M4 v CSL

[Jon8710]

Has any one put these two up against each other yet ?

If so can you share some info

Cheers

[Yanto]

Took on the M4 in my CSL.

Was in Cardiff by the time I opened my eyes.:smt068

Boom....

(I'm here all night...)

[Yanto]

Are you coming to Tayabbs ? It's only round the corner saaaaaaan !

[Jon8710]

Hello mate
Yea I've been down there before when you heading down there mate ?

[Yanto]

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?p=175990#post175990

[shimmy]

M4 is about twice as fast as CSL.

[MCSL]

M4 is about twice as fast as CSL.

Yes. CSL looks and sounds twice as good though :smokin:

[cslsuperfan]

Yes. CSL looks and sounds twice as good though :smokin:

Bang on sir

They are growing on me though:smokin:

[billyboysm3]

Not driven a M4 but had use of the new M3 for a week and the use of it last Thursday.

Great car, kills the CSL for speed, the handling in the Wet is insane, soooooooo much grip. Done 800 miles in them, all in the rain :(

I would go as far as this would be CSL time at the ring on Pilot Sports, put it on cups and it would be off.

[Chappers]

Officially the M4 was two seconds off the CSL at 7m52 vs 7m50 but yeah on cups it'd monster it, probably low 7m40's.

[0836whimper]

They are both very fast, but one's got a stonking great carbon air-box that makes incredible noises, the other one hasn't.

(there's an Evo article on the CSL Airbox by the way)

[Marv968]

(there's an Evo article on the CSL Airbox by the way)

What issue is that?

[still no worries]

you would think bmw would have made it faster by now !

[0836whimper]

What issue is that?


It's on (in ?) the app right now and presumably will be in the next print edition in the 'Art of Speed' section, back page.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/1ba0ab01-d31e-4b6f-8ee0-7d627abe73d0_zps3e523d9d.png

"When the M3 CSL hit the streets there were gasps. Here was a hardcore statement of intent.....with 355bhp courtesy of an outrageously in-yer-face fist of a carbon fibre airbox....extending the engine's aerobic reach to new heights.....few engines from anywhere have ever sounded better."

"It's a sound that seductively asserts that the E46 CSL remains the most focused, hardcore M3 of the lot."

etc etc :thumbs:

[MCSL]

They are growing on me though:smokin:

They'll be growing on me too when the low-deposit, £500/month, 0%, 5yrs Free servicing deals kick off. Until then... the new C63s gets my tail wagging!

[pinkpanther008]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gAssing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1443248&nmt=RE%3A+BMW+M4+GTS+testing%3F

[Mark CSL]

They'll be growing on me too when the low-deposit, £500/month, 0%, 5yrs Free servicing deals kick off. Until then... the new C63s gets my tail wagging!
+1 they are dropping in price but the deals are crap i thinks thats why they are not many about the deals are just not there :whistle:
My m8 has just ordered a new cayman gts and was offered 4.1% apr bmw want 7.1%:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[Clubber]

I test drove one during BMW M Experience here in Istanbul at Istanbul Park F1 Circuit. Having attended many track days with my CSL there I was able to compare turn speeds, handling etc.

I could safely say except for the noise department the new M4 excels in every possible way. Lag was almost non-existent, handling was perfect, brakes were excellent (ceramics) and power was immense. It is a great car and a fitting M car.

I think BMW cracks this M3 thing in every two generations. E30, E46 and F80 are the best of all, the others are just in-between models IMO.

[Marv968]

It's on (in ?) the app right now and presumably will be in the next print edition in the 'Art of Speed' section, back page.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/1ba0ab01-d31e-4b6f-8ee0-7d627abe73d0_zps3e523d9d.png

"When the M3 CSL hit the streets there were gasps. Here was a hardcore statement of intent.....with 355bhp courtesy of an outrageously in-yer-face fist of a carbon fibre airbox....extending the engine's aerobic reach to new heights.....few engines from anywhere have ever sounded better."

"It's a sound that seductively asserts that the E46 CSL remains the most focused, hardcore M3 of the lot."

etc etc :thumbs:

:smokin:

Must be in the upcoming issue.

[E46CSL]

...

I think BMW cracks this M3 thing in every two generations. E30, E46 and F80 are the best of all, the others are just in-between models IMO.

E36M3 was the 1st mass market M3, and is appreciated more than in recent years. Wonderful ride. Great dedicated track day car, better than the later ones.

The E92 - more difficult to fall in love with this, weight, size, lack of torque & not really track friendly. A grown up M3 that did not pull at the heart strings.

[MCSL]

+1 they are dropping in price but the deals are crap i thinks thats why they are not many about the deals are just not there :whistle:
My m8 has just ordered a new cayman gts and was offered 4.1% apr bmw want 7.1%:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

gts = v.nice! If not needing rear seats gts is a no-brainer vs M4, imo.

