Only 1 CSL for sale at the moment

[billyboysm3]

Thought Id have a look and see what's about and can only see the £80k one at NJ's.

Can only be a good thing.

I was going to sell up but that seems to be a very silly idea.

[billyboysm3]

Demand is higher than supply

[MisterCorn]

Amazing. I guess the time of year has something to do with it. I am thinking of selling mine and my NSX to fund a 599 GTB. I really need to test drive the Ferrari to see if I like it first. Sellers market for sure.

MC

[estoril]

Thought Id have a look and see what's about and can only see the £80k one at NJ's.

.

Can't see an NJ one at £80K....has it been removed already?

[Diamondgeezer]

Thought Id have a look and see what's about and can only see the £80k one at NJ's.

Can only be a good thing.

I was going to sell up but that seems to be a very silly idea.
And the one on eBay

[billyboysm3]

I just don't get eBay for selling a car like this.

[Neil M]

Where are you looking Billy? There's 3 on PH: 1 LHD, NJ's no options car and another SG in Lincolnshire. Then there's the one on ebay and another LHD on Car & Classic - should have gone to SpecSavers :hahaha:

[Cosworth50]

Where are you looking Billy? There's 3 on PH: 1 LHD, NJ's no options car and another SG in Lincolnshire. Then there's the one on ebay and another LHD on Car & Classic - should have gone to SpecSavers :hahaha:

There will be loads in 3 months. Now is a time that people hang on to their cars as its summer.

[mattCSLnut]

I just don't get eBay for selling a car like this.
Me neither mate :banghead: it seems quite wrong somehow

[CraigMillwardCroft]

There will be loads in 3 months. Now is a time that people hang on to their cars as its summer.

Think that is wishful thinking on your behalf :whistle:

[billyboysm3]

Think that is wishful thinking on your behalf :whistle:

Last year yes but I've got a feeling anyone with a half decent one is going to keep hold of it.

[billyboysm3]

Where are you looking Billy? There's 3 on PH: 1 LHD, NJ's no options car and another SG in Lincolnshire. Then there's the one on ebay and another LHD on Car & Classic - should have gone to SpecSavers :hahaha:

When I typed that only 1 came up. Searched again later and 3

[shimmy]

Been thinking about this. Even if the cars for sale is as before, with an increased demand and the feeling that buyers can't hang around, if they sell faster, there will seem less cars for sale as instead of being on PH classifieds for 4 weeks, they will be there for 7 days. So unless prices rise to a point where either demand drops OR. sale time increases at least, there will seem like less for sale even though there may even be more moving around the market.

Trouble is WHATEVER you sell it for, 95% chance that you will sit down in 6 months and cry uncontrollably as you'd wish (probably forever) that you'd kept it. Now that prices are rising everybody has the excuse why to keep and not to sell.

on Eurotunnel now :) byeeeee

[billyboysm3]

Good luck at spa. Text me and let me know how you got on.

[Pooky]

Millenium heroes put up two adverts two days ago but neither car was ever for sale, both just said sold straight away.

A good way to have cars you don't actually have for sale listed as pushing the prices up...

[Yanto]

Been thinking about this. Even if the cars for sale is as before, with an increased demand and the feeling that buyers can't hang around, if they sell faster, there will seem less cars for sale as instead of being on PH classifieds for 4 weeks, they will be there for 7 days. So unless prices rise to a point where either demand drops OR. sale time increases at least, there will seem like less for sale even though there may even be more moving around the market.

Trouble is WHATEVER you sell it for, 95% chance that you will sit down in 6 months and cry uncontrollably as you'd wish (probably forever) that you'd kept it. Now that prices are rising everybody has the excuse why to keep and not to sell.

on Eurotunnel now :) byeeeee

Good luck and check your boot before returning to Blighty !

[MisterCorn]

Good luck and check your boot before returning to Blighty !

I now know why there is no external boot release on the CSL. Very forward thinking these Germans.

MC

[glendog74]

I now know why there is no external boot release on the CSL. Very forward thinking these Germans.

MC

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Rather you than me Shim! :bigcry:

[Cosworth50]

Think that is wishful thinking on your behalf :whistle:

Sellers will always push up, buyers will try pull down. It's already 4-6 times more than a normal smg m3 which is a sufficient premium imho.

[Mike R]

Sellers will always push up, buyers will try pull down. It's already 4-6 times more than a normal smg m3 which is a sufficient premium imho.

All you have to do is look at the way the RS500 and E30 M3 Evo prices have gone to realise you are deluding yourself (£100k). It won't be too many years before the CSL goes the same way, especially as more cars leave the country.... There are only just over 200 UK cars left out of the original 422....

[Csl spurs]

There will be another one for sale next week;)

[cslsuperfan]

All you have to do is look at the way the RS500 and E30 M3 Evo prices have gone to realise you are deluding yourself (£100k). It won't be too many years before the CSL goes the same way, especially as more cars leave the country.... There are only just over 200 UK cars left out of the original 422....


Agreed Mike.

30K(£) csl's are no longer available.

At long last our loyalty to the CSL is now paying off.

10 years from now any CSL will not be exchanging hands for anything south of 60K(£).

[LeinsCSL]

Sellers will always push up, buyers will try pull down. It's already 4-6 times more than a normal smg m3 which is a sufficient premium imho.

Why should there be any correlation between standard M3s and the CSL? Completely different markets at this stage


There are only just over 200 UK cars left out of the original 422....

Yeah, sorry about that :blalalala: You lot can have it back in exchange for a CLK Black-shaped bunch of cash ;)

[digi]

130,000 Euros for one in Germany. Think UK has alot of catching up to do.

[billyboysm3]

Anyone that has bought a e46 m3 to drive it quicker than a Csl round a track
Knows how much time and ££££ needs to be invested.

Yep £60k minimum and I think that's over the next few years.

[nw942]

There's a SB 64k mile car on PH going for £34k.

IIRC this was sold by GP Cars earlier this year and was previously owned by a forum member.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-3-series-e46-m3-csl------------------2004/4365853

[billyboysm3]

There's a SB 64k mile car on PH going for £34k.

IIRC this was sold by GP Cars earlier this year and was previously owned by a forum member.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-3-series-e46-m3-csl------------------2004/4365853

Worst advert and picture ever!

[MisterCorn]

Ha ha. That was exactly my thought. Why do people just not bother doing the job properly?

MC

[Cosworth50]

Does anyone know that car?

It's high on owners but mileage seems ok and GP cars are reputable aren't they?

It was with them for less money a few months ago so the buyer is making a bit but hey ho

[GregorFuk]

The thing about the CSL is that when you scratch your head and ask yourself what the next logical step up is, the answer inevitably ends up being a GT3 or Even GT3 RS. The Renault Trophy series or JCW Minis just don't cut it so GT3 it is. Trouble is, GT3s are around double the price of a good CSL and that probably is a leap too far for the majority of CSL owners. The CSL has it's niche.

Even if GT3 prices slump a little there will remain a band of buyers that can stretch to a £40K toy but not an £80K toy. It's these buyers who will push values up.

All of the above being said the CSL is an old car now and there are plenty of people who will be put off with this. Owning and running a 13 year old car comes with it's own set of challenges and plenty of people won't entertain doing any sort of DIY. This aspect will shrink the pool of potential buyers.

I'm starting to ramble now.

All I know is that the couple who were camping next to us at Le Mans remarked on how many people had doubled back to have a squint around the CSL over the weekend. 13 years on they obviously still draw attention.

http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss125/GregorFuk/D2D1A818-B3E7-47C0-A305-D3A142C0738E_zpss3xc2zmv.jpg (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/GregorFuk/media/D2D1A818-B3E7-47C0-A305-D3A142C0738E_zpss3xc2zmv.jpg.html)

[LHutchin]

Does anyone know that car?

It's high on owners but mileage seems ok and GP cars are reputable aren't they?

It was with them for less money a few months ago so the buyer is making a bit but hey ho

Mr Sagman's car
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11756

[Cosworth50]

Agreed Mike.

30K(£) csl's are no longer available.

At long last our loyalty to the CSL is now paying off.

10 years from now any CSL will not be exchanging hands for anything south of 60K(£).

There is one on eBay now at £30k so they are available but yes, I fully agree they are desirable cars.

They should only increase in value unless the economy takes a wobble.

[Mike R]

There is one on eBay now at £30k so they are available but yes, I fully agree they are desirable cars.

They should only increase in value unless the economy takes a wobble.

Have you viewed it though.....

[Matt21]

The BP04 car has come up for sale three times in the last few months. Once at 63500, then 64000 now 64500. Not sure what is going on but I wouldn't buy it on this basis.

[GregorFuk]

The BP04 car has come up for sale three times in the last few months. Once at 63500, then 64000 now 64500. Not sure what is going on but I wouldn't buy it on this basis.

On the basis it's being driven?

[nw99]

Thanks Matt very interesting not sure what to make of it ..

[Neil M]

The BP04 car has come up for sale three times in the last few months. Once at 63500, then 64000 now 64500. Not sure what is going on but I wouldn't buy it on this basis.

Mr S sold the car with 63,500, it then moved from Merseyside to down South with GP Cars in Hertfordshire, who advertised the car reading 64,000, now advertised by the current owner in Somerset at 64,500.

Each sale has increased not only the mileage but also the asking price, 5K in 6 months isn't to be sniffed at ;)

[nw99]

Excellent trading by the looks of things

[Diamondgeezer]

One less for sale now as I'm the new owner of a SG :thumbs:
The car is at Bartlett's so I haven't even driven it yet !
So looking forward to getting my hands on it in a week or so
Many thanks to Jonnymaz for going out of his way to accomadate me during the sale

[MisterCorn]

One less for sale now as I'm the new owner of a SG :thumbs:
The car is at Bartlett's so I haven't even driven it yet !
So looking forward to getting my hands on it in a week or so
Many thanks to Jonnymaz for going out of his way to accomadate me during the sale

Well done. I bought mine from Bartlett's they really know their stuff.

MC

[LeinsCSL]

Congrats DG! :thumbs:

[Diamondgeezer]

Thanks guys I'm really looking forward to getting it looking its best again (andyk old car) so it's having the boot floor and a few other bits done at the moment
Can't say enough good things about Bartletts
From there initial inspection to taking on the work they've been a wealth of knowlage and help

then I'm sending it to the body shop for some work at the same time sending carbon splitters and rear diffuser to mark for a refurb

Rear view mirror and steering wheel also need sorting

Wheels are off to Lepsons and will be fitted with a new set of cups

Who knows I might even get a chance to drive it :-D

[Bounce]

Well done mate,enjoy :thumbs:

[0836whimper]

Good work DG !

Sounds like you are doing all the things to make it A1 too, nice.

[cslsuperfan]

The thing about the CSL is that when you scratch your head and ask yourself what the next logical step up is, the answer inevitably ends up being a GT3 or Even GT3 RS. The Renault Trophy series or JCW Minis just don't cut it so GT3 it is. Trouble is, GT3s are around double the price of a good CSL and that probably is a leap too far for the majority of CSL owners. The CSL has it's niche.

Even if GT3 prices slump a little there will remain a band of buyers that can stretch to a £40K toy but not an £80K toy. It's these buyers who will push values up.

All of the above being said the CSL is an old car now and there are plenty of people who will be put off with this. Owning and running a 13 year old car comes with it's own set of challenges and plenty of people won't entertain doing any sort of DIY. This aspect will shrink the pool of potential buyers.

I'm starting to ramble now.

All I know is that the couple who were camping next to us at Le Mans remarked on how many people had doubled back to have a squint around the CSL over the weekend. 13 years on they obviously still draw attention.




Your last paragraph says it all. The E46 CSL is soon to join the top step with the E9 & E30. "Soon" being the next decade.

[kman]

Mr S sold the car with 63,500, it then moved from Merseyside to down South with GP Cars in Hertfordshire, who advertised the car reading 64,000, now advertised by the current owner in Somerset at 64,500.

