SMG Softare Update

[Heisenburg]

Got this done at BMW last week, who also updated the engine software while they were at it.

Just wondering if these two updates go hand-in-hand, and if the engine update is likely to affect any existing remapping to the car?

Cheers

Paddy

[Clubber]

Is this a new update that came out or the last one and you just updated it ?

[Heisenburg]

Is this a new update that came out or the last one and you just updated it ?

Just the last one.

[adem.csl]

If bmw do gearbox and engine ecu together it will wipe any remap you have had!evolve will reinstall their map free of charge but not sure on other tuners!!

I had update 9 this year and only got Gearbox Software update on its own by Gareth at bartletts as i don't have the software!!

Its very agressive and very quick once updated s5 is now s3 and the new s5 is even quicker gearchange and the down shift blip rev range has changed making a more agressive blip when changing down gear!!

[Heisenburg]

Cheers Adam...thought as much.

My limiter was also previously removed...do you know if this is likely to be affected also?

[Trawler]

Maybe a silly question, but why are BMW updating the software on a ten year old car? Is the software update for the E46 M3 in general, or just for the csl?

Reluctant to update as I'm happy with mine on road/track and especially when parking as I have only inches to play with. It's like parking in between two cars with another one parked close on the other side of the road.

[digi]

is it called version 9? I'm not sure which version I'm running, but if there is a new one GREAT!:thumbs:

[adem.csl]

is it called version 9? I'm not sure which version I'm running, but if there is a new one GREAT!:thumbs:

I don't know if its called version 9'but its the 9th outta a maximum 14 darren at bartletts told me.

Im extremely happy with mine


Not sure but bmw may have reset your limiter heisenburg?you will have to try it!

[Rutkowski]

Maybe a silly question, but why are BMW updating the software on a ten year old car? Is the software update for the E46 M3 in general, or just for the csl?

Reluctant to update as I'm happy with mine on road/track and especially when parking as I have only inches to play with. It's like parking in between two cars with another one parked close on the other side of the road.

if it is a better software, why not? this is a difference between BMW and i.e a Ford company... I'm glad that I have the SMG M3

[Khantouch]

Got this done at BMW last week, who also updated the engine software while they were at it.

Just wondering if these two updates go hand-in-hand, and if the engine update is likely to affect any existing remapping to the car?

Cheers

Paddy

Is there any charge for the update or is it completed routine whilst in for work?

[digi]

sounds good to me. Version 9 it is even if they charge me. :thumbs:

[adem.csl]

Bartlett charge £50 for the update people.

[Neil M]

Is there any charge for the update or is it completed routine whilst in for work?

There is a charge for the SMG update, £50 seems to be the going rate (quoted by my local dealer).
It isn't done as a matter of course, you'll need to ask them specifically for the update. ;)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Bartlett charge £50 for the update people.

When are you going to be able to do it :thumbs:

[adem.csl]

When are you going to be able to do it :thumbs:

When i get £3k for autologic software.if i had the customer base to justify it i would buy it now!

[shimmy]

When i get £3k for autologic software.if i had the customer base to justify it i would buy it now!

cant you do it with an iphone 6 and a bljuetooth lead

[adem.csl]

cant you do it with an iphone 6 and a bljuetooth lead

What?an smg update using a phone and a lead??
I don't know how much info it will exchange before it crashes or even if iPhone has capacity to hold that much info

[NZ_M3]

What a load of rubbish .. there's only been 5 software versions (current 7843255) ... and I've tested this latest one versus two generations before 7836386 (which is currently in my car) and it is a softer shifting software. Smoother shift definitely, but less aggressive by a country mile.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/smgsoftware_zpsc90df9f1.jpg

Also you can do this quite easily on your own if you have the right cable and software via winkfp ... it takes like 8 minutes to do. If you are worried with screwing something up just buy a second hand SMG module and flash the CSL Software ZB onto it with your vin .. easy peasy. They are exactly the same hardware wise, just run different software.

[s.mac]

I thought it made it less harsh, less strain to the components

[shimmy]

I thought it made it less harsh, less strain to the components

Simpsons have always said that ever SMG upgrade has been slower and softer (presumably to avoid trouble with gearbox and warranty

[billyboysm3]

Not sure what you lot are moaning about, my gear changes are so smooth you cant even tell its chnaged gear.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Not sure what you lot are moaning about, my gear changes are so smooth you cant even tell its chnaged gear.

