running In Service

[Skelts]

Hey I'm sure this subject has been done to death, however to start the debate again how important is the running in Service now these cars are 10 plus years old?

If you found the right car but it didn't have the running in service until 2k would that put you off?

[s.mac]

I can't see what difference it makes now. Unless it has a new engine.

I'm sure others may disagree:whistle:

[Bounce]

Won't make any difference at all now engine wise,but come resale time it will ;)

[cslsuperfan]

Hey I'm sure this subject has been done to death, however to start the debate again how important is the running in Service now these cars are 10 plus years old?

If you found the right car but it didn't have the running in service until 2k would that put you off?

Zip diddly unless it has a mondial warranty that hasn't been tested.

ie an owner has placed warranty on the car at some point(mondial will accept most vehicles as they're screening is minimal)

Getting a warranty claim approved is the acid test..

No warranty no issue.

Come resale mind you'll have the same question raised by prospective buyers.....no running service til 2K blah,blah etc .

All depends ultimately on your plans for the car

Keeper ( they very rarely are )

or

12 month tenure.

[Neil M]

It wouldn't put me off if the rest of the history stacked up, however given that the Running-In service is probably the most important service in the cars history, the fact that it was late should be reflected in the sale price.
(Ideally 1,200mls max 1,500mls)

[MCSL]

It'd certainly put me off, but obviously a lot of other factors to take into consideration too i.e. mileage and the rest of the service history, owners, condition etc. You could always pay for an inspection (BMW or specialist) including compression test etc - could be money very very well spent. No cars cheap if it's fu*ked.

[s.mac]

Mine was bang on 1200 for the 1st service, the engine still went pop. Luck of the draw... Faultless full BMW service history.

You either find one inside the 1200 to 1500 to make you feel happy..

but how can you put a figure on knocking someone down if it's 500 miles over? On a 10 year old car....

Warranty IMO is worth jack shit these days

[s.mac]

Agree with doing a simple pressure test on any car

[Skelts]

Thanks it's a shame the car is immaculate and the rest of the history is spot on.

I assume it's 10 years on a if there was a problem it would have happened by now.

So how do you value what to ask for off with a slightly late running in service? I know when I come to sell there'll be doing it to me?

Also should the car have the limited number plaque on it?

[s.mac]

I'm not sure of the car you have seen but unless it's a dealer I can't see how you could ask for a discount based on that. You've said its mint and there are a lot of sheds out there. If it's in the back of your head that's it's over and it's a problem then walk away, if not try and do a deal, I would say every seller expects to move on price, especially at this time of year ;)

[Bounce]

Thanks it's a shame the car is immaculate and the rest of the history is spot on.

I assume it's 10 years on a if there was a problem it would have happened by now.

So how do you value what to ask for off with a slightly late running in service? I know when I come to sell there'll be doing it to me?

Also should the car have the limited number plaque on it?No the plaques came after,they occasionally come up for sale on here,PM Mark ;)

[Skelts]

I'm not sure of the car you have seen but unless it's a dealer I can't see how you could ask for a discount based on that. You've said its mint and there are a lot of sheds out there. If it's in the back of your head that's it's over and it's a problem then walk away, if not try and do a deal, I would say every seller expects to move on price, especially at this time of year ;)

I think your tight, you might see another car on here soon.

[Yanto]

I think your tight, you might see another car on here soon.

Wow...you really have got that Northern Monkey weighed up in a few posts :clown:

[mattCSLnut]

Thanks it's a shame the car is immaculate and the rest of the history is spot on.

I assume it's 10 years on a if there was a problem it would have happened by now.

So how do you value what to ask for off with a slightly late running in service? I know when I come to sell there'll be doing it to me?


I don't know the CSL in question but (with all due respect) you might look a bit foolish asking for a discount on a perfectly fit/immaculate car with Full Service History just because 10 years ago its running in service was @ 2000 miles. The fact is it had one ...and BMW themselves OK R.I. Service up to 2000 miles. As you assume yourself, if it was going to have a problem because of a lateish R.I. service it would have happened already.
My Cecil had it's R.I.S. @ 1800 miles... it has Full BMW main dealer service history and its had BMW's own Mondial Warranty for the first 9 years of its life without any issues on numerous Warranty claims, some engine related like full VANOS system replaced @ around 60K. It's still running perfectly on its original engine and head gasket, after 11 + years and 90K miles :smokin:
Out of curiosity, I had a compression & leak down test carried out by our Gareth :supz: and it was all bang on speck.

[cslsuperfan]

I don't know the CSL in question but (with all due respect) you might look a bit foolish asking for a discount on a perfectly fit/immaculate car with Full Service History just because 10 years ago its running in service was @ 2000 miles. The fact is it had one ...and BMW themselves OK R.I. Service up to 2000 miles. As you assume yourself, if it was going to have a problem because of a lateish R.I. service it would have happened already.
My Cecil had it's R.I.S. @ 1800 miles... it has Full BMW main dealer service history and its had BMW's own Mondial Warranty for the first 9 years of its life without any issues on numerous Warranty claims, some engine related like full VANOS system replaced @ around 60K. It's still running perfectly on its original engine and head gasket, after 11 + years and 90K miles :smokin:
Out of curiosity, I had a compression & leak down test carried out by our Gareth :supz: and it was all bang on speck.

