Schrick

[adem.csl]

Who would be best to advise me on schrick cams?
My cams may be gone and im not waiting on bmw so want to work out whats the best schrick combo!
I found a 12.5mm exhaust cam and 14mm inlet cam wondered how these will work?

[trackm3]

Who would be best to advise me on schrick cams?
My cams may be gone and im not waiting on bmw so want to work out whats the best schrick combo!
I found a 12.5mm exhaust cam and 14mm inlet cam wondered how these will work?

I would think that the 14mm lift will be tight on pistons clearance ? 280/288 12.5mm is the easiest option but you wont see much of a gain over the std CSL cams.

[adem.csl]

I would think that the 14mm lift will be tight on pistons clearance ? 280/288 12.5mm is the easiest option but you wont see much of a gain over the std CSL cams.

Morning Martin i don't necessary want the gain its more i don't want to wait 2 years for bmw to build me cams
So not in it for gains more the alternative to waiting indefinately.

[trackm3]

Morning Martin i don't necessary want the gain its more i don't want to wait 2 years for bmw to build me cams
So not in it for gains more the alternative to waiting indefinately.

Then 280/288 12.5mm lift and new Rockers £££!!! :bigcry:

[shimmy]

Morning Martin i don't necessary want the gain its more i don't want to wait 2 years for bmw to build me cams
So not in it for gains more the alternative to waiting indefinately.

id be tempted to park it at Elms and have a free drive of 430M for 2 years.

[billyboysm3]

.... I nearly posted my true thoughts on this matter

[phoenixcsl]

Adem,

I've got the Schrick 288/280 cams in my CSL, 12.5mm lift.

For pretty much the same reasons why you want them, BMW were quoting me over 9 months lead time at an estimate at the beginning of the year as I had issues with my standard cams, sounds to me like they are still making that batch which is absolutely mental.

I think for the 14mm cams, you'll need to change pistons, valve springs and retainers as well as the rocker arms.

When I had mine done, I spoke at great length with Simpsons about it, they said the 14mm lift cams were only good on a proper built race engine and not worth it on a road car unless you've lunched the motor.

If you want a ride in my car you're welcome to come down to Surrey fella.

In fact i've still got the Schrick tech doc with all the S54 cam options if you need it?

[0-60Motorsports]

288/280 with new or old WPC treated followers.

[lee]

I've been told bmw will have the cams by the end of the month

[cslsuperfan]

I've been told bmw will have the cams by the end of the month


Billy will be overjoyed:thumbs:

[adem.csl]

Adem,

I've got the Schrick 288/280 cams in my CSL, 12.5mm lift.

For pretty much the same reasons why you want them, BMW were quoting me over 9 months lead time at an estimate at the beginning of the year as I had issues with my standard cams, sounds to me like they are still making that batch which is absolutely mental.

I think for the 14mm cams, you'll need to change pistons, valve springs and retainers as well as the rocker arms.

When I had mine done, I spoke at great length with Simpsons about it, they said the 14mm lift cams were only good on a proper built race engine and not worth it on a road car unless you've lunched the motor.

If you want a ride in my car you're welcome to come down to Surrey fella.

In fact i've still got the Schrick tech doc with all the S54 cam options if you need it?

Thanks very much for your offer.ive been told that the 280/288 cams are the same profile as standard csl oem cams because schrick made the cams for bmw.

Did you notice any power torque difference once you had your schricks fitted?

[adem.csl]

I've been told bmw will have the cams by the end of the month

Billies been told HE will have cams by end of but that was a year ago.im not holding my breath on this and im definately not waiting for them

Are you also waiting for a set?

[adem.csl]

.... I nearly posted my true thoughts on this matter

Pm me your true thoughts please dude!

[lee]

Yes they have never given me a date until now so fingers crossed the cams are on way it's been over 18 months now

[billyboysm3]

For me this is the 6th date.

But they said the cams had passed testing now BMW uk said yesterday that they are still testing them?

I really hope it will be this month.

Did your local BMW dealer tell your or did BMW uk tell you they will be ready?

They still will not put it in writing or guarantee it.

[lee]

Just had a email from the dealer in the week but this is the 1st time I've had good news apart from "bmw don't have any cams they need to make some and don't know when it will be"

[shimmy]

prob best to get them around march if you could choose!