Is that because your CSL has not moved for the last year :whistle:

[Clubber]

Just had the ECU and SMG update. It turns out my car have never had one :( ECU was 2003 and SMG were 2004 factory programs.
Didn't have time to push for redline shifts but overall SMG adjustments seems sportier. Early downshifts even on auto mode. So far so good.

[NZ_M3]

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/IMAG3728_zpsjfofcsya.jpg~original

[terraphantm]

What a load of rubbish .. there's only been 5 software versions (current 7843255) ... and I've tested this latest one versus two generations before 7836386 (which is currently in my car) and it is a softer shifting software. Smoother shift definitely, but less aggressive by a country mile.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/smgsoftware_zpsc90df9f1.jpg

Also you can do this quite easily on your own if you have the right cable and software via winkfp ... it takes like 8 minutes to do. If you are worried with screwing something up just buy a second hand SMG module and flash the CSL Software ZB onto it with your vin .. easy peasy. They are exactly the same hardware wise, just run different software.

If you ever wanted to downgrade, looks like old versions of DIS have old SMG software. V39 seems to have 7836386. I can't figure out how to put the files back together though, so you'd probably have to flash with DIS itself

[NZ_M3]

If you ever wanted to downgrade, looks like old versions of DIS have old SMG software. V39 seems to have 7836386. I can't figure out how to put the files back together though, so you'd probably have to flash with DIS itself

I've done it before on a Footwell module for a Mini - downgraded newer software back to older version from v32 SSS but I can't quite remember how I did it now ... but it wasn't hard from memory.

[adem.csl]

[QUOTE=NZ_M3;175348]What a load of rubbish .. there's only been 5 software versions (current 7843255) ... and I've tested this latest one versus two generations before 7836386 (which is currently in my car) and it is a softer shifting software. Smoother shift definitely, but less aggressive by a country mile.



Whats a load of rubbish mate?as far as my own personal csl ive owned for 5 years goes.i had my software updated to whatever the latest release was.now i was told it was the 9th update so far and was done with an autologic tool.the company that did mine is very reputable and the tech is a personal friend of mine so i see no reason they would lie about the update number.now that particular day the machine had an update done in the morning so i got the software that came out that day!


As for what it did anyone on here can drive my car against theirs(non updated)and tell me its the same if not softer!

Mine is super aggressive the s3 gearchange is almost like s5 and s5 is a whole new level also the down shift has been made more aggressive it blips higher up the rev range.i cant speak for anyone else but i noticed the difference on mine cos i had only the fourth update on mine so it was 5 updates out!!as i was told

Its only £50 someone try it for yourself and report back im happy and billy drives my car regular and he noticed the difference without saying!!

[NZ_M3]

What a load of rubbish .. there's only been 5 software versions (current 7843255) ... and I've tested this latest one versus two generations before 7836386 (which is currently in my car) and it is a softer shifting software. Smoother shift definitely, but less aggressive by a country mile.



Whats a load of rubbish mate?as far as my own personal csl ive owned for 5 years goes.i had my software updated to whatever the latest release was.now i was told it was the 9th update so far and was done with an autologic tool.the company that did mine is very reputable and the tech is a personal friend of mine so i see no reason they would lie about the update number.now that particular day the machine had an update done in the morning so i got the software that came out that day!


As for what it did anyone on here can drive my car against theirs(non updated)and tell me its the same if not softer!

Mine is super aggressive the s3 gearchange is almost like s5 and s5 is a whole new level also the down shift has been made more aggressive it blips higher up the rev range.i cant speak for anyone else but i noticed the difference on mine cos i had only the fourth update on mine so it was 5 updates out!!as i was told

Its only £50 someone try it for yourself and report back im happy and billy drives my car regular and he noticed the difference without saying!!

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/STDSMG_zpse471b310.jpg

I stand by my statement above that it's a load of rubbish because you've just turned your CSL SMG software into a standard M3 SMG software if their 9 versions are from any of the ZB numbers above. That's the screenshot from the STOCK STANDARD M3 SMG software ZB number and supersessions - you are right .. there's been 9 versions of those.

Money not well spent sorry if that is the case - If you want it corrected to the latest version ask Alex (Karbonkid) to hook up the latest diagnostic laptop I just made for him and I can remotely update your SMG module back to the correct software version using BMW Factory tools for nothing.

