Wheel queries

[pops]

Looking at sticking a set of cup tyres on the car at sometime.

However I like the idea of having a set of wheels with the SS on and also a set with cups on. Not a huge fan of taking off and refitting tyres otherwise I'd just have one set of wheels and stick cups on in the spring and the SS in the Autumn.

The best price I can find for oem wheels is £1556. Wary of going down the rep route as not sure how good the quality would be, not in looks but in the inherent strength.

Whilst £1556 may be a good deal, it's still a good deal of cash to have the luxury of a second set of wheels.

Anyone have much experience of whizzing tyres on and off, is it likely to wreck the beading on them? Or, are the rep wheels better quality than I'm assuming and worth a punt?

Ta.

[MisterCorn]

I always go with a spare set. By the time you have spent £60 having tyres changed and balanced twice a year it is cheaper to tie the money up in the wheels.

MC

[shimmy]

same

much easier spare set rims......also gives you a spare wheel if needed

[Bounce]

Two sets is deffo the way to go;)

[khooni]

i just bit the bullet on a new set too.

[cslsuperfan]

Brian

a second set is a must have for the stated reasons.

MPSS's and Cups covers all eventualities.

I run cups on both sets changing the oldest set each year.

[MisterCorn]

I run two sets, MPSS and cups. I haven't got around to putting the MPSS on yet for the colder weather, but since the car is SORNed I probably won't bother now. Roll on springtime.

MC

[Stumpy]

No need to buy OEM though. A lot of nice aftermarket wheels out there...

BBS/Oz for example?

[pops]

No need to buy OEM though. A lot of nice aftermarket wheels out there...

BBS/Oz for example?

Good point.

Struggling to get my head around coughing up £1500 plus for a set of wheels that are unlikely to see much daylight.

I think I'll just stick some Cup2 on in the spring and darkhole the SS somewhere in the garage. The car doesn't get out much in the winter so maybe the cups can stay on full time.

Despite previous denials the chances are it will see a track and I think the cups will be a bonus. In effect, the strength/integrity of the oem wheels will be more use in that sort of environment. If, and it's a big if, I need something for winter I may just go down the rep route as if it comes out in winter it's only going to be pottering about.

Have no qualms on buying bits for the car e.g. brakes, exhaust, engine works, just can't see the benefit in an expensive set of wheels just sitting there.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Two sets is deffo the way to go;)

+1 :thumbs:

[Mike R]

Good point.

Struggling to get my head around coughing up £1500 plus for a set of wheels that are unlikely to see much daylight.

I think I'll just stick some Cup2 on in the spring and darkhole the SS somewhere in the garage. The car doesn't get out much in the winter so maybe the cups can stay on full time.

Despite previous denials the chances are it will see a track and I think the cups will be a bonus. In effect, the strength/integrity of the oem wheels will be more use in that sort of environment. If, and it's a big if, I need something for winter I may just go down the rep route as if it comes out in winter it's only going to be pottering about.

Have no qualms on buying bits for the car e.g. brakes, exhaust, engine works, just can't see the benefit in an expensive set of wheels just sitting there.

If you're going on track with it, forget the Cup 2s, go for the Cup 1s or the Pirelli Trofeo Rs (which are available in CSL sizes) and although more expensive than the Cup 1s, are supposed to be even more track focused.

The Cup 2s would do as a reasonable all rounder, offering better dry grip than the MPSS's, at the expense of not as good wet weather grip (but are supposed to be miles better than the Cup 1s in these kind of conditions (but nowhere near as good track grip - see the reviews of trackday peeps on here).

I run two sets of CSL wheels (I picked up a set for £1k) and have Cup 1s on the black wheels (which hide brake dust) and the MPSS on the silver road wheels.

[Scott]

I would personally buy another set of wheels. Every time you swap tyres you risk the fitters damaging a tyre, so by the time you factor in one damaged tyre and the cost to change every time you may as well buy another set. I would keep an eye out for a good used set though.

Also, I wouldn't be happy putting 4 tyres in my car, never mind 4 used, to drive to the tyre fitters. The soft touch black stuff really is easy to scuff or am i just being anal? :gayfight:

[Trawler]

If you're going on track with it, forget the Cup 2s, go for the Cup 1s or the Pirelli Trofeo Rs (which are available in CSL sizes) and although more expensive than the Cup 1s, are supposed to be even more track focused.

The Cup 2s would do as a reasonable all rounder, offering better dry grip than the MPSS's, at the expense of not as good wet weather grip (but are supposed to be miles better than the Cup 1s in these kind of conditions (but nowhere near as good track grip - see the reviews of trackday peeps on here).

I run two sets of CSL wheels (I picked up a set for £1k) and have Cup 1s on the black wheels (which hide brake dust) and the MPSS on the silver road wheels.

Miles better than original cups in the wet? The jury is out on that. I will be treating them the same. Nearly filled my pants when hitting some standing water that I thought would not bother the originals. Virtually brand new as well. Hate to think what they will be like after a few miles

[pops]

Thanks for the replies.

Although I've said the car will go onto a track, it won't be living on there.

I spend so much time away for work that me being available for track days isn't going to happen too often.

I fancied trying the cups after having AD08s on my GP, with the suspension set up I had it totally transformed the car. As said, it won't make much of an appearance in the winter so the chances are the cups will stay on.

If I needed a second set of wheels for the SS, they would only be on the car for as short a time as possible, hence reps if needed.

The AD08s used to stay on the GP all year round, I just had to accept they weren't going to be as good when either cold or wet. The GP didn't hang about as Peter will testify :thumbs:

I also appreciate cesil has 100 more bhp but to me, if the conditions are crappy, I'll just have to remember to pussyfoot!!

[shimmy]

get a set of new rims, makes things so much easier

maybe loose £300 when sold but otherwise an asset and saves you on tyre swaps and all that entails and risks

[Scott]

Thanks for the replies.

Although I've said the car will go onto a track, it won't be living on there.

I spend so much time away for work that me being available for track days isn't going to happen too often.

I fancied trying the cups after having AD08s on my GP, with the suspension set up I had it totally transformed the car. As said, it won't make much of an appearance in the winter so the chances are the cups will stay on.

If I needed a second set of wheels for the SS, they would only be on the car for as short a time as possible, hence reps if needed.

The AD08s used to stay on the GP all year round, I just had to accept they weren't going to be as good when either cold or wet. The GP didn't hang about as Peter will testify :thumbs:

I also appreciate cesil has 100 more bhp but to me, if the conditions are crappy, I'll just have to remember to pussyfoot!!

Stick the cups on, put the SS's in the garage and be done with it. I drove my old E92 M3 through winter with cups on and like you said you just need to respect it. If you feel you need to put the SS's back on then worry about it then.

[pops]

Stick the cups on, put the SS's in the garage and be done with it. I drove my old E92 M3 through winter with cups on and like you said you just need to respect it. If you feel you need to put the SS's back on then worry about it then.


That's the plan :thumbs:

Exhaust stuff as soon as it's in and tyres March time.

[cslsuperfan]

Brian

I've lost the thread and can't be arsed reading back through

If you're not tracking the car and not using her all year round

why the 2nd set of wheels?

[pops]

Brian

I've lost the thread and can't be arsed reading back through

If you're not tracking the car and not using her all year round

why the 2nd set of wheels?

I'll keep it brief for you :thumbs:

It will now see a track when time allows, I work what's classed as part time nowadays although still currently away for a minimum of 6 months pa.

I want to try cups.

2nd set was what seemed a sensible idea but if I'm going to chuck another 1600 quid at the car, I'll spend it on something that ain't going to be collecting cobwebs in the garage.

Cups will now stay on all year. IF plans change and I need to use it in the winter then as Scott said, worry about another set of wheels then.

[0836whimper]

My car doesn't see enough use now for two sets, I sold my winter wheels as they were collecting cobwebs.
I leave full fat Cups on all the time now and just avoid driving at all in winter or if I do, make sure I don't boot it off of roundabouts (that ends badly...).

[Mike R]

Thanks for the replies.

Although I've said the car will go onto a track, it won't be living on there.

I spend so much time away for work that me being available for track days isn't going to happen too often.

I fancied trying the cups after having AD08s on my GP, with the suspension set up I had it totally transformed the car. As said, it won't make much of an appearance in the winter so the chances are the cups will stay on.

If I needed a second set of wheels for the SS, they would only be on the car for as short a time as possible, hence reps if needed.

The AD08s used to stay on the GP all year round, I just had to accept they weren't going to be as good when either cold or wet. The GP didn't hang about as Peter will testify :thumbs:

I also appreciate cesil has 100 more bhp but to me, if the conditions are crappy, I'll just have to remember to pussyfoot!!


IMO even more crucial for you to have the full fat Cups - there's no point going to a track-day to have it spoiled by having a 2-3 lap grip window before the tyres going off, necessitating you cutting short a session to cool them off. Even more so, seeing as the track events will be infrequent, so you want to get the most enjoyment possible out of them.

Given the full-fat Cups are cheaper as well, it really is a no-brainer :beer: :).

[cslsuperfan]

I'll keep it brief for you :thumbs:

It will now see a track when time allows, I work what's classed as part time nowadays although still currently away for a minimum of 6 months pa.

I want to try cups.

2nd set was what seemed a sensible idea but if I'm going to chuck another 1600 quid at the car, I'll spend it on something that ain't going to be collecting cobwebs in the garage.

Cups will now stay on all year. IF plans change and I need to use it in the winter then as Scott said, worry about another set of wheels then.


Righty Ho!

As shim says go for a new oem set if finances allow

1. rims will be mint
2. no hidden repairs waiting to let you down going into the bus stop!
3. OEM rims will hold 80% of their cost all day.

[Matt21]

Generally my thought is that if looked after rims are an asset, tyres depreciate in line with wear. Ergo tie up some capital and buy a spare set to minimise regular faffing!

[khooni]

er i did it.. Thanks Billy

because i am tired of tip toeing in the wet on trackdays.

with our unpredictable weather and if i book ahead, I can then switch to MPSS when i need to or stay on the Cups if it's dry. no more curtailing my fun on track.....

[mattCSLnut]

One set of OE CSL 19s with the original Mich. CUP 1s is all you'll ever need Brian :thumbs:
It's a Royal PITA :banghead: swapping wheels over IMHO. I've been there & done it :clown:
Mine has been exclusively on CUP 1s since 2012 :smokin:

[shimmy]

One set of OE CSL 19s with the original Mich. CUP 1s is all you'll ever need Brian :thumbs:
It's a Royal PITA :banghead: swapping wheels over IMHO. I've been there & done it :clown:
Mine has been exclusively on CUP 1s since 2012 :smokin:

i have some sympathy to that arguement tbh, especially if its not your daily drive (like most are not these days)

[pops]

One set of OE CSL 19s with the original Mich. CUP 1s is all you'll ever need Brian :thumbs:
It's a Royal PITA :banghead: swapping wheels over IMHO. I've been there & done it :clown:
Mine has been exclusively on CUP 1s since 2012 :smokin:

Looking at Cup2s as have been led to believe Cup1s are no longer available?

Not changing/buying until end of March, have just coughed up for exhaust and centre pipe :banghead:

[mattCSLnut]

Looking at Cup2s as have been led to believe Cup1s are no longer available?

Not changing/buying until end of March, have just coughed up for exhaust and centre pipe :banghead:

I think someone is misleading you matey ;) ...although they have gone up in price again :banghead:

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup/235-35-r19-87y-313775

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup/265-30-zr19-89y-9170

CUP 1s for pure CSL experience :supz:

[Trawler]

I think someone is misleading you matey ;) ...although they have gone up in price again :banghead:

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup/235-35-r19-87y-313775

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup/265-30-zr19-89y-9170

CUP 1s for pure CSL experience :supz:

Yep, back to full fat cups when the 2s are worn out.

[pops]

I think someone is misleading you matey ;) ...although they have gone up in price again :banghead:

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup/235-35-r19-87y-313775

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup/265-30-zr19-89y-9170

CUP 1s for pure CSL experience :supz:


Thank you :thumbs:

Ought to know by now not to listen to tyre dealers!

[pops]

So, seeing as most lean toward the original cup tyres, why the preference over Cup2s?

I appreciate they were the tyres the car originally came with but is that a good reason not to go with the later design?

[Mike R]

So, seeing as most lean toward the original cup tyres, why the preference over Cup2s?

I appreciate they were the tyres the car originally came with but is that a good reason not to go with the later design?

Because they're shit on track :blalalala:. The Cup 1s will do lap after lap after lap before finally over-heating (you will probably get too hot and bothered before they do ;) ), where the Cup 2s have a finite window of operation, as in a couple of laps to warm up, and then a couple of laps of good grip and then they drop off a cliff and the car starts to feel "loose" and move around a LOT.

The Cup 2s WERE supposed to be a half-way house between the Super-sports and the Cup 1s, but CSLSuperfan, recons they're no better in the wet than the full fat Cups :bigcry: . So although they are marginally better than Supersports, they are just not as good as was hoped (where it was originally touted that they would be as good in the dry as Cup 1s with the wet weather grip of the MPSSs).

[pops]

Because they're shit on track :blalalala:. The Cup 1s will do lap after lap after lap before finally over-heating (you will probably get too hot and bothered before they do ;) ), where the Cup 2s have a finite window of operation, as in a couple of laps to warm up, and then a couple of laps of good grip and then they drop off a cliff and the car starts to feel "loose" and move around a LOT.

The Cup 2s WERE supposed to be a half-way house between the Super-sports and the Cup 1s, but CSLSuperfan, recons they're no better in the wet than the full fat Cups :bigcry: . So although they are marginally better than Supersports, they are just not as good as was hoped (where it was originally touted that they would be as good in the dry as Cup 1s with the wet weather grip of the MPSSs).

Thanks Mike, appreciated.

[cslsuperfan]

So, seeing as most lean toward the original cup tyres, why the preference over Cup2s?

I appreciate they were the tyres the car originally came with but is that a good reason not to go with the later design?


Original Cups every time Brian.

If you have any doubts as to grip levels of mk1 Cups

get a pax ride @ Spa with Shim or Baz.

The cups will absorb obscene levels of punishment, the first time you experience this as a driver or as I did as a passenger; it truly is amazing.

:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Thank you :thumbs:

Ought to know by now not to listen to tyre dealers!

No worries :thumbs: we live & learn mate ;)

[pops]

Have tried :-

Tyreleader
Oponeo
Camskills
Blackcircles


All have cups in rear size but not fronts.

Tyre places in town can only get cup2s


Anywhere else worth looking at?

[shimmy]

Have tried :-

Tyreleader
Oponeo
Camskills
Blackcircles


All have cups in rear size but not fronts.

Tyre places in town can only get cup2s


Anywhere else worth looking at?



i reckon stocks are just about done......fairwell Cups, may yee rest in peace

[alexk]

I can still order them here but far more expensive than before.

http://www.reifendirekt.ch/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=104&cart_id=24806625.104.31781&sowigan=So&Breite=235&Quer=35&Felge=19&Speed=&kategorie=6&Marke=Michelin&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&Herst=Michelin&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&search_tool=standard&Label=F-C-75-3&details=Ordern&typ=R-102413

[shimmy]

same company £235

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=46712434.110.20432&sowigan=So&Breite=235&Quer=35&Felge=19&Speed=&Load=&kategorie=6&Marke=Michelin&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&Herst=Michelin&m_s=3&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&filter_preis_bis=&filter_preis_von=&homologation=&search_tool=standard&Label=F-C-75-3&details=Ordern&typ=R-102413

[Yanto]

I've got a set of oem wheels in gloss black with unused (very very rare and now unavailable it seems) cups pops.

£10k ?:smokin:

[pops]

I've got a set of oem wheels in gloss black with unused (very very rare and now unavailable it seems) cups pops.

£10k ?:smokin:

Now there's a deal :whistle:

I'll get back to you :beer:

[pops]

same company £235

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=46712434.110.20432&sowigan=So&Breite=235&Quer=35&Felge=19&Speed=&Load=&kategorie=6&Marke=Michelin&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&Herst=Michelin&m_s=3&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&filter_preis_bis=&filter_preis_von=&homologation=&search_tool=standard&Label=F-C-75-3&details=Ordern&typ=R-102413

Yet, speak to MyTyres in Derby and they say they can't get any :banghead:

[Marv968]

I've got a set of oem wheels in gloss black with unused (very very rare and now unavailable it seems) cups pops.

£10k ?:smokin:

Bargain!!!

Take note people, these will be worth at least £15k by the middle of the year!

[Mike R]

Yet, speak to MyTyres in Derby and they say they can't get any :banghead:

Hi Pops,
I got Gareth Lloyd (ex CSL owner) a set for his 1M (in genuine CSL sizes) last year when I got some for mine but due to a change of circumstances (he bought a 991 GT3), these are surplus to requirements.

They have been correctly stored (as he is a right fuss-pot like us all) and all he wants is his money back on them (which from memory is under £1k).

If you want me to pass on his details for you to contact him, PM me :).
Best regards
Mike

[pops]

Hi Pops,
I got Gareth Lloyd (ex CSL owner) a set for his 1M (in genuine CSL sizes) last year when I got some for mine but due to a change of circumstances (he bought a 991 GT3), these are surplus to requirements.

They have been correctly stored (as he is a right fuss-pot like us all) and all he wants is his money back on them (which from memory is under £1k).

If you want me to pass on his details for you to contact him, PM me :).
Best regards
Mike

Done :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Done :thumbs:

Good move mate :smokin: