Cesils progress

[pops]

Thought I'd stick a thread up to list any works / mods done then it can be kept in one place :thumbs:

After buying from Millenium Heroes, it went into Barts for a full health check and passed with flying colours. After poncing about for a couple of hours awaiting the verdict, I thought I might be in need of a full health check.

Currently the only mod I had planned was then done. AP brakes front and rear, went for black calipers as had red on my GP and fancied something a bit more understated. The stopping power is now edging towards being silly.

Bought the carbon dash inserts off Vic and they're now in, also a spare steering wheel that will go away sometime for renovating.

Received an interior plaque today ( thanks Matt :thumbs: ) and that's now sorted.

Had it booked into Barts for new bottom end bearings and head gasket, all of which was planned as preventative maintenance having discussed with Damien the pros and cons of getting a BMW warranty. However work looked as though it was going to intervene and I would be away for 2-3 months so cancelled the booking. After having a chat with Emma (gf) came to a decision that after being away for most of the last 15yrs and having had enough of it, decided to stay on my current job which is basically part time. So it's booked back into Barts for the middle of September to be done.

Took it into a place called Chartwells today, a high end paint place in Derby that specialise in stuff such as Ferrari, Rolls, Bentley etc, for a quote for a front end tart up and a relaquer on the roof (stonechipped on the leading edge). They're going to mail me the quote next week which should be good for a laugh :hahaha:. The guy said that to do the roof properly they'd need to remove the front and rear screen and the roof bars as masking to the edge wouldn't to their standard, at least if it went there the work would be exceptional.

No other works / mods currently planned. Fancy a SS back box but for now the engine works and possible paint will be enough spending for the time being!

[Trawler]

Hope to hear you will be fitting Cups followed next year with a











TRACK DAY

[pops]

Hope to hear you will be fitting Cups followed next year with a











TRACK DAY

To be honest mate whilstever the car remains as an investment the answer to that is going to stay as no.

It'll only see a track from the car park side of the fence.

Should circumstances change and it doesn't need to be an investment then highly likely it'll go on track :thumbs:

[cslsuperfan]

Pops

You've done a great deal with your csl in a relatively short period of time.

Be interesting to see you paint work quote!!

Simpsons will do front end for approx. £1350.

[pops]

18 months ago they wanted £1400 to spray the front end of the GP :whistle:

I got it done elsewhere for £600 and ended up wishing I'd let them do it.

[Trawler]

To be honest mate whilstever the car remains as an investment the answer to that is going to stay as no.

It'll only see a track from the car park side of the fence.

Should circumstances change and it doesn't need to be an investment then highly likely it'll go on track :thumbs:

I know, but trying to get you on track is going to be a running joke. When are you bringing it down in September?

[pops]

I know, but trying to get you on track is going to be a running joke. When are you bringing it down in September?

Dropping off early pm Tues 15th.

Collecting mid morning Sat 19th.

[Trawler]

Dropping off early pm Tues 15th.

Collecting mid morning Sat 19th.

Cheers. I'll check what I'm doing on the 19th

[pops]

Cheers. I'll check what I'm doing on the 19th


Be good to meet up for a coffee :thumbs:

You may not recognise me though, on way back from work so will have a suit on!! :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Well done Brian :beer: keep up the good work and you're welcome re: the Cecil placket :smokin: I'm glad it went to a good home.

[cslsuperfan]

I know, but trying to get you on track is going to be a running joke. When are you bringing it down in September?


:gayfight:

[pops]

Quote arrived today from Chartwell for the paint.

Expensive but, one thing is guaranteed, it will be a 1st class result :thumbs:

As said prior, work includes removing the f & r screens and roof rails as masking up wouldn't be to their standard according to the guy who gave it a once over.

Price includes front bumper, roof, full bonnet and 50% of the way down the front wings. New seals for the screens and new roof rails.

Asking for £3,400.

Not cheap but not as much as I expected from them however, it leaves me a bit in limbo.

If it did get done it wouldn't be until Spring (dependant on work) but, in theory, I need to keep tabs on the spending.

Car was £34K, £4K ish has gone on brakes and with what is being spent on preventative work on the engine I'm going to end up being in for more than what the car is likely to be worth.

Secondly, if I had the paint done the car would be in immaculate nick, meaning would I dare use it??

[cslsuperfan]

Quote arrived today from Chartwell for the paint.

Expensive but, one thing is guaranteed, it will be a 1st class result :thumbs:

As said prior, work includes removing the f & r screens and roof rails as masking up wouldn't be to their standard according to the guy who gave it a once over.

Price includes front bumper, roof, full bonnet and 50% of the way down the front wings. New seals for the screens and new roof rails.

Asking for £3,400.

Not cheap but not as much as I expected from them however, it leaves me a bit in limbo.

If it did get done it wouldn't be until Spring (dependant on work) but, in theory, I need to keep tabs on the spending.

Car was £34K, £4K ish has gone on brakes and with what is being spent on preventative work on the engine I'm going to end up being in for more than what the car is likely to be worth.

Secondly, if I had the paint done the car would be in immaculate nick, meaning would I dare use it??


