CSL value guide (end-2014)

[MCSL]

It'd be interesting to see what the market value of the CSL stands at today. Obviously there are movements in price up and down for condition / history etc, but as a rough guide - how much would the following cars be?

miles

10k
20
30
40
50
60
70
80
90
100
110
120

[shimmy]

It'd be interesting to see what the market value of the CSL stands at today. Obviously there are movements in price up and down for condition / history etc, but as a rough guide - how much would the following cars be?

miles

10k
20
30
40
50
60
70
80
90
100 - £40,000 if grey
110
120

:)

[Trawler]

miles

10k
20
30
40
50. £55k if it's the faster colour
60
70
80
90
100 - £40,000 if grey
110
120

[Bounce]

miles

10k
20
30
40
50. £55k if it's the faster colour
60
70
80- £32k-£34k my agreed value :smokin:
90
100 - £40,000 if grey
110
120

[Chappers]

10k
20
30
40
50. £55k if it's the faster colour
60
70
80- £32k-£34k my agreed value
90
100 - £40,000 if grey
110
120 - $100,000,000,000,000,000

http://iichan.hk/b/arch/thumb/1264266725165s.jpg

[glendog74]

120 - $100,000,000,000,000,000

http://iichan.hk/b/arch/thumb/1264266725165s.jpg

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[shimmy]

10k
20
30
40
50. £55k if it's the faster colour
60
70
80- £32k-£34k my agreed value
90
100 - £40,000 if grey
110
120 - $100,000,000,000,000,000

http://iichan.hk/b/arch/thumb/1264266725165s.jpg

Now you are being rediculous :whistle:








Bounces car is worth way more than £34k :smokin:

[Touring]

Based on SG cars which have actually sold in the last 6 months the current values would appear to be

<10k miles £60k+
<15-20k miles £50k-£60k

[shimmy]

Unfortunately all this temporary price rise means is you lot will be spending more tim stalking about paint correction, OEM panel trim replacements and how to brush the alacantra rather than driving the little beauty :(

[73CSL]

temporary ?

I think prices are going to stay firm

Doesn't stop me using my CSL ... although I've now just clicked 66K miles :thumbs: ..

[digi]

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/bmw-m3-csl-orig-6200-km-1-hand-deutsche-auslief-urbach-bei-stuttga/200978163.html?lang=en&pageNumber=1&__lp=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&makeModelVariant1.makeId=3500&makeModelVariant1.modelId=45&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=CSL&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&minFirstRegistrationDate=2003-01-01&damageUnrepaired=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORT&noec=1

110K EUR - approx. 3K miles

[shimmy]

temporary ?

I think prices are going to stay firm

Doesn't stop me using my CSL ... although I've now just clicked 66K miles :thumbs: ..

Without doubt temporary yes, the whole car market for "classics" and "limited editions" is inflated currently for sure. A correction is due I feel.

[Trawler]

Without doubt temporary yes, the whole car market for "classics" and "limited editions" is inflated currently for sure. A correction is due I feel.

Especially for pork.

[E46CSL]

Especially for pork.


Porsche should make just a few cars, and sell the certificate of entitlement to 100 times as many people.

So people just trade the certificate, and if anyone wants physical delivery (for few drive them nowadays), they have a few available - like a bank with your money/investments.

& if there is a run, they get given Passats or something

[MCSL]

Prices for certain Porsche's have just gone daft now - almost laughable. The CSL if you look at it has had a more mature, steady and justified price rise. Look at 1M's - some are still at list price at 3+ yrs old! E46 M3 CS's - some are advertised at nearly CSL prices! The CSL looks very cheap next to some cars. Maybe fingers will get burnt? But i know the CSL will be safe.

[mattCSLnut]

Prices for certain Porsche's have just gone daft now - almost laughable. The CSL if you look at it has had a more mature, steady and justified price rise. Look at 1M's - some are still at list price at 3+ yrs old! E46 M3 CS's - some are advertised at nearly CSL prices! The CSL looks very cheap next to some cars. Maybe fingers will get burnt? But i know the CSL will be safe.

Agreed :thumbs: it seems this most recent "Modern Classic Car/Pork bubble" is just about ripe enough to burst :whistle: just like the last one did when overnight prices of 'E' Type Jags (and lots of other 60's British classics ) went through the roof to the point where some people where shipping in US speck LHD 1960's British wrecks back to Blighty to restore and convert to RHD, quickly and sometimes quite badly :banghead:

[Chappers]

I hope the Porsche bubble does burst because I'd really like to own a 997 GT3 one day.

[cslsuperfan]

Without doubt temporary yes, the whole car market for "classics" and "limited editions" is inflated currently for sure. A correction is due I feel.

I sincerely hope so. GT3RS prices are getting a tad ridiculous.

That said JZM prices have eased recently.

[MarcM]

GT3 RS 4.0 prices are crazy. Surely for car bubble to burst people need an alternative investment to be more appealing and the property market is still a bit fecked.

[plumber vic]

Hopefully got out of the pork just in time :whistle::whistle:

[khooni]

I sincerely hope so. GT3RS prices are getting a tad ridiculous.

That said JZM prices have eased recently.


i noticed.. damn

i was hoping my 7.2 rs would be worth 200k by xmas.....:whistle:

[Marv968]

I sincerely hope so. GT3RS prices are getting a tad ridiculous.

That said JZM prices have eased recently.

Perhaps not!

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/964-turbo-s-leichtbau-for-sale-623

[GregorJP]

Perhaps not!

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/964-turbo-s-leichtbau-for-sale-623

It would be a thing of such beauty if it were not for the fact that the steering wheel looks like it was made by Mattel.

[Marv968]

It would be a thing of such beauty if it were not for the fact that the steering wheel looks like it was made by Mattel.

Yep, the steering wheel is awful!

It's the same one as fitted to my 968CS (though mine is all black and looks much, much better) quite easy to change over as there's no airbag to contend with!

[EVLXGE]

I sincerely hope so. GT3RS prices are getting a tad ridiculous.

That said JZM prices have eased recently.

I've just got my agreed value confirmed for GT3. Its increased just over 40k what I paid for it 2 years ago. Madness.

I know we all talk prices up on here :whistle: but what do you think a 50k mile CSL is worth at the moment. With warranty, all services on time, AP's, book load of receipts etc

[shimmy]

I know we all talk prices up on here :whistle: but what do you think a 50k mile CSL is worth at the moment. With warranty, all services on time, AP's, book load of receipts etc

£21.5k...cheque is in the post

[cslsuperfan]

I've just got my agreed value confirmed for GT3. Its increased just over 40k what I paid for it 2 years ago. Madness.

I know we all talk prices up on here :whistle: but what do you think a 50k mile CSL is worth at the moment. With warranty, all services on time, AP's, book load of receipts etc

North of 36K? with BBK even a smidge more.

Your 997 is orange if I remember.......you must be a happy chap given the revised value. I'm very keen to follow suit with a 997 but very conscious of a possible deflation in price in 2015.

[Neil M]

I know we all talk prices up on here :whistle: but what do you think a 50k mile CSL is worth at the moment. With warranty, all services on time, AP's, book load of receipts etc


NJ had an SG for sale back in August with 49,500 on the clock, the asking price was £33,995. ;)

[E30M3SE]

That said JZM prices have eased recently.

Calm before the storm,

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/964-turbo-s-leichtbau-for-sale-623

they'll also soon be advertising, unless they sell before hand of course, a pair of 993 Turbo S models, one with delivery miles and one with 60 miles for a cool £700K each and a 993 GT2 at the same same money.

[Lefty]

You guys are forgetting that there is a whole new wealthy league only just getting interested in classics. Till date they were mostly looking at purple lambo's.
On top of that, cars have changed. It's all turbo, pdk and electric steering nowadays.
As with any other stuff, vintage is and remains hot.

Car to buy now is (IMO) 996 GT3

[Trawler]

You guys are forgetting that there is a whole new wealthy league only just getting interested in classics. Till date they were mostly looking at purple lambo's.
On top of that, cars have changed. It's all turbo, pdk and electric steering nowadays.
As with any other stuff, vintage is and remains hot.

Car to buy now is (IMO) 996 GT3

Yes, but you forgot to add two important letters. RS

[MCSL]

Yes, but you forgot to add two important letters. RS

Both 996 RS and non-RS good news - ship has sailed on the the former now though. 1999 mk1 GT3 CS will be raving news. My vote though would go for a gen1 997 GT3 for around £60-65k - same body, engine (Mezger - albeit different state of tune), and many many components as the 4.0RS, but around £300k less! It seems the 997.1 has been forgotten.... for now:whistle:

[Lefty]

Yes, but you forgot to add two important letters. RS

ship has sailed on the the former now though.

Exactly. For a 996RS you're way too late. Same goes for 964RS.
997mk1 RS in orange, black or silver can still be picked up at reasonable prices, but I'm curious to see how mk1 values will fare compared to mk2's. There's not that much difference between 'm now, which surprises me a bit.

My money would be on 996 mk1 CS at the moment. 997 mk1 GT3 will take some more time to consolidate lower.


But hey - we're talking about CSL's here right :blalalala:
The prices of CSL's seem to be at a stalemate the past 2 years (I'm talking LHD, not too familiar with the RHD situation).

Production numbers are 841 LHD's and 542 RHD's if I'm correct, right? (excluding 19 LHD and 10 RHD pre-production examples)

[Stumpy]

The GT3 is hopefully my next ride, possibly next year.
I was looking at a 996.2 but they a) seem impoible to find at all, and b) are c£50k minimum now.
In comparison the 997.1 can be had for c£63k.

To me it seems much better sense to get a newer 997.1 with low miles than a leggier older version.

Woudn't even consider a 996.1 GT3. Those headlights :gayfight:

But that's just me.

:bigcry:

[Levente]

it is skyhigh in Germany there are now 3 csl which costs above 90 000 euro.
the most expensive is with 27 000 km. costs 116 000 €. almost a price as a Z8

[still no worries]

SG with 20 thou on the clock. How much do you guys thing it's worth then ? ( Just had inspection 11 and 4 new cups also APs on the front)

[Neil M]

£50k+ :thumbs:

[MCSL]

SG with 20 thou on the clock. How much do you guys thing it's worth then ? ( Just had inspection 11 and 4 new cups also APs on the front)

Put front brakes back to standard. Sell AP's. Advertise for £50k.

[Trawler]

it is skyhigh in Germany there are now 3 csl which costs above 90 000 euro.
the most expensive is with 27 000 km. costs 116 000 €. almost a price as a Z8

Wow. :smt038:wav:

[Lefty]

it is skyhigh in Germany there are now 3 csl which costs above 90 000 euro.
the most expensive is with 27 000 km. costs 116 000 €. almost a price as a Z8


Well, those prices are a bit wishful thinking atm I' afraid.
An identical 997 mk1RS in green is advertised at 160K on mobile.de, with higher mileage. Just sayin' ;)

Switzerland seems to be rather cheap!
8 available, 3 below 50K EUR, another 3 between 50k-60K EUR and 2 between 60K-75K.

[Gurbinder]

Our 1 owner car with 14k must be 50k all day long maybe even 55k

[MCSL]

Our 1 owner car with 14k must be 50k all day long maybe even 55k

What's the history like? I'd of thought £55k. Don't come much better than 1-owner 14k miles

[Gurbinder]

What's the history like? I'd of thought £55k. Don't come much better than 1-owner 14k miles

Serviced by supplying dealer every 2/3 years only covers about 5/600 miles a year.

[MCSL]

Serviced by supplying dealer every 2/3 years only covers about 5/600 miles a year.

It has to be £55k minimum. I'm going to advertise mine (possibly in New year - Feb/March) at £40kish. 31k miles, 4 previous owners, FBMWSH.

[E46CSL]

What's the history like? I'd of thought £55k. Don't come much better than 1-owner 14k miles

Great for a collector, but that works against using it. Pity, but that's the new game.

[MikeNsx]

From experience, low miles is for collectors only, seen lots of low milers with deep scratches on cam lobes as they get dry from very low usage. Engine internals and components suffer more corrosion due to short distance runs and old oil. For a car to drive, one with more miles and a service every year is a much safer bet. Although, lovely car...

[Geesus]

It has to be £55k minimum. I'm going to advertise mine (possibly in New year - Feb/March) at £40kish. 31k miles, 4 previous owners, FBMWSH.

Send me a PM or email when you're ready or anyone else with a ~30,000 - 50,000mile car, don't mind bolt on mods (Brakes, exhaust and suspension).

I've relocated recently to London (from New Zealand) and am looking at either a CSL or a 1M (a 996 GT3 too but that ship has sailed).
I'm guessing I know a couple of people on here from my E30 M3 days, Clubber (Can) and NZM3 (Tom)
Cheers, Ollie

[MCSL]

Send me a PM or email when you're ready or anyone else with a ~30,000 mile car, don't mind bolt on mods (Brakes, exhaust and suspension).

I've relocated recently to London (from New Zealand) and am looking at either a CSL or a 1M (a 996 GT3 too but that ship has sailed).
I'm guessing I know a couple of people on here from my E30 M3 days, Clubber (Can) and NZM3 (Tom)
Cheers, Ollie

Will do Ollie. Ship hasn't sailed that far on the gen1 997 GT3, yet. I still may go that route but have name down for Cayman GT4 - hence will prob sell CSL around Feb/Mar - when more details on the CGT4 are announced.

[Equinox]

My CSL 32,000 fbmwsh is insured for £42,500 (£7k up on 12 months ago)

[Geesus]

Will do Ollie. Ship hasn't sailed that far on the gen1 997 GT3, yet. I still may go that route but have name down for Cayman GT4 - hence will prob sell CSL around Feb/Mar - when more details on the CGT4 are announced.

What are your thoughts on 996 and 997 GT3 prices then? Is Pistonheads pretty much the bible in terms of where the pricing is?

[MCSL]

997 considered by many to be a much better road car as well as still being an awesome track machine. Much nicer interior and exterior too. Best 996 examples are now knocking on the door of £55-60k. 997 can still be had for £65-70k with 2years Porsche warranty (worth £2.5k). 997.1RS now £100k+. 997.2RS £150k+. 4.0RS £250k+. I feel the 7.1GT3 (which is 90-95% of the 7.1RS, and probably 80-85% of the 7.2RS) is the best value 'GT3' atm.

[Lefty]

997 considered by many to be a much better road car as well as still being an awesome track machine. Much nicer interior and exterior too. Best 996 examples are now knocking on the door of £55-60k. 997 can still be had for £65-70k with 2years Porsche warranty (worth £2.5k). 997.1RS now £100k+. 997.2RS £150k+. 4.0RS £250k+. I feel the 7.1GT3 (which is 90-95% of the 7.1RS, and probably 80-85% of the 7.2RS) is the best value 'GT3' atm.

Fully agree

[Rob747]

What about this cat-D one at NJ?

Does anyone have any further info on its loss and recovery?

[Rob747]

What about this one at NJ? Priced right?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-e46-m3-csl-cat-d-2004/3041746What

[Neil M]

Link not working?

[mattCSLnut]

What about this one at NJ? Priced right?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-e46-m3-csl-cat-d-2004/3041746What

It's hard to say without an in depth inspection by someone like our Gareth who knows Cecils inside out :thumbs:
The Advert says it's Cat D because it was stolen but... while it was stolen was it involved in any accidents and did it suffer any structural damage.
Also did it have the rear sub-frame boot floor professionally inspected recently for infamous cracks ? and was the passenger air bag recalled ?

[nw942]

Put front brakes back to standard. Sell AP's. Advertise for £50k.

But what would someone actually get for it?

[MCSL]

But what would someone actually get for it?

come again?