[adem.csl]

This is becoming a mine field no one actually knows anything solid.roy at ca is saying he's been waiting 5 months for cams from schrick and he should receive them January.he also said this which is bmw won't have cams cos schrick haven't made the cams and schrick make the csl cams for bmw.so if schrick won't supply bmw with cams they sure ain't bending over for tuning companies are they?
Ca also reckon that the 288/280 are a standard csl profile cam not an upgraded set?any truth?
Second query is that bmw said the company they commissioned to make the cams went bust hence no cams so they have got a new company to produce cams that aledgedly have been failing up till now.

My question is when i get to bmw and they tell me the cams are dead where do i go from there?schrick have no cams till jan.bmw have no cams at all in my opinion otherwise billy would have his lump by now.im stuck!

[alexk]

Shall we all order cams so as they finally produce them ?

I will order a set so as I have them in 2 years.

[billyboysm3]

Your basically screwed. But it if schrick are making them then hopefully you won't have a long wait. But least you get courtesy car over winter.

So maybe after a 16 month wait the car will be ready to drive in the snow.

[billyboysm3]

Shall we all order cams so as they finally produce them ?

I will order a set so as I have them in 2 years.

Yes we do need to. I'm going to order a set

[Marv968]

How much are they for a pair?

[adem.csl]

Your basically screwed. But it if schrick are making them then hopefully you won't have a long wait. But least you get courtesy car over winter.

So maybe after a 16 month wait the car will be ready to drive in the snow.

Could you imagine me waiting 16 months? I would hire a mini bus get a load of big Turks run to germany and lift that museum piece out and say you can have it when i get my cams!

[cslsuperfan]

Could you imagine me waiting 16 months? I would hire a mini bus get a load of big Turks run to germany and lift that museum piece out and say you can have it when i get my cams!

Adem

you mentioned earlier your cams might need replacing

What are the symptoms? other than the obvious knocking

Is there a subtle issue that is the beginning of a cam problem.

[_Nathan_]

I thought CSL cams were 272/280?

If someone wants to buy me some shrick cams I'll do a swap with my CSL ones :thumbs:

[Monkey]

Last time I got some CSL cams from Shrick they said they were in stock on ordering, then ended up waiting 4 months I think. Still quicker than BMW though!

[Neil M]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060778.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XCSL+Schri ck+cams&_nkw=CSL+Schrick+cams&_sacat=0

[adem.csl]

Adem

you mentioned earlier your cams might need replacing

What are the symptoms? other than the obvious knocking

Is there a subtle issue that is the beginning of a cam problem.

Ive developed an erratic idle that drops low enough to almost cut out but no it starts with a slight tick 3-5 times then clears.as it gets hot the ticking becomes more regular into a full on loud tap as if hitting 2 spoons together!

Don't forget this happened at 70k due to oil starvation top end so at 74k i know exactly whats about to happen so i nursed the car home by that time it was too late.this is what you get when you fit a worn cam to new rockers!poor show bmw thanks again!!

[adem.csl]

I thought CSL cams were 272/280?

If someone wants to buy me some shrick cams I'll do a swap with my CSL ones :thumbs:

You are correct.martin trackm3 has found valuable info that backs this up so the 280/288 are the upgrade and not stock csl profile.otherwise who would spend £2k with schrick for stock cams in a csl
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3855-schrick-camshaft-set-e46-m3-mz3-mz4-s54-280272-125mm-lift.aspx

[adem.csl]

Last time I got some CSL cams from Shrick they said they were in stock on ordering, then ended up waiting 4 months I think. Still quicker than BMW though!

Did you order direct from schrick?

[billyboysm3]

Omg my head is going to explode!!!!!!!!

So are we saying shrick make the cams for the Csl now as the previous supplier is no longer?

Is this inside info or is it as easy as ring up, ask for them, pay and get them before BMW can supply them?

[shimmy]

Omg my head is going to explode!!!!!!!!

So are we saying shrick make the cams for the Csl now as the previous supplier is no longer?

Is this inside info or is it as easy as ring up, ask for them, pay and get them before BMW can supply them?

schrick have always made them :banghead:

[adem.csl]

Omg my head is going to explode!!!!!!!!

So are we saying shrick make the cams for the Csl now as the previous supplier is no longer?

Is this inside info or is it as easy as ring up, ask for them, pay and get them before BMW can supply them?