Pops

Valid points all round. You're at a juncture now where to spend beyond your current outlay on the car will almost result in an in balance should you decide to sell.

As for the paintwork, from my experience having the front end refresh is part and parcel of using the car on the road. If you go down the Chartwell route it would pay to have the car painshielded. Fab company up Peterborough way. Once done your front end remains A1 indefinitely.

Rick H 's car has the above on his nose and it provides second to none protection from everything the car hoovers up.

[pops]

Thanks for the input Ben,

In an ideal world I'd have no intention of selling and should circumstance change again that is going to be the case.

However, it's intended to keep for an absolute minimum for 5 yrs. If I came home now and never set foot again in sunny London, I could quite happily keep it for that long and not need the cash.

None of us have a crystal ball, just the hope that they'll appreciate in price :thumbs:

Good idea on the paint protection stuff, that'll get a dose of looking into.

I think the initial hit is going to be in the early days of ownership and will consist of getting the car how I want it. i know the brakes aren't necessay but they improve both the appearance and stopping power. Engine works aren't necessarily needed but, being done as an insurance.

Could end up like the GP, outstanding, nothing needing doing and everything that was done wasn't done to a budget but to how it performed...and then I flogged it :whistle:

[cslsuperfan]

Brian

I am confident the csl market will steadily improve, way behind the GT3/RS curve but that's the norm and in a way its beneficial to all cesil owners.

The csl following the GT3/RS price hike would only end in disaster with of course the inevitable winners and losers.

As for outlay , its relative to time owned.

I'm into mine for "rather a lot" but hey aren't we all..... eventually :smokin:

[pops]

I suppose the advantage of a Cesil is that losing on them is unlikely.

With the GP I lost a packet but it was done exactly as wanted as it was never going to be sold, was going to be my last car! Then along came the Golden Goose from Aviva and along came Cesil :thumbs:

If it appears I'm starting to flap about the spending on it, I'm not, just trying to be sensible for possibly the first time in my life :whistle:. That bit might not last long though.

[cslsuperfan]

I suppose the advantage of a Cesil is that losing on them is unlikely.

With the GP I lost a packet but it was done exactly as wanted as it was never going to be sold, was going to be my last car! Then along came the Golden Goose from Aviva and along came Cesil :thumbs:

If it appears I'm starting to flap about the spending on it, I'm not, just trying to be sensible for possibly the first time in my life :whistle:. That bit might not last long though.


Agree totally about the expense. As you experienced with the GP, if you're going to do it, do it right and on cesil that means lots of cash.

[mattCSLnut]

While I agree it's important to look after our Cecils properly (I've done my fair share :smokin: ) spending £3400 on front end paint is complete madness :119: IMHO, even if you're going to wrap it in cotton wool and never use it again ;)
The fact is, no matter how much you spend on front end refresh it's going to get chipped almost imediately, there is no getting away with it with the amount of crap on our roads and all these stick on paint protection solutions always look "stuck on".
All meant as MHO ;)

[glendog74]

While I agree it's important to look after our Cecils properly (I've done my fair share :smokin: ) spending £3400 on front end paint is complete madness :119: IMHO, even if you're going to wrap it in cotton wool and never use it again ;)
The fact is, no matter how much you spend on front end refresh it's going to get chipped almost imediately, there is no getting away with it with the amount of crap on our roads and all these stick on paint protection always look "stuck on".
All meant as MHO ;)

+1 :thumbs:

Simpson do a great job at half the price and match the A08 paint perfectly :smokin:

[pops]

While I agree it's important to look after our Cecils properly (I've done my fair share :smokin: ) spending £3400 on front end paint is complete madness :119: IMHO, even if you're going to wrap it in cotton wool and never use it again ;)
The fact is, no matter how much you spend on front end refresh it's going to get chipped almost imediately, there is no getting away with it with the amount of crap on our roads and all these stick on paint protection solutions always look "stuck on".
All meant as MHO ;)

All accepted as in good faith Matt.

The reason for putting this thread together was to get others ideas and experiences on bits. We all seem to have the same things done or needing doing and if it gets suggestions going then it's working :thumbs:

[pops]

+1 :thumbs:

Simpson do a great job at half the price and match the A08 paint perfectly :smokin:

Ta :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

+1 :thumbs:

Simpson do a great job at half the price and match the A08 paint perfectly :smokin:

While I've not used Simpsons my self I have seen their Cecil paint refreshes work and it was spot On :thumbs:
Even my local OPC can do a very decent front end refresh for under £2K.

[mattCSLnut]

All accepted as in good faith Matt.

The reason for putting this thread together was to get others ideas and experiences on bits. We all seem to have the same things done or needing doing and if it gets suggestions going then it's working :thumbs:

:thumbs: I say it as I see it and always mean it in good faith mate. :beer:
BTW the only time I would consider this Venture-shield film paint protection would be on the entire CF roof as they are quite exposed and get a beating from the elements.

[khooni]

£3400 is madness.

I use mine exclusively on track.....:)

now at simpsons getting subframe done + intrax 1k2 fitted + wheel referred to a metallic dark red colour+ roof relacquer. don't think I'll be bothering to re-do the seals and all that. Thing is my front bumper has been re-painted twice in the past year...... all by Simpsons.

I don't see how you can prevent the front end from getting chipped up. well, for me, the annual front end refresh (+maybe headlight covers) will be mandatory.. Luckily simpsons matches the paint well.

I'll remind them i want to coax more front camber... :)

[pops]

Will give Simpsons a call when the time comes.

All advice appreciated. Not to many paint places in Derby that come with good recommendations.

The only thing that surprised me about Chartwells price is that it wasn't more expensive!

[a_Y]

£3400 is madness.

I use mine exclusively on track.....:)

now at simpsons getting subframe done + intrax 1k2 fitted + wheel referred to a metallic dark red colour+ roof relacquer. don't think I'll be bothering to re-do the seals and all that. Thing is my front bumper has been re-painted twice in the past year...... all by Simpsons.

I don't see how you can prevent the front end from getting chipped up. well, for me, the annual front end refresh (+maybe headlight covers) will be mandatory.. Luckily simpsons matches the paint well.

I'll remind them i want to coax more front camber... :)


Which kit did you go with for the subframe?

[GregorFuk]

As someone who has just refreshed a CSL I would advise that you don't go for a Rolls Royce paint job if you plan to use the car. I considered that option but knew if I went forward with it I'd never drive the car and sweat every stone chip. Better to set it 'good enough' and use the car.

On another subject. I've said it once and I'll say it again. Changing a headgasket by way of preventive maintenance is madness. By all means have compression / leak down tests performed to check its integrity but performing open heart surgery on your engine for no good reason other than to give a warm fuzzy feeling is asking for trouble IMO. Engines don't like to be opened up, so much can go wrong. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[plumber vic]

As someone who has just refreshed a CSL I would advise that you don't go for a Rolls Royce paint job if you plan to use the car. I considered that option but knew if I went forward with it I'd never drive the car and sweat every stone chip. Better to set it 'good enough' and use the car.

On another subject. I've said it once and I'll say it again. Changing a headgasket by way of preventive maintenance is madness. By all means have compression / leak down tests performed to check its integrity but performing open heart surgery on your engine for no good reason other than to give a warm fuzzy feeling is asking for trouble IMO. Engines don't like to be opened up, so much can go wrong. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[plumber vic]

What,s built in BMW factory got to be better than on workshop bench
leave well alone Brian

[pops]

One thing is guaranteed, it isn't having £3k plus being spent on painting.

Engine wise, there's a lot of thought gone into this and eventually we all end up jumping different directions.

[nw942]

Would an oil analysis also be useful in judging whether there are any looming problems with the bottom end bearings or gasket?

[GregorFuk]

One thing is guaranteed, it isn't having £3k plus being spent on painting.

Engine wise, there's a lot of thought gone into this and eventually we all end up jumping different directions.

So you've done the checks and ascertained that you're head gasket has failed?

No....?

Madness to break an engine apart if it hasn't. Unless of course you're being paid by the hour to do it........

[pops]

So you've done the checks and ascertained that you're head gasket has failed?

No....?

Madness to break an engine apart if it hasn't. Unless of course you're being paid by the hour to do it........

Gregor, I accept your points.

Your turn to accept mine.

Acceptance and agreement are two different things.

To keep it short, all options were looked at re warranties and preventative works with someone much more knowledgable than me on cars. He also happens to be highly respected and recommended on here.

I decided to jump the way I've jumped. It wasn't a flippant decision, just the right one in MY eyes. I don't expect everyone to agree, it's just my personal choice.

[cslsuperfan]

Gregor, I accept your points.

Your turn to accept mine.

Acceptance and agreement are two different things.

To keep it short, all options were looked at re warranties and preventative works with someone much more knowledgable than me on cars. He also happens to be highly respected and recommended on here.

I decided to jump the way I've jumped. It wasn't a flippant decision, just the right one in MY eyes. I don't expect everyone to agree, it's just my personal choice.

This is why I spend oodles of time on this forum and not "The other one"

Stacks on informed opinions minus the personal insults and/or verbal abuse when you respectfully disagree with others.

[Trawler]

This is why I spend oodles of time on this forum and not "The other one"

Stacks on informed opinions minus the personal insults and/or verbal abuse when you respectfully disagree with others.

Plus the odd bit of piss taking which is good for a laugh. :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

This is why I spend oodles of time on this forum and not "The other one"

Stacks on informed opinions minus the personal insults and/or verbal abuse when you respectfully disagree with others.

+1 :thumbs:

[Neil M]

Stacks on informed opinions minus the personal insults and/or verbal abuse when you respectfully disagree with others.

Where's shimmy when you need him? ;)

[glendog74]

Where's shimmy when you need him? ;)

In the Blue Oyster Bar :gayfight:

[cslsuperfan]

:thumbs: I say it as I see it and always mean it in good faith mate. :beer:
BTW the only time I would consider this Venture-shield film paint protection would be on the entire CF roof as they are quite exposed and get a beating from the elements.


Matt

Can't help but notice the change in your signature........

If DUVAY does fly the nest, please vet the buyer. We can't have DUVAY going to any old owner. It's the heritage. I'm hoping you're just having a wobble.

Car does look Epically Mintos!!!!

