quality of the car.

Since as you state they are in short supply then your car should have flown off the shelf.

You emailed my friend and offered it to him for £40K in October and he bought another one with half the mileage for £1K less.

I think you should take things less personally.

Your car is not the car for me. I want a 60K car to do 30-40K miles in in in 3 years.

I don't want an expensive and high mileage car as there is no advantage to owning it.

I buy it overpriced and sell it with stella mileage for peanuts.

I want to do what you did. Bought it at 60K, used it for 6 years and 30K miles and sell it on before all the niggles start.

As for boats sailing. That is for me to worry about, how deep my pockets can be (with or with out the help of the bank) is my concern. If the RIGHT car comes up then I WILL buy it.

For me your car was offered for 40K in October, un-sold twice and is now 48K.

I have no doubt it will sale and now that you have it on 3 websites it should sell.
But the paradox is there and not one for me to solve nor take a chance on.

:beer:


Chris... once again you're using presumption as you main source of information :banghead: and you haven't even answered my original question.
The FACT is: I've effectively SOLD my car twice already, within the first few weeks of it being advertised at end of last year and the second sale was actually sabotaged by another seller by under pricing his lower mileage CSL under my FOR SALE price to secure his quick sale off the back of mine. So yes... it SOLD quickly because it was priced well below its actual value while there was a cash ready buyer about, primed to pull the trigger.
Incidentally, I don't blame my buyer for going for the other car as I would have done the same, if I was in his position. It's simply impossible to compete with that kind of sale tactics :banghead:

I have since turned down five £38 - £40 K offers point blank as I'm not desperate to sell, unlike some out there, despite my car currently being the cheapest one available FOR SALE, not only in the UK but also in Europe.

I hope your obsession with odometer reading and a futile attempt at lowering the CSL values (single handedly for your own benefit) on CSL forum, of all places ;) doesn't get in a way of you realising your CSL dream.
As much as you may not want to hear this, the CSL Market is predominantly driven by strong hand owner / owner sellers and re-sellers being firm and not buyer with a mildly hostile " I know better "attitude ;)
From what I've read so far my impression is you're waiting for that "quick & desperate" sale of a 60K ish mile CSL at around the £35-£40K mark (i'm guessing) wanting it all your way but unfortunately for you that Boat has long sailed :smt039

[PeteGray]

Wow, what's happened on this thread?!

Based upon the mileage, and assuming Munich Legends only retail high quality cars (irrespective of whether it's their car or a customer car), this seems like excellent value and will no doubt be sold before this thread has burnt itself out.

[mattCSLnut]

That last comment is a bit harsh, especially as you haven't viewed the car. Reading between the lines of people that HAVE, the only reason that it HASN'T sold is that it is one of those cars that doesn't quite fit what people want.

You seem to have two types of buyer at the moment, one who wants a mint low mileage car as a potential investment or someone who wants a high mileage car that has been obviously "used", so they don't feel precious about it and can continue to add miles to it.

Matt's car falls in between the two - it is an immaculate high mileage car - so people viewing it who wanted a car to be used have felt that it was TOO GOOD to do this to and those who have wanted a low mileage car have been put off even viewing it, purely because of the mileage.

Hi Mike
While you may be right about my CSL occupying a unique position in the current CSL market, the two people who actually vied my car weren't bothered about its mileage or it being too good to be regularly used. While they were WOWed by its excellent condition & impeccable service history (which clearly belays its odometer reading of 92K miles now) they could clearly see themselves enjoying it in all sorts of ways, including using it in the way BMW "M" Gods intended :supz:

While 92K miles is more than the rest of the Advertised CSLs, it isn't strictly hi mileage (as you say) for a 14 year old BMW M Coupe, unless you suffer from " The British Leyland 100K & out" syndrome ;) :hahaha: (I know you don't Mike) ;)
It is however priced to reflect its higher than average "CSL mileage" of all these Museum/Collectors pieces currently on offer ;) except the SB CSL with 70K miles @ £55K :smokin:
IMHO I believe a lot of non investor type buyers are a little in denial of the recent rise in CSL values, holding onto the memories of £35K, average mileage CSL of the past.

[mattCSLnut]

Not at all.
Your car is not the cheapest for sale at the moment. There are two that are cheaper and BOTH have considerably lower mileage.

If your car has "sold" twice yet not sold then one would have to question the quality of the car.

Since as you state they are in short supply then your car should have flown off the shelf.

You emailed my friend and offered it to him for £40K in October and he bought another one with half the mileage for £1K less.

I think you should take things less personally.

Your car is not the car for me. I want a 60K car to do 30-40K miles in in in 3 years.