Each sale has increased not only the mileage but also the asking price, 5K in 6 months isn't to be sniffed at ;)

well 24-48hrs time il picking this one up (finally as the current owner only just beat me too it from GP Cars!) He's selling as not making use of it and has a Porsche cup car coming.

[nw99]

Welcome

[Neil M]

well 24-48hrs time il picking this one up (finally as the current owner only just beat me too it from GP Cars!) He's selling as not making use of it and has a Porsche cup car coming.

If you do the maths on the mileage eg. Merseyside to Hertfordshire is approx 200mls, so it did 300mls whilst in GP Cars care.
Similarly the chap now selling in North Somerset probably picked it up and drove it home, approx 170mls so again very little use. :thumbs:

Good luck with the purchase kman. ;)

[estoril]

Couple more turned up this morning in Europe:

http://www.ginaclassics.com/en/bmw-m3-csl-2003-e46-black-sapphire-3-en/

http://www.ginaclassics.com/en/bmw-m3-csl-2003-e46-black-sapphire/

[nw99]

Good spot Estoril thanks

[mattCSLnut]

Couple more turned up this morning in Europe:

http://www.ginaclassics.com/en/bmw-m3-csl-2003-e46-black-sapphire-3-en/

http://www.ginaclassics.com/en/bmw-m3-csl-2003-e46-black-sapphire/
Please, please, please link these Dutch CSL Ads to this CSL related PH thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1525264
... that should seriously tick all those misguided CSL haters off :thumbs: good & proper :supz:

EDIT: I see you're one step ahead of me :beer:

[estoril]

I have been following the PH thread with interest....

Lots of misguided (and mis-informed as well as opinionated) people posting on there.

[LeinsCSL]

There is an awful lot of judging the book by its cover on that thread, from people who've never even seen, nevermind driven, a CSL. Which is odd, as PH usually isn't like that... :hahaha:

[Mike R]

There is an awful lot of judging the book by its cover on that thread, from people who've never even seen, nevermind driven, a CSL. Which is odd, as PH usually isn't like that... :hahaha:

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :blalalala: !

[Matt21]

The second one has not been serviced in 9 years!

[MisterCorn]

The service history on both seems poor. I see they have both had their steering tightened, I did this recently on my 300SL to reduce the play, but have never heard of having to do it on a CSL. An error in translation I assume.

MC

[LeinsCSL]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :blalalala: !

Whoever said that was being sarcastic ;)

[cslsuperfan]

I have been following the PH thread with interest....

Lots of misguided (and mis-informed as well as opinionated) people posting on there.

Just read all 14 pages...

Interesting thread on a previous csl owner disliking the csl despite posting an 8:02 ring lap.

Obviously not quick enough ;);)

[Mike R]

Just read all 14 pages...

Interesting thread on a previous csl owner disliking the csl despite posting an 8:02 ring lap.

Obviously not quick enough ;);)

He's probably upset that he sold it for £18k and it's now worth £45k - sour grapes ;).

[cslsuperfan]

He's probably upset that he sold it for £18k and it's now worth £45k - sour grapes ;).


Stands to reason Mike.

[73CSL]

some people like the torque of a big V8 , or a turbo unit ... press the throttle at any revs and away you go , makes overtaking easy & lazy

I like that in my diesel ;)

For others like myself, I prefer an engine that is reletavily peaky and needs to be worked to get the best from it .. my 1973 2.4S is a prime example of this as it doesn't come on cam until 5500 rpm amd then it flys

horses for courses

[LeinsCSL]

Has NJ sold the £70k no-option one? Can't see it on his site anymore

[nw99]

Has NJ sold the £70k no-option one? Can't see it on his site anymore

It didn't think he put it up in his site in the first place

[LeinsCSL]

It didn't think he put it up in his site in the first place

Ah OK, that explains it then

[Chappers]

Just read all 14 pages...

Interesting thread on a previous csl owner disliking the csl despite posting an 8:02 ring lap.

Obviously not quick enough ;);)

BTG no doubt, still 37 seconds off the pace :whistle:

[cslsuperfan]

Has NJ sold the £70k no-option one? Can't see it on his site anymore


Was on PH last time I looked.

[mattCSLnut]

Has NJ sold the £70k no-option one? Can't see it on his site anymore
It's probably because it's on a S.O.R. agreements with the actual owner ;)

[cslsuperfan]

It's probably because it's on a S.O.R. agreements with the actual owner ;)

Is this the route you're taking Matt? :gayfight:

after the resto???

[mattCSLnut]

Is this the route you're taking Matt? :gayfight:

after the resto???
Ben, you do know what S.O.R. means, right ? :whistle: it isn't the same as SORN ;)

[cslsuperfan]

Ben, you do know what S.O.R. means, right ? :whistle: it isn't the same as SORN ;)


Matt my attempt at late night ribbing didn't come off.

The front end resto followed by an ad in the "car's for sale section"!!!

[mattCSLnut]

Matt my attempt at late night ribbing didn't come off.

The front end resto followed by an ad in the "car's for sale section"!!!

Nope :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: ... best U get your coat mate ;)
FYI... S.O.R. means "Sale Or Return" ...and I won't be doing that via NJ, that's for sure :thumbs:

[Barty]

Still for sale when I called last week. Seeing it this weekend I believe, but not heard back as yet!

[cslsuperfan]

Still for sale when I called last week. Seeing it this weekend I believe, but not heard back as yet!


Barty

Are you off to see the Lightweight csl @ Nick Johnson's?

Nick will let you drive all the available cars he has in stock. Great way to a establish a "back to back" comparison.

Watch out for the Sapphire Black Cesils...a little off the pace compared to the Silver Grey thoroughbreds!!!! :blalalala:

[Barty]

Barty

Are you off to see the Lightweight csl @ Nick Johnson's?

Nick will let you drive all the available cars he has in stock. Great way to a establish a "back to back" comparison.

Watch out for the Sapphire Black Cesils...a little off the pace compared to the Silver Grey thoroughbreds!!!! :blalalala:

The owner has the car back at the moment so think we are arranging the viewing around West London / Berkshire. I'm pretty certain I want a grey CSL and will buy on condition and reasonable price, which is a little off kilter with the one NJ has on offer. Does he as a dealer have a good rep? Are there others I should contact? Probably a private sale is the better option and have bought most of my best cars privately in the past!
Exciting times though.

[mattCSLnut]

Still for sale when I called last week. Seeing it this weekend I believe, but not heard back as yet!

FYI... be aware that 18K mile no option CSL had the Running In service at 400 miles from new which is way too early so may have not been run in properly + it's scheduled services are beyond the BMW recommended 2 year intervals. Also check the front wings/lower door edges right to the edge and inside the wheel arch to make sure there are no stone chips developing into blisters.

[cslsuperfan]

The owner has the car back at the moment so think we are arranging the viewing around West London / Berkshire. I'm pretty certain I want a grey CSL and will buy on condition and reasonable price, which is a little off kilter with the one NJ has on offer. Does he as a dealer have a good rep? Are there others I should contact? Probably a private sale is the better option and have bought most of my best cars privately in the past!
Exciting times though.


NJ is a csl enthusiast who has been selling csl's for nigh on ten years. I bought a SG CSL off him in 2007 long before the iconic status the csl now owns. The available csl market has dropped off massively of late thus reducing his quantity of available stock.

You're right in saying a private sale is the best route. Ideally landing on a cslregister car with provenance. They're a bit thin on the ground at the mo...

September will see a couple become available. Be ready!!!

[mattCSLnut]

The owner has the car back at the moment so think we are arranging the viewing around West London / Berkshire. I'm pretty certain I want a grey CSL and will buy on condition and reasonable price, which is a little off kilter with the one NJ has on offer. Does he as a dealer have a good rep? Are there others I should contact? Probably a private sale is the better option and have bought most of my best cars privately in the past!
Exciting times though.