Rear shot on the ramp....Kickin' !!!!!

[mattCSLnut]

Matt

Can't help but notice the change in your signature........

If DUVAY does fly the nest, please vet the buyer. We can't have DUVAY going to any old owner. It's the heritage. I'm hoping you're just having a wobble.

Car does look Epically Mintos!!!!

Rear shot on the ramp....Kickin' !!!!!

Yep... finally facing up to realities. :banghead: but don't you worry mate ;) this won't be your usual desperate sale, I prommise you that :beer:
It'll be more like an interview process for an adoption, vetting for a worthy new custodial of my beloved DU**VAY :thumbs: Any BS and they're out :smokin:

[khooni]

Which kit did you go with for the subframe?

They fabricate their own plates and weld them on. To be honest, it's just 4 plates cut to size and welded in 4 different areas.

[mattCSLnut]

In the Blue Oyster Bar :gayfight:

:hahaha: :gayfight: :hahaha:

[GregorFuk]

Gregor, I accept your points.

Your turn to accept mine.

Acceptance and agreement are two different things.

To keep it short, all options were looked at re warranties and preventative works with someone much more knowledgable than me on cars. He also happens to be highly respected and recommended on here.

I decided to jump the way I've jumped. It wasn't a flippant decision, just the right one in MY eyes. I don't expect everyone to agree, it's just my personal choice.

Fair enough. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

[cslsuperfan]

Yep... finally facing up to realities. :banghead: but don't you worry mate ;) this won't be your usual desperate sale, I prommise you that :beer:
It'll be more like an interview process for an adoption, vetting for a worthy new custodial of my beloved DU**VAY :thumbs: Any BS and they're out :smokin:


Good to hear Matt

I've got my black arm band ready :bigcry:

[glendog74]

I've got my black arm band ready :bigcry:

+1 :smt099

[0836whimper]

Heyup Pops,

I took the car into Stratstone Derby today for airbag and belts (before a few parade laps at Donners on Monday), even though Sytner Nottimgham is miles closer due to experience there...another story...

Anyway, they were great, real enthusiasts. Danielle was the service desk contact in the pic who was really helpful and made sure the right techs were involved, and Brett (who has an e38 728i) spent maybe 30 mins discussing CSL's afterwards and gawping at the airbox etc. They said most '03 e46's they see are snotters, and Danielle couldn't believe the CSL was an '03, which is always nice to hear !

He seen one recently before - yours - and mentioned you and the carshows in Annerslely organised by parent company Pendragon. Sadly I can't make that.

So good experience there, it's very nice to deal enthusiasts at a main dealers :thumbs:


http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/Stratstone%20LR_zpsnabspe71.jpg

[Yanto]

Yep... finally facing up to realities. :banghead: but don't you worry mate ;) this won't be your usual desperate sale, I prommise you that :beer:
It'll be more like an interview process for an adoption, vetting for a worthy new custodial of my beloved DU**VAY :thumbs: Any BS and they're out :smokin:

Precisely.

You never actually own a CSL. You're merely guardians for the next generation of owners.....a bit like a nice Patek :smokin:

[pops]

Heyup Pops,

I took the car into Stratstone Derby today for airbag and belts (before a few parade laps at Donners on Monday), even though Sytner Nottimgham is miles closer due to experience there...another story...

Anyway, they were great, real enthusiasts. Danielle was the service desk contact in the pic who was really helpful and made sure the right techs were involved, and Brett (who has an e38 728i) spent maybe 30 mins discussing CSL's afterwards and gawping at the airbox etc. They said most '03 e46's they see are snotters, and Danielle couldn't believe the CSL was an '03, which is always nice to hear !

He seen one recently before - yours - and mentioned you and the carshows in Annerslely organised by parent company Pendragon. Sadly I can't make that.

So good experience there, it's very nice to deal enthusiasts at a main dealers :thumbs:


http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/Stratstone%20LR_zpsnabspe71.jpg


Agree it's good to know there are one or two enthusiasts at the local dealer.

I can rarely make the Pendragon meets with being away so much, made the June one and will make the Sept one, chatting to Brett and he was telling me they made sure Cesil was done by the right guy when it went in for the airbag recall.

[pops]

Well, Cesil is in Barts having bits done at the hands of Gareth.

Collect on Sat and have to tolerate 1200 miles at a max of 4500 rpm, will be a long 1200 miles!

A few new faces down there, good to see them doing well.

[cslsuperfan]

Well, Cesil is in Barts having bits done at the hands of Gareth.

Collect on Sat and have to tolerate 1200 miles at a max of 4500 rpm, will be a long 1200 miles!

A few new faces down there, good to see them doing well.


Brian

It's actually 5500 RPM and having done 1200 miles with the said restriction off track I've found it OK. Only hit the 5K RPM a couple of times so the running in period will be quite tolerable.

Stick to the twisty Derbyshire countryside. ;)

[pops]

Collected Cesil this morning and, to quote Damien "You're one very lucky boy".

I think you can add relieved to that :whistle:

Headgasket :- it had broken between cylinders 1&2 and 5&6, fortunately no damage had been caused to either the head or the block.

http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/image%209_zps8n42mktk.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/image%209_zps8n42mktk.jpg.html)

Bearings :- all worn to a degree as could be expected. However, 4 shells were quite badly worn.

http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/image%202_zpswa32lx0v.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/image%202_zpswa32lx0v.jpg.html)

Well worth having the work done, might buy a lottery ticket tonight.

[Yanto]

Wow. Good catch pops!

I have an annual compression test every year (abt 3k miles) and whilst not a silver bullet, I think it's a reasonable (cost) check for potential prob.

[pops]

Wow. Good catch pops!

I have an annual compression test every year (abt 3k miles) and whilst not a silver bullet, I think it's a reasonable (cost) check for potential prob.

When I was down there having the brakes fitted I got a bit of a hint.

Gareth did a compression test and cylinder 5 took a few more engine cranks to get the reqd pressure up, he said at the time he thought it'd be the gasket.

All good now so I can breathe again :thumbs:

[Trawler]

Preventive maintainance at its best. Has got me thinking now.

[LeinsCSL]

Nice one Pops. Well worth doing for a bit of extra peace of mind

[nw942]

I was curious what the shells would look like - thanks for sharing.

[shimmy]

Wow. Good catch pops!

I have an annual compression test every year (abt 3k miles) and whilst not a silver bullet, I think it's a reasonable (cost) check for potential prob.

im gonna check mine this winter....cant recall in the last rebuld if the head came off coz if not its done 50k miles since it was checked.

[pops]

Preventive maintainance at its best. Has got me thinking now.


Good to meet up today bud :thumbs:

[billyboysm3]

It's going to happen to every Csl at some point.

Great timing to catch it at this stage.

[Trawler]

Good to meet up today bud :thumbs:

You to mate. :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

It's going to happen to every Csl at some point.

Great timing to catch it at this stage.

If anyone is going to spot it early it's our Gareth :thumbs: and it's why we pay him to do our compression & leak down test to make sure it's caught early.

[pops]

If anyone is going to spot it early it's our Gareth :thumbs: and it's why we pay him to do our compression & leak down test to make sure it's caught early.

For the head gasket yes.

Bearings are just pot luck. Would be frustrating to change them and find the old ones were ok, would be even more frustrating to not change them and listen to it all go bang.

I suppose if someone has the facilities / ability to drop the sump and do a bearing inspection it's a huge advantage. I don't have either :whistle:

[GregorFuk]

Interesting stuff. From a driving perspective did you have any indication at all that you HG had failed?

Also, what's the mileage on those bearings?

[cslsuperfan]

For the head gasket yes.

Bearings are just pot luck. Would be frustrating to change them and find the old ones were ok, would be even more frustrating to not change them and listen to it all go bang.

I suppose if someone has the facilities / ability to drop the sump and do a bearing inspection it's a huge advantage. I don't have either :whistle:

Brian

good to read all the Preventative Maintenance went to plan

HG was a good catch!!!

All in all money well spent.

[pops]

No indication when driving ref HG.

Gareth had driven it only a few weeks before and nothing was untoward.

Car has 75,000 on it.

[pops]

Well, the 1200 miles are taking a bit of doing!

With me being away so much for work and the crappy weather we've all been having cesil rarely makes an appearance in public.

Working towards having them racked up by early spring if poss then down to Barts for an oil change. Whilst there I'll get the aircon sorted as noticed last year that, if the weather is wet, the inside steams up like the local sauna. Have to use great self control not to ask the other half if she offers extras.

Anyhow, will be dipping my toe in the murky waters of exhausts at the same time. Listened to so bloody many youtube vids the mind goes numb. It doesn't really help that the sound quality isn't always the best.

Now that Barts do SuperSprint I'll likely be going down the route of a lightweight race back box and a non res centre pipe...and ear plugs in the door pocket in case.

[shimmy]

Well, the 1200 miles are taking a bit of doing!

With me being away so much for work and the crappy weather we've all been having cesil rarely makes an appearance in public.

Working towards having them racked up by early spring if poss then down to Barts for an oil change. Whilst there I'll get the aircon sorted as noticed last year that, if the weather is wet, the inside steams up like the local sauna. Have to use great self control not to ask the other half if she offers extras.

Anyhow, will be dipping my toe in the murky waters of exhausts at the same time. Listened to so bloody many youtube vids the mind goes numb. It doesn't really help that the sound quality isn't always the best.

Now that Barts do SuperSprint I'll likely be going down the route of a lightweight race back box and a non res centre pipe...and ear plugs in the door pocket in case.

ive had most and SS Race Lghtweight, Res Centre and either standard or HSL cats work well and mean you can get onto every track

Non res centre does make Bedford harder to beat the noise polie

[khooni]

i took the plunge and had simpsons fit the SS race lightweight back box and the non-res centre. Running standard M3 cats. Noise level tested at Snetterton was 98 dB (6000 rpm limiter in neutral).

[J2LTB]

Working towards having them racked up by early spring if poss then down to Barts for an oil change. Whilst there I'll get the aircon sorted as noticed last year that, if the weather is wet, the inside steams up like the local sauna. Have to use great self control not to ask the other half if she offers extras.