I don't want an expensive and high mileage car as there is no advantage to owning it.

I buy it overpriced and sell it with stella mileage for peanuts.

I want to do what you did. Bought it at 60K, used it for 6 years and 30K miles and sell it on before all the niggles start.

As for boats sailing. That is for me to worry about, how deep my pockets can be (with or with out the help of the bank) is my concern. If the RIGHT car comes up then I WILL buy it.

For me your car was offered for 40K in October, un-sold twice and is now 48K.

I have no doubt it will sale and now that you have it on 3 websites it should sell.
But the paradox is there and not one for me to solve nor take a chance on.

:beer:

Calm down dear ;) :hahaha: ... I'm detecting increasing hostility in your recent posts toward me and my CSL, which you've never seen in person yet have an inflated opinion on and carry on making inaccurate presumptions about :banghead:
Why do you bother with it ? and what are you hoping to get out of this ?
Also, it would be good if you could post the links to these two lower price/mileage CSL you've mentioned above. THANX in advance :beer:

[SSS]

Calm down dear ;) :hahaha: ... I'm detecting increasing hostility in your recent posts toward me and my CSL, which you've never seen in person yet have an inflated opinion on and carry on making inaccurate presumptions about :banghead:
Why do you bother with it ? and what are you hoping to get out of this ?
Also, it would be good if you could post the links to these two lower price/mileage CSL you've mentioned above. THANX in advance :beer:

I have no hostility to you nor your car.
I have made no assumptions about your car.
I have stated that I prefer OEM bushes for what I want to use a car for and you ripped my throat out.

That is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
The rest is all fact.

As for the two CSLs that are cheaper than yours with less miles that I have seen advertised at the moment. NO. Not until I rule them out for me.
After that then I will post up one as my "new" car.

As someone has stated the ML car will sell before this thread burns out. In an ideal world I have bought a car this weekend but the owner of the car I want is in hospital.

I have always wished you luck selling you car and I have NO doubt it will sell very soon.

CSLs are only going up in value. I am not buying as an investment.
I am buying a car to use. I have an investment in the garage and after years of not using it I can't see the point in doing it again.

I work hard, I am willing to accept running costs and depreciation and I want to drive a CSL (or even a 1M) to work.

I have driven the CSL that sold on this forum a few months ago rather a lot.

That is when I put all my preconceptions about SMG away and decided I wanted one.

But this is not communism and I have the right to chose how I want the car that I purchase to be.

:smt008

[cslsuperfan]

SSS

This is a very close knit forum with members who actually know and meet each other @ Spa/Ring and generally get on really well.

Hurry Up and buy a csl before you get sent to Coventry....unless of course you already live there.

[mattCSLnut]

I'm afraid there are a few inaccuracies here I need to pick you up on.


If your car has "sold" twice yet not sold then one would have to question the quality of the car.

There is no question with the quality of my car. If you have read my original FOR SALE Ad carefully and the follow on comments you'd realise it was subject of an independent 2.5 hour AUC pre sale inspection @ reputable BMW Indy. and it came back with a clean bill of health, only needing a New battery, replacement tyre weld & repair of the passenger widow seal, all of which have already been addressed. The only reason it didn't sell was a mutually agreeable price could not be reached. I've no hard feeling with either of the near buyers but as I've stated before this is not a desperate or forced sale so I have the luxury to politely decline offers I deem too low.


You emailed my friend and offered it to him for £40K in October and he bought another one with half the mileage for £1K less.
I certainly did not e.mail anyone (including your friend) with the £40K offer. As I said earlier I have declined such offers. You must have me mixed up with someone else or you're just making these thing up for dramatic effect. My second potential buyer was swayed by a 60 ish K miles car (simple maths proclaims that's simply not half of 91K of mine) and IIRC it was just a smudge under £40K. For accuracy, please confirm your friends name to make sure we're discussing the same person.

I think you should take things less personally. I do, unless someone like yourself gets personal with me.


As for boats sailing. That is for me to worry about, how deep my pockets can be (with or with out the help of the bank) is my concern.

I have no interest or concern with if, how & when you purchase your own CSL. Those are your personal matters.

For me your car was offered for 40K in October, un-sold twice and is now 48K.
As already said above, it was not offered to anyone for £40K at any time and the current price of £47,995 ONO is only moving with the rising CSL values.

[glendog74]

Lets keep this thread civil gentlemen... :smt075

This is not aimed at anyone specific but we're a friendly forum so lets keep it that way :beer:

[mattCSLnut]

Lets keep this thread civil gentlemen... :smt075

This is not aimed at anyone specific but we're a friendly forum so lets keep it that way :beer:
I certainly am Roberto :thumbs: despite SSS's inaccuracies and presumptions ;)

[Pip1968]

Wow, what's happened on this thread?!