If you want to check the software version, open INPA and look at the Code screen with F3 and if your "Assembly Number" is from any of the 9 above, then congrats, you've just downgraded your SMG to a standard M3 - you don't have to believe me, just log on realoem.com and check the part numbers from the screenshot above..

[adem.csl]

If you look on your pic that last update was 31/07/2009 i have stated clearly the update i got had only been released that mornin(so i was told)my update was done 27/06/2014.Gives a fuck mate im happy with whatever shit ive got £50 well spent it is better then before thats all i care for


Cheers!!

[adem.csl]

Oh shit ive got the codes so i will post them you can then work out yourself what i have and if its shit!
10911

[adem.csl]

[QUOTE=NZ_M3;175348]What a load of rubbish .. there's only been 5 software versions (current 7843255) ...

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/smgsoftware_zpsc90df9f1.jpg



Ok fair enough i see it now the latest code!that is cos ive only just found the paperwork so i apologise and i now agree it is the 5th update!
I did state that i WAS TOLD i never said i could prove it.but i found the paperwork and its correct so APOLOGIES misinformed to my knowledge



However i still believe this update is better by far then the last one i had.
So thank you for clearing it up and i still stand by the quality of the company that did the update

Thank you im happy with mine!

[adem.csl]

Ok an update.i ve spoken with the company that installed my update and i misunderstood what i was told so here goes:ive had 9 updates of a maximum of 14 before the ecu needs replacing.the 9 updates are not 9 different updates but possibly the same updates done once or twice before hence i understood i had 9 updates so apologies for misleading anyone i genuinely misunderstood what i was told.

So as the tech and nzm3 say there are indeed 5 updates for the csl

Hope that clears it up for everyone

Also autologic have quoted me £10k for their software so im gonna redirect people wanting updates to bartletts.damien offers super service and great prices

Thanks

[trackm3]

ETA Motorsport near Brands Hatch have Autologic so if you need anyone in the South East ?

[_Nathan_]

The later software slows the change down and smooths it out, I think I ran the original version when I raced with SMG, I certainly flashed it backwards to make the shift more aggressive.

I'd go with NZ if he states revision 3 was the peak.

[NZ_M3]

All of our cars came out from the factory with 2 flashes of the software ... an original and a delivery software ... then there was a BMW actioned update, so most of these modules should have at least 3 flashes taken up already.

My post was originally to make sure that you weren't getting duped by companies that offer these upgrades - not intended to offend! Apologies if it came across that way.

I am still searching for that very first software version that all our cars came with but was over-written by the factory when the cars were delivered - it has a part number that isn't shown on any BMW's system, so I presume it was a prototype software.

As for software versions and what they do - my feel (and having tested a few of them out in my own car over a period of time) is that with each version it has gotten softer and smoother but also with less clutch slurring.

I still currently have the latest software in the car in the spare SMG module and I must say I have grown to like this version a lot more now as it certainly seems to provide much more mechanical sympathy to the components during shifts of varying speeds and throttle application.

My thoughts - most likely a worthy update if you want longevity and less clutch slurring, but maybe not so if you long for that bang away super fast gear changes and feel like you are a F1 super star.

[adem.csl]

Glad we are all cleared up guys everyone has an opinion on which version they prefer
Because nz-m3 has tried all the updates he probably has the best idea on which he believes is best but we all drive different and have different preferences

Thank you nz-m3 dude you have been there done that and i respect your opinion

[digi]

dame, now I'm up in arms which to get or not. :birdman::finga::hahaha:

Can any BMW specialist do this as I don't want to take it back to BMW here. What equipment do they need for me to check the current update and to reflash to any of the 5 versions. :beer:

Much harder than reflashing my GTR with the idiot proof COBBS. :hahaha:

[terraphantm]

I am still searching for that very first software version that all our cars came with but was over-written by the factory when the cars were delivered - it has a part number that isn't shown on any BMW's system, so I presume it was a prototype software.

There are two HW versions listed in the daten files for which there are no 0PAs included -- 7834326A and 7834530A... does the part number you have seem close to either? Could possibly be hidden away in some really old DIS versions. We do have prototype MSS52 software afterall

FWIW - the one dump I have from a real CSL (no idea whose it is) only has 1 flash recorded

[NZ_M3]

There are two HW versions listed in the daten files for which there are no 0PAs included -- 7834326A and 7834530A... does the part number you have seem close to either? Could possibly be hidden away in some really old DIS versions. We do have prototype MSS52 software afterall

FWIW - the one dump I have from a real CSL (no idea whose it is) only has 1 flash recorded

All the DMEs have 1 flash ... One of the prototype CSLs ended up in New Zealand as it was destined to be a BMW Driver Training ride car before it was crashed - that car had the prototype tune - I honestly can't recall the HW number now - I'll see if I can somehow get the guy to supply it again - as that motor and DME is now in a racecar.