Pops I've mentioned this before but I may have the solution to your steamy Windows. The scuttle panel around the windscreen and wipers fails . The rubber sealing it to the panel cracks. Straight below that seal is the pollen filter. Water Gos onto the pollen filter and your constantly sucking in moist air. The large panel is £35 from Bmw. As its not Csl specific is cheap. Plus a new one looks a million dollars. It really needs making a sticky as you'd never realise unless you take the screen out 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[pops]

Pops I've mentioned this before but I may have the solution to your steamy Windows. The scuttle panel around the windscreen and wipers fails . The rubber sealing it to the panel cracks. Straight below that seal is the pollen filter. Water Gos onto the pollen filter and your constantly sucking in moist air. The large panel is £35 from Bmw. As its not Csl specific is cheap. Plus a new one looks a million dollars. It really needs making a sticky as you'd never realise unless you take the screen out 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

Thanks bud, will get it checked :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Pops I've mentioned this before but I may have the solution to your steamy Windows. The scuttle panel around the windscreen and wipers fails . The rubber sealing it to the panel cracks. Straight below that seal is the pollen filter. Water Gos onto the pollen filter and your constantly sucking in moist air. The large panel is £35 from Bmw. As its not Csl specific is cheap. Plus a new one looks a million dollars. It really needs making a sticky as you'd never realise unless you take the screen out 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

Sign of it not being garaged, same as the mirror issue

[cslsuperfan]

Well, the 1200 miles are taking a bit of doing!

With me being away so much for work and the crappy weather we've all been having cesil rarely makes an appearance in public.

Working towards having them racked up by early spring if poss then down to Barts for an oil change. Whilst there I'll get the aircon sorted as noticed last year that, if the weather is wet, the inside steams up like the local sauna. Have to use great self control not to ask the other half if she offers extras.

Anyhow, will be dipping my toe in the murky waters of exhausts at the same time. Listened to so bloody many youtube vids the mind goes numb. It doesn't really help that the sound quality isn't always the best.

Now that Barts do SuperSprint I'll likely be going down the route of a lightweight race back box and a non res centre pipe...and ear plugs in the door pocket in case.

Brian

you could join the Spa trip in April!!!

rack up some running in miles, bag a few pax laps and swing by Barts on return trip north for an oil service.

[pops]

Oh balls,

More shiny new bits ordered and on the way :whistle:

[Trawler]

Oh balls,

More shiny new bits ordered and on the way :whistle:

Go on then spill the beans. What shiny bits?

[pops]

SuperSprint lightweight race back box and non res centre pipe.

Should be in at Barts in a week or so and will tie a visit to have them fitted when home.

Will give you a shout when in case you're about.

[cslsuperfan]

SuperSprint lightweight race back box and non res centre pipe.

Should be in at Barts in a week or so and will tie a visit to have them fitted when home.

Will give you a shout when in case you're about.


Good choice Brian

the non res offers more boom but it's easy to avoid.....stay away from 2000 rpm .

Just the cats and headers and then you'll really impress the neighbours!!

[pops]

Good choice Brian

the non res offers more boom but it's easy to avoid.....stay away from 2000 rpm .

Just the cats and headers and then you'll really impress the neighbours!!

I think they've only just got used to the peace and quiet after the GP went.

It had a R56 Scorpion exhaust on it as a R53 one would no longer fit after the diffusers went on....loud isn't the word!

Test fit for noise levels..and before anyone asks, the centre pipe was shortened!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVyE-LFdB50

[pops]

...

[ditchvisitor]

Looks very very nice!

[pops]

Small update,

Having come to my senses and deciding Cesil is staying, it's time for some luuurve :smt055

Booked in end of July for a front end tart up on the paint. It isn't in a drastic state but, being a picky git, I want it right.

Then off to Paintshield mid August for the self repairing protective film for the front bumper / spoiler and also the bit of the bonnet from the top of the kidney grilles down.

Then into a Gtechnic detailer in Derby at the end of August for a 2 stage machine polish, coating of the Crystal Lacquer stuff followed by one of the EXO stuff, windows done and the wheels done.

No wonder I've never got any money :whistle:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Small update,

Having come to my senses and deciding Cesil is staying, it's time for some luuurve :smt055

Booked in end of July for a front end tart up on the paint. It isn't in a drastic state but, being a picky git, I want it right.

Then off to Paintshield mid August for the self repairing protective film for the front bumper / spoiler and also the bit of the bonnet from the top of the kidney grilles down.

Then into a Gtechnic detailer in Derby at the end of August for a 2 stage machine polish, coating of the Crystal Lacquer stuff followed by one of the EXO stuff, windows done and the wheels done.

No wonder I've never got any money :whistle:

A lot of work will you ever drive it after all the detail work is completed.

[pops]

A lot of work will you ever drive it after all the detail work is completed.

I will do Craig, without a doubt.

Somewhere earlier in this thread a poster said a high end paint job "might" make it unusable plus various other posts elsewhere on the forum have rightly said that stone chips are unavoidable.

For that reason have been to see a painter who was recommended to me by a car dealer who's a mate and knows what I want, the cost is reasonable so will still be happy to use the car.