Matt good news to read one of our vet cesils is behaving.

I was beginning to think it all goes tits up when the odometer hits 65K.

At least we have Gareth to make everything A1 should the need arise.

[mattCSLnut]

Matt good news to read one of our vet cesils is behaving.

I was beginning to think it all goes tits up when the odometer hits 65K.

At least we have Gareth to make everything A1 should the need arise.

:thumbs: Exactly :smokin:
My Cecil has been good to me since I got him in '09 @ 66K :beer: Changing engine oil & filter every 3K miles and having only Gareth work on him has helped to keep Cecil in tip top condition. Also, being always garaged when not in use has preserved all of the exterior components like rubber seals & the CF roof from deteriorating.
He's now into his 6th hibernation (in my ownership) all tucked in his little room with a fleecy blanket on :gayfight: and the mandatory C-Tech life support hooked up :smokin:

[philj]

(Ideally 1,200mls max 1,500mls)

Where did you get that information from?
I believe its 1700 miles max.

[Hankcharlie]

My car had running in service late, just over 2000 miles, got a compression test done and its perfect! I would have thought that's more important than a car that had its running in service on time but doesn't have good compression

[sailorbaz]

My car had running in service late, just over 2000 miles, got a compression test done and its perfect! I would have thought that's more important than a car that had its running in service on time but doesn't have good compression

Another late running in service here too, 2100 miles. I bought mine when it was 2 years old with 17000 miles on it from a dealer together with a letter from the DP stating that they'll standover any warranty work needing carried on the engine. Needing nothing until the vanis unit at about 30k miles, since then been faultless.

[shimmy]

Another late running in service here too, 2100 miles. I bought mine when it was 2 years old with 17000 miles on it from a dealer together with a letter from the DP stating that they'll standover any warranty work needing carried on the engine. Needing nothing until the vanis unit at about 30k miles, since then been faultless.



Mine was run in at 1000miles and has been 100% reliable, not an unnecessary penny spent on it in 104k miles

[mattCSLnut]

Mine was run in at 1000miles and has been 100% reliable, not an unnecessary penny spent on it in 104k miles

:hahaha: :smt082 :hahaha: Remind us again how many engines & diffs you've had so far ? :smokin:

[s.mac]

:birdman::birdman:
Tight ... Maybe :whistle:

But that said it's exactly the same as what Matt is saying :birdman:

[shimmy]

:hahaha: :smt082 :hahaha: Remind us again how many engines & diffs you've had so far ? :smokin:

I said UN-NECESSARY :)

[Trawler]

I said UN-NECESSARY :)

You should have gone into politics. :hahaha:

[cslsuperfan]

The highest one I saw was 4030 miles

At the time (2007) it was a big deal

But as most have alluded to- compression test, SH, & overall condition are the bench marks to purchase

[Trawler]

Matt good news to read one of our vet cesils is behaving.

I was beginning to think it all goes tits up when the odometer hits 65K.

At least we have Gareth to make everything A1 should the need arise.

I don't want to tempt fate, but my Cesil has also been great since I got it in 06.

One broken spring & leaky diff.

[cslsuperfan]

I don't want to tempt fate, but my Cesil has also been great since I got it in 06.

One broken spring & leaky diff.


You bought a belter!!

[Trawler]

You bought a belter!!

You can say that again. Don't know if it makes any difference but I like to drive it at least every two weeks (snow permitting)

[cslsuperfan]

You can say that again. Don't know if it makes any difference but I like to drive it at least every two weeks (snow permitting)


I hope Skelts is reading all the threads

The Running in service issue that was, just isn't anymore.

[mattCSLnut]

I said UN-NECESSARY :)
I read UN-NECESSARY ;) the funny bit was the "100% reliable" comment :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

I hope Skelts is reading all the threads

Probably not ;) as it sounded like he was hoping for some serious discount on a tidy Cecil which had a lateish R.I. service, some 10 years ago :hahaha:

The Running in service issue that was, just isn't anymore.

:thumbs: especially now that the warranty isn't worth much more than the paper it's written on.

[Skelts]

I know some of my mates would call me tight but that wasn't the reason for the thread.

having sold quiet a few M cars the first question any dealer seems to ask is the validity and timing of the running in service. I was just getting a further opinion, especially now the cars are some 10+ years old.

The car is lovely and difficult to fault.

[Trawler]

I know some of my mates would call me tight but that wasn't the reason for the thread.

having sold quiet a few M cars the first question any dealer seems to ask is the validity and timing of the running in service. I was just getting a further opinion, especially now the cars are some 10+ years old.

The car is lovely and difficult to fault.

Sounds like you think it's a good one & looks like you are going for it. If you are not certain & you don't live a million miles away get it checked over by Gareth.

When you get a Cesil you will not regret it.

[cslsuperfan]

I know some of my mates would call me tight but that wasn't the reason for the thread.

having sold quiet a few M cars the first question any dealer seems to ask is the validity and timing of the running in service. I was just getting a further opinion, especially now the cars are some 10+ years old.

The car is lovely and difficult to fault.


Skelts

sounds like the deal is done.........good man.:smokin:

[s1csl]

You will be ok , but if it needs a genuine BMW M3 CSL cam you will be f*c*ed if it has the BMW warranty