Indeed, oil cans at dawn !!!



Based upon the mileage, and assuming Munich Legends only retail high quality cars (irrespective of whether it's their car or a customer car), this seems like excellent value and will no doubt be sold before this thread has burnt itself out.

I am not sure that that has always been the case with customers cars. I remember buying an old e34 M5 from them back in about 2000 and it turned out to be a bit of a dog that I spent a lot on and then got rid of for peanuts. Some preparatory work was done by them and paid for by me but it was still trouble. The car was owned by a bloke from Essex (just outside the M25) who had upgraded to the 3.8l model.

I hope they have improved.

Pip

[nw99]

I have to disagree I've just bought my 3rd car from Munich Legends yesterday and have always had a very high degree of respect for them .
Dan knows his cars and actually ML was taken over in 2009 and they kept the best staff back then so what went on historically is water under the bridge .
I have seen some lovely cars especially yesterday.
They take great pride in the cars they sell.
There are very few CSL's about as we know but Dan's knowledge is very very good .

[cslsuperfan]

I have to disagree I've just bought my 3rd car from Munich Legends yesterday and have always had a very high degree of respect for them .
Dan knows his cars and actually ML was taken over in 2009 and they kept the best staff back then so what went on historically is water under the bridge .
I have seen some lovely cars especially yesterday.
They take great pride in the cars they sell.
There are very few CSL's about as we know but Dan's knowledge is very very good .

James AKA MonkeyCSL was a tech @ ML til recently.

Top guy and knows his stuff with csl's.

[AlexGTT]

Lets keep this thread civil gentlemen... :smt075

This is not aimed at anyone specific but we're a friendly forum so lets keep it that way :beer:

Rob is bang on. Please take all handbags off forum. If you need words do it privately.

This is a place of peace, love and silliness. :smt055 Always has been and always will be.

[Trawler]

Rob is bang on. Please take all handbags off forum. If you need words do it privately.

This is a place of peace,:gayfight: and silliness. :smt055 Always has been and always will be.

EFA

[mattCSLnut]

Rob is bang on. Please take all handbags off forum. If you need words do it privately.

This is a place of peace, love and silliness. :smt055 Always has been and always will be.

Hi Alex... I totally agree :beer: (and don't even have a hand bag to swing) however I do wonder how else I can address false information being trolled about me and my car on the open forum by a recent arrival (SSS) who we know very little about and who openly choses to type misinformation about any CSLR member, regardless if it's a long time member or otherwise.
Maybe it's time for the Moderators to get creatively active and edit out all this inaccurate twaddle ?

[Pip1968]

James AKA MonkeyCSL was a tech @ ML til recently.

Top guy and knows his stuff with csl's.

Where is Monkey now then? Who is there CSL guru now?

I was considering them for my Insp II but thought that I would try Bartletts.

Pip

* or Insp I ... which ever it is.

[mattCSLnut]

Where is Monkey now then? Who is there CSL guru now?

I was considering them for my Insp II but thought that I would try Bartletts.

Pip

* or Insp I ... which ever it is.

Hi Pip (sorry I don't know your real name)

James aka Monkey now works as an M-tech @ Chandlers BMW main dealer, at the Brighton - Portslade branch. He joined us on the Cecil 10th Anniversary Euro trip with one of his CSL customers/friends (John IIRC) from ML days. Were you there with us ?
Great guy and one of a handful of CSL gurus around, along with our Gareth @ Bartlett :thumbs:

[Pip1968]

Thank you for the reply MattCSLnut. I will bear that in mind. My brother lives near Bartletts and my sister near Brighton so I can kill two birds with one stone. Bartletts thi time round.

So nobody left on the service expertise (CSL wise) side at Munich Legends then.

No I did not go to the reunion due to work commitments as per usual.

Pip

[SSS]

I'm afraid there are a few inaccuracies here I need to pick you up on.



There is no question with the quality of my car. If you have read my original FOR SALE Ad carefully and the follow on comments you'd realise it was subject of an independent 2.5 hour AUC pre sale inspection @ reputable BMW Indy. and it came back with a clean bill of health, only needing a New battery, replacement tyre weld & repair of the passenger widow seal, all of which have already been addressed. The only reason it didn't sell was a mutually agreeable price could not be reached. I've no hard feeling with either of the near buyers but as I've stated before this is not a desperate or forced sale so I have the luxury to politely decline offers I deem too low.