The paintshield film (SunTek) is purely to keep it looking tidy as long as possible.

Going down the gTechnic route to make keeping clean a bit easier, had the C5 stuff on the wheels of my previous car and found it to be outstanding. Have plenty of time when at work to trout about the internet and looked at many different routes but as said, went for the gTechnic.

In general regarding car usage, the first 12 months consisted of various trips to Barts (250 mile round trip) and, with the excitement of the car, going to collect a take-away in it, any excuse to drive it really! It's still only done 4400 miles in 14 months Although I'd happily drive it every day, I'm also happy now for it to become a high day and sunny day car. I'm away for work 6 months of the year plus I have a runabout for everyday use when home.

Sadly enough, when I'm at home, I'm still happy to go into the garage with a coffee just to look at it. Emma thinks old age has got to me and I've gone nuts.

[Yanto]

I thought you were selling pops ?

[pops]

I thought you were selling pops ?


I looked at it Ian, various reasons however, being bored with the car wasn't one of them.

Spoke to Barts and NJ and they both gave me a price that they said it would sell easily for and it was exactly the same!. It would've meant though that I'd have had to chuck a few sheckles in to go the route I was thinking off...and I had no wish to do that.

Have to come to the conclusion I just needed to relax a bit about its value and not be so sodding nervous about harming that value. Keep in mind it was bought as an investment, the fact that it's one of my all time favourite cars (that I could afford) just happens to be a bonus.

To be honest, I'm delighted with the value they gave me so no complaints on that score.

[pops]

Painting done, tremendous job and colour match is spot on. Was a bit concerned ref matching but turned out to be worrying about sod all.

Sticky stuff also on, front spoiler, leading edge of bonnet from the top of the kidney grilles down and also looked at getting the front of the rear wheel arches done but ended up with the full lower section on the rear quarter panels.

Just the 2 stage m/c polish and GTecnic stuff to go on.


It's in on Tuesday, looks the nuts already without the gtecnic.

[cslsuperfan]

Painting done, tremendous job and colour match is spot on. Was a bit concerned ref matching but turned out to be worrying about sod all.

Sticky stuff also on, front spoiler, leading edge of bonnet from the top of the kidney grilles down and also looked at getting the front of the rear wheel arches done but ended up with the full lower section on the rear quarter panels.

Just the 2 stage m/c polish and GTecnic stuff to go on.


It's in on Tuesday, looks the nuts already without the gtecnic.


Brian

where did you get your paint done??

[pops]

pm sent

[cslsuperfan]

Looking forward to some to pics....


you wont want to use it Brian when it's all shiny!!!!!

[pops]

Still waiting for pics from the painter however, dropped it off today for the final stage of its tart up.

http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/14188650_10154332013805638_1292594981721996933_o_z psduh29dir.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/14188650_10154332013805638_1292594981721996933_o_z psduh29dir.jpg.html)

[pops]

All sorted now, happy doesn't quite cover it :thumbs:
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/13243711_1102964356452648_2948871717317597758_o_zp sf0vdnkuu.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/13243711_1102964356452648_2948871717317597758_o_zp sf0vdnkuu.jpg.html)http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/14305379_1102964396452644_5198558054394143368_o_zp somixofhd.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/14305379_1102964396452644_5198558054394143368_o_zp somixofhd.jpg.html)http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/14242285_1102964609785956_3083647368455313250_o_zp snghhjpwv.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/14242285_1102964609785956_3083647368455313250_o_zp snghhjpwv.jpg.html)

[a_Y]

so you had film to protect the paint and then applied coating on top of the film?

[Mike R]

Looks amazing :) :thumbs:

[Yanto]

That looks ace pops :beer:

[Trawler]

Nice, looking the dogs nuts. :thumbs:

Hope you will still drive her.

Your local supermarket wash & shine will soon have her clean again :hahaha:

[billyboysm3]

All sorted now, happy doesn't quite cover it :thumbs:
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/13243711_1102964356452648_2948871717317597758_o_zp sf0vdnkuu.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/13243711_1102964356452648_2948871717317597758_o_zp sf0vdnkuu.jpg.html)http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/14305379_1102964396452644_5198558054394143368_o_zp somixofhd.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/14305379_1102964396452644_5198558054394143368_o_zp somixofhd.jpg.html)http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t461/Brian53/14242285_1102964609785956_3083647368455313250_o_zp snghhjpwv.jpg (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Brian53/media/14242285_1102964609785956_3083647368455313250_o_zp snghhjpwv.jpg.html)

MINT!!!

[pops]

so you had film to protect the paint and then applied coating on top of the film?

Yes.

Asked Paintshield about this. They said that with a gTechnic Crystal Serum coating applied to the paint before the film it would create problems getting the film to stick with the car surface being too smooth.

Asked the gTechnic guy about this and he confirmed it.

[pops]

Nice, looking the dogs nuts. :thumbs:

Hope you will still drive her.

Your local supermarket wash & shine will soon have her clean again :hahaha:

It'll definitely still be used :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

Looks spot on. :thumbs:

Mine also having it's first ever proper refresh at the moment. Hopefully ready in the next few weeks.

[plumber vic]

Shame looks like it's track days are over
Another garage queen😝😝😝😝😝

[pops]

Track days were never going to be an option whilst in my ownership.

Neither will the idea of it being a garage queen.

[ZKMI]

Looks brand spanking new.:smokin:

[glendog74]

Looking good Pops :smokin:

[Trawler]

Track days were never going to be an option whilst in my ownership.
.

Like I will not carry out any mods :hahaha:

You need to track her at least once for the experience.

[cslsuperfan]

Brian

Car looks too good

Must plead with the moderators to ban you from making all our car's look shite.....;)

Lovely car Brian, you must be chuffed.

[a_Y]

Yes.

Asked Paintshield about this. They said that with a gTechnic Crystal Serum coating applied to the paint before the film it would create problems getting the film to stick with the car surface being too smooth.

Asked the gTechnic guy about this and he confirmed it.

Darn! I should've done the film before my coating! I now only have coating and no film as some people have advised me that it's either or and not both...:banghead:

[pops]

Off down Barts Thursday am for MOT and, have the original resonated centre pipe back in.

Was never 100% with the non res so it's off, just tone it down a bit.

It was either that or buy a baseball cap and join the yoofs down at Tescos at midnight.

[cslsuperfan]

Off down Barts Thursday am for MOT and, have the original resonated centre pipe back in.

Was never 100% with the non res so it's off, just tone it down a bit.

It was either that or buy a baseball cap and join the yoofs down at Tescos at midnight.


Brian, there will always be a parking space for you down @ Tesco. ;)

Does drone a bit but next to the 991 RS's it's quiet as a mouse.

[M3 KVU]

Off down Barts Thursday am for MOT and, have the original resonated centre pipe back in.

Was never 100% with the non res so it's off, just tone it down a bit.

It was either that or buy a baseball cap and join the yoofs down at Tescos at midnight.
Oi you , money hasn't changed hands yet lol !!! :bigcry:

[pops]

Oi you , money hasn't changed hands yet lol !!! :bigcry:

Pssst,

Wanna buy a baseball cap :whistle:

[M3 KVU]

Pssst,

Wanna buy a baseball cap :whistle:

I'll meet you in maccy d's innit blue :blalalala::bigcry:

[pops]

I'll meet you in maccy d's innit blue :blalalala::bigcry:

:thumbs:

[pops]

After a lot of faffing in the form of "do I, don't I?" the airbox flap is being consigned to the garage on Monday.

Thought about sorting the coding of it to try and get it so it could be left in, opened at lower revs and basically getting it tailored to exactly what I wanted but, finding someone relatively local to do it is proving to be verging on the impossible.

Looking forward to the extra noise! :thumbs:

[select]

Good decision, enjoy the growl below 3000RPM. :supz:

[Trawler]

.

Looking forward to the extra noise! :thumbs:

You've got to drive it to hear it :hahaha::hahaha:

Be interested to hear what you think once it's done.

[M3 KVU]

You've got to drive it to hear it :hahaha::hahaha:

Be interested to hear what you think once it's done.

Plus 1 , I've thought about ditching the snorkel too.

[Mike R]

After a lot of faffing in the form of "do I, don't I?" the airbox flap is being consigned to the garage on Monday.

Thought about sorting the coding of it to try and get it so it could be left in, opened at lower revs and basically getting it tailored to exactly what I wanted but, finding someone relatively local to do it is proving to be verging on the impossible.

Looking forward to the extra noise! :thumbs:

....and the hesitation caused by too much airflow at low rpm :blalalala:. The flap isn't JUST for noise, it's to control the airflow into the engine at low engine speed to prevent this :gayfight:.

[pops]

All sorted and the flap and relevant screws are boxed and stashed in the back of the garage.

Thoughts?

Hesistation? None whatsoever.

Noise? Yes it does come in earlier but not as loud as when the thing is in full flow. Not sure what I expected tbh but the difference isn't as much as I expected. I suppose now it's off I know it isn't going to stop working a la Shimmy

Called into the local stealers whilst out and about (new bonnet badge reqd), had a chat with the tech who works on M cars whenever they have one in. Asked about potential downsides and he said "none".

Talking about having M cars in, there were 2 CSLs in. One had not long been out after being a few months occupying space there. It had been sent by a local BMW indy who'd been unable to sort a SMG problem, turned out to be a bad earth somewhere. It was back in for a bent control arm. The other belonged to an uncle of one of the managers and was in for discs and pads.

Rare day for them to have 3 CSLs on site.

[Mike R]

It is supposed to occur when you go straight to WOT at low speed, where the air flow into the engine jumps by an amount that the ECU isn't expecting to see (due to it thinking it has a flap controlling this).

At least when you do experience it, you will know why / what it is and know not to worry :).

[pops]

It is supposed to occur when you go straight to WOT at low speed, where the air flow into the engine jumps by an amount that the ECU isn't expecting to see (due to it thinking it has a flap controlling this).

At least when you do experience it, you will know why / what it is and know not to worry :).

To be honest Mike, I haven't tried WOT from low speed.

Wasn't in a scenario where I could try that.

[Trawler]

So what is WOT ?

[MisterCorn]

Wide Open Throttle

MC