Yeah schrick have always made them it appears you been fed bollox.i bet you they are too busy with this years f1 to fuck around for thousands for bmw!
http://www.schrick.com/?clang=1

[billyboysm3]

Ok so if shrick have always made them why has it taken them more than 18months to get some made for BMW.

If mine are not complete this month I am gojng legal.

[alexk]

Not enough customers have ordered to meet the minimum number for the production batch ?

I am going to order a set tomorrow.
Maybe I will help you get yours quicker.

[adem.csl]

Like i said while they are making millions of pounds worth of engines and alms units for the f1 teams the little man ain't getting shit!!same with ap when they have a season on its a nitemare gettin kits lol

[billyboysm3]

Can anyone with any inside info find out how many need to be ordered.

[shimmy]

Can anyone with any inside info find out how many need to be ordered.

worldwide?

[adem.csl]

Divine intervention needed here!!!
2 weeks the f1 season ends you will see cams by Xmas for sure!!

[_Nathan_]

It's doubt it had got nothing to do with F1, they'll be mentally busy on next years cars / test parts already. Honda have been building next year's engine for years as an example.

Interesting thought - if the warranty claim cost includes courtesy cars and the warranty only covers up to purchase price then it can't be far from the warranty claim value limit being exceeded? As far as I can work out, Bmw don't have any obligation to provide parts anyway now the cars are so old? What happens? Can they (not will they, this is just hypothetical) just turn round and say claim limit exceeded, you're on your own?

[adem.csl]

Im sure they have to produce parts for 25 years.exception to out sourced parts from companies that have gone busy or quit manufacture!

[_Nathan_]

Im sure they have to produce parts for 25 years.exception to out sourced parts from companies that have gone busy or quit manufacture!

I thought it was 10 years in the uk, God knows where I got it from though so happy to be wrong!

[Monkey]

Did you order direct from schrick?


Yes mate.

[adem.csl]

I thought it was 10 years in the uk, God knows where I got it from though so happy to be wrong!

My brother works at ford and he tells me they have to produce parts for 25 years!not sure as the Germans

[alexk]

I know its 10 years for BMW.

[shimmy]

why dont we place orders for them (20 of us) and then cancel when they turn up?

OR Billy, you ring 20 stealers and order 20 sets.

[_Nathan_]

BMW must regret the csl massively, it must be a huge and expensive pain in the arse to them.

Expect warranty availability to be removed soon!

[shimmy]

BMW must regret the csl massively, it must be a huge and expensive pain in the arse to them.

Expect warranty availability to be removed soon!

i doubt they will remove warranty, as the deal will be done with the Mndial/axa insurers so its costing them nothing between deals i guess, just wrapped up in the whole warranty issue.

[billyboysm3]

why dont we place orders for them (20 of us) and then cancel when they turn up?

OR Billy, you ring 20 stealers and order 20 sets.

I bet they wont process the order without payment.

Billy

[alexk]

I am ordering mine today :)

[alexk]

It would be funny if I get them before Billy...

[shimmy]

It would be funny if I get them before Billy...

tbh i would have a good laugh :thumbs:

[billyboysm3]

It would be bloody funny!!!!

I have just rang BMW Parts and BMW UK to make sure this doesn't happen.

Let me know if you get a ETA.

[billyboysm3]

Alex have they arrived yet?

[shimmy]

Alex have they arrived yet?

Just burst out laughing aloud whilst queueing in an EE store :)

[billyboysm3]

Imagine, Alex rings up, orders.

Gets one of our sets shipped to him next day :((((

[trackm3]

Schrick Quoted me end of January on a 280/288 set

[NZ_M3]

This might sound a little crazy, but from what I've seen of the thread in the US with guys converting their cars into full CSL engine management, airbox, MAP sensors ect ... you don't actually need the CSL cams to make CSL power - in fact with a good tune I've seen the standard M3 cams make more power than the CSL.

There's enough adjustment in the Vanos to take into account of slightly less duration of the standard M3 cams, you are simply moving the torque curve that's all ... overall power it'll still be the same as the lifts in both cams are the same (in fact I actually believe the M3 cams are ever so slightly higher than the CSL in lift when measured).

[shimmy]

This might sound a little crazy, but from what I've seen of the thread in the US with guys converting their cars into full CSL engine management, airbox, MAP sensors ect ... you don't actually need the CSL cams to make CSL power - in fact with a good tune I've seen the standard M3 cams make more power than the CSL.

There's enough adjustment in the Vanos to take into account of slightly less duration of the standard M3 cams, you are simply moving the torque curve that's all ... overall power it'll still be the same as the lifts in both cams are the same (in fact I actually believe the M3 cams are ever so slightly higher than the CSL in lift when measured).

is this the only difference CSL/M3 S54 base lump Tom or is there something else?

[NZ_M3]

is this the only difference CSL/M3 S54 base lump Tom or is there something else?

CSL cams are hollow - so I guess there's that ... Exhaust valves are different also - the exhaust valves are basically identical to the P54 motorsport engine valves (designs are basically exactly the same, I believe the material used is slightly different however)

But if it's the power you are concerned about I'd just put the stock M3 cams in for the time being whilst you wait for the CSL cams to come from Germany if it ever does!!

[Chappers]

This is probably not going to come across well but I still can't understand this way of thinking of waiting such a horrendously long time for BMW to fix it. Yes you're getting nice new cars in the mean time but as above, there's got to be a way to put the car back together and drive it! I guess lots of people have other toys to play with and use the cars differently, hence the big variations in mileage between members.

I guess also the big problem everyone is worried about is losing providence, the more standard M3 bits you add the worse it gets. You may not ever notice the difference, but I suppose it's still losing that little bit of specialness each time you don't put a genuine CSL bit back on.

[terraphantm]

CSL cams are hollow - so I guess there's that ... Exhaust valves are different also - the exhaust valves are basically identical to the P54 motorsport engine valves (designs are basically exactly the same, I believe the material used is slightly different however)

But if it's the power you are concerned about I'd just put the stock M3 cams in for the time being whilst you wait for the CSL cams to come from Germany if it ever does!!

Non-CSL cams are also hollow (source (http://www.billswebspace.com/MS54B32TrainingModule.pdf) - page 13)

[outnumbered]

This is probably not going to come across well but I still can't understand this way of thinking of waiting such a horrendously long time for BMW to fix it. Yes you're getting nice new cars in the mean time but as above, there's got to be a way to put the car back together and drive it! I guess lots of people have other toys to play with and use the cars differently, hence the big variations in mileage between members.

I guess also the big problem everyone is worried about is losing providence, the more standard M3 bits you add the worse it gets. You may not ever notice the difference, but I suppose it's still losing that little bit of specialness each time you don't put a genuine CSL bit back on.

I don't think Billy's too happy about 18 months in a hire car though...

Another question is whether you could even get BMW to fit a non-CSL camshaft under warranty. I think many dealers would just say "can't get the relevant CSL part, so can't do it". They'd be too worried about the standard M3 part being subtly different and trashing the engine at their expense...

[billyboysm3]

I hope this gets resolved soon otherwise Ill end up selling the CSL and track car for some Pork or AMG!

Then 6 months after that Ill regret it. Just need to drive her.

I literally cannot clean her anymore.

[Pooky]

I'd be surprised if Schrick were/are the nominated manufacture for S54 camshafts given the volumes involved. Would it make financial sense? Plenty of camshaft manufacturers out there and Schrick specialism isn't required for a large production run. What certainty is there around this information?

Dealer information to me is that the CSL camshaft supplier has changed after stock had ran down. The wait is for new camshafts to be approved from the new supplier as OK to fit, and that first batch failed testing.

As part of OEM engineering and industry this is believable to me as the testing and re-sourcing time frame is always long and drawn out.

We can all speculate as to who was/is the supplier and the reason for the change.

[terraphantm]

You are correct.martin trackm3 has found valuable info that backs this up so the 280/288 are the upgrade and not stock csl profile.otherwise who would spend £2k with schrick for stock cams in a csl
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3855-schrick-camshaft-set-e46-m3-mz3-mz4-s54-280272-125mm-lift.aspx

Just for the record, the CSL cams are 268º Intake and 264º Exhaust; lift is unknown - likely the same as the stock M3 cams (12mm). In theory, even the 280/272 Schricks would be an upgrade

[billyboysm3]

And the next batch are due for testing at the end of November.

[alexk]

How do they test them ?

[_Nathan_]

How do they test them ?

Put them in a limited edition car sell to customers for a varied test cycle.

[shawn 968cs]

I hope this gets resolved soon otherwise Ill end up selling the CSL and track car for some Pork or AMG!

Then 6 months after that Ill regret it. Just need to drive her.

I literally cannot clean her anymore.

After reading this thread I feel lucky about my recent experiences, Its a bit worrying the way BMW feels like its going to me, I had to wait over 6 months for some trim on my CSL, no idea of delivery from BMW after chasing each month:banghead:, then it just turned up out of the blue.
I had problems with brakes sticking on my week old M3 F80:banghead:, and had to push hard to get my money back, + no follow up from BMW UK and when I spoke to them basically couldn't give a Sh@~.
My wife's X5 has bad corrosion on the wheels which is covered by warranty and they have been on order for over 3 months and again BMW have no idea when they will turn up:banghead:. Which is a pain as want to change it soon.
They are certainly leaving the door wide open for avid BMW fans to go to Merc' AMG's, certainly feels like BMW don't care to me.
Very sad state of affairs, I never thought I would say it , but seriously starting to think about test driving a AMG merc's now.
Rant over.
Shawn

[trackm3]

I left the BMW network after 15 years for this reason, I remember there patter years ago telling us all they wanted to be in the same league as Rolex, M&S, John Lewis and Rolls Royce for customer service, they have clearly forgotten about these days !!!! It was bad when I got out in 2005 now you will get better service in a Ford main dealer.


QUOTE=shawn 968cs;175917]After reading this thread I feel lucky about my recent experiences, Its a bit worrying the way BMW feels like its going to me, I had to wait over 6 months for some trim on my CSL, no idea of delivery from BMW after chasing each month:banghead:, then it just turned up out of the blue.
I had problems with brakes sticking on my week old M3 F80:banghead:, and had to push hard to get my money back, + no follow up from BMW UK and when I spoke to them basically couldn't give a Sh@~.
My wife's X5 has bad corrosion on the wheels which is covered by warranty and they have been on order for over 3 months and again BMW have no idea when they will turn up:banghead:. Which is a pain as want to change it soon.
They are certainly leaving the door wide open for avid BMW fans to go to Merc' AMG's, certainly feels like BMW don't care to me.
Very sad state of affairs, I never thought I would say it , but seriously starting to think about test driving a AMG merc's now.
Rant over.
Shawn[/QUOTE]

[adem.csl]

And the next batch are due for testing at the end of November.

Just for the record, the CSL cams are 268º Intake and 264º Exhaust; lift is unknown - likely the same as the stock M3 cams (12mm). In theory, even the 280/272 Schricks would be an upgrade

Lol ain't that my pic from another web site?i recognise my finger anywhere!!
Lol
10952

[adem.csl]

I'd be surprised if Schrick were/are the nominated manufacture for S54 camshafts given the volumes involved. Would it make financial sense? Plenty of camshaft manufacturers out there and Schrick specialism isn't required for a large production run. What certainty is there around this information?

Dealer information to me is that the CSL camshaft supplier has changed after stock had ran down. The wait is for new camshafts to be approved from the new supplier as OK to fit, and that first batch failed testing.

As part of OEM engineering and industry this is believable to me as the testing and re-sourcing time frame is always long and drawn out.

We can all speculate as to who was/is the supplier and the reason for the change.


Schrick confirmed they produce the cams for bmw.ca international and i think Martin (trackm3) also asked schrick

[terraphantm]

Lol ain't that my pic from another web site?i recognise my finger anywhere!!
Lol
10952
Haha I knew that picture was from someone here. Just didn't mnow who took the originals.

Nevertheless, just wanted to point out they're not the same as the 288/280s

[alexk]

BMW customer service is the best.

I have to drive to Greece to my brother who is also a BMW dealer to do a geometry alignment.
I cannot do it in CH :)

I should probably not start about the M5...

[billyboysm3]

I reckon I am Jinxed!!!!!

Alex you got those Cams yet!!!!

[billyboysm3]

So, picked up new M3 yesterday for a week, 500 miles on the clock, drive to costa, 1 mile up the road and puncture.

Then my M3 Experience at Bedford today cancelled due to rain.

Think I need to sell up!

[Trawler]

So, picked up new M3 yesterday for a week, 500 miles on the clock, drive to costa, 1 mile up the road and puncture.

Then my M3 Experience at Bedford today cancelled due to rain.

Think I need to sell up!

It can only go up from here. Keep your chin up & stiff upper lip old boy.

[Neil M]

BMW customer service is the best.

BMW customer service, is good for; Sales and Service but as regards the provision of parts it's almost nonexistent.
It's becoming the norm when have I been in for parts to be told they are not in stock, boot badge, grill badge, nothing too tasking but never the less, not in stock.

This isn't instant experience either, usually taking about a 30min wait to get served, plenty of personnel milling about with papers in hand but nobody actually servicing the counter.

My dad tells me it wasn't like that in his day. :whistle:

[adem.csl]

Elms have just informed me my cams indeed are dead.park mine next to billies and wait to see who's next in line!!

Cheers elms!bet these cams were dead last time i had the top built!!!

[billyboysm3]

Elms have just informed me my cams indeed are dead.park mine next to billies and wait to see who's next in line!!

Cheers elms!bet these cams were dead last time i had the top built!!!

Ouch, lets fit front splitter and bonnet, pads to M3 track slag and do some days in December!!!

[mattCSLnut]

Elms have just informed me my cams indeed are dead.park mine next to billies and wait to see who's next in line!!

Cheers elms!bet these cams were dead last time i had the top built!!!

Sorry to hear that mate :( any alternative action plans to avoid 18 month + waiting time ?

[Graham]

Snett 6th December with javelin, get involved Billy

[MCSL]

What would happen if you put standard M3 cams in the CSL whilst you wait for the CSL cams to be made?

[billyboysm3]

Snett 6th December with javelin, get involved Billy

Tempted, not done a dry UK track day this year so don't want to ruin it for you all.

[shimmy]

What would happen if you put standard M3 cams in the CSL whilst you wait for the CSL cams to be made?

GOD would be angry :)

[MCSL]

GOD would be angry :)


Nah, he probably wouldn't know - he's too busy going round collecting all them 'M' badges that BMW accidentally stuck on the back of them little 135i's :whistle:

[shimmy]

Nah, he probably wouldn't know - he's too busy going round collecting all them 'M' badges that BMW accidentally stuck on the back of them little 135i's :whistle:

He's already taken mine :)

[Chappers]

What would happen if you put standard M3 cams in the CSL whilst you wait for the CSL cams to be made?

Everyone would scream "HEATHEN, THOU WILST DEVALUE THY BADGE LEST YE REPENT THY CAMSINS" and the world would explode.

[billyboysm3]

I reckon E46 Engine with Shrick Cams and followers would make nearly the same power as a CSL anyway and last longer.

[MCSL]

Everyone would scream "HEATHEN, THOU WILST DEVALUE THY BADGE LEST YE REPENT THY CAMSINS" and the world would explode.


:hahaha:

[terraphantm]

So what's actually happening to all your cams? Are they pitting or something? Seems odd to have so many failures on such a small production run of cars

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Elms have just informed me my cams indeed are dead.park mine next to billies and wait to see who's next in line!!

Cheers elms!bet these cams were dead last time i had the top built!!!

You must be able to find a way round waiting for Elms, if things are getting that bad I might give up having mine on warranty.

[alexk]

I reckon E46 Engine with Shrick Cams and followers would make nearly the same power as a CSL anyway and last longer.

Urban myth Billy. Not true.

[adem.csl]

I would post the link but im not sure people would understand

The cams and the followers come with a hardened layer to protect against wear!
My original oil pump lost pressure and stopped supplying the correct amount of oil to the cams and followers subsequently wearing the hardened layer off of the followers and flattening them!with new followers in the cam should really have been changed aswell.so the product of worn cams is the hardened surface on the followers has worn whats left of the surface of the cams!now the cams no longer hardened start to attack the new followers resulting in everything bent fucked in 5000 miles of moderate diving!!

I have a contingency plan but thats not happening till January
Oh well it should have been spotted in the first place my impression is they were fitted fingers crossed hoping they wouldn't go wrong as bmw don't want 6+ cars sitting outside waiting on cams!!!what do they say about best laid plans???

FUCK UP!!!!

[s1csl]

Sorry to hear that mate :( any alternative action plans to avoid 18 month + waiting time ?

Court action then a small claims court for costs

[mattCSLnut]

Court action then a small claims court for costs
That's one costly way I suppose ;) although a group Court action might have more Oomph, even if it's only a couple of owners with identical problems and following dilemma.
I'm in awe of Billy's patience :thumbs:

[Graham]

Urban myth Billy. Not true.

I have Schrick Cams, Geoff Steel Racing Airbox and I make 353. Not that far off!

[plumber vic]

I have Schrick Cams, Geoff Steel Racing Airbox and I make 353. Not that far off!

Have you got nothing better to do than bang on about your 353 bhp
what about my rubbish :birdman::birdman:

[AlexGTT]

I would post the link but im not sure people would understand

The cams and the followers come with a hardened layer to protect against wear!
My original oil pump lost pressure and stopped supplying the correct amount of oil to the cams and followers subsequently wearing the hardened layer off of the followers and flattening them!with new followers in the cam should really have been changed aswell.so the product of worn cams is the hardened surface on the followers has worn whats left of the surface of the cams!now the cams no longer hardened start to attack the new followers resulting in everything bent fucked in 5000 miles of moderate diving!!

I have a contingency plan but thats not happening till January
Oh well it should have been spotted in the first place my impression is they were fitted fingers crossed hoping they wouldn't go wrong as bmw don't want 6+ cars sitting outside waiting on cams!!!what do they say about best laid plans???

FUCK UP!!!!

Not good at all. I would never change followers without a new cam on any engine.

[J2LTB]

Is gettin the cams re profiled an option ?

[billyboysm3]

Lee, need to know if miracles do happen, are the cams ready?

[azrael]

Not good at all. I would never change followers without a new cam on any engine.

Its what they did on mine. Absoltue waste, it had to go back & be done again, that time fully.

[alexk]

I received my cams....

[billyboysm3]

I received my cams....

No way!!!!!! From BMW?

[billyboysm3]

Actually I want to see "Custard" Dr Pepper and a tin of beans

[adem.csl]

Its what they did on mine. Absoltue waste, it had to go back & be done again, that time fully.

Ditto
Silly fuckers want to claim on MY warranty!jog on its their fuck up their warranty!

[alexk]

No way!!!!!! From BMW?

Only kidding Billy :thumbs:

[billyboysm3]

How are you lot getting on, picking my car up today!!!

[CraigMillwardCroft]

How are you lot getting on, picking my car up today!!!

Which one another loaner or has yours finally got an engine :thumbs:

[billyboysm3]

Loan cars getting changed any day now.

[billyboysm3]

Do you think my CSL is ready?

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Do you think my CSL is ready?

Its not funny any more, you must have had every excuse available given to you, I have cancelled my warranty as there seems little point in having it if the car cannot be fixed quickly. Its all down to Adem if it goes wrong :thumbs:

[lee]

I've called BMW this week still no cams and they don't have any clue when they will have them now

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Do you think my CSL is ready?

So what is the next due time of your engine :whistle:

[adem.csl]

So what is the next due time of your engine :whistle:

When he gives in and realises only when i build one will that car see road again
Much the same for me!ive ordered all the parts getting solicitor to sort it all then off to small claims court seeing they never repaired it properly ok the first place!!

[billyboysm3]

Week starting the 15th December, then 7 days for delivery, then Christmas, then new year.

Then they will forget to ship, before you know it middle of Jan.

[s1csl]

Oh that's nice of BMW, you could have it for the xmas holidays, get it booked in for the oil change mid January ;)

[billyboysm3]

Jan 2017

[mattCSLnut]

Jan 2017
That sounds quite optimistic Billy ;)

[lee]

Two years next March

[shimmy]

:supz:Two years next March

OMG

[Monkey]

We've got a black CSL at Chandlers waiting for an engine. Been there for over a year I believe, still no sign.....

At least it's going up in value whilst it's sat there!

[shimmy]

We've got a black CSL at Chandlers waiting for an engine. Been there for over a year I believe, still no sign.....

At least it's going up in value whilst it's sat there!

surely there is a case for a warranty refudn for the period you had no CSL

[Monkey]

surely there is a case for a warranty refudn for the period you had no CSL


That's certainly a conversation I would be having with BMW.

[billyboysm3]

Two years next March

SHIT!!!

[billyboysm3]

We've got a black CSL at Chandlers waiting for an engine. Been there for over a year I believe, still no sign.....

At least it's going up in value whilst it's sat there!

So two people that we know of waiting for a engine.

What also happens if the CSL has sat outside for 18 months, all window rubbers rotten and generally been left to rot, bushes knackered, probably SMG pump knackered.

[billyboysm3]

Ive had about 6-8 dates for job completion, none have been met.

Next date is this month.

Lee can you PM me your mobile number and anyone else waiting on Camshafts.

[73CSL]

assuming no warranty ... these cars needing new engines, what would the £ damage have been for a good independant to rebuild to better than new ?

Are we at the point now where the warranty is becoming irrelevant / useless ?

[mattCSLnut]

assuming no warranty ... these cars needing new engines, what would the £ damage have been for a good independant to rebuild to better than new ?

Are we at the point now where the warranty is becoming irrelevant / useless ?
Pretty much :( ... although some of us were at that point 18 months ago :banghead: It was good while it lasted.

[Monkey]

assuming no warranty ... these cars needing new engines, what would the £ damage have been for a good independant to rebuild to better than new ?

Are we at the point now where the warranty is becoming irrelevant / useless ?

Depends on how much of the engine you are rebuilding. Parts availablity will still be an issue it would seem, so that obstacle would still be there. Seems mostly top end issues with the S54, and a few big end failures (probably caused by the top end issues).

Real shame these issues are cropping up on a truly iconic BMW.

[73CSL]

are there any parts that specifically have to come from BMW ? Can aftermarket replace many items. I know with Porsche rebuilds ( aircooled) , most can be bought aftermarket , or parts from other cars modded to fit ( cyl heads etc )

Interested as these things start to become more of an issue as the cars get older. Surely a lot of the mech items on a CSL are shared with the standard M3 and those that arn't can be got aftermarket ? ( ref to the oily bits )

[s.mac]

It's only people with warranty that are struggling. Those without always get them fixed ok

[cslsuperfan]

assuming no warranty ... these cars needing new engines, what would the £ damage have been for a good independant to rebuild to better than new ?

Are we at the point now where the warranty is becoming irrelevant / useless ?



Bottom end let go circa 10K, reliably sourced.

[adem.csl]

I smell a petition coming on:
Name:
Reg no:
Fault:
Time waited for repair:
Im gonna submit it to bmw uk on behalf of all csl owners that have been left with no engines or cams.

[73CSL]

Bottom end let go circa 10K, reliably sourced.

steep, but probo not that far off a GT3 motor letting go

[alexk]

You get the engines for free hence the delay :)

[cslsuperfan]

I spot a money spinner;)

Selling your stock cams to the needy

Buying shrick replacements and stocking the beer fridge for Xmas!!! with the profits.:smokin:

[0-60Motorsports]

Did a full rebuild on a CSL last month with wiseco pistons and rods etc etc. Runs like OEM. Stock Compression.

[LeinsCSL]

I spot a money spinner;)

Selling your stock cams to the needy

Buying shrick replacements and stocking the beer fridge for Xmas!!! with the profits.:smokin:

New cams and cans - like it! :beer:

[outnumbered]

This is probably misinformation, but my car was in the local indy getting an MOT this morning, and I was telling them about the camshaft sagas some of you have had.

Out of interest they rang the BMW dealer who supplies their parts (I think Ridgeway in Hook), who claimed that CSL camshafts were available for delivery tomorrow. Don't know if this is a real change in availability, or whether if they'd tried to order them they'd have found themselves in the backorder queue along with Billy and others... but thought I'd mention it in case.

[billyboysm3]

They are indeed.

I think myself and pooky have had the call.

But I am not going to brag till I have seen them with my own eyes,

[outnumbered]

They are indeed.

I think myself and pooky have had the call.

But I am not going to brag till I have seen them with my own eyes,

Fingers crossed for you...

[Trawler]

They are indeed.

I think myself and pooky have had the call.

But I am not going to brag till I have seen them with my own eyes,

Let's hope it's true & father Xmas is coming early.

[J2LTB]

If the camshaft debarkle is solved what will the forum talk about 😂

Back to Smg !

[billyboysm3]

If the camshaft debarkle is solved what will the forum talk about 😂

Back to Smg !

Its not over yet.

[azrael]

Some good news at least :tu

[Bounce]

Fingers crossed for you Billy ;)