A bit like Marimite ;) Some swear by him... other swear about him ;) :hahaha:
Yep Private sale/buy is best... directly from a known, long term owner (ideally on here) who's cherished their Cecil through out and knows it inside out :thumbs:
The problem is demand outstrips supply, there are none FOR SALE right now on here and when they do appear F.S. on CSLR they usually sell very quickly.
Tread carefully as low mileage CSL isn't necessarily the best CSL.

[Barty]

Barty

Are you off to see the Lightweight csl @ Nick Johnson's?

Nick will let you drive all the available cars he has in stock. Great way to a establish a "back to back" comparison.

Watch out for the Sapphire Black Cesils...a little off the pace compared to the Silver Grey thoroughbreds!!!! :blalalala:

Thanks for your responses, advice and insights to the market of what to look out for! Agree though, with such a small sample of available cars on the market, it's best to be ready when a good one appears. As Shaw Taylor said - 'Keep em peeled!' If your a kid of the 70's you know what I mean:birdman:

[Chappers]

Watch out for the Sapphire Black Cesils...a little off the pace compared to the Silver Grey thoroughbreds!!!! :blalalala:

Very true. The black cars absorb more heat into the paint which can make them up to 10kg heavier, which is why they're often slower. The extra heat also affects the boundary layer at higher speeds which dramatically increases the aerodynamic drag and coefficient of friction.

[Neil M]

Very true. The black cars absorb more heat into the paint which can make them up to 10kg heavier, which is why they're often slower. The extra heat also affects the boundary layer at higher speeds which dramatically increases the aerodynamic drag and coefficient of friction.

You'll have 'CMC' in tears :bigcry: not :hahaha:

[cslsuperfan]

Thanks for your responses, advice and insights to the market of what to look out for! Agree though, with such a small sample of available cars on the market, it's best to be ready when a good one appears. As Shaw Taylor said - 'Keep em peeled!' If your a kid of the 70's you know what I mean:birdman:

I am and I do.

[cslsuperfan]

A bit like Marimite ;) Some swear by him... other swear about him ;) :hahaha:
Yep Private sale/buy is best... directly from a known, long term owner (ideally on here) who's cherished their Cecil through out and knows it inside out :thumbs:
The problem is demand outstrips supply, there are none FOR SALE right now on here and when they do appear F.S. on CSLR they usually sell very quickly.
Tread carefully as low mileage CSL isn't necessarily the best CSL.


Barty

should you find a csl worthy of a viewing, take the car to Bartlett's in Huntingdon for Gareth to inspect. If it gets a clean bill of health rest assured you're onto a great example. The best £150 you'll spend pre-purchase.

[pops]

Well, was around in the 70's

Unfortunately was no longer a kid though :whistle:

[cslsuperfan]

Well, was around in the 70's

Unfortunately was no longer a kid though :whistle:

Brian surely the csl is winding a few years off the biological clock!!

By the way CSL is still @ Bart's; 9 weeks on Saturday.

It'll be there on Monday so no peeking as your modding vow is creeking at the seams!!

;)

[pops]

Biological clock is sitting at 62, mental one at 25.

Might be tempted to have a quick peek, I mean, I'm there all day so need something to do :thumbs:

[Barty]

Barty

should you find a csl worthy of a viewing, take the car to Bartlett's in Huntingdon for Gareth to inspect. If it gets a clean bill of health rest assured you're onto a great example. The best £150 you'll spend pre-purchase.

Thanks for that nugget of advice, unfortunately I know nothing on CSL other than 'I like it, a lot', so that will be so useful. My specialist area and most of my friends is an alternative German whips to the BMW!:beer:

[estoril]

Couple more just been spotted:

http://www.ayrtonsportscars.co.uk/2015/05/bmw-m3-csl-lhd/

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C629004

Both LHD

[Mike R]

Couple more just been spotted:

http://www.ayrtonsportscars.co.uk/2015/05/bmw-m3-csl-lhd/

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C629004

Both LHD

Both have APs as well (on the front at least).

[nw99]

Emailed the guy with the one in Portugal he is in no hurry to sell it he said .
Sounds like a nice car.
The other one at Ayrton has been around for a while reducing the price once so far.