That dump is probably from my car?? Is it software 0401 or 0301?

[CSLScot]

So will dealers do the latest SMG update if you ask them to (& only if you ask them to?) & do they charge for this service (e.g. if the car ais alreDy in for some other work)?

[Heisenburg]

So will dealers do the latest SMG update if you ask them to (& only if you ask them to?) & do they charge for this service (e.g. if the car ais alreDy in for some other work)?

Yes mate, if you ask them they will put the latest version on. Don't think they do it as matter of course. They charged me 1hrs labour on my last M3, but didn't charge for the CSL when in for a recent Insp II.

Also, just be clear on weather you want the ECU software updated or not. They may do both together. In my case, I didn't want this.

[CSLScot]

Yes mate, if you ask them they will put the latest version on. Don't think they do it as matter of course. They charged me 1hrs labour on my last M3, but didn't charge for the CSL when in for a recent Insp II.

Also, just be clear on weather you want the ECU software updated or not. They may do both together. In my case, I didn't want this.

Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, but what would be the advantages/disadvantages of the latest ECU update?

From what I've read on here, the latest SMG update makes the changes a little slower/smoother & as I don't track my CSL (heresy I know), can't see why I wouldn't want this update.

[Heisenburg]

Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, but what would be the advantages/disadvantages of the latest ECU update?

From what I've read on here, the latest SMG update makes the changes a little slower/smoother & as I don't track my CSL (heresy I know), can't see why I wouldn't want this update.

TBH, not sure what the most recent ECU update offers. Someone else here might know?

Haven't driven the CSL much since, but SMG is definitely smoother. Downshifts seem more on the money. Is also better in traffic...less jerky.

[CSLScot]

Can anyone tell me what the latest version or id is for the ECU software update?

Mine is in at the local dealers & here's the response I got when I asked them to check out updating to the latest ECU & SMG software:

"There is no software update for your car or gearbox. I've been told E46s don't run software."

:banghead:

[NZ_M3]

Can anyone tell me what the latest version or id is for the ECU software update?

Mine is in at the local dealers & here's the response I got when I asked them to check out updating to the latest ECU & SMG software:

"There is no software update for your car or gearbox. I've been told E46s don't run software."

:banghead:

Replied to you via PM but here's the run down.

There's basically two software version for the CSL - the 0301 version which came on all the cars and the update in early 2008?? with the 0401 version.

There are then sub-variants of each which breaks down roughly as follows:

- National Japan version (for their fuel) - option code L807A
- EOBD version
- Data record without EOBD version - option code S861A
- V-max unlimited versions - option code S231A

Each one carries with it its own ZB (part) number which is matched to the hardware variant for the DME.

Here's a screenshot of all the CSL ZB versions on BMW's WINKFP

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/cslsoftwareZB_zpsac70e613.jpg

And here's the screenshot of the BMW parts number system showing which is which (well .. 3 of them at least) - the main ones

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/csldmezb_zpsc8d661bd.jpg

Basically here's what's what - ZB numbers (bracket is software number):

Japan version
- 7837338 (7837339) - v-max unregulated
- 7837336 (7837337) - standard Jap version software

EOBD Variants
- 7837328 (7837329) - standard EOBD version
- 7837330 (7837331) - EOBD v-max unregulated

Data Record without EOBD variants
- 7837332 (7837333) - standard non EOBD version
- 7837334 (7837335) - v-max unregulated

Each of those above are for software 0401.

I haven't bothered looking into 0301 version, but can most definitely do if requested.

[select]

I am still on the very first SMG Software from 2003 but i would like to try out the newer versions.
I already have the latest daten files but i would like to be able to revert back to my old software incase i don't like it.
I know its "just" a matter of finding the old daten files. I might have found the right one but its a complete version weighing in at 8GB which are split in several 700mb parts on a shitty hoster. :bigcry:

I am pretty new to this, so i am asking if theres a different way?
I.e. Export my old SMG software? Or perhaps someone can send me the old daten files? The one i need is 2882611.