[M&N]

gts = v.nice! If not needing rear seats gts is a no-brainer vs M4, imo.
Can't argue with this!!! :wink:

[0836whimper]

That latest edition of EVO I mentioned has landed.
We all owe David Vivian a beer, there's some very nice words he's written about our cars.
:beer:

[digi]

Dame, they offer cars in the UK on the pennies.:banghead::bigcry:

[Jurn]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x76/JURN_01/IMG_1252_zpsec58e86b.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/JURN_01/media/IMG_1252_zpsec58e86b.jpg.html)

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x76/JURN_01/10471391_10201942822041473_7960409498822796754_o_z ps2802c8d5.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/JURN_01/media/10471391_10201942822041473_7960409498822796754_o_z ps2802c8d5.jpg.html)

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x76/JURN_01/10480189_10203474326192589_7060609360394090037_n_z ps40c7aa80.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/JURN_01/media/10480189_10203474326192589_7060609360394090037_n_z ps40c7aa80.jpg.html)

[shimmy]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x76/JURN_01/IMG_1252_zpsec58e86b.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/JURN_01/media/IMG_1252_zpsec58e86b.jpg.html)

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x76/JURN_01/10471391_10201942822041473_7960409498822796754_o_z ps2802c8d5.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/JURN_01/media/10471391_10201942822041473_7960409498822796754_o_z ps2802c8d5.jpg.html)

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x76/JURN_01/10480189_10203474326192589_7060609360394090037_n_z ps40c7aa80.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/JURN_01/media/10480189_10203474326192589_7060609360394090037_n_z ps40c7aa80.jpg.html)


Lovely...BUT WHERE WERE YOU HIDING IN 2012 WHEN WE WERE IN MUNICH......:smokin:

[Jurn]

Working in the studio :whistle:
I still regret though that I wasn't there :bigcry:

[shimmy]

Working in the studio :whistle:
I still regret though that I wasn't there :bigcry:

although im not sure where we would have put your white CSL :)

(Papenburg drfting 29th March?)

[Jurn]

I would have preferred near the faster black ones :gayfight:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

The CSL is still better looking, does not matter what they do to new cars they just seem to be missing something :thumbs:

[Jurn]

Do you have some more info about Papenburg drfting 29th March Shimmy?

[shimmy]

Do you have some more info about Papenburg drfting 29th March Shimmy?

what more do you need :smokin:

Sunday......29th March......drifting........me, barry, lucas (leaded) and Mr Johnson.

Might do soemthing Sat or Monday as well.

[0836whimper]

Nice pics !

The rising door crease/window lines on modern cars is very noticeable on the M4, as taken probably a step too far on the Evoque

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/2011-Land-Rover-Range-Rover_Evoque-09_zps2d08ea5c.jpg

[GregorJP]

The CSL is still better looking, does not matter what they do to new cars they just seem to be missing something :thumbs:

This.

[cslsuperfan]

The CSL is still better looking, does not matter what they do to new cars they just seem to be missing something :thumbs:

Agreed.....However M4 is rapeeeeeedo....Elms Cambourne had a Mineral Grey M4 just before crimbo........stunning with the black rims.

Are any folk on here toying with the idea of M4 ownership?:smokin:

[derek]

Agreed.....However M4 is rapeeeeeedo....Elms Cambourne had a Mineral Grey M4 just before crimbo........stunning with the black rims.

Are any folk on here toying with the idea of M4 ownership?:smokin:

Have been thinking about it now that Litchfields are doing mods.

http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/BMW/bmw_m4/upgrades

[mattCSLnut]

Agreed.....However M4 is rapeeeeeedo....Elms Cambourne had a Mineral Grey M4 just before crimbo........stunning with the black rims.


Agreed... but only in a straight line ;) I test drove M3/M4 last year back to back and they were just plain embarasing through corners by comparison to Cecil which I drove to the test drive :smt055 ... and then back home, without chopping it in for one of the young guns ;)
The problem was the nature of the TT straight six is just too darn torque peaky when attacking a corner CSL style, with either TC ON which kills power mid corner/ up on enthusiastic exit... or TC Off which just looses traction far too easily by overwhelming the MICHELIN Super Sports into a cloud of smoke.
Oh and the stearing just felt numb... again by comparison to Cecils :supz:

[shimmy]

Agreed... but only in a straight line ;) I test drove M3/M4 last year back to back and they were just plain embarasing through corners by comparison to Cecil which I drove to the test drive :smt055 ... and then back home, without chopping it in for one of the young guns ;)
The problem was the nature of the TT straight six is just too darn torque peaky when attacking a corner CSL style, with either TC ON which kills power mid corner/ up on enthusiastic exit... or TC Off which just looses traction far too easily by overwhelming the MICHELIN Super Sports into a cloud of smoke.
Oh and the stearing just felt numb... again by comparison to Cecils :supz:

i disagree matt, m4 through the welsh mountain roads was quite and very grippy in the dry, felt nimble to me, much better than the E92

[mattCSLnut]

i disagree matt, m4 through the welsh mountain roads was quite and very grippy in the dry, felt nimble to me, much better than the E92

It would do Shimmy as you're comparing the M4 against a heavy E9X ... and I was comparing it against a lightweight & very nimble CSL :smt055 on a back to back test drive on East Anglia's bumpy 'B' roads ;)

[glendog74]

although im not sure where we would have put your white CSL :)


Next to Billy's white one (as it was) :whistle: