CSL in the Snow !

[Rick H]

How much fun is a Cesil in the SNOOOOOWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!

[shimmy]

How much fun is a Cesil in the SNOOOOOWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!

Twice I have tried to drive my car out into the road outside my house when a little snow down and twice its been stranded 1.2m from my drive so NO

[Rick H]

Been out on a supercar meet this morning - was "interesting" getting back up a minor incline up to the house afterwards. One guy brought his tank - think that would have faired better . . . it certainly brought Knutsford to a temporary standstill :)

[Chappers]

I'm currently somewhere very snowy with a lot of RWD cars around me, they're ace. There are faster ways to get around but few are as fun. I'd love the CSL out here with me on some decent winter tyres but I'd be fairly worried about starting it and warming it up at -24 so I'd probably still have a winter hack if I lived here.

To be fair most cars are fun when it's snowy about :-D

[J2LTB]

The only time I've driven mine I the snow was to take it for it's subframe floor renewal. No way was missing that slot !!!!
It was poor to say the least. So scared of pranging it. The snow being flicked up in the rear arches sounded awful. Made it in one piece though. 6 weeks later the snow had gone 😃

[Graham]

Last time I tried to move my M3 in the snow to go and have a play all it did was shift 90 degrees on the spot before I gave up, terrible

Pretty gutted as wanted to hoon around a car park

[shimmy]

Last time I tried to move my M3 in the snow to go and have a play all it did was shift 90 degrees on the spot before I gave up, terrible

Pretty gutted as wanted to hoon around a car park

Same here...neighbours wife had to push me square to hype kerb to get back on the drive :whistle:

[Trawler]

Same here...neighbours wife had to push me square to hype kerb to get back on the drive :whistle:

I thought you had your car on SORN. Trying to save money. :finga:

[still no worries]

We were doing two days on the ring one year and day two it started snowing, I bet not many people have been round every corner and down every straight sideways ! The only problem was two laps later closed, I followed my mate in a wrx and could stay with him just, but there was only an inch of fresh snow, I think it was the best fun I've had in the csl at slow speed

[Neil M]

A CSL in the Snow is an absolute No Go!

SORN is the sensible option for the winter months as there's not much fun to be had when you can't get off the drive. :bigcry: (also saves on tyres and having the car sprayed with grit)

Bad enough in my 330 Touring, rear wheel drives do have their problems! :whistle:

[cslsuperfan]

Twice I have tried to drive my car out into the road outside my house when a little snow down and twice its been stranded 1.2m from my drive so NO


Tried it once in an E92 M3 DCT. Big mistake.
Wide tyres plus DCT equalled no control at all even from 5mph!!

managed to nurse the car back on to the drive using scaffolding boards.
Lesson learnt!!!

[3wheels3]

It is always sooo tempting though but would feel a total berk after you cracked the lovely front bumper on a curb or parked car! Once got caught out and needed a run up with traction turned off to get out of car park along with someone keeping dog the road was clear...never again :)

[Das Chin]

get some winter tyres and you can go anywhere in the snow.

have seen many M3s, mercs and porkers in Germany on winters with no issues.

nothing will save you on snow even in a 4x4. you need spikes!!

[Rick H]

get some winter tyres and you can go anywhere in the snow.

have seen many M3s, mercs and porkers in Germany on winters with no issues.

nothing will save you on snow even in a 4x4. you need spikes!!

Indeedy - I bought some chains a few years ago, never been out the box.

[erdingtonjohn]

Me and the Mrs got bored the Monday after Christmas and decided to go for a run out. A couple of hours later ended up in Munich in the worst weather they have had in years.

A3 was clear all the way down. Yes the tops were white but nothing to put us off. The road was clear and we made very good progress. Pulled of a road by the Olympic park and all hell broke loose.

The car was completely uncontrollable. We ended up having an escort by white van driver who sat behind us to our hotel by the main station after spinning it twice.

We abandoned the car and waited till the side road, the hotel was on was cleared and gritted before making our escape.

To round it off everything was closed so i never even got to the museum...

CSL and snow did not mix.

Winter tyres would have made a difference as there was a lot of Mercs and BMW's driving around as if nothing was there.

Chatting with the bar manager he told me they have more accidents in the snow with 4wd than 2wd. People think 4wd is a route to go anywhere and will attempt to go over the passes to there peril.




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[Chappers]

get some winter tyres and you can go anywhere in the snow.

have seen many M3s, mercs and porkers in Germany on winters with no issues.

nothing will save you on snow even in a 4x4. you need spikes!!

Spikes aren't really necessary unless you're doing extreme hill-climbs every day and in changeable conditions they can wreck the tarmac.

We run the Land Rovers on all-seasons and the Jags on winters with no issues out in Sweden. A lot of the locals have spikes just because it's almost like driving on tarmac. Gives them confidence I guess even if it's not strictly necessary.

The most dangerous thing on snow is someone in a 4WD who thinks that just because they were able to accelerate with their traction advantage they can stop or corner just as well and that's usually why it ends in tears.

[shimmy]

Spikes aren't really necessary unless you're doing extreme hill-climbs every day and in changeable conditions they can wreck the tarmac.

We run the Land Rovers on all-seasons and the Jags on winters with no issues out in Sweden. A lot of the locals have spikes just because it's almost like driving on tarmac. Gives them confidence I guess even if it's not strictly necessary.

The most dangerous thing on snow is someone in a 4WD who thinks that just because they were able to accelerate with their traction advantage they can stop or corner just as well and that's usually why it ends in tears.

My Smax with winters was 500% better than
Range Rover Sport with summers. Tried to break and turn I snow with RrS and it was disastrous.

[Chappers]

What summers were they? I think we've only just started offering them as options on the RRS and yeah they're fairly tricky to stop with. The all-season options however are are very, very impressive. The commute to work over the past couple of weeks on completely white roads in the various RRSs was regularly done at 70-90mph with no worries whatsoever.

Proper winters for the win though. We have to test what the car comes on in each market so try everything. For instance the AWD XFs and XJs come on All-Seasons in the market they're sold, whereas there's a winter option for the AWD F-types and holy crap what a thing that is. :smt077

[shimmy]

What summers were they? I think we've only just started offering them as options on the RRS and yeah they're fairly tricky to stop with. The all-season options however are are very, very impressive. The commute to work over the past couple of weeks on completely white roads in the various RRSs was regularly done at 70-90mph with no worries whatsoever.

Proper winters for the win though. We have to test what the car comes on in each market so try everything. For instance the AWD XFs and XJs come on All-Seasons in the market they're sold, whereas there's a winter option for the AWD F-types and holy crap what a thing that is. :smt077

Don't recall but 2008 RRS TDV8. Was ok but the weight was always the biggest enemy on stoping and turning. Not saying it was bad but Smax on winters was better

[Chappers]

Interesting, yeah you're always going to fight physics in a 2.5 tonne car not to mention that a winter tyre in winter will always beat an all season, specially with the S-Max's weight advantage. What I find remarkable is how good the all-season still is in winter considering it's the very same tyre running around on the cars in the UAE!

[thegingerninja]

Been out on a supercar meet this morning - was "interesting" getting back up a minor incline up to the house afterwards. One guy brought his tank - think that would have faired better . . . it certainly brought Knutsford to a temporary standstill :)

Do you live in / near Knutsford then?

[Rick H]

Do you live in / near Knutsford then?

Hi, not too far away - I'm near the Reebok Stadium (or Macron I think it's called these days).

[Das Chin]

I lived in Germany for years and swear by winters even in the UK. People think they are only good for snowy conditions. Wrong.

If the temp is below 7c the compound in summer tyres start to go off and harden so by freezing the summers are less than 40% efficient.

Winter tyres are great in rain too and less likely to aquaplane.

I have Dunlop 3d on the wife's 116 sport. Was up north in it the other day and was trucking past 4x4 drivers in their summer tyred up WMDs on 22 inch rims. Idiots. The looks I got were priceless....how is that 1 series going up the hill in snow. Winters darling. Winter tyres ;-)

The q5 on Conti winters with 9mm tread goes anywhere in the snow. Even pulled the plod out of a ditch locally as their Volvo suv thing was on summers. Fail.

Given the excess on cars then winters could just save you from that incidents which u have to pay out on and excess goes out. Much better ride than the horrid run flats on the 14 plate 116. Feels like a limo with softer side walls ;-)

[DazBlackCSL]

^ +1 winter tyres, so much better in wet, and cold

[shimmy]

^ +1 winter tyres, so much better in wet, and cold

hmmmmmm

both our daily cars are on winters and tbh i think apart from 2 days so far this year the M135 wold have had more grip on MPSS.

and as for no LSD, blooody nightmare

[Trawler]

hmmmmmm

both our daily cars are on winters and tbh i think apart from 2 days so far this year the M135 wold have had more grip on MPSS.

and as for no LSD, blooody nightmare

That will teach you to run on cheap Chinese winter tyres. :hahaha:

[Trawler]

I lived in Germany for years and swear by winters even in the UK. People think they are only good for snowy conditions. Wrong.

If the temp is below 7c the compound in summer tyres start to go off and harden so by freezing the summers are less than 40% efficient.

Winter tyres are great in rain too and less likely to aquaplane.

I have Dunlop 3d on the wife's 116 sport. Was up north in it the other day and was trucking past 4x4 drivers in their summer tyred up WMDs on 22 inch rims. Idiots. The looks I got were priceless....how is that 1 series going up the hill in snow. Winters darling. Winter tyres ;-)

The q5 on Conti winters with 9mm tread goes anywhere in the snow. Even pulled the plod out of a ditch locally as their Volvo suv thing was on summers. Fail.

Given the excess on cars then winters could just save you from that incidents which u have to pay out on and excess goes out. Much better ride than the horrid run flats on the 14 plate 116. Feels like a limo with softer side walls ;-)

Know what you mean a few years ago we overtook many Chelsea tractors when we had a fair bit of snow. Looks as you say priceless, from how can he do that to look at that bloody idiot. Mrs also thought it funny.

[SpineOnABap]

hmmmmmm

both our daily cars are on winters and tbh i think apart from 2 days so far this year the M135 wold have had more grip on MPSS.

and as for no LSD, blooody nightmare

I stuck Vred Wintrac Extremes on my CSL.. and the E92.. and now my daily Jag.. and to be honest the ONLY time I feel they come into their own is when it's actually SNOW on the roads, at which point they're EPIC - massive difference (unusable -> unstoppable).
In just cold/wet I never rated them that much - they just made my cars feel worse tbh.

[shimmy]

That will teach you to run on cheap Chinese winter tyres. :hahaha:

does make you wonder how different the winters are in different makes....but tbh it has rarelky been in real terms below seven degrees this year, oftne tyre temops get up to normal anyway and winter tyres so not hold the real time road grip of a good summer tyre, if you are using the bhp fully.

different all together in the SMaX which i could run the winters all year tbh just as good as the summer tyres im sure with 40bhp and fwd.

[0836whimper]

different all together in the SMaX which i could run the winters all year tbh just as good as the summer tyres im sure with 40bhp and fwd.

That's what I do on our Skoda ****mobile, it's that unsporty it doesn't really make any difference.

[Trawler]

The only reason the mini runs winter tyres is because of the Mrs. I keep telling her no point in going out in the snow as the other drivers will only get stuck, which, means you will too.

To be fair the winter tyres we had on the JCW had a lot more grip on wet wintry days. Could push that little bit more. Running normal tyres in the winter the arse on two separate occasions snapped out. To say mine also had a movement is an under statement.