I certainly did not e.mail anyone (including your friend) with the £40K offer. As I said earlier I have declined such offers. You must have me mixed up with someone else or you're just making these thing up for dramatic effect. My second potential buyer was swayed by a 60 ish K miles car (simple maths proclaims that's simply not half of 91K of mine) and IIRC it was just a smudge under £40K. For accuracy, please confirm your friends name to make sure we're discussing the same person.

I do, unless someone like yourself gets personal with me.




I have no interest or concern with if, how & when you purchase your own CSL. Those are your personal matters.


As already said above, it was not offered to anyone for £40K at any time and the current price of £47,995 ONO is only moving with the rising CSL values.


Above is the car that was on the forum that "pipped" your second buyer.

You offered yours to him for £40k and he bought the above car for £39K because it had 60K miles as opposed you yours with >90K miles.

The buyer does not need to worry about the extra £1K (as you can see from his garage)
He did not buy your car because the one he bought from this forum had better mileage and cost less.

Hope that clarifies things for you

[nw99]

Looks like a great value purchase nice one

[mattCSLnut]

Above is the car that was on the forum that "pipped" your second buyer.

You offered yours to him for £40k and he bought the above car for £39K because it had 60K miles as opposed you yours with >90K miles.

The buyer does not need to worry about the extra £1K (as you can see from his garage)
He did not buy your car because the one he bought from this forum had better mileage and cost less.

Hope that clarifies things for you

I'm afraid it doesn't, at all :hahaha: but it does shows you've got me terribly mixed up with someone else. The chap who didn't buy my car does not have that garage (let alone a single garage) therefore you're completely wrong... again. Also 60 isn't half of 90 BTW, like you quoted previously and as I've said before I didn't offer my CSL to anyone for £40K, not even your friend, whoever he or she are although I do like their collection :supz: except maybe that pink bike on the far right. I presume that's your Whip ? ;) :hahaha:

[SSS]

Looks like a great value purchase nice one


Yes, and came with a spare set of Cups.

[SSS]

I'm afraid it doesn't, at all :hahaha: but it does shows you've got me terribly mixed up with someone else. The chap who didn't buy my car does not have that garage (let alone a single garage) therefore you're completely wrong... again. Also 60 isn't half of 90 BTW, like you quoted previously and as I've said before I didn't offer my CSL to anyone for £40K, not even your friend, whoever he or she are although I do like their collection :supz: except maybe that pink bike on the far right. I presume that's your Whip ? ;) :hahaha:


Sorry about the mathematics Rainman ;)
But unless there is someone else called Matt that emailed him.....

And just how was a 60K mile car for less "Just pipping" your 90K mile more expensive car?

[s.mac]

:smt069:smt069:smt015:smt015

[mattCSLnut]

Sorry about the mathematics Rainman ;)
But unless there is someone else called Matt that emailed him.....

And just how was a 60K mile car for less "Just pipping" your 90K mile more expensive car?


Sorry chap but the fact is you're still wrong and barking up the wrong tree.
I've not e.mailed anyone in that regard including your friend, who's name you won't say yet you quite happily type tones of nonsense about me and my CSL.
What are you hoping to achieve ?

BTW you don't need to be a mathematical genius to do simple arithmetic ;)

[SSS]

Sorry chap but the fact is you're still wrong and barking up the wrong tree.
I've not e.mailed anyone in that regard including your friend, who's name you won't say yet you quite happily type tones of nonsense about me and my CSL.
What are you hoping to achieve ?

BTW you don't need to be a mathematical genius to do simple arithmetic ;)

I was never any good at school

[s.mac]

Just a reminder :whistle:

http://www.munichlegends.co.uk/item/bmw-e46-m3-csl-16900

[mattCSLnut]

I was never any good at school
And with that I conclude that you Sir must be a...

[mattCSLnut]

Just a reminder :whistle:
Cheers Stevo :beer: I needed that :smt055

[s.mac]

No problem Matt :beer:

It was getting a bit :smt015

;)

[SSS]

And with that I conclude that you Sir must be a...


If I am then so be it.

But I am not.

I just have a different opinion than you

[mattCSLnut]

If I am then so be it.

But I am not.

:whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

No problem Matt :beer:

It was getting a bit :smt015

;)

Tell me about it ;) Note to one self...

[SSS]

:whistle:



Honestly
If you want to be childish

I will summarise:

In one of my first posts when I stated that I like your car you called me a time waster

You asked me to give my name on the forum in my second or third post as you wanted me to "own up"

You hated the fact that I did not want a car with powerflex bushes

You were pipped to the post by another car from this forum that I was cheaper and better than yours.


Call me stupid if you want

I really don't mind.

As I have stated good luck with the sale